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Debian is testing Discourse

Started byReco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net>
First post2020-04-12 10:50 +0200
Last post2020-04-30 05:10 +0200
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  Debian is testing Discourse Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2020-04-12 10:50 +0200
    Re: Debian is testing Discourse <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-04-12 11:00 +0200
      Re: Debian is testing Discourse Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2020-04-12 11:30 +0200
      Re: Debian is testing Discourse Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2020-04-12 11:50 +0200
      Re: Debian is testing Discourse Eric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk> - 2020-04-16 13:00 +0200
    Re: Debian is testing Discourse <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-04-12 11:00 +0200
      Re: Debian is testing Discourse Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2020-04-12 11:10 +0200
        Re: Debian is testing Discourse <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-04-12 11:20 +0200
          Re: Debian is testing Discourse Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2020-04-12 11:30 +0200
          Re: Debian is testing Discourse Eike Lantzsch <zp6cge@gmx.net> - 2020-04-12 15:30 +0200
            Re: Debian is testing Discourse Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2020-04-12 17:40 +0200
              Re: Debian is testing Discourse Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2020-04-12 18:00 +0200
          Re: Debian is testing Discourse Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-04-12 15:30 +0200
        Re: Debian is testing Discourse Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-04-12 15:40 +0200
          Re: Debian is testing Discourse Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2020-04-12 15:50 +0200
            Re: Debian is testing Discourse Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-04-12 16:40 +0200
            Re: Debian is testing Discourse Steve McIntyre <steve@einval.com> - 2020-04-12 17:10 +0200
          Re: Debian is testing Discourse Keith Christian <keith1christian@gmail.com> - 2020-04-12 16:00 +0200
            Re: Debian is testing Discourse <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-04-12 16:30 +0200
              Re: Debian is testing Discourse Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-04-12 17:10 +0200
                Re: Debian is testing Discourse Nate Bargmann <n0nb@n0nb.us> - 2020-04-12 18:00 +0200
                  Re: Debian is testing Discourse Ihor Antonov <ihor@antonovs.family> - 2020-04-12 21:10 +0200
                  Re: Debian is testing Discourse Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-04-13 09:20 +0200
                    Re: Debian is testing Discourse Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2020-04-13 21:40 +0200
                      Re: Debian is testing Discourse Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-04-14 09:20 +0200
                        Re: Debian is testing Discourse Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2020-04-14 10:30 +0200
                          Re: Debian is testing Discourse Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-04-14 10:50 +0200
                            Re: Debian is testing Discourse Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2020-04-14 11:50 +0200
                              Re: Debian is testing Discourse Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-04-14 17:20 +0200
                                Re: Debian is testing Discourse Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2020-04-15 19:40 +0200
                            Re: Debian is testing Discourse Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2020-04-14 12:00 +0200
                              Re: Debian is testing Discourse rhkramer@gmail.com - 2020-04-14 14:20 +0200
                                Re: Debian is testing Discourse Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2020-04-14 15:40 +0200
                                Re: Debian is testing Discourse Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2020-04-15 06:20 +0200
                                  Re: Debian is testing Discourse rhkramer@gmail.com - 2020-04-15 15:50 +0200
                            Re: Debian is testing Discourse Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2020-04-14 14:10 +0200
                        Re: Debian is testing Discourse Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2020-04-14 13:40 +0200
                        Re: Debian is testing Discourse Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2020-04-20 19:20 +0200
                          Re: Debian is testing Discourse David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2020-04-21 04:40 +0200
                            Re: Debian is testing Discourse Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2020-04-21 05:10 +0200
                              Re: Debian is testing Discourse David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2020-04-21 06:40 +0200
                                Re: Debian is testing Discourse <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-04-21 09:20 +0200
                                Re: Debian is testing Discourse Jonathan Dowland <jon+debian-user@dow.land> - 2020-04-21 12:20 +0200
                                  Re: Debian is testing Discourse Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2020-04-21 21:10 +0200
                                    Re: Debian is testing Discourse David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2020-04-23 00:50 +0200
                                      Re: Debian is testing Discourse deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2020-04-23 08:40 +0200
                                        Re: Debian is testing Discourse <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-04-23 09:10 +0200
                                          Re: Debian is testing Discourse deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2020-04-23 21:30 +0200
