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Re: [PATCH 1/7] mm: memcontrol: charge swap to cgroup2

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On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 04:30:37PM +0100, Michal Hocko wrote:
> On Thu 10-12-15 14:39:14, Vladimir Davydov wrote:
> > In the legacy hierarchy we charge memsw, which is dubious, because:
> > 
> >  - memsw.limit must be >= memory.limit, so it is impossible to limit
> >    swap usage less than memory usage. Taking into account the fact that
> >    the primary limiting mechanism in the unified hierarchy is
> >    memory.high while memory.limit is either left unset or set to a very
> >    large value, moving memsw.limit knob to the unified hierarchy would
> >    effectively make it impossible to limit swap usage according to the
> >    user preference.
> > 
> >  - memsw.usage != memory.usage + swap.usage, because a page occupying
> >    both swap entry and a swap cache page is charged only once to memsw
> >    counter. As a result, it is possible to effectively eat up to
> >    memory.limit of memory pages *and* memsw.limit of swap entries, which
> >    looks unexpected.
> > 
> > That said, we should provide a different swap limiting mechanism for
> > cgroup2.
> > This patch adds mem_cgroup->swap counter, which charges the actual
> > number of swap entries used by a cgroup. It is only charged in the
> > unified hierarchy, while the legacy hierarchy memsw logic is left
> > intact.
> 
> I agree that the previous semantic was awkward. The problem I can see
> with this approach is that once the swap limit is reached the anon
> memory pressure might spill over to other and unrelated memcgs during
> the global memory pressure. I guess this is what Kame referred to as
> anon would become mlocked basically. This would be even more of an issue
> with resource delegation to sub-hierarchies because nobody will prevent
> setting the swap amount to a small value and use that as an anon memory
> protection.

Overcommitting untrusted workloads is already problematic because
reclaim is based on heuristics and references, and a malicious
workload can already interfere with it and create pressure on the
system or its neighboring groups. This patch doesn't make it better,
but it's not a new problem.

If you don't trust subhierarchies, don't give them more memory than
you can handle them taking. And then giving them swap is a resource
for them to use on top of that memory, not for you at the toplevel.
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Re: [PATCH 1/7] mm: memcontrol: charge swap to cgroup2 Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org> - 2015-12-14 16:40 +0100
  Re: [PATCH 1/7] mm: memcontrol: charge swap to cgroup2 Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org> - 2015-12-14 16:50 +0100
  Re: [PATCH 1/7] mm: memcontrol: charge swap to cgroup2 Vladimir Davydov <vdavydov@virtuozzo.com> - 2015-12-14 20:50 +0100
    Re: [PATCH 1/7] mm: memcontrol: charge swap to cgroup2 One Thousand Gnomes <gnomes@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk> - 2015-12-14 21:00 +0100
    Re: [PATCH 1/7] mm: memcontrol: charge swap to cgroup2 Kamezawa Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com> - 2015-12-15 04:30 +0100
      Re: [PATCH 1/7] mm: memcontrol: charge swap to cgroup2 Vladimir Davydov <vdavydov@virtuozzo.com> - 2015-12-15 12:10 +0100
        Re: [PATCH 1/7] mm: memcontrol: charge swap to cgroup2 Kamezawa Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com> - 2015-12-16 03:50 +0100
      Re: [PATCH 1/7] mm: memcontrol: charge swap to cgroup2 Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org> - 2015-12-15 16:00 +0100
        Re: [PATCH 1/7] mm: memcontrol: charge swap to cgroup2 Kamezawa Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com> - 2015-12-16 04:20 +0100
          Re: [PATCH 1/7] mm: memcontrol: charge swap to cgroup2 Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org> - 2015-12-16 12:10 +0100
            Re: [PATCH 1/7] mm: memcontrol: charge swap to cgroup2 Kamezawa Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com> - 2015-12-17 03:50 +0100
              Re: [PATCH 1/7] mm: memcontrol: charge swap to cgroup2 Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org> - 2015-12-17 04:40 +0100
                Re: [PATCH 1/7] mm: memcontrol: charge swap to cgroup2 Kamezawa Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com> - 2015-12-17 05:40 +0100
    Re: [PATCH 1/7] mm: memcontrol: charge swap to cgroup2 Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org> - 2015-12-15 18:30 +0100
      Re: [PATCH 1/7] mm: memcontrol: charge swap to cgroup2 Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org> - 2015-12-15 21:30 +0100
      Re: [PATCH 1/7] mm: memcontrol: charge swap to cgroup2 Kamezawa Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com> - 2015-12-16 05:00 +0100
  Re: [PATCH 1/7] mm: memcontrol: charge swap to cgroup2 Kamezawa Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com> - 2015-12-15 04:30 +0100
    Re: [PATCH 1/7] mm: memcontrol: charge swap to cgroup2 Vladimir Davydov <vdavydov@virtuozzo.com> - 2015-12-15 09:40 +0100
      Re: [PATCH 1/7] mm: memcontrol: charge swap to cgroup2 Kamezawa Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com> - 2015-12-15 10:40 +0100

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