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geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps

Started byAnil F Duggirala <anilduggirala@fastmail.fm>
First post2020-04-09 15:00 +0200
Last post2020-04-10 20:00 +0200
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  geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps Anil F Duggirala <anilduggirala@fastmail.fm> - 2020-04-09 15:00 +0200
    Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-04-09 16:50 +0200
    Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2020-04-09 16:50 +0200
      Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps Anil F Duggirala <anilduggirala@fastmail.fm> - 2020-04-11 16:50 +0200
        Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-04-11 17:00 +0200
          Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2020-04-11 17:40 +0200
            Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-04-11 18:00 +0200
              Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2020-04-11 18:10 +0200
                Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2020-04-13 15:50 +0200
                  Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2020-04-13 23:10 +0200
            Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2020-04-11 18:00 +0200
            Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2020-04-11 20:50 +0200
              Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2020-04-12 01:20 +0200
                Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2020-04-12 02:40 +0200
                  Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-04-12 09:20 +0200
                    Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2020-04-12 20:20 +0200
        Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps Anil F Duggirala <anilduggirala@fastmail.fm> - 2020-04-11 17:00 +0200
          Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2020-04-11 17:50 +0200
            Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2020-04-11 18:00 +0200
              Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2020-04-11 18:20 +0200
            Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps rhkramer@gmail.com - 2020-04-11 22:10 +0200
              Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2020-04-11 22:20 +0200
                Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps rhkramer@gmail.com - 2020-04-12 02:30 +0200
                  Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2020-04-12 10:10 +0200
                    Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-04-12 10:20 +0200
                    Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-04-12 10:50 +0200
                      Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2020-04-12 11:50 +0200
                        Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-04-12 16:20 +0200
                          Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2020-04-12 17:00 +0200
                      Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-04-12 12:20 +0200
                        Re: DOH (was: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps) Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2020-04-12 12:30 +0200
                          Re: DOH (was: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-04-12 12:40 +0200
                            Re: DOH (was: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps) Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2020-04-12 13:10 +0200
                              Re: DOH (was: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-04-12 15:40 +0200
                              Re: DOH (was: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps) Lee <ler762@gmail.com> - 2020-04-13 01:50 +0200
                                Re: DOH (was: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps) Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2020-04-13 07:50 +0200
                                  Re: DOH (was: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps) Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-04-13 10:20 +0200
                                    Re: DOH (was: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps) Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2020-04-13 12:00 +0200
                                      Re: DOH (was: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-04-13 12:10 +0200
                                      Re: DOH (was: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps) Liam O'Toole <liam.p.otoole@gmail.com> - 2020-04-13 13:20 +0200
                                        Re: DOH (was: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps) Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2020-04-13 15:30 +0200
                                          Re: DOH (was: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps) Liam O'Toole <liam.p.otoole@gmail.com> - 2020-04-13 17:20 +0200
                                            Re: DOH John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2020-04-13 17:40 +0200
                                              Re: DOH "Liam O'Toole" <liam.p.otoole@gmail.com> - 2020-04-14 22:10 +0200
                                                Re: DOH Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2020-04-14 22:50 +0200
                                                  Re: DOH Liam O'Toole <liam.p.otoole@gmail.com> - 2020-04-14 23:30 +0200
                                                    Re: DOH Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2020-04-15 00:00 +0200
                                                    Re: DOH John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2020-04-15 01:10 +0200
                                                      Re: DOH Liam O'Toole <liam.p.otoole@gmail.com> - 2020-04-15 01:30 +0200
                                                    Re: DOH Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2020-04-15 09:00 +0200
                                    Re: DOH John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2020-04-13 17:30 +0200
                                  Re: DOH (was: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps) Lee <ler762@gmail.com> - 2020-04-14 00:50 +0200
                                    Re: DOH (was: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps) Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2020-04-14 08:20 +0200
                                      Re: DOH (was: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps) Lee <ler762@gmail.com> - 2020-04-14 13:10 +0200
                                        Re: DOH (was: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps) nito@dismail.de - 2020-04-14 13:50 +0200
                                          Re: DOH (was: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps) Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2020-04-14 14:10 +0200
                                        Re: DOH (was: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps) Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2020-04-14 15:30 +0200