                                            Re: Debian is testing Discourse Marco Möller <talby@debianlists.mobilxpress.net> - 2020-04-23 23:50 +0200
                                              Contributing to Debian documentation [was: Debian is testing  Discourse] Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-04-24 09:50 +0200
                                      Re: Debian is testing Discourse Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-04-23 14:00 +0200
                                        Re: Debian is testing Discourse <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-04-23 14:30 +0200
                                          Re: Debian is testing Discourse Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2020-04-23 20:50 +0200
                                        Re: Debian is testing Discourse David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2020-04-23 21:10 +0200
                                        Re: Debian is testing Discourse Daniel Barclay <danielbarclay.oss@gmail.com> - 2020-04-29 18:30 +0200
                                          Re: Debian is testing Discourse Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-04-29 18:50 +0200
                                          Re: Debian is testing Discourse Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2020-04-29 21:20 +0200
                                            Re: Debian is testing Discourse Daniel Barclay <danielbarclay.oss@gmail.com> - 2020-05-07 20:30 +0200
                                              Re: Debian is testing Discourse Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2020-05-07 21:40 +0200
                                      Re: Debian is testing Discourse Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2020-04-23 20:20 +0200
                                    Re: Debian is testing Discourse Jonathan Dowland <jon+debian-user@dow.land> - 2020-04-23 11:30 +0200
                                      Re: Debian is testing Discourse Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2020-04-23 19:50 +0200
                                        Re: Debian is testing Discourse Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-04-24 10:10 +0200
                                          Re: Debian is testing Discourse Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2020-04-24 14:30 +0200
                                            Re: Debian is testing Discourse Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2020-04-24 18:50 +0200
                                              Re: Debian is testing Discourse rhkramer@gmail.com - 2020-04-24 20:20 +0200
                                                Re: Debian is testing Discourse Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2020-04-24 21:20 +0200
                                                  Re: Debian is testing Discourse Jonathan Dowland <jon+debian-user@dow.land> - 2020-04-27 16:00 +0200
                              Re: Debian is testing Discourse Ihor Antonov <ngor@antonovs.family> - 2020-04-21 06:40 +0200
                                Re: Debian is testing Discourse deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2020-04-21 08:20 +0200
    Re: Debian is testing Discourse Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-04-12 11:00 +0200
    Re: Debian is testing Discourse Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2020-04-12 14:10 +0200
      Re: Debian is testing Discourse Michael Howard <mike@dewberryfields.co.uk> - 2020-04-12 14:40 +0200
        Re: Debian is testing Discourse Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-04-12 15:30 +0200
      Re: Debian is testing Discourse <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-04-12 15:50 +0200
      Re: Debian is testing Discourse Keith Bainbridge <ke1th3216@zoho.com> - 2020-04-13 07:10 +0200
        Re: Debian is testing Discourse Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2020-04-13 11:50 +0200
        Re: Debian is testing Discourse Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2020-04-13 13:40 +0200
    Re: Debian is testing Discourse nito@dismail.de - 2020-04-12 15:50 +0200
      Re: Debian is testing Discourse Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-04-12 17:20 +0200
        Re: Debian is testing Discourse nito@dismail.de - 2020-04-12 18:00 +0200
    Re: Debian is testing Discourse Nate Bargmann <n0nb@n0nb.us> - 2020-04-12 17:40 +0200
    Re: Debian is testing Discourse john doe <johndoe65534@mail.com> - 2020-04-12 21:20 +0200
      Re: Debian is testing Discourse John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2020-04-12 21:50 +0200
        Re: Debian is testing Discourse Ihor Antonov <ihor@antonovs.family> - 2020-04-12 21:50 +0200
          Re: Debian is testing Discourse Steve McIntyre <steve@einval.com> - 2020-04-13 03:40 +0200
          Re: Debian is testing Discourse Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2020-04-13 06:40 +0200
            Moderation (not!) [was: Debian is testing Discourse] <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-04-13 09:20 +0200
              Re: Moderation (not!) [was: Debian is testing Discourse] Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2020-04-13 10:30 +0200
                Re: Moderation (not!) [was: Debian is testing Discourse] <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-04-13 10:40 +0200
                  Re: Moderation (not!) [was: Debian is testing Discourse] Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-04-13 11:00 +0200
                  Re: Moderation (not!) [was: Debian is testing Discourse] Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2020-04-13 11:00 +0200
                    Re: Moderation (not!) [was: Debian is testing Discourse] <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-04-13 11:10 +0200
                      Re: Moderation (not!) [was: Debian is testing Discourse] Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2020-04-13 11:50 +0200
                        Re: Moderation (not!) [was: Debian is testing Discourse] Sven Hartge <sven@svenhartge.de> - 2020-04-13 18:00 +0200
