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Re: First kernel patch (optimization)

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On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 10:26:24PM -0400, Theodore Ts'o wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 12:42:48AM -0700, Greg KH wrote:
>
> Rather, what concerns me is that we aren't pushing people to go
> *beyond* cleanup patches.  We have lots of tutorials about how to
> create perfectly formed patches; but we don't seem to have patches
> about how to do proper benchmarking.  Or how to check system call and
> ioctl interfaces to make sure the code is doing appropriate input
> checking.  So I don't want to pre-reject these people; but to rather
> push them and to help them to try their hand at more substantive work.
> 
> What surprises me is the apparent assumption that people need a huge
> amount of hand-holding on how to properly form a patch, but that
> people will be able to figure out how to do proper benchmarking, or
> design proper abstractions, etc., as skills that will magically appear
> full-formed into the new kernel programmer's mind without any help or
> work on our part.
Reading Ted's earlier mail I was thinking since I don't have some of the
skills mentioned, maybe I am in wrong place. But what Ted said now is
almost the same what I said in the Ksummit discussion about recruitment.
I will copy-paste here for reference:
"In my opinion the main problem is lack of direction or guidance. As a 
newbie I send my first patch, it gets accepted, I have a party to
celebrate and do more style correction and few more patches are accepted.
But by that time I am getting bored with just style correction and want
to do something more.
Now the problem starts. No one is there to guide me and I as a newbie
will not be that much capable enough to find things to do on my own. And
I start loosing the interest. Newbies who are coming from Eudyptula or
starting on their own will face this. But on the otherhand participants
of Outreachy will get a Mentor to guide them and gets a stipend to keep
them motivated. Stipend may not matter to the right candidate who has
interest but having a mentor is the big difference."

This is from my own experience as I have gone through that time phrase.
But now after one year I know there are numerous things to do. But still
I don't have some of the skills Ted mentioned.

I know I will get the skills which I don't have now but since I am on my
own that will be a time consuming process. Even more time consuming as
this is not part of my dayjob. But if I had a mentor/guide who could
have given some hint the process might have been much much faster.

regards
sudip

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First kernel patch (optimization) Eric Curtin <ericcurtin17@gmail.com> - 2015-09-15 22:00 +0200
  Re: First kernel patch (optimization) Felipe Balbi <balbi@ti.com> - 2015-09-15 22:20 +0200
  Re: First kernel patch (optimization) Steve Calfee <stevecalfee@gmail.com> - 2015-09-16 02:10 +0200
    Re: First kernel patch (optimization) Austin S Hemmelgarn <ahferroin7@gmail.com> - 2015-09-16 13:50 +0200
      RE: First kernel patch (optimization) David Laight <David.Laight@ACULAB.COM> - 2015-09-16 15:00 +0200
        Re: First kernel patch (optimization) Jaime Arrocha <jarr@innercoder.com> - 2015-09-17 04:10 +0200
          RE: First kernel patch (optimization) David Laight <David.Laight@ACULAB.COM> - 2015-09-17 10:50 +0200
      Re: First kernel patch (optimization) Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org> - 2015-09-16 15:40 +0200
        Re: First kernel patch (optimization) Eric Curtin <ericcurtin17@gmail.com> - 2015-09-16 18:10 +0200
          Re: First kernel patch (optimization) Theodore Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu> - 2015-09-16 18:50 +0200
            Re: First kernel patch (optimization) Raymond Jennings <shentino@gmail.com> - 2015-09-16 19:30 +0200
            Re: First kernel patch (optimization) Josh Boyer <jwboyer@fedoraproject.org> - 2015-09-16 19:30 +0200
              Re: First kernel patch (optimization) Theodore Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu> - 2015-09-18 05:20 +0200
                Re: First kernel patch (optimization) Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org> - 2015-09-18 09:50 +0200
                Re: First kernel patch (optimization) Raymond Jennings <shentino@gmail.com> - 2015-09-18 11:40 +0200
                Re: First kernel patch (optimization) Austin S Hemmelgarn <ahferroin7@gmail.com> - 2015-09-18 21:10 +0200
                Re: First kernel patch (optimization) Theodore Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu> - 2015-09-19 04:30 +0200
                Re: First kernel patch (optimization) Sudip Mukherjee <sudipm.mukherjee@gmail.com> - 2015-09-19 06:30 +0200
                Re: First kernel patch (optimization) Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org> - 2015-09-19 07:20 +0200
                Re: First kernel patch (optimization) Theodore Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu> - 2015-09-19 14:30 +0200
                Re: First kernel patch (optimization) Alexander Holler <holler@ahsoftware.de> - 2015-09-19 15:00 +0200
                Re: First kernel patch (optimization) Alexander Holler <holler@ahsoftware.de> - 2015-09-19 16:20 +0200
                Re: First kernel patch (optimization) Theodore Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu> - 2015-09-19 16:30 +0200
                Re: First kernel patch (optimization) Alexander Holler <holler@ahsoftware.de> - 2015-09-19 19:50 +0200
                Re: First kernel patch (optimization) Theodore Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu> - 2015-09-20 04:30 +0200
                Re: First kernel patch (optimization) Alexander Holler <holler@ahsoftware.de> - 2015-09-20 12:50 +0200
                Re: First kernel patch (optimization) Austin S Hemmelgarn <ahferroin7@gmail.com> - 2015-09-21 17:50 +0200
                Re: First kernel patch (optimization) Alexander Holler <holler@ahsoftware.de> - 2015-09-21 19:30 +0200
                Re: First kernel patch (optimization) Alexander Holler <holler@ahsoftware.de> - 2015-09-21 20:50 +0200
          Re: First kernel patch (optimization) Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org> - 2015-09-16 22:10 +0200
            Re: First kernel patch (optimization) Eric Curtin <ericcurtin17@gmail.com> - 2015-09-16 22:30 +0200
              Re: First kernel patch (optimization) Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org> - 2015-09-17 00:40 +0200

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