                                          Re: DOH John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2020-04-14 17:40 +0200
                                  Re: DOH (was: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps) Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2020-04-14 05:40 +0200
                                    Re: DOH (was: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps) Lee <ler762@gmail.com> - 2020-04-14 11:50 +0200
                                      Re: DOH (was: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps) Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2020-04-14 19:00 +0200
                                        Re: DOH John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2020-04-14 19:20 +0200
                                          Re: DOH Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2020-04-15 00:00 +0200
                                Re: DOH (was: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-04-13 09:20 +0200
                                  Re: DOH John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2020-04-13 17:20 +0200
                                  Re: DOH (was: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps) Lee <ler762@gmail.com> - 2020-04-14 01:10 +0200
                                    Re: DOH (was: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps) tomas@tuxteam.de - 2020-04-14 10:10 +0200
                                    Re: DOH (was: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps) Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2020-04-14 13:40 +0200
                                      Re: DOH (was: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps) Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-04-14 16:40 +0200
                                      Re: DOH (was: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps) Lee <ler762@gmail.com> - 2020-04-15 01:20 +0200
                                        Re: DOH (was: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps) Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2020-04-15 13:50 +0200
                                          Re: DOH (was: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps) David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2020-04-15 16:50 +0200
                                          Re: DOH (was: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps) Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2020-04-17 05:30 +0200
                            Re: DOH (was: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps) Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2020-04-12 13:40 +0200
                              Re: DOH (was: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-04-12 15:40 +0200
                                Re: DOH Michael Howard <mike@dewberryfields.co.uk> - 2020-04-12 15:50 +0200
                                Re: DOH (was: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps) Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2020-04-12 18:10 +0200
                          Re: DOH (was: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps) Tixy <tixy@yxit.co.uk> - 2020-04-12 14:40 +0200
                            Re: DOH (was: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-04-12 15:50 +0200
                        Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2020-04-12 15:00 +0200
            Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2020-04-11 23:40 +0200
              Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2020-04-12 10:00 +0200
            Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2020-04-13 16:00 +0200
              Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2020-04-13 16:40 +0200
              Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps Michael Howard <mike@dewberryfields.co.uk> - 2020-04-13 16:40 +0200
        Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2020-04-11 17:10 +0200
    Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2020-04-09 18:20 +0200
      Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps "Anil Felipe Duggirala" <anilduggirala@fastmail.fm> - 2020-04-10 15:30 +0200
        Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-04-10 15:50 +0200
          Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2020-04-10 16:30 +0200
            Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps Anil F Duggirala <anilduggirala@fastmail.fm> - 2020-04-11 16:40 +0200
          Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps Anil F Duggirala <anilduggirala@fastmail.fm> - 2020-04-11 16:30 +0200
        Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2020-04-10 16:30 +0200
        Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2020-04-10 17:00 +0200
          Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2020-04-10 17:20 +0200
            Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2020-04-10 17:40 +0200
              Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2020-04-10 17:50 +0200
                Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2020-04-10 18:10 +0200
                Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2020-04-10 20:00 +0200
              Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-04-10 18:00 +0200
                Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2020-04-10 18:20 +0200
                  Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-04-10 18:40 +0200
                  Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2020-04-10 18:40 +0200
                Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps Anil F Duggirala <anilduggirala@fastmail.fm> - 2020-04-11 16:40 +0200
                  Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps tomas@tuxteam.de - 2020-04-11 16:50 +0200
              Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps Anil F Duggirala <anilduggirala@fastmail.fm> - 2020-04-11 16:40 +0200
                Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2020-04-11 17:30 +0200
          Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2020-04-10 17:20 +0200
          Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps Anil F Duggirala <anilduggirala@fastmail.fm> - 2020-04-11 16:30 +0200
            Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2020-04-11 17:20 +0200
            Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2020-04-13 13:40 +0200
        Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2020-04-10 17:20 +0200
          Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2020-04-10 20:00 +0200
        Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-04-11 09:40 +0200
          Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2020-04-11 10:30 +0200
          Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps Anil F Duggirala <anilduggirala@fastmail.fm> - 2020-04-11 16:50 +0200
    Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps mick crane <mick.crane@gmail.com> - 2020-04-10 19:00 +0200
      Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2020-04-10 20:00 +0200