                          Re: Moderation (not!) [was: Debian is testing Discourse] Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2020-04-13 22:10 +0200
                            Re: Moderation (not!) [was: Debian is testing Discourse] Sven Hartge <sven@svenhartge.de> - 2020-04-13 22:20 +0200
                    Re: Moderation (not!) [was: Debian is testing Discourse] John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2020-04-13 15:30 +0200
                      Re: Moderation (not!) [was: Debian is testing Discourse] Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2020-04-13 15:30 +0200
                        Re: Moderation (not!) [was: Debian is testing Discourse] John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2020-04-13 17:40 +0200
                      Re: Moderation (not!) [was: Debian is testing Discourse] Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2020-04-13 22:10 +0200
                        Re: Moderation (not!) [was: Debian is testing Discourse] Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-04-14 09:30 +0200
                          Re: Moderation (not!) [was: Debian is testing Discourse] Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2020-04-14 14:20 +0200
                  Re: Moderation (not!) [was: Debian is testing Discourse] Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2020-04-13 11:00 +0200
                  Re: Moderation (not!) [was: Debian is testing Discourse] Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2020-04-13 13:40 +0200
                  Re: Moderation (not!) [was: Debian is testing Discourse] soyeomul@doraji.xyz (황병희) - 2020-04-14 05:10 +0200
                    Re: Moderation (not!) [was: Debian is testing Discourse] <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-04-14 10:20 +0200
              Re: Moderation (not!) [was: Debian is testing Discourse] John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2020-04-13 15:10 +0200
                Re: Moderation (not!) [was: Debian is testing Discourse] Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2020-04-13 15:50 +0200
            Re: Debian is testing Discourse Tom Dial <tddial@comcast.net> - 2020-04-13 23:30 +0200
              Re: Debian is testing Discourse Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2020-04-14 11:00 +0200
                Re: Debian is testing Discourse Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2020-04-14 14:10 +0200
                  Re: Debian is testing Discourse Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2020-04-14 15:40 +0200
                    Re: Debian is testing Discourse Peter Ehlert <peter@sdi-baja.com> - 2020-04-14 16:20 +0200
                      Re: Debian is testing Discourse Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2020-04-14 17:00 +0200
                        Re: Debian is testing Discourse Carl Fink <carlf@panix.com> - 2020-04-14 17:30 +0200
                          Re: Debian is testing Discourse Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2020-04-14 18:40 +0200
                            Re: Debian is testing Discourse John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2020-04-14 19:10 +0200
                              Re: Debian is testing Discourse Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2020-04-14 20:10 +0200
                                Re: Debian is testing Discourse Sven Hartge <sven@svenhartge.de> - 2020-04-14 20:20 +0200
                                Re: Debian is testing Discourse John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2020-04-14 20:40 +0200
                                  Re: Debian is testing Discourse Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2020-04-15 08:20 +0200
                                  Re: Debian is testing Discourse Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-04-15 10:00 +0200
                    Re: Debian is testing Discourse Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2020-04-14 17:00 +0200
                      Re: Debian is testing Discourse John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2020-04-14 17:40 +0200
                        Re: Debian is testing Discourse Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-04-14 17:40 +0200
    Re: Debian is testing Discourse Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-04-13 09:30 +0200
      Re: Debian is testing Discourse Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-04-13 10:20 +0200
      Re: Debian is testing Discourse <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-04-13 10:20 +0200
        Re: Debian is testing Discourse <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-04-13 14:40 +0200
        Re: Debian is testing Discourse Nate Bargmann <n0nb@n0nb.us> - 2020-04-13 14:40 +0200
          Re: Debian is testing Discourse Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2020-04-13 17:20 +0200
          Re: Debian is testing Discourse Sven Hartge <sven@svenhartge.de> - 2020-04-13 18:10 +0200
            Re: Debian is testing Discourse Michael Howard <mike@dewberryfields.co.uk> - 2020-04-13 18:20 +0200
              Re: Debian is testing Discourse John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2020-04-13 18:50 +0200
              Re: Debian is testing Discourse John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2020-04-13 19:00 +0200
                Re: Debian is testing Discourse Sven Hartge <sven@svenhartge.de> - 2020-04-13 19:20 +0200
                Re: Debian is testing Discourse Sven Hartge <sven@svenhartge.de> - 2020-04-13 20:20 +0200
                  Re: Debian is testing Discourse Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2020-04-13 20:40 +0200
                    Re: Debian is testing Discourse Sven Hartge <sven@svenhartge.de> - 2020-04-13 21:10 +0200
                      Re: Debian is testing Discourse Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2020-04-13 21:40 +0200
                    Re: Debian is testing Discourse Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2020-04-13 21:50 +0200
                    Re: Debian is testing Discourse Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2020-04-13 22:10 +0200
                      Re: Debian is testing Discourse Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2020-04-14 10:00 +0200
