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Re: [PATCH -mm v9 0/8] idle memory tracking

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On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 07:12:13AM -0700, Michel Lespinasse wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 6:59 AM, Vladimir Davydov <vdavydov@parallels.com>
> wrote:
> >> I guess the primary reason to rely on the pfn rather than the LRU walk,
> >> which would be more targeted (especially for memcg cases), is that we
> >> cannot hold lru lock for the whole LRU walk and we cannot continue
> >> walking after the lock is dropped. Maybe we can try to address that
> >> instead? I do not think this is easy to achieve but have you considered
> >> that as an option?
> >
> > Yes, I have, and I've come to a conclusion it's not doable, because LRU
> > lists can be constantly rotating at an arbitrary rate. If you have an
> > idea in mind how this could be done, please share.
> >
> > Speaking of LRU-vs-PFN walk, iterating over PFNs has its own advantages:
> >  - You can distribute a walk in time to avoid CPU bursts.
> >  - You are free to parallelize the scanner as you wish to decrease the
> >    scan time.
> 
> There is a third way: one could go through every MM in the system and scan
> their page tables. Doing things that way turns out to be generally faster
> than scanning by physical address, because you don't have to go through
> RMAP for every page. But, you end up needing to take the mmap_sem lock of
> every MM (in turn) while scanning them, and that degrades quickly under
> memory load, which is exactly when you most need this feature. So, scan by
> address is still what we use here.

Page table scan approach has the inherent problem - it ignores unmapped
page cache. If a workload does a lot of read/write or map-access-unmap
operations, we won't be able to even roughly estimate its wss.

Thanks,
Vladimir
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Re: [PATCH -mm v9 0/8] idle memory tracking Vladimir Davydov <vdavydov@parallels.com> - 2015-07-29 16:00 +0200
  Re: [PATCH -mm v9 0/8] idle memory tracking Michel Lespinasse <walken@google.com> - 2015-07-29 16:20 +0200
  Re: [PATCH -mm v9 0/8] idle memory tracking Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org> - 2015-07-29 16:30 +0200
    Re: [PATCH -mm v9 0/8] idle memory tracking Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org> - 2015-07-30 11:10 +0200
      Re: [PATCH -mm v9 0/8] idle memory tracking Vladimir Davydov <vdavydov@parallels.com> - 2015-07-30 11:40 +0200
    Re: [PATCH -mm v9 0/8] idle memory tracking Vladimir Davydov <vdavydov@parallels.com> - 2015-07-30 11:20 +0200
  Re: [PATCH -mm v9 0/8] idle memory tracking Vladimir Davydov <vdavydov@parallels.com> - 2015-07-29 16:50 +0200

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