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Re: [PATCH] driver core: Ensure proper suspend/resume ordering

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Hi,

On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 10:51 AM, Thierry Reding
<thierry.reding@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, Sep 19, 2015 at 01:07:56AM +0200, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
>> On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 5:55 PM, Thierry Reding <thierry.reding@gmail.com> wrote:
> [...]
>> > Of course there's still the matter of some types of devices physically
>> > disappearing (USB, PCI, ...).
>>
>> Right.  In some cases removal is simply necessary as part of the
>> cleanup, like after a surprise hot-unplug of a device, for example.
>> In those cases everything that depended on the device that went away
>> should be unbound from drivers at least IMO.
>
> Agreed.
>
>> > Force-removing drivers that depend on a device that's being unbound
>> > would be a possibility to solve the problem where consumers depend on a
>> > device that could physically go away. It might also be the right thing
>> > to do in any case. Presumably somebody unloading a module want to do
>> > just that, and refusing to do so isn't playing very nice. Of course
>> > allowing random modules to be removed even if a lot of consumers might
>> > depend on it may not be friendly either. Consider if you unload a GPIO
>> > driver that provides a pin that's used to enable power to an eMMC that
>> > might have the root filesystem.
>> >
>> > Then again, if you unload a module you better know what you're doing
>> > anyway, so maybe that's not something we need to be concerned about.
>>
>> I think that it's better to fail module unloads in such cases by
>> default (to prevent simple silly mistakes from having possibly severe
>> consequences), but if a "force" option is used, we should regard that
>> as "the user really means it" and do as requested.  That would be very
>> much analogous to the hot-unplug situation from the software
>> perspective.
>
> Sounds very reasonable to me.
>
>> > I think this would also tie in nicely with Tomeu's patch set to do
>> > on-demand probing. Essentially a [dev_]*_get() call could in turn call
>> > this new "declare dependency" API, and the new API could underneath do
>> > on-demand probing.
>> >
>> > Given that this isn't a strictly PM mechanism anymore, perhaps something
>> > like:
>> >
>> >         int device_depend(struct device *dev, struct device *target);
>> >
>> > would be a more generic option.
>>
>> I thought about something like link_device(dev, target, flags), where
>> the last argument would indicate what the core is supposed to use the
>> link for (removal handling, system suspend/resume, runtime PM etc).
>
> Sounds good to me. I think the core isn't quite consistent on the naming
> of functions, so we have things like device_register/unregister() versus
> get/put_device(). I'd lean towards device_link(dev, target, flags), but
> I'll go with any color you'd like the shed to have.

Well, whatever.

n any case it would be good to have "link" and "device" in the name,
regardless of the ordering. :-)

>> And I agree that this isn't really PM-specific.
>>
>> OK, thanks a lot for the feedback!
>>
>> Let me think about that a bit more and I'll try to come up with a more
>> detailed design description.
>
> This sounds like it's not going to make it into v4.3 anymore, so I'll
> need to think about the easiest way to (temporarily) fix up the current
> regression.
>
> Is this something that you will have time to implement yourself? If so,
> please keep me in the loop and Cc me on any patches that you need
> tested. If you're short on time, let me know as well and I'll see if I
> can take a stab at it myself, though I'm pretty sure I'll need further
> guidance along the way.

I'd like to try to do that myself, but that'll take some time.  I hope
this isn't a problem.

Given the time frame it should be doable for v4.4 in theory.