                        Re: Debian is testing Discourse Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-04-14 10:20 +0200
                        Re: Debian is testing Discourse Sven Hartge <sven@svenhartge.de> - 2020-04-14 13:30 +0200
                          Re: Debian is testing Discourse Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2020-04-14 14:10 +0200
                        Re: Debian is testing Discourse Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2020-04-14 14:10 +0200
                  Re: Debian is testing Discourse Michael Howard <mike@dewberryfields.co.uk> - 2020-04-13 21:40 +0200
                    Re: Debian is testing Discourse Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2020-04-13 21:50 +0200
                      Re: Debian is testing Discourse Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2020-04-13 22:00 +0200
                    Re: Debian is testing Discourse John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2020-04-13 22:00 +0200
                    Re: Debian is testing Discourse Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2020-04-13 22:10 +0200
                      Re: Debian is testing Discourse Sven Hartge <sven@svenhartge.de> - 2020-04-13 22:40 +0200
                        Re: Debian is testing Discourse Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-04-14 09:40 +0200
                          Re: Debian is testing Discourse Sven Hartge <sven@svenhartge.de> - 2020-04-14 13:20 +0200
                Re: Debian is testing Discourse Michael Howard <mike@dewberryfields.co.uk> - 2020-04-13 20:20 +0200
            Re: Debian is testing Discourse Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2020-04-13 21:40 +0200
              Re: Debian is testing Discourse Sven Hartge <sven@svenhartge.de> - 2020-04-13 22:30 +0200
                Re: Debian is testing Discourse Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2020-04-13 22:40 +0200
                  Re: Debian is testing Discourse Sven Hartge <sven@svenhartge.de> - 2020-04-13 23:00 +0200
                    Re: Debian is testing Discourse Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2020-04-14 02:00 +0200
                Re: Debian is testing Discourse Nate Bargmann <n0nb@n0nb.us> - 2020-04-14 02:00 +0200
            Re: Debian is testing Discourse Daniel Barclay <danielbarclay.oss@gmail.com> - 2020-04-29 19:00 +0200
              Re: Debian is testing Discourse Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2020-04-29 20:20 +0200
                Re: Debian is testing Discourse The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> - 2020-04-29 21:00 +0200
                  Re: Debian is testing Discourse <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-04-29 21:20 +0200
                    Re: Debian is testing Discourse Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2020-04-29 22:10 +0200
                      Postel's principle [was: Debian is testing Discourse] <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-04-29 22:20 +0200
              Re: Debian is testing Discourse Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2020-04-30 00:00 +0200
                Re: Debian is testing Discourse rhkramer@gmail.com - 2020-04-30 02:10 +0200
              Re: Debian is testing Discourse rhkramer@gmail.com - 2020-04-30 00:00 +0200
                Re: Debian is testing Discourse Daniel Barclay <danielbarclay.oss@gmail.com> - 2020-05-07 20:30 +0200
                  Re: Debian is testing Discourse Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2020-05-07 22:10 +0200
          Re: Debian is testing Discourse Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2020-04-13 18:50 +0200
            Re: Debian is testing Discourse Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2020-04-13 19:20 +0200
              Re: Debian is testing Discourse Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2020-04-13 19:20 +0200
                Re: Debian is testing Discourse Kenneth Parker <sea7kenp@gmail.com> - 2020-04-14 02:20 +0200
                  Re: Debian is testing Discourse John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2020-04-14 02:50 +0200
                    Re: Debian is testing Discourse Kenneth Parker <sea7kenp@gmail.com> - 2020-04-14 03:40 +0200
                      Re: Debian is testing Discourse John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2020-04-14 04:00 +0200
                    Re: Debian is testing Discourse Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2020-04-14 12:00 +0200
                      Re: Debian is testing Discourse Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2020-04-14 14:10 +0200
                        Re: Debian is testing Discourse Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2020-04-14 14:30 +0200
                          Re: Debian is testing Discourse Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2020-04-14 15:30 +0200
                            Re: Debian is testing Discourse Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2020-04-14 16:20 +0200
              Re: Debian is testing Discourse Michael Howard <mike@dewberryfields.co.uk> - 2020-04-13 20:20 +0200
                Re: Debian is testing Discourse Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2020-04-13 20:30 +0200
    Re: Debian is testing Discourse Glenn Holmer <glenn.holmer@gmail.com> - 2020-04-14 16:50 +0200
    Re: Debian is testing Discourse Nate Bargmann <n0nb@n0nb.us> - 2020-04-23 01:50 +0200
      Re: Debian is testing Discourse Daniel Barclay <danielbarclay.oss@gmail.com> - 2020-04-29 19:10 +0200
        Re: Debian is testing Discourse Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-04-29 19:20 +0200
          Re: Debian is testing Discourse Daniel Barclay <danielbarclay.oss@gmail.com> - 2020-04-29 21:10 +0200
            Re: Debian is testing Discourse Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-04-30 07:20 +0200
        Re: Debian is testing Discourse Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2020-04-29 21:30 +0200
        Re: Debian is testing Discourse Nate Bargmann <n0nb@n0nb.us> - 2020-04-30 05:10 +0200

