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Re: [RFC PATCH] PM / Runtime: runtime: Add sysfs option for forcing runtime suspend

From "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net>
Newsgroups linux.kernel
Subject Re: [RFC PATCH] PM / Runtime: runtime: Add sysfs option for forcing runtime suspend
Date 2015-09-08 16:50 +0200
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On Tuesday, September 08, 2015 10:44:04 AM Alan Stern wrote:
> On Tue, 8 Sep 2015, Tirdea, Irina wrote:
> 
> > In the previous discussion thread , there were a couple of options
> > mentioned, but none seemed to reach a consensus. You mentioned
> > adding a "more aggressive runtime PM mode" [1]. I'm not sure how
> > this would work except for adding a sysfs attribute that would trigger
> > a runtime suspend while ignoring usage count. Would that be a
> > better direction?
> > 
> > Thank you,
> > Irina
> > 
> > [1] http://marc.info/?l=linux-input&m=140564626306396&w=2
> 
> Purely as a matter of interest, in that email Rafael also mentioned
> that he and I had discussed a way to disable remote wakeup during 
> runtime suspend.  Oddly enough, the method we decided upon was to add 
> an "off" option to /sys/.../power/control.  :-)

Wasn't that /sys/devices/.../power/wakeup rather?

> It would not put the device into runtime suspend immediately, like you
> are proposing.  Instead it would mean the same as the "auto" mode,
> except that remote wakeup should be disabled during runtime suspend.
> 
> We never got around to implementing this, however.

I don't think this is what we discussed then really.

There is a fundamental problem with forcing things into runtime suspend
from user space, because that may happen in a wrong time.  In other words,
the kernel can't guarantee that the device would actually be able to go
into runtime suspend when requested.