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#221123 — geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps

FromAnil F Duggirala <anilduggirala@fastmail.fm>
Date2020-04-09 15:00 +0200
Subjectgeolocation services disabled and Gnome maps
Message-ID<zTEWK-1ZG-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
hello,
I am running Gnome 3 in Debian Buster. I am wondering why, even though
my Location Services are set to Off (and has always been set to Off),
when  I enter the Gnome Maps application, it determines and shows my
location on the map.
thank you,

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#221129

From<tomas@tuxteam.de>
Date2020-04-09 16:50 +0200
Message-ID<zTGFb-35A-11@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#221123

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On Thu, Apr 09, 2020 at 07:49:46AM -0500, Anil F Duggirala wrote:
> hello,
> I am running Gnome 3 in Debian Buster. I am wondering why, even though
> my Location Services are set to Off (and has always been set to Off),
> when  I enter the Gnome Maps application, it determines and shows my
> location on the map.
> thank you,

I'd guess that it relies on your IP address (via some geo IP database).
But I could be wrong.

Cheers
-- tomás

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#221130

FromDavid Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk>
Date2020-04-09 16:50 +0200
Message-ID<zTGFb-35A-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#221123
On Thu 09 Apr 2020 at 07:49:46 (-0500), Anil F Duggirala wrote:
> I am running Gnome 3 in Debian Buster. I am wondering why, even though
> my Location Services are set to Off (and has always been set to Off),
> when  I enter the Gnome Maps application, it determines and shows my
> location on the map.

Perhaps it simply looks up your IP address. Would I be right in
thinking that you are located in your DC?
(I don't know anything about Gnome Maps or Gnome.)

Cheers,
David.

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#221201

FromAnil F Duggirala <anilduggirala@fastmail.fm>
Date2020-04-11 16:50 +0200
Message-ID<zUpCi-5ym-23@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#221130
On Thu, 2020-04-09 at 09:48 -0500, David Wright wrote:
> On Thu 09 Apr 2020 at 07:49:46 (-0500), Anil F Duggirala wrote:
> > I am running Gnome 3 in Debian Buster. I am wondering why, even
> > though
> > my Location Services are set to Off (and has always been set to
> > Off),
> > when  I enter the Gnome Maps application, it determines and shows
> > my
> > location on the map.
> 
> Perhaps it simply looks up your IP address. Would I be right in
> thinking that you are located in your DC?
So. I right now physically in the beautiful city of Cali, Colombia. And
Gnome Maps is showing my location precise to about a 10 meter radius of
my actual location. That is my concern. Location Services are Off and
have never been turned on on this machine.

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#221202

From<tomas@tuxteam.de>
Date2020-04-11 17:00 +0200
Message-ID<zUpLY-5BE-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#221201

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On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 09:49:50AM -0500, Anil F Duggirala wrote:

[...]

> I should not have said a 10 meter radius, thats not fair. I would say,
> always, within a 50 meter radius. Which imo is pretty precise for IP
> based location.

Just for kicks, I entered my external IP address into https://geoip.com/
and it misses me by roughly 3km.

Cheers
-- t

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#221210

FromCurt <curty@free.fr>
Date2020-04-11 17:40 +0200
Message-ID<zUqoF-64H-7@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#221202
On 2020-04-11, <tomas@tuxteam.de> <tomas@tuxteam.de> wrote:
>
> On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 09:49:50AM -0500, Anil F Duggirala wrote:
>
> [...]
>
>> I should not have said a 10 meter radius, thats not fair. I would say,
>> always, within a 50 meter radius. Which imo is pretty precise for IP
>> based location.
>
> Just for kicks, I entered my external IP address into https://geoip.com/
> and it misses me by roughly 3km.