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#221440

FromDan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org>
Date2020-04-13 21:40 +0200
Message-ID<zVd66-2jg-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#221438
Sven Hartge wrote: 
> Curt <curty@free.fr> wrote:
> > On 2020-04-13, Sven Hartge <sven@svenhartge.de> wrote:
> >> Michael Howard <mike@dewberryfields.co.uk> wrote:
> >>> On 13/04/2020 17:49, John Hasler wrote:
> >>>> Michael Howard writes:
> 
> > There could be a channel to connect the pools. Then people could row
> > from one to the other.
> 
> Sure. 
> 
> But to make that as painless as possible you'd need to do quite the feat
> on the technical side, creating an interface between the web-focused
> frontend and the mail-based frontend, that works without getting in the
> way.
> 
> All attempts to do so I know of in the end just created a mongrel that
> was the worst of both worlds, satisfying nobody.
> 
> So please excuse me if I sound a bit overly pessimistic on that front,
> looking back at ~30 years of online communications in a range of media.


Have you seen DFeed?
https://github.com/CyberShadow/DFeed
GNU AGPL3.0

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#221444

FromDan Purgert <dan@djph.net>
Date2020-04-13 21:50 +0200
Message-ID<zVdfH-2mI-11@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#221436

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On Apr 13, 2020, Curt wrote:
> On 2020-04-13, Sven Hartge <sven@svenhartge.de> wrote:
> >> Sorry, which different pools are you refering to?
> >
> > Different pools of people.
> 
> There could be a channel to connect the pools. Then people could row
> from one to the other.

Unfortunately, that rarely seems to happen.  People get comfortable in
their little sub-section of the internet, and they don't tend to venture
away from it; often forgetting that there is another group discussing
exactly the same thing(s) in a different venue

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#221448

FromBrad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk>
Date2020-04-13 22:10 +0200
Message-ID<zVdz3-2IU-7@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#221436

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On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 18:33:13 -0000 (UTC)
Curt <curty@free.fr> wrote:

Hello Curt,

>There could be a channel to connect the pools

There have, in the past existed gateways between mailing lists and usenet
newsgroups.  They worked well, for the most part.

Web forums to email rarely works as well, since web forum text editors
allow for all sorts of formatting guff that doesn't translate to email
well, if at all despite how good the translating part of the forum
software is supposed to work (it's always second class).  *Especially*
when reactionaries like me insist on having plain text emails, or at
least emails with a plain text part.

I *never* read the HTML part.

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#221479

FromCurt <curty@free.fr>
Date2020-04-14 10:00 +0200
Message-ID<zVoE9-1jO-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#221448
On 2020-04-13, Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> wrote:

> On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 18:33:13 -0000 (UTC)
> Curt <curty@free.fr> wrote:
>
> Hello Curt,
>
>>There could be a channel to connect the pools
>
> There have, in the past existed gateways between mailing lists and usenet
> newsgroups.  They worked well, for the most part.

I'm using one at this very moment.

> Web forums to email rarely works as well, since web forum text editors
> allow for all sorts of formatting guff that doesn't translate to email
> well, if at all despite how good the translating part of the forum
> software is supposed to work (it's always second class).  *Especially*
> when reactionaries like me insist on having plain text emails, or at
> least emails with a plain text part.
>
> I *never* read the HTML part.
>

As Brian P. has already sort of implied, some might find it hard to
believe in the total sincerity of a change to Discourse for debian-user
(a community of users for users by users) in the name of inclusiveness
and respectfulness (dixit Steve M.) that expressly does *not* include (and
therefore cannot rightfully respect) debian-users in the decisional
discourse, who had to rely on a heads up by Reco to abruptly discover we
had a King who fails to consult his subjects.

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#221483

FromAndrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com>
Date2020-04-14 10:20 +0200
Message-ID<zVoXv-1FM-7@gated-at.bofh.it>
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On Ma, 14 apr 20, 07:57:50, Curt wrote:
> 
> As Brian P. has already sort of implied, some might find it hard to
> believe in the total sincerity of a change to Discourse for debian-user
> (a community of users for users by users) in the name of inclusiveness
> and respectfulness (dixit Steve M.) that expressly does *not* include (and
> therefore cannot rightfully respect) debian-users in the decisional
> discourse, who had to rely on a heads up by Reco to abruptly discover we
> had a King who fails to consult his subjects.
 
In my opinion you are making more out of it than it is. Nothing was 
decided and the Discourse instance is just a test (hence the debian.net 
domain) which may as well fail.

Besides, if you care about things like this you should subscribe to the 
relevant mailing list (in this case -project).

Kind regards,
Andrei
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#221501

FromSven Hartge <sven@svenhartge.de>
Date2020-04-14 13:30 +0200
Message-ID<zVrVn-3rS-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#221479
Curt <curty@free.fr> wrote:
> On 2020-04-13, Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> wrote:
>> On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 18:33:13 -0000 (UTC) Curt <curty@free.fr> wrote:

>>> There could be a channel to connect the pools
>>
>> There have, in the past existed gateways between mailing lists and usenet
>> newsgroups.  They worked well, for the most part.

> I'm using one at this very moment.

Same here, reading via tin in my local INN2 pulled via Gmane.

