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Re: [RFC] capabilities: add capability cgroup controller

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On 06/22/16 17:14, Serge E. Hallyn wrote:
> Quoting Topi Miettinen (toiwoton@gmail.com):
>> On 06/21/16 15:45, Serge E. Hallyn wrote:
>>> Quoting Topi Miettinen (toiwoton@gmail.com):
>>>> On 06/19/16 20:01, serge@hallyn.com wrote:
>>>>> apologies for top posting, this phone doesn't support inline)
>>>>>
>>>>> Where are you preventing less privileged tasks from limiting the caps of a more privileged task?  It looks like you are relying on the cgroupfs for that?
>>>>
>>>> I didn't think that aspect. Some of that could be dealt with by
>>>> preventing tasks which don't have CAP_SETPCAP to make other tasks join
>>>> or set the bounding set. One problem is that the privileges would not be
>>>> checked at cgroup.procs open(2) time but only when writing. In general,
>>>> less privileged tasks should not be able to gain new capabilities even
>>>> if they were somehow able to join the cgroup and also your case must be
>>>> addressed in full.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Overall I'm not a fan of this for several reasons.  Can you tell us precisely what your use case is?
>>>>
>>>> There are two.
>>>>
>>>> 1. Capability use tracking at cgroup level. There is no way to know
>>>> which capabilities have been used and which could be trimmed. With
>>>> cgroup approach, we can also keep track of how subprocesses use
>>>> capabilities. Thus the administrator can quickly get a reasonable
>>>> estimate of a bounding set just by reading the capability.used file.
>>>
>>> So to estimate the privileges needed by an application?  Note this
>>> could also be done with something like systemtap, but that's not as
>>> friendly of course.
>>>
>>
>> I've used systemtap to track how a single process uses capabilities, but
>> I can imagine that without the cgroup, using it to track several
>> subprocesses could be difficult.
>>
>>> Keeping the tracking part separate from enforcement might be worthwhile.
>>> If you wanted to push that part of the patchset, we could keep
>>> discussing the enforcement aspect separately.
>>>
>>
>> OK, I'll prepare the tracking part first.
> 
> So this does still have some security concerns, namely leaking information
> to a less privileged process about what privs a root owned process used.
> That's not on the same level as giving away details about memory mappings,
> but could be an issue.  Kees (cc'd), do you see that as an issue ?
> 
> thanks,
> -serge
> 

Anyone can see the full set of capabilities available to each process
via /proc/pid/status. But should I for example add a new flag
CFTYPE_OWNER_ONLY to limit reading capability.used file to only owner
(root) and use it here?

-Topi

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[RFC] capabilities: add capability cgroup controller Topi Miettinen <toiwoton@gmail.com> - 2016-06-18 21:40 +0200
  Re: [RFC] capabilities: add capability cgroup controller serge@hallyn.com - 2016-06-19 22:10 +0200
    Re: [RFC] capabilities: add capability cgroup controller Topi Miettinen <toiwoton@gmail.com> - 2016-06-20 21:10 +0200
      Re: [RFC] capabilities: add capability cgroup controller "Serge E. Hallyn" <serge@hallyn.com> - 2016-06-21 18:00 +0200
        Re: [RFC] capabilities: add capability cgroup controller Topi Miettinen <toiwoton@gmail.com> - 2016-06-21 23:40 +0200
          Re: [RFC] capabilities: add capability cgroup controller "Serge E. Hallyn" <serge@hallyn.com> - 2016-06-22 00:10 +0200
          Re: [RFC] capabilities: add capability cgroup controller "Serge E. Hallyn" <serge@hallyn.com> - 2016-06-22 19:20 +0200
            Re: [RFC] capabilities: add capability cgroup controller "Serge E. Hallyn" <serge@hallyn.com> - 2016-06-22 20:20 +0200
              Re: [RFC] capabilities: add capability cgroup controller Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org> - 2016-06-23 01:10 +0200
                Re: [RFC] capabilities: add capability cgroup controller "Serge E. Hallyn" <serge@hallyn.com> - 2016-06-23 02:10 +0200
                Re: [RFC] capabilities: add capability cgroup controller Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org> - 2016-06-23 08:00 +0200
                Re: [RFC] capabilities: add capability cgroup controller Topi Miettinen <toiwoton@gmail.com> - 2016-06-23 16:00 +0200
            Re: [RFC] capabilities: add capability cgroup controller Topi Miettinen <toiwoton@gmail.com> - 2016-06-22 20:20 +0200

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