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Re: [PATCH] futex: replace bare barrier() with more lightweight READ_ONCE()

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On Fri, Mar 04, 2016 at 02:38:01PM -0800, Darren Hart wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 04, 2016 at 01:57:20PM -0800, Paul McKenney wrote:
> > On Fri, Mar 04, 2016 at 01:05:24PM -0800, Darren Hart wrote:
> > > On Fri, Mar 04, 2016 at 09:12:31AM +0800, Jianyu Zhan wrote:
> > > > On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 1:05 AM, Darren Hart <dvhart@infradead.org> wrote:
> > > > > I thought I provided a corrected comment block.... maybe I didn't. We have been
> > > > > working on improving the futex documentation, so we're paying close attention to
> > > > > terminology as well as grammar. This one needs a couple minor tweaks. I suggest:
> > > > >
> > > > > /*
> > > > >  * Use READ_ONCE to forbid the compiler from reloading q->lock_ptr and
> > > > >  * optimizing lock_ptr out of the logic below.
> > > > >  */
> > > > >
> > > > > The bit about q->lock_ptr possibly changing is already covered by the large
> > > > > comment block below the spin_lock(lock_ptr) call.
> > > > 
> > > > The large comment block is explaining the why the retry logic is required.
> > > > To achieve this semantic requirement,  the READ_ONCE is needed to prevent
> > > > compiler optimizing it by doing double loads.
> > > > 
> > > > So I think the comment above should explain this tricky part.
> > > 
> > > Fair point. Consider:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > /*
> > >  * q->lock_ptr can change between this read and the following spin_lock.
> > >  * Use READ_ONCE to forbid the compiler from reloading q->lock_ptr and
> > >  * optimizing lock_ptr out of the logic below.
> > >  */
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > > /* Use READ_ONCE to forbid the compiler from reloading q->lock_ptr  in spin_lock()  */
> > > > 
> > > > And as for preventing from optimizing the lock_ptr out of the retry
> > > > code block,  I have consult
> > > > Paul Mckenney,  he suggests one more  READ_ONCE should be added here:
> > > 
> > > Let's keep this discussion together so we have a record of the
> > > justification.
> > > 
> > > +Paul McKenney
> > > 
> > > Paul, my understanding was that spin_lock was a CPU memory barrier,
> > > which in turn is an implicit compiler barrier (aka barrier()), of which
> > > READ_ONCE is described as a weaker form. Reviewing this, I realize the
> > > scope of barrier() wasn't clear to me. It seems while barrier() ensures
> > > ordering, it does not offer the same guarantee regarding reloading that
> > > READ_ONCE offers. So READ_ONCE is not strictly a weaker form of
> > > barrier() as I had gathered from a spotty reading of
> > > memory-barriers.txt, but it also offers guarantees regarding memory
> > > references that barrier() does not.
> > > 
> > > Correct?
> > 
> > If q->lock_ptr is never changed except under that lock, then there is
> > indeed no reason for the ACCESS_ONCE().
> 
> The only location where a q->lock_ptr is updated without that lock being held is
> in queue_lock(). This is safe as the futex_q is not yet queued onto an hb until
> after the lock is held (so unqueue_me() cannot race with queue_lock()).
> 
> > So, is q->lock_ptr ever changed while the lock is -not- held?  If so,
> > I suggest that you put an ACCESS_ONCE() there.
> 
> It is not.

If I followed that correctly, then I agree that you don't need an
ACCESS_ONCE() in this case.

							Thanx, Paul

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Re: [PATCH] futex: replace bare barrier() with more lightweight  READ_ONCE() Darren Hart <dvhart@infradead.org> - 2016-03-04 22:10 +0100
  Re: [PATCH] futex: replace bare barrier() with more lightweight  READ_ONCE() "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com> - 2016-03-04 23:10 +0100
    Re: [PATCH] futex: replace bare barrier() with more lightweight  READ_ONCE() Darren Hart <dvhart@infradead.org> - 2016-03-04 23:40 +0100
      Re: [PATCH] futex: replace bare barrier() with more lightweight  READ_ONCE() "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com> - 2016-03-04 23:50 +0100
        Re: [PATCH] futex: replace bare barrier() with more lightweight  READ_ONCE() Darren Hart <dvhart@infradead.org> - 2016-03-05 00:00 +0100
  [PATCH v3] futex: replace bare barrier() with more lightweight READ_ONCE() Jianyu Zhan <nasa4836@gmail.com> - 2016-03-07 02:40 +0100
    Re: [PATCH v3] futex: replace bare barrier() with more lightweight  READ_ONCE() Darren Hart <dvhart@infradead.org> - 2016-03-08 12:30 +0100
    [tip:locking/core] futex: Replace barrier() in unqueue_me() with  READ_ONCE() tip-bot for Jianyu Zhan <tipbot@zytor.com> - 2016-03-08 17:20 +0100

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