Thanks,
Rafael
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[PATCH] driver core: Ensure proper suspend/resume ordering Thierry Reding <thierry.reding@gmail.com> - 2015-09-10 12:20 +0200
  Re: [PATCH] driver core: Ensure proper suspend/resume ordering Grygorii Strashko <grygorii.strashko@ti.com> - 2015-09-10 13:00 +0200
  Re: [PATCH] driver core: Ensure proper suspend/resume ordering "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net> - 2015-09-10 23:50 +0200
    Re: [PATCH] driver core: Ensure proper suspend/resume ordering Thierry Reding <thierry.reding@gmail.com> - 2015-09-11 14:10 +0200
      Re: [PATCH] driver core: Ensure proper suspend/resume ordering Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu> - 2015-09-11 21:10 +0200
        Re: [PATCH] driver core: Ensure proper suspend/resume ordering "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net> - 2015-09-12 00:10 +0200
          Re: [PATCH] driver core: Ensure proper suspend/resume ordering Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu> - 2015-09-12 19:50 +0200
            Re: [PATCH] driver core: Ensure proper suspend/resume ordering "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael@kernel.org> - 2015-09-15 02:50 +0200
              Re: [PATCH] driver core: Ensure proper suspend/resume ordering Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu> - 2015-09-15 16:30 +0200
                Re: [PATCH] driver core: Ensure proper suspend/resume ordering "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net> - 2015-09-16 02:40 +0200
          Re: [PATCH] driver core: Ensure proper suspend/resume ordering Grygorii Strashko <grygorii.strashko@ti.com> - 2015-09-16 15:50 +0200
            Re: [PATCH] driver core: Ensure proper suspend/resume ordering Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu> - 2015-09-16 21:30 +0200
              Re: [PATCH] driver core: Ensure proper suspend/resume ordering "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net> - 2015-09-17 01:40 +0200
                Re: [PATCH] driver core: Ensure proper suspend/resume ordering Grygorii Strashko <grygorii.strashko@ti.com> - 2015-09-17 17:50 +0200
                Re: [PATCH] driver core: Ensure proper suspend/resume ordering "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael@kernel.org> - 2015-09-18 02:00 +0200
                Re: [PATCH] driver core: Ensure proper suspend/resume ordering "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael@kernel.org> - 2015-09-18 02:10 +0200
                Re: [PATCH] driver core: Ensure proper suspend/resume ordering Grygorii Strashko <grygorii.strashko@ti.com> - 2015-10-01 20:20 +0200
        Re: [PATCH] driver core: Ensure proper suspend/resume ordering Thierry Reding <thierry.reding@gmail.com> - 2015-09-15 18:20 +0200
          Re: [PATCH] driver core: Ensure proper suspend/resume ordering Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu> - 2015-09-15 21:20 +0200
            Re: [PATCH] driver core: Ensure proper suspend/resume ordering "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net> - 2015-09-16 03:10 +0200
              Re: [PATCH] driver core: Ensure proper suspend/resume ordering Grygorii Strashko <grygorii.strashko@ti.com> - 2015-09-16 15:40 +0200
                Re: [PATCH] driver core: Ensure proper suspend/resume ordering Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu> - 2015-09-16 19:00 +0200
              Re: [PATCH] driver core: Ensure proper suspend/resume ordering Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu> - 2015-09-16 19:10 +0200
            Re: [PATCH] driver core: Ensure proper suspend/resume ordering Thierry Reding <thierry.reding@gmail.com> - 2015-09-16 15:20 +0200
              Re: [PATCH] driver core: Ensure proper suspend/resume ordering Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu> - 2015-09-16 21:30 +0200
                Re: [PATCH] driver core: Ensure proper suspend/resume ordering "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net> - 2015-09-17 02:00 +0200
                Re: [PATCH] driver core: Ensure proper suspend/resume ordering "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael@kernel.org> - 2015-09-17 04:10 +0200
                Re: [PATCH] driver core: Ensure proper suspend/resume ordering Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu> - 2015-09-17 19:10 +0200
                Re: [PATCH] driver core: Ensure proper suspend/resume ordering "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael@kernel.org> - 2015-09-17 20:50 +0200
                Re: [PATCH] driver core: Ensure proper suspend/resume ordering Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu> - 2015-09-17 23:10 +0200
                Re: [PATCH] driver core: Ensure proper suspend/resume ordering "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael@kernel.org> - 2015-09-18 02:20 +0200
                Re: [PATCH] driver core: Ensure proper suspend/resume ordering Thierry Reding <thierry.reding@gmail.com> - 2015-09-18 18:00 +0200
                Re: [PATCH] driver core: Ensure proper suspend/resume ordering "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael@kernel.org> - 2015-09-19 01:10 +0200
                Re: [PATCH] driver core: Ensure proper suspend/resume ordering Thierry Reding <thierry.reding@gmail.com> - 2015-09-21 11:00 +0200
                Re: [PATCH] driver core: Ensure proper suspend/resume ordering Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu> - 2015-09-21 16:40 +0200
                Re: [PATCH] driver core: Ensure proper suspend/resume ordering "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net> - 2015-09-22 02:00 +0200
                Re: [PATCH] driver core: Ensure proper suspend/resume ordering Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu> - 2015-09-22 03:30 +0200
                Re: [PATCH] driver core: Ensure proper suspend/resume ordering "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael@kernel.org> - 2015-09-22 02:40 +0200
                Re: [PATCH] driver core: Ensure proper suspend/resume ordering Tomeu Vizoso <tomeu.vizoso@collabora.com> - 2015-09-17 07:50 +0200
                Re: [PATCH] driver core: Ensure proper suspend/resume ordering "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael@kernel.org> - 2015-09-17 20:20 +0200
                Re: [PATCH] driver core: Ensure proper suspend/resume ordering Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu> - 2015-09-17 21:30 +0200
      Re: [PATCH] driver core: Ensure proper suspend/resume ordering "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net> - 2015-09-12 00:20 +0200
        Re: [PATCH] driver core: Ensure proper suspend/resume ordering Thierry Reding <thierry.reding@gmail.com> - 2015-09-15 18:00 +0200
          Re: [PATCH] driver core: Ensure proper suspend/resume ordering "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net> - 2015-09-16 03:00 +0200
            Re: [PATCH] driver core: Ensure proper suspend/resume ordering Grygorii Strashko <grygorii.strashko@ti.com> - 2015-09-16 15:40 +0200
              Re: [PATCH] driver core: Ensure proper suspend/resume ordering "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net> - 2015-09-17 02:30 +0200
    Re: [PATCH] driver core: Ensure proper suspend/resume ordering Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu> - 2015-09-11 16:10 +0200

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