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Re: [PATCHv3 4/5] mm: make compound_head() robust

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On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 08:14:35PM +0200, Michal Hocko wrote:
> On Thu 27-08-15 09:36:34, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> > On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 05:09:17PM +0200, Michal Hocko wrote:
> > > On Wed 26-08-15 14:29:16, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> > > > On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 11:18:45AM -0700, Hugh Dickins wrote:
> > > [...]
> > > > > But if you do one day implement that, wouldn't sl?b.c have to use
> > > > > call_rcu_with_added_meaning() instead of call_rcu(), to be in danger
> > > > > of getting that bit set?  (No rcu_head is placed in a PageTail page.)
> > > > 
> > > > Good point, call_rcu_lazy(), but yes.
> > > > 
> > > > > So although it might be a little strange not to use a variant intended
> > > > > for freeing memory when indeed that's what it's doing, it would not be
> > > > > the end of the world for SLAB_DESTROY_BY_RCU to carry on using straight
> > > > > call_rcu(), in defence of the struct page safety Kirill is proposing.
> > > > 
> > > > As long as you are OK with the bottom bit being zero throughout the RCU
> > > > processing, yes.
> > > 
> > > I am really not sure I udnerstand. What will prevent
> > > call_rcu(&page->rcu_head, free_page_rcu) done in a random driver?
> > 
> > As long as it uses call_rcu(), call_rcu_bh(), call_rcu_sched(),
> > or call_srcu() and not some future call_rcu_lazy(), no problem.
> > 
> > But yes, if you are going to assume that RCU leaves the bottom
> > bit of the rcu_head structure's ->next field zero, then everything
> > everywhere in the kernel might in the future need to be careful of
> > exactly what variant of call_rcu() is used.
> 
> OK, so it would be call_rcu_$special to use the bit. This wasn't entirely
> clear to me. I thought it would be opposite.

Yes.  And I cannot resist adding that the need to avoid
call_rcu_$special() would be with respect to a given rcu_head structure,
not global.  Though I believe that you already figured that out.  ;-)

> > > Cannot the RCU simply claim bit1? I can see 1146edcbef37 ("rcu: Loosen
> > > __call_rcu()'s rcu_head alignment constraint") but AFAIU all it would
> > > take to fix this would be to require struct rcu_head to be aligned to
> > > 32b no?
> > 
> > There are some architectures that guarantee only 16-bit alignment.
> > If those architectures are fixed to do 32-bit alignment, or if support
> > for them is dropped, then the future restrictions mentioned above could
> > be dropped.
> 
> My understanding of the discussion which led to the above patch is that
> m68k allows for 32b alignment you just have to be explicit about that
> (http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.ports.m68k/5932/focus=5960). Which
> other archs would be affected?
> 
> I mean, this patch allows for quite some simplification in the mm code.
> And I think that RCU can live with mm of the low bits without any
> issues. You've said that one bit should be sufficient for the RCU use
> case. So having 2 bits sounds like a good thing.

As long as MM doesn't use call_rcu_$special() for the rcu_head structure
in question, as long as MM is OK with the bottom bit of ->next always
being zero during a grace period, and as long as MM avoids writing
to ->next during a grace period, we should be good as is, even if a
call_rcu_$special() becomes necessary.

							Thanx, Paul

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Re: [PATCHv3 4/5] mm: make compound_head() robust Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org> - 2015-08-21 01:40 +0200
  Re: [PATCHv3 4/5] mm: make compound_head() robust "Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill@shutemov.name> - 2015-08-21 14:20 +0200
    Re: [PATCHv3 4/5] mm: make compound_head() robust Christoph Lameter <cl@linux.com> - 2015-08-21 18:20 +0200
      Re: [PATCHv3 4/5] mm: make compound_head() robust "Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill@shutemov.name> - 2015-08-21 21:40 +0200
        Re: [PATCHv3 4/5] mm: make compound_head() robust Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org> - 2015-08-21 21:40 +0200
          Re: [PATCHv3 4/5] mm: make compound_head() robust Christoph Lameter <cl@linux.com> - 2015-08-21 23:20 +0200
          Re: [PATCHv3 4/5] mm: make compound_head() robust Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz> - 2015-08-24 17:50 +0200
    Re: [PATCHv3 4/5] mm: make compound_head() robust Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz> - 2015-08-25 13:50 +0200
      Re: [PATCHv3 4/5] mm: make compound_head() robust "Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill@shutemov.name> - 2015-08-25 20:40 +0200
        Re: [PATCHv3 4/5] mm: make compound_head() robust "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com> - 2015-08-25 22:20 +0200
          Re: [PATCHv3 4/5] mm: make compound_head() robust Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz> - 2015-08-25 22:50 +0200
            Re: [PATCHv3 4/5] mm: make compound_head() robust "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com> - 2015-08-25 23:30 +0200
              Re: [PATCHv3 4/5] mm: make compound_head() robust "Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill@shutemov.name> - 2015-08-26 17:10 +0200
                Re: [PATCHv3 4/5] mm: make compound_head() robust Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz> - 2015-08-26 17:40 +0200
                Re: [PATCHv3 4/5] mm: make compound_head() robust "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com> - 2015-08-26 18:40 +0200
              Re: [PATCHv3 4/5] mm: make compound_head() robust Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com> - 2015-08-26 20:20 +0200
                Re: [PATCHv3 4/5] mm: make compound_head() robust "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com> - 2015-08-26 23:30 +0200
                Re: [PATCHv3 4/5] mm: make compound_head() robust Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com> - 2015-08-27 00:30 +0200
                Re: [PATCHv3 4/5] mm: make compound_head() robust "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com> - 2015-08-27 01:40 +0200
                Re: [PATCHv3 4/5] mm: make compound_head() robust Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org> - 2015-08-27 17:10 +0200
                Re: [PATCHv3 4/5] mm: make compound_head() robust Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org> - 2015-08-27 18:10 +0200
                Re: [PATCHv3 4/5] mm: make compound_head() robust Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com> - 2015-08-27 19:30 +0200
                Re: [PATCHv3 4/5] mm: make compound_head() robust Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org> - 2015-08-27 20:10 +0200
                Re: [PATCHv3 4/5] mm: make compound_head() robust "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com> - 2015-08-27 18:40 +0200
                Re: [PATCHv3 4/5] mm: make compound_head() robust Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org> - 2015-08-27 20:20 +0200
                Re: [PATCHv3 4/5] mm: make compound_head() robust "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com> - 2015-08-27 21:20 +0200

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