Thanks,
Rafael

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[RFC PATCH] PM / Runtime: runtime: Add sysfs option for forcing runtime suspend Irina Tirdea <irina.tirdea@intel.com> - 2015-09-07 22:50 +0200
  Re: [RFC PATCH] PM / Runtime: runtime: Add sysfs option for forcing runtime suspend "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net> - 2015-09-07 23:00 +0200
    RE: [RFC PATCH] PM / Runtime: runtime: Add sysfs option for forcing  runtime suspend "Tirdea, Irina" <irina.tirdea@intel.com> - 2015-09-08 03:20 +0200
      Re: [RFC PATCH] PM / Runtime: runtime: Add sysfs option for forcing  runtime suspend Oliver Neukum <oneukum@suse.com> - 2015-09-08 09:40 +0200
        Re: [RFC PATCH] PM / Runtime: runtime: Add sysfs option for forcing  runtime suspend "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael@kernel.org> - 2015-09-08 23:00 +0200
          Re: [RFC PATCH] PM / Runtime: runtime: Add sysfs option for forcing  runtime suspend Ulf Hansson <ulf.hansson@linaro.org> - 2015-09-09 00:30 +0200
            Re: [RFC PATCH] PM / Runtime: runtime: Add sysfs option for forcing  runtime suspend "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael@kernel.org> - 2015-09-09 02:00 +0200
              Re: [RFC PATCH] PM / Runtime: runtime: Add sysfs option for forcing  runtime suspend Octavian Purdila <octavian.purdila@intel.com> - 2015-09-09 13:20 +0200
                Re: [RFC PATCH] PM / Runtime: runtime: Add sysfs option for forcing  runtime suspend "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael@kernel.org> - 2015-09-09 14:30 +0200
                Re: [RFC PATCH] PM / Runtime: runtime: Add sysfs option for forcing  runtime suspend Oliver Neukum <oneukum@suse.com> - 2015-09-09 16:00 +0200
                Re: [RFC PATCH] PM / Runtime: runtime: Add sysfs option for forcing  runtime suspend Octavian Purdila <octavian.purdila@intel.com> - 2015-09-09 17:10 +0200
                Re: [RFC PATCH] PM / Runtime: runtime: Add sysfs option for forcing runtime suspend "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net> - 2015-09-09 22:00 +0200
                Re: [RFC PATCH] PM / Runtime: runtime: Add sysfs option for forcing  runtime suspend Oliver Neukum <oneukum@suse.com> - 2015-09-10 11:50 +0200
                Re: [RFC PATCH] PM / Runtime: runtime: Add sysfs option for forcing  runtime suspend Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz> - 2015-09-21 14:30 +0200
                Re: [RFC PATCH] PM / Runtime: runtime: Add sysfs option for forcing  runtime suspend Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu> - 2015-09-09 17:30 +0200
                Re: [RFC PATCH] PM / Runtime: runtime: Add sysfs option for forcing runtime suspend "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net> - 2015-09-09 22:10 +0200
                Re: [RFC PATCH] PM / Runtime: runtime: Add sysfs option for forcing  runtime suspend Colin Cross <ccross@google.com> - 2015-09-09 22:20 +0200
                Re: [RFC PATCH] PM / Runtime: runtime: Add sysfs option for forcing  runtime suspend Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz> - 2015-09-21 14:40 +0200
                Re: [RFC PATCH] PM / Runtime: runtime: Add sysfs option for forcing  runtime suspend Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu> - 2015-09-21 16:40 +0200
                Re: [RFC PATCH] PM / Runtime: runtime: Add sysfs option for forcing  runtime suspend Dmitry Torokhov <dmitry.torokhov@gmail.com> - 2015-09-21 18:20 +0200
                Re: [RFC PATCH] PM / Runtime: runtime: Add sysfs option for forcing  runtime suspend Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu> - 2015-09-21 18:40 +0200
                Re: [RFC PATCH] PM / Runtime: runtime: Add sysfs option for forcing  runtime suspend Dmitry Torokhov <dmitry.torokhov@gmail.com> - 2015-09-21 19:00 +0200
                Re: [RFC PATCH] PM / Runtime: runtime: Add sysfs option for forcing  runtime suspend Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu> - 2015-09-21 19:40 +0200
                Re: [RFC PATCH] PM / Runtime: runtime: Add sysfs option for forcing  runtime suspend Dmitry Torokhov <dmitry.torokhov@gmail.com> - 2015-09-21 20:10 +0200
                Re: [RFC PATCH] PM / Runtime: runtime: Add sysfs option for forcing  runtime suspend Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu> - 2015-09-21 22:10 +0200
                Re: [RFC PATCH] PM / Runtime: runtime: Add sysfs option for forcing  runtime suspend Dmitry Torokhov <dmitry.torokhov@gmail.com> - 2015-09-21 23:00 +0200
                Re: [RFC PATCH] PM / Runtime: runtime: Add sysfs option for forcing  runtime suspend Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz> - 2015-09-21 22:30 +0200
      RE: [RFC PATCH] PM / Runtime: runtime: Add sysfs option for forcing  runtime suspend Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu> - 2015-09-08 16:50 +0200
        Re: [RFC PATCH] PM / Runtime: runtime: Add sysfs option for forcing runtime suspend "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net> - 2015-09-08 16:50 +0200
          Re: [RFC PATCH] PM / Runtime: runtime: Add sysfs option for forcing  runtime suspend Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu> - 2015-09-08 17:10 +0200
            Re: [RFC PATCH] PM / Runtime: runtime: Add sysfs option for forcing  runtime suspend "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael@kernel.org> - 2015-09-08 22:30 +0200
              Re: [RFC PATCH] PM / Runtime: runtime: Add sysfs option for forcing  runtime suspend Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu> - 2015-09-09 17:30 +0200
        Re: [RFC PATCH] PM / Runtime: runtime: Add sysfs option for forcing  runtime suspend Oliver Neukum <oneukum@suse.com> - 2015-09-09 08:30 +0200
          Re: [RFC PATCH] PM / Runtime: runtime: Add sysfs option for forcing  runtime suspend Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu> - 2015-09-09 16:40 +0200

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