Re: [RFC PATCH] PM / Runtime: runtime: Add sysfs option for forcing runtime suspend

From	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net>
Newsgroups	linux.kernel
Subject	Re: [RFC PATCH] PM / Runtime: runtime: Add sysfs option for forcing runtime suspend
Date	2015-09-26 00:40 +0200
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On Friday, September 25, 2015 11:52:23 PM Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
> On Friday, September 25, 2015 05:13:04 PM Alan Stern wrote:
> > On Fri, 25 Sep 2015, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
> > 
> > > On Friday, September 25, 2015 10:29:55 AM Alan Stern wrote:
> > > > On Fri, 25 Sep 2015, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > We are missing the "no remote wakeup" bit now (well, there is a PM QoS flag,
> > > > > but it isn't very useful, so I'd prefer to replace it with a "no remote wakeup"
> > > > > bit in struct dev_pm_info or something similar).
> > > > > 
> > > > > That is actually quite important, because (a) we can save energy but not
> > > > > configuring the device to do remote wakeup in the first place and (b) that
> > > > > may involve more than just the driver (for example, disabling PCI or ACPI
> > > > > remote wakeup involves the bus type or similar).
> > > > > 
> > > > > So it looks like we need to be able to distinguish between "runtime suspend
> > > > > with remote wakeup" and "runtime suspend without remote wakeup".
> > > > > 
> > > > > And if we do the latter, we may not even need the "inhibit" thing any more,
> > > > > because suspended devices without that are not configured to do remote wakeup
> > > > > cannot really signal anything in the majority of cases.
> > > > 
> > > > That works only for drivers that use autosuspend to go to low power in
> > > > between events.  It doesn't work for drivers that remain at full power 
> > > > as long as the device file is open.  That kind of driver does require 
> > > > an "inhibit" interface.
> > > 
> > > Or an interface allowing user space to trigger pm_request_idle() for them.
> > > 
> > > So user space would change the "no remote wakeup" setting and then do the
> > > "try to suspend now" thing.
> > 
> > So something like:
> > 
> > 	echo on >/sys/.../power/control  (in case the device was
> > 			already in runtime suspend with wakeups enabled)
> > 	echo off >/sys/.../power/wakeup
> > 	echo auto >/sys/.../power/control
> 
> That, or there may be an additional value, say "aggressive", to write to the
> control file in which case it becomes just
> 
> echo aggressive >/sys/.../power/control

That said I suppose that the "off" value for the "wakeup" file might also be
useful in some other cases, so it likely is a better approach.

Thanks,
Rafael

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Re: [RFC PATCH] PM / Runtime: runtime: Add sysfs option for forcing  runtime suspend Oliver Neukum <oneukum@suse.com> - 2015-09-22 14:10 +0200
  Re: [RFC PATCH] PM / Runtime: runtime: Add sysfs option for forcing  runtime suspend Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu> - 2015-09-22 16:20 +0200
    Re: [RFC PATCH] PM / Runtime: runtime: Add sysfs option for forcing  runtime suspend Oliver Neukum <oneukum@suse.de> - 2015-09-22 16:40 +0200
      Re: [RFC PATCH] PM / Runtime: runtime: Add sysfs option for forcing  runtime suspend Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu> - 2015-09-22 17:30 +0200
        Re: [RFC PATCH] PM / Runtime: runtime: Add sysfs option for forcing  runtime suspend Oliver Neukum <oneukum@suse.de> - 2015-09-23 05:10 +0200
          Re: [RFC PATCH] PM / Runtime: runtime: Add sysfs option for forcing  runtime suspend Octavian Purdila <octavian.purdila@intel.com> - 2015-09-23 09:30 +0200
          Re: [RFC PATCH] PM / Runtime: runtime: Add sysfs option for forcing  runtime suspend Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu> - 2015-09-23 17:00 +0200
            Re: [RFC PATCH] PM / Runtime: runtime: Add sysfs option for forcing runtime suspend "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net> - 2015-09-25 02:20 +0200
              Re: [RFC PATCH] PM / Runtime: runtime: Add sysfs option for forcing  runtime suspend Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu> - 2015-09-25 16:40 +0200
                Re: [RFC PATCH] PM / Runtime: runtime: Add sysfs option for forcing runtime suspend "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net> - 2015-09-25 21:50 +0200
                Re: [RFC PATCH] PM / Runtime: runtime: Add sysfs option for forcing  runtime suspend Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu> - 2015-09-25 23:20 +0200
                Re: [RFC PATCH] PM / Runtime: runtime: Add sysfs option for forcing runtime suspend "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net> - 2015-09-25 23:30 +0200
                Re: [RFC PATCH] PM / Runtime: runtime: Add sysfs option for forcing runtime suspend "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net> - 2015-09-26 00:40 +0200
                Re: [RFC PATCH] PM / Runtime: runtime: Add sysfs option for forcing  runtime suspend Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu> - 2015-09-26 17:30 +0200
                Re: [RFC PATCH] PM / Runtime: runtime: Add sysfs option for forcing runtime suspend "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net> - 2015-09-27 15:20 +0200
                Re: [RFC PATCH] PM / Runtime: runtime: Add sysfs option for forcing  runtime suspend Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu> - 2015-09-27 16:30 +0200
                Re: [RFC PATCH] PM / Runtime: runtime: Add sysfs option for forcing runtime suspend "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net> - 2015-09-28 15:20 +0200
                Re: [RFC PATCH] PM / Runtime: runtime: Add sysfs option for forcing  runtime suspend Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu> - 2015-09-28 16:30 +0200
                Re: [RFC PATCH] PM / Runtime: runtime: Add sysfs option for forcing  runtime suspend "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael@kernel.org> - 2015-09-28 22:10 +0200
                Re: [RFC PATCH] PM / Runtime: runtime: Add sysfs option for forcing  runtime suspend Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu> - 2015-09-28 22:30 +0200
                Re: [RFC PATCH] PM / Runtime: runtime: Add sysfs option for forcing  runtime suspend Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz> - 2015-10-04 17:20 +0200
                Re: [RFC PATCH] PM / Runtime: runtime: Add sysfs option for forcing  runtime suspend Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz> - 2015-09-27 19:10 +0200
                Re: [RFC PATCH] PM / Runtime: runtime: Add sysfs option for forcing runtime suspend "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net> - 2015-09-28 15:20 +0200

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