But gatewaying between Mail and Usenet was always easier, because both
use the same base RfC to describe the message format and the (initial)
social way of replying (shunning top-quotes, etc.) between Mail and
Usenet was largely the same.

On the other side, gatewaying between different platforms, for example a
Web forum that does not support threading and a mailinglist is much much
harder to do right, let alone the social differences between most forums
and mailinglist.

S!

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#221507

FromBrad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk>
Date2020-04-14 14:10 +0200
Message-ID<zVsy6-3UO-17@gated-at.bofh.it>
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On Tue, 14 Apr 2020 13:24:14 +0200
Sven Hartge <sven@svenhartge.de> wrote:

Hello Sven,

>> On 2020-04-13, Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> wrote:  
>>> There have, in the past existed gateways between mailing lists and
>>> usenet newsgroups.  They worked well, for the most part.  
>> I'm using one at this very moment.  
>Same here, reading via tin in my local INN2 pulled via Gmane.

Okay, I'll change my statement;

There exist gateways between mailing lists and usenet newsgroups.  They
work well, for the most part.

;-D

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#221510

FromBrad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk>
Date2020-04-14 14:10 +0200
Message-ID<zVsy6-3UO-23@gated-at.bofh.it>
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On Tue, 14 Apr 2020 07:57:50 -0000 (UTC)
Curt <curty@free.fr> wrote:

Hello Curt,

>As Brian P. has already sort of implied, some might find it hard to
>believe in the total sincerity of a change to Discourse for debian-user
>(a community of users for users by users) in the name of inclusiveness

Well, quite.  If a move to Discourse were made, I'd not follow, that's
for sure.

Certainly, discourse has advantages - *for the moderators*.  For every
one else - not so much.

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#221442

FromMichael Howard <mike@dewberryfields.co.uk>
Date2020-04-13 21:40 +0200
Message-ID<zVd66-2jg-9@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#221431
On 13/04/2020 19:18, Sven Hartge wrote:
> Michael Howard <mike@dewberryfields.co.uk> wrote:
>> On 13/04/2020 17:49, John Hasler wrote:
>>> Michael Howard writes:
>>>> In your opinion. Total rubbish in my opinion. Far better to have
>>>> more channels open than just one where possible.
>>> Not when the channels connect to different pools.
>> Sorry, which different pools are you refering to?
> Different pools of people.
>
>

Ah, Us & Them, of course.

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#221443

FromBrian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk>
Date2020-04-13 21:50 +0200
Message-ID<zVdfH-2mI-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#221442
On Mon 13 Apr 2020 at 20:33:59 +0100, Michael Howard wrote:

> On 13/04/2020 19:18, Sven Hartge wrote:
>
> > Different pools of people.
> > 
> > 
> 
> Ah, Us & Them, of course.

This is entirely the incorrect way of looking at it. There are different
groups of people with different needs. They can be served in different
ways. All the ways are legitimate.

-- 
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#221446

FromFelix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net>
Date2020-04-13 22:00 +0200
Message-ID<zVdpo-2qg-11@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#221443
Brian composed on 2020-04-13 20:40 (UTC+0100):

> On Mon 13 Apr 2020 at 20:33:59 +0100, Michael Howard wrote:

>> Sven Hartge wrote:

>>> Different pools of people.

>> Ah, Us & Them, of course.

> This is entirely the incorrect way of looking at it. There are different
> groups of people with different needs. They can be served in different
> ways. All the ways are legitimate.

Splintering into multiple pools means a question can be asked in a pool from which
no answer will be provided because the needed answer comes but from one source
which lives only in a different pool. The openSUSE mailing lists are like this,
far too much list specialization/too many lists, and too many questions with no
answers.
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#221445

FromJohn Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com>
Date2020-04-13 22:00 +0200
Message-ID<zVdpo-2qg-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#221442
Michael Howard writes:
> Ah, Us & Them, of course.

No not "Us & Them".  Two groups of people such that the members of one
interact mostly with other members of their group and not very much with
members of the other.  This soon leads to "Us & Them" behavior by
members of both groups.
-- 
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jhasler@newsguy.com
Elmwood, WI USA

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#221451

FromDan Purgert <dan@djph.net>
Date2020-04-13 22:10 +0200
Message-ID<zVdz4-2IU-13@gated-at.bofh.it>
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On Apr 13, 2020, Michael Howard wrote:
> On 13/04/2020 19:18, Sven Hartge wrote:
> > Michael Howard <mike@dewberryfields.co.uk> wrote:
> > > On 13/04/2020 17:49, John Hasler wrote:
> > > > Michael Howard writes:
> > > > > In your opinion. Total rubbish in my opinion. Far better to have
> > > > > more channels open than just one where possible.
> > > > Not when the channels connect to different pools.
> > > Sorry, which different pools are you refering to?
> > Different pools of people.
> 
> Ah, Us & Them, of course.