I wanted to try this myself but got a 

 403 Permission Denied
 You do not have permission for this request 


> Cheers
> -- t
>

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#221214

From<tomas@tuxteam.de>
Date2020-04-11 18:00 +0200
Message-ID<zUqI2-6bD-23@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#221210

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On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 03:32:31PM -0000, Curt wrote:
> On 2020-04-11, <tomas@tuxteam.de> <tomas@tuxteam.de> wrote:
> >
> > On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 09:49:50AM -0500, Anil F Duggirala wrote:
> >
> > [...]
> >
> >> I should not have said a 10 meter radius, thats not fair. I would say,
> >> always, within a 50 meter radius. Which imo is pretty precise for IP
> >> based location.
> >
> > Just for kicks, I entered my external IP address into https://geoip.com/
> > and it misses me by roughly 3km.
> 
> I wanted to try this myself but got a 
> 
>  403 Permission Denied
>  You do not have permission for this request 

Note that I'm not recommending that site. It was just one
hit in the search engine.

Cheers
-- t

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#221217

FromCurt <curty@free.fr>
Date2020-04-11 18:10 +0200
Message-ID<zUqRI-6um-11@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#221214
On 2020-04-11, <tomas@tuxteam.de> <tomas@tuxteam.de> wrote:
>
> Note that I'm not recommending that site. It was just one
> hit in the search engine.

I found another outfit that nailed me within a 50 meter radius (if that
demonstrates anything).


 https://www.maxmind.com/en/geoip-demo

I'm not recommending these people either, BTW.

> Cheers


-- 

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#221396

FromCelejar <celejar@gmail.com>
Date2020-04-13 15:50 +0200
Message-ID<zV7Dk-7ln-11@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#221217
On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 16:03:30 -0000 (UTC)
Curt <curty@free.fr> wrote:

> On 2020-04-11, <tomas@tuxteam.de> <tomas@tuxteam.de> wrote:
> >
> > Note that I'm not recommending that site. It was just one
> > hit in the search engine.
> 
> I found another outfit that nailed me within a 50 meter radius (if that
> demonstrates anything).
> 
> 
>  https://www.maxmind.com/en/geoip-demo
> 
> I'm not recommending these people either, BTW.

I'm not recommending them either, but note that they're a major
geolocation player, with dozens of packages in Debian that deal with
their data / format:

~$ apt-cache search maxmind | wc
     26     241    1820

Celejar

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#221458

FromDavid Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk>
Date2020-04-13 23:10 +0200
Message-ID<zVev7-3pg-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#221396
On Mon 13 Apr 2020 at 09:47:25 (-0400), Celejar wrote:
> On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 16:03:30 -0000 (UTC) Curt <curty@free.fr> wrote:
> > On 2020-04-11, <tomas@tuxteam.de> <tomas@tuxteam.de> wrote:
> > >
> > > Note that I'm not recommending that site. It was just one
> > > hit in the search engine.
> > 
> > I found another outfit that nailed me within a 50 meter radius (if that
> > demonstrates anything).
> > 
> >  https://www.maxmind.com/en/geoip-demo
> > 
> > I'm not recommending these people either, BTW.
> 
> I'm not recommending them either, but note that they're a major
> geolocation player, with dozens of packages in Debian that deal with
> their data / format:
> 
> ~$ apt-cache search maxmind | wc
>      26     241    1820

My own IP should be rather easy to locate, as it's provided by the
local cable company in a town that's the main centre of its
"Combined Statistical Area" (to use the official jargon). So it's
likely there's some sort of "concentrator" just down the way
that leasing the current IP number.

So I looked up my email host instead, in a number of sites. The
answers varied from an office block in Manchester, the current
company HQ, to the middle of the Thames outside the Houses of
Parliament, to an estate agent (realtor) in Pewsey, a Wiltshire
village in kind of the middle of nowhere, which was the company HQ
until 2012.

I think the correct answer is that the data centre is in Stockport,
but companies aren't usually interested in publicising these places.

It would appear that, rather than use sophisticated route-tracing
through the interweb's plumbing, the web sites just consult
databases of varying quality and uptodateness.

Cheers,
David.

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#221215

FromBrad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk>
Date2020-04-11 18:00 +0200
Message-ID<zUqI3-6bD-33@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#221210

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On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 15:32:31 -0000 (UTC)
Curt <curty@free.fr> wrote:

Hello Curt,

>I wanted to try this myself but got a 
>
> 403 Permission Denied
> You do not have permission for this request 

Worked for me.

Apparently, I'm on top of Nelson's Column (London, England).  In
reality, I'm about 160 miles west(ish) of there.  I surmise the location
is based purely on the postal town of my ISP.

