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Re: [PATCH v2] netlink: Replace rhash_portid with bound

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On Tue, Sep 22, 2015 at 9:10 AM, Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org> wrote:
>
> That's a pentium pro era errata.  Virtually no working machine is
> affected by that anymore and nobody builds kernel with that option.
> In most cases, store_release and load_acquire are cheaper as they're
> more specific.  On x86, store_release and load_acquire boil down to
> compiler reordering barriers.  You're running in the opposite
> direction.

Well, to be fair, there are lots of machines where acquire/release is
actually quite expensive.

In general, the cheapest barrier there is (apart from the "no barrier
at all" or just "compiler barrier") is "smp_wmb()".  If an
architecture gets that one wrong, the architects were f*cking morons.
It should be a fundamentally cheap operation, since writes are
buffered and it should simply be a buffer barrier.

The acquire/release things are generally fairly cheap on modern
architectures. Not free (except on x86), but fairly low-cost. HOWEVER,
they are not at all free on some older architectures, including 32-bit
ARM.

smp_rmb() should generally be about the same cost as an acquire. It
can go either way.

So *if* the algorithm is amenable to smp_wmb()/smp_rmb() kind of
barriers, that's actually quite possibly better than acquire/release.

smp_mb() is expensive pretty much everywhere.

Looking forward, I suspect long-term acquire/release is what hardware
is going to be "reasonably good at", but as things are right now, you
can't necessarily rely on them being fast.

                   Linus
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Re: [PATCH v2] netlink: Replace rhash_portid with bound Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org> - 2015-09-22 18:20 +0200
  Re: [PATCH v2] netlink: Replace rhash_portid with bound Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> - 2015-09-22 20:50 +0200
    Re: [PATCH v2] netlink: Replace rhash_portid with bound Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org> - 2015-09-22 21:00 +0200
      Re: [PATCH v2] netlink: Replace rhash_portid with bound Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> - 2015-09-22 21:30 +0200
        Re: [PATCH v2] netlink: Replace rhash_portid with bound Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org> - 2015-09-22 22:00 +0200
          Re: [PATCH v2] netlink: Replace rhash_portid with bound Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> - 2015-09-22 22:10 +0200
            Re: [PATCH v2] netlink: Replace rhash_portid with bound Bjørn Mork <bjorn@mork.no> - 2015-09-22 22:50 +0200
              Re: [PATCH v2] netlink: Replace rhash_portid with bound Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> - 2015-09-22 23:10 +0200
  Re: [PATCH v2] netlink: Replace rhash_portid with bound Herbert Xu <herbert@gondor.apana.org.au> - 2015-09-23 08:20 +0200
    Re: [PATCH v2] netlink: Replace rhash_portid with bound Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org> - 2015-09-23 18:00 +0200
      Re: [PATCH v2] netlink: Replace rhash_portid with bound Herbert Xu <herbert@gondor.apana.org.au> - 2015-09-24 04:40 +0200
        Re: [PATCH v2] netlink: Replace rhash_portid with bound Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org> - 2015-09-24 04:50 +0200
          Re: [PATCH v2] netlink: Replace rhash_portid with bound Herbert Xu <herbert@gondor.apana.org.au> - 2015-09-24 05:00 +0200
            Re: [PATCH v2] netlink: Replace rhash_portid with bound Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org> - 2015-09-24 05:10 +0200
              Re: [PATCH v2] netlink: Replace rhash_portid with bound Herbert Xu <herbert@gondor.apana.org.au> - 2015-09-24 05:30 +0200
                Re: [PATCH v2] netlink: Replace rhash_portid with bound Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org> - 2015-09-24 05:30 +0200
                Re: [PATCH v2] netlink: Replace rhash_portid with bound Herbert Xu <herbert@gondor.apana.org.au> - 2015-09-24 05:40 +0200
                Re: [PATCH v2] netlink: Replace rhash_portid with bound Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org> - 2015-09-24 05:50 +0200
                Re: [PATCH v2] netlink: Replace rhash_portid with bound Herbert Xu <herbert@gondor.apana.org.au> - 2015-09-24 05:50 +0200
                Re: [PATCH v2] netlink: Replace rhash_portid with bound Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org> - 2015-09-24 05:50 +0200
                Re: [PATCH v2] netlink: Replace rhash_portid with bound Herbert Xu <herbert@gondor.apana.org.au> - 2015-09-24 05:50 +0200

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