Not necessarily.  More like that communication tends to fall apart when
there are multiple methods of communication.

Take this entirely anecdotal situation that happened to us this year:

 - most of the family is on facebook / email, so sent them an electronic
   invitation to a Christmas party

 - one aunt doesnt, so we mailed out a card.

Got told after Thanksgiving that aunt felt left out as people were
talking about it over that holiday (our party is early / mid-december;
well before "office parties" and the like). Called her up, and it turned
out she never got the invitation.


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#221455

FromSven Hartge <sven@svenhartge.de>
Date2020-04-13 22:40 +0200
Message-ID<zVe25-2SF-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#221451
Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> wrote:

> Not necessarily.  More like that communication tends to fall apart when
> there are multiple methods of communication.

> Take this entirely anecdotal situation that happened to us this year:

>  - most of the family is on facebook / email, so sent them an electronic
>    invitation to a Christmas party

>  - one aunt doesnt, so we mailed out a card.

> Got told after Thanksgiving that aunt felt left out as people were
> talking about it over that holiday (our party is early / mid-december;
> well before "office parties" and the like). Called her up, and it
> turned out she never got the invitation.

Same example from my circle of friends and aquaintances:

 - some use WhatsApp
 - some use Facebook
 - some use Mail (like me)

There is a bit of overlap between the first two and nearly everyone in
the first two groups also has a mail account, but interestingly not all.

What now happens if some activitiv is planned depends on in which group
initator is, that is the circle that mostly plans and decides stuff, and
then maybe some time later, this is also relayed through the other
channels.

And as you might imagine, this creates failures in commication, for
example a BBQ was planned, but only the WhatsApp-People and some
Facebookies where there, because the Mail-Guys got the message far too
late.

Or in the other direction, a game evening was planned via mail, but
nobody relayed that to the people who don't read their mail account
daily.

Etc. Etc.

10 years ago, WhatsApp didn't exist (OK, it came out in 2009, but in
2010 nobody was using it) and only email was used in our group and those
kind of problems didn't exist, because only one communications channel
was used.

Grüße,
Sven.

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#221478

FromAndrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com>
Date2020-04-14 09:40 +0200
Message-ID<zVokO-1d1-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
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On Lu, 13 apr 20, 22:38:11, Sven Hartge wrote:
> 
> Same example from my circle of friends and aquaintances:
> 
>  - some use WhatsApp
>  - some use Facebook
>  - some use Mail (like me)

https://xkcd.com/1782/

Kind regards,
Andrei
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#221500

FromSven Hartge <sven@svenhartge.de>
Date2020-04-14 13:20 +0200
Message-ID<zVrLI-3oI-11@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#221478
Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Lu, 13 apr 20, 22:38:11, Sven Hartge wrote:
 
>> Same example from my circle of friends and aquaintances:
>> 
>>  - some use WhatsApp
>>  - some use Facebook
>>  - some use Mail (like me)

> https://xkcd.com/1782/

Yes.

S!

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#221432

FromMichael Howard <mike@dewberryfields.co.uk>
Date2020-04-13 20:20 +0200
Message-ID<zVbQB-1Cr-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#221424
On 13/04/2020 17:49, John Hasler wrote:
> Michael Howard writes:
>> In your opinion. Total rubbish in my opinion. Far better to have more
>> channels open than just one where possible.
> Not when the channels connect to different pools.

Sorry, which different pools are you refering to?

-- 
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#221439

FromDan Purgert <dan@djph.net>
Date2020-04-13 21:40 +0200
Message-ID<zVd66-2jg-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
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On Apr 13, 2020, Sven Hartge wrote:
> Nate Bargmann <n0nb@n0nb.us> wrote:
> 
> [...]
> And I've also witnissed this in other contexts, be it in an Enterprise
> setup (where one group flocks to Confluence and the other stay in the
> mailinglist) or a MMO guild, where one group prefers to converse in
> Teamspeak and the other uses the forum.

forum-only people are filthy casuals and should be shown the door :)

> 
> In all cases it lead to rifts and problems down the line.
> 
> As hard as it is, one should commit to *one* communications channel and
> only one, as to not create parallel "societies".

In the groups I've been in, it was always that a formal discussion (e.g.
a quarterly state-of-the group / planning session), if held on
teamspeak,  was recapped on the most permanent thing -- that is, the
forums/mailinglist/etc.

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#221453

FromSven Hartge <sven@svenhartge.de>
Date2020-04-13 22:30 +0200
Message-ID<zVdSq-2Pn-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#221439
Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> wrote:
> On Apr 13, 2020, Sven Hartge wrote:

>> And I've also witnissed this in other contexts, be it in an
>> Enterprise setup (where one group flocks to Confluence and the other
>> stay in the mailinglist) or a MMO guild, where one group prefers to
>> converse in Teamspeak and the other uses the forum.