-- 
 Regards  _
         / )           "The blindingly obvious is
        / _)rad        never immediately apparent"
If you ain't sticking your knives in me, you will be eventually
Monsoon - Robbie Williams

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#221225

FromJoe <joe@jretrading.com>
Date2020-04-11 20:50 +0200
Message-ID<zUtmy-7Rb-29@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#221210
On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 15:32:31 -0000 (UTC)
Curt <curty@free.fr> wrote:

> On 2020-04-11, <tomas@tuxteam.de> <tomas@tuxteam.de> wrote:
> >
> > On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 09:49:50AM -0500, Anil F Duggirala wrote:
> >
> > [...]
> >  
> >> I should not have said a 10 meter radius, thats not fair. I would
> >> say, always, within a 50 meter radius. Which imo is pretty precise
> >> for IP based location.  
> >
> > Just for kicks, I entered my external IP address into
> > https://geoip.com/ and it misses me by roughly 3km.  
> 
> I wanted to try this myself but got a 
> 
>  403 Permission Denied
>  You do not have permission for this request 
> 
> 


It's a bit flaky. Here is whatismyip.com:

City: Sheffield
State: England

Sheffield is a city well into the North of England.

Here's geoip.com:

United Kingdom
ENG
England
Washington

50.9049
-0.40649

This isn't the original Washington, which is in East Anglia, this is a
tiny village near the south coast of England.

And I live in the easternmost London Borough. So much for accuracy. My
ISP's national HQ is in Sheffield, but where the hell Washington comes
from, I don't know.

-- 
Joe

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#221239

FromJohn Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com>
Date2020-04-12 01:20 +0200
Message-ID<zUxzQ-27B-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#221225
Joe writes:
> And I live in the easternmost London Borough. So much for accuracy. My
> ISP's national HQ is in Sheffield, but where the hell Washington comes
> from, I don't know.

GeoIP usually (though not always) puts me in Elk Mound because that's
where the CenturyLink concentrator that I connect to is located.

Before the exhaustion of the IPv4 space (and before classless routing)
you could always tell what country and what ISP an IP was in by
inspection.  ISPs tended to distribute IPs hierarchically and
geographically internally, so it didn't take too much research to
develop fairly reliable databases.  Classless routing plus the buying
and selling of small blocks of IPs has destroyed that relationship.
It's also exploding the routing tables.
-- 
John Hasler 
jhasler@newsguy.com
Elmwood, WI USA

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#221244

FromGene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net>
Date2020-04-12 02:40 +0200
Message-ID<zUyPf-2Ng-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#221239
On Saturday 11 April 2020 19:14:22 John Hasler wrote:

> Joe writes:
> > And I live in the easternmost London Borough. So much for accuracy.
> > My ISP's national HQ is in Sheffield, but where the hell Washington
> > comes from, I don't know.
>
> GeoIP usually (though not always) puts me in Elk Mound because that's
> where the CenturyLink concentrator that I connect to is located.
>
> Before the exhaustion of the IPv4 space (and before classless routing)
> you could always tell what country and what ISP an IP was in by
> inspection.  ISPs tended to distribute IPs hierarchically and
> geographically internally, so it didn't take too much research to
> develop fairly reliable databases.  Classless routing plus the buying
> and selling of small blocks of IPs has destroyed that relationship.
> It's also exploding the routing tables.

And I have discovered a way to have a fixed IPv4 address. My router's mac 
which I have cloned into a second emergency router, is how they assign 
an ipv4 address to me, net result has been a fixed dns address, so I am 
now on my 3rd 5 year registration of a namecheap address with 
geneslinuxbox.net.  So you can click on the link in my sig, and get this 
machine for the last 11 or 12 years w/o me haveing to pay for the much 
higher dynamic address I really am.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#221252

FromAndrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com>
Date2020-04-12 09:20 +0200
Message-ID<zUF4l-6MU-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#221244

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On Sb, 11 apr 20, 20:31:46, Gene Heskett wrote:
> 
> And I have discovered a way to have a fixed IPv4 address. My router's mac 
> which I have cloned into a second emergency router, is how they assign 
> an ipv4 address to me, net result has been a fixed dns address, so I am 
> now on my 3rd 5 year registration of a namecheap address with 
> geneslinuxbox.net.  

This very much ISP dependent. My current one will allocate new IPs (v4 
as well as v6) on every re-connection, so the only way to keep the same 
IPs is connection uptime.

The only benefits I can think of from their side is less management 
overhead and charging for fixed IPs (if that is even an option for 
private users, didn't bother to check).

Kind regards,
Andrei
-- 
http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser

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#221342

FromJohn Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com>
Date2020-04-12 20:20 +0200
Message-ID<zUPn3-4E9-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#221252
Andrei writes:
> This very much ISP dependent. My current one will allocate new IPs (v4
> as well as v6) on every re-connection, so the only way to keep the
> same IPs is connection uptime.

> The only benefits I can think of from their side is less management
> overhead and charging for fixed IPs (if that is even an option for
> private users, didn't bother to check).

It may also be somewhat historical.  There was a time when most users
were not connected most of the time.  This meant that by allocating the
next free IP upon connecting they could "overbook" IPs.  Now I think
that they just use DHCP.  Simplifies provisioning.
-- 
John Hasler 
jhasler@newsguy.com
Elmwood, WI USA

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#221203

FromAnil F Duggirala <anilduggirala@fastmail.fm>
Date2020-04-11 17:00 +0200
Message-ID<zUpLY-5BE-7@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#221201
> > 
> > Perhaps it simply looks up your IP address. Would I be right in
> > thinking that you are located in your DC?
> So. I right now physically in the beautiful city of Cali, Colombia.
> And
> Gnome Maps is showing my location precise to about a 10 meter radius
> of
> my actual location. That is my concern. Location Services are Off and
> have never been turned on on this machine.
> 
I should not have said a 10 meter radius, thats not fair. I would say,
always, within a 50 meter radius. Which imo is pretty precise for IP
based location.

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#221211

FromCurt <curty@free.fr>
Date2020-04-11 17:50 +0200
Message-ID<zUqyl-68b-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#221203
On 2020-04-11, Anil F Duggirala <anilduggirala@fastmail.fm> wrote:
>> > 
>> > Perhaps it simply looks up your IP address. Would I be right in
>> > thinking that you are located in your DC?
>> So. I right now physically in the beautiful city of Cali, Colombia.
>> And
>> Gnome Maps is showing my location precise to about a 10 meter radius
>> of
>> my actual location. That is my concern. Location Services are Off and
>> have never been turned on on this machine.
>> 
> I should not have said a 10 meter radius, thats not fair. I would say,
> always, within a 50 meter radius. Which imo is pretty precise for IP
> based location.
>

BTW, I fed my IP address to this site

 https://www.maxmind.com/en/locate-my-ip-address

and it nails my location approximately within a 50 meter radius (I
entered the latitudinal and longitudinal coordinate output into Google's
search engine, which brings up the spot in their Maps app).

I found this surprising (in my vast ignorance). 

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#221213

FromBrad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk>
Date2020-04-11 18:00 +0200
Message-ID<zUqI2-6bD-15@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#221211

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On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 15:48:00 -0000 (UTC)
Curt <curty@free.fr> wrote:

Hello Curt,

>BTW, I fed my IP address to this site
> https://www.maxmind.com/en/locate-my-ip-address

That puts my IP in West Sussex.  Still a long way off from where I am.
Based on where my ISP connection is located, I think.

-- 
 Regards  _
         / )           "The blindingly obvious is
        / _)rad        never immediately apparent"
Makes you wonder how the other half die
Devil Inside - INXS

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#221218

FromCurt <curty@free.fr>
Date2020-04-11 18:20 +0200
Message-ID<zUr1n-6xM-9@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#221213
On 2020-04-11, Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> wrote:
>
> On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 15:48:00 -0000 (UTC)
> Curt <curty@free.fr> wrote:
>
> Hello Curt,
>
>>BTW, I fed my IP address to this site
>> https://www.maxmind.com/en/locate-my-ip-address
>
> That puts my IP in West Sussex.  Still a long way off from where I am.
> Based on where my ISP connection is located, I think.
>

I guess it depends, then. On what, exactly, I dunno. 

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