> forum-only people are filthy casuals and should be shown the door :)

Well, no. In my experience it always depends on what medium was first.
This one will have the most experienced users. Everything coming later
will most likely having a harder time getting (fully) integrated.

Again, in my experience, YMMV.

>> In all cases it lead to rifts and problems down the line.
>> 
>> As hard as it is, one should commit to *one* communications channel
>> and only one, as to not create parallel "societies".

> In the groups I've been in, it was always that a formal discussion
> (e.g.  a quarterly state-of-the group / planning session), if held on
> teamspeak,  was recapped on the most permanent thing -- that is, the
> forums/mailinglist/etc.

Different subject here. Sure, you want to have the meeting minutes and
the decisions from the meeting somewhere to be referred to, be it a
website, a forum, a mailinglist (which feeds into an archive, which is
most times a website again).

But that comes *after* the fact, after the discussion and the decision
has been made.

In your example, everyone not participating in the meeting in TS is cut
off and only gets to read it in the minutes.

There was no live TS-to-IRC/forum transcriber active at the meeting and
nobody that read the IRC channel/forum back to the TS to get the other
people involved directyly.

What I am saying here is that by having multiple channels of
communication you naturally get different groups of people in them which
tend to drift apart sooner or later, because each group isn't
represented in the other media. And then you get the "forum casuals"
against the "mailinglist greybeards" against the "IRC noobs" in the end.

I can see why the GNOME people choose to close all other communication
channels and focus on one and only one: to avoid splintering the
community. 

That by doing so they may have lost some members who absolutely didn't
want to use the new way of communicating and if they anticipated and
went with it anyways I can't say from the outside.

And I am also not saying that the way Debian does it up until now is set
in stone and can't be changed, because "that is the way we have always
done it!" is seldom a good argument.

Just that one should be careful and look at all the angles before making
a decision.

Grüße,
Sven.

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#221456

FromDan Purgert <dan@djph.net>
Date2020-04-13 22:40 +0200
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On Apr 13, 2020, Sven Hartge wrote:
> Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> wrote:
> > On Apr 13, 2020, Sven Hartge wrote:
> 
> >> And I've also witnissed this in other contexts, be it in an
> >> Enterprise setup (where one group flocks to Confluence and the other
> >> stay in the mailinglist) or a MMO guild, where one group prefers to
> >> converse in Teamspeak and the other uses the forum.
> 
> > forum-only people are filthy casuals and should be shown the door :)
> 
> Well, no. In my experience it always depends on what medium was first.
> This one will have the most experienced users. Everything coming later
> will most likely having a harder time getting (fully) integrated.

I was specifically taking the reference of your guild / mmo context.  In
my case, we would always spin up both a forum and TS (or the experienced
were always on both). In fact, I think a forum account was more often
than not required in order to even get on TS in the first place.

TS was basically *required* while in a big engagement though.  If you
weren't on TS, you weren't in the raid / fleet / whatever the game at
hand called it. 

> 
> Again, in my experience, YMMV.
> 
> >> In all cases it lead to rifts and problems down the line.
> >> 
> >> As hard as it is, one should commit to *one* communications channel
> >> and only one, as to not create parallel "societies".
> 
> > In the groups I've been in, it was always that a formal discussion
> > (e.g.  a quarterly state-of-the group / planning session), if held on
> > teamspeak,  was recapped on the most permanent thing -- that is, the
> > forums/mailinglist/etc.
> 
> Different subject here. Sure, you want to have the meeting minutes and
> the decisions from the meeting somewhere to be referred to, be it a
> website, a forum, a mailinglist (which feeds into an archive, which is
> most times a website again).
> 
> But that comes *after* the fact, after the discussion and the decision
> has been made.
> 
> In your example, everyone not participating in the meeting in TS is cut
> off and only gets to read it in the minutes.

Well, TS or ingame chat or whatever "realtime medium" was used.  To be
fair though; it's been like 10 years since I've been heavily involved in
MMOs, and I'm probably forgetting a bit.  I seem to recall that the
discussions were more just a realtime review of a longer-standing (say a
week?) forum thread to hammer out the issues people raised over that
time; and a bit of "what're we gonna do to make the game fun again for
our people". 

> 
> There was no live TS-to-IRC/forum transcriber active at the meeting and
> nobody that read the IRC channel/forum back to the TS to get the other
> people involved directyly.
> 
> What I am saying here is that by having multiple channels of
> communication you naturally get different groups of people in them which
> tend to drift apart sooner or later, because each group isn't
> represented in the other media. And then you get the "forum casuals"
> against the "mailinglist greybeards" against the "IRC noobs" in the end.

I don't think anyone is disagreeing with that idea :)


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