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| Started by | Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> |
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| First post | 2020-04-12 10:50 +0200 |
| Last post | 2020-04-30 05:10 +0200 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 196 — 39 participants |
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Debian is testing Discourse Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2020-04-12 10:50 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-04-12 11:00 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2020-04-12 11:30 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2020-04-12 11:50 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Eric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk> - 2020-04-16 13:00 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-04-12 11:00 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2020-04-12 11:10 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-04-12 11:20 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2020-04-12 11:30 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Eike Lantzsch <zp6cge@gmx.net> - 2020-04-12 15:30 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2020-04-12 17:40 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2020-04-12 18:00 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-04-12 15:30 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-04-12 15:40 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2020-04-12 15:50 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-04-12 16:40 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Steve McIntyre <steve@einval.com> - 2020-04-12 17:10 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Keith Christian <keith1christian@gmail.com> - 2020-04-12 16:00 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-04-12 16:30 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-04-12 17:10 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Nate Bargmann <n0nb@n0nb.us> - 2020-04-12 18:00 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Ihor Antonov <ihor@antonovs.family> - 2020-04-12 21:10 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-04-13 09:20 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2020-04-13 21:40 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-04-14 09:20 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2020-04-14 10:30 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-04-14 10:50 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2020-04-14 11:50 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-04-14 17:20 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2020-04-15 19:40 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2020-04-14 12:00 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse rhkramer@gmail.com - 2020-04-14 14:20 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2020-04-14 15:40 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2020-04-15 06:20 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse rhkramer@gmail.com - 2020-04-15 15:50 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2020-04-14 14:10 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2020-04-14 13:40 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2020-04-20 19:20 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2020-04-21 04:40 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2020-04-21 05:10 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2020-04-21 06:40 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-04-21 09:20 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Jonathan Dowland <jon+debian-user@dow.land> - 2020-04-21 12:20 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2020-04-21 21:10 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2020-04-23 00:50 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2020-04-23 08:40 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-04-23 09:10 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2020-04-23 21:30 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Marco Möller <talby@debianlists.mobilxpress.net> - 2020-04-23 23:50 +0200
Contributing to Debian documentation [was: Debian is testing Discourse] Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-04-24 09:50 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-04-23 14:00 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-04-23 14:30 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2020-04-23 20:50 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2020-04-23 21:10 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Daniel Barclay <danielbarclay.oss@gmail.com> - 2020-04-29 18:30 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-04-29 18:50 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2020-04-29 21:20 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Daniel Barclay <danielbarclay.oss@gmail.com> - 2020-05-07 20:30 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2020-05-07 21:40 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2020-04-23 20:20 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Jonathan Dowland <jon+debian-user@dow.land> - 2020-04-23 11:30 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2020-04-23 19:50 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-04-24 10:10 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2020-04-24 14:30 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2020-04-24 18:50 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse rhkramer@gmail.com - 2020-04-24 20:20 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2020-04-24 21:20 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Jonathan Dowland <jon+debian-user@dow.land> - 2020-04-27 16:00 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Ihor Antonov <ngor@antonovs.family> - 2020-04-21 06:40 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2020-04-21 08:20 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-04-12 11:00 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2020-04-12 14:10 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Michael Howard <mike@dewberryfields.co.uk> - 2020-04-12 14:40 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-04-12 15:30 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-04-12 15:50 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Keith Bainbridge <ke1th3216@zoho.com> - 2020-04-13 07:10 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2020-04-13 11:50 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2020-04-13 13:40 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse nito@dismail.de - 2020-04-12 15:50 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-04-12 17:20 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse nito@dismail.de - 2020-04-12 18:00 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Nate Bargmann <n0nb@n0nb.us> - 2020-04-12 17:40 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse john doe <johndoe65534@mail.com> - 2020-04-12 21:20 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2020-04-12 21:50 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Ihor Antonov <ihor@antonovs.family> - 2020-04-12 21:50 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Steve McIntyre <steve@einval.com> - 2020-04-13 03:40 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2020-04-13 06:40 +0200
Moderation (not!) [was: Debian is testing Discourse] <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-04-13 09:20 +0200
Re: Moderation (not!) [was: Debian is testing Discourse] Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2020-04-13 10:30 +0200
Re: Moderation (not!) [was: Debian is testing Discourse] <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-04-13 10:40 +0200
Re: Moderation (not!) [was: Debian is testing Discourse] Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-04-13 11:00 +0200
Re: Moderation (not!) [was: Debian is testing Discourse] Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2020-04-13 11:00 +0200
Re: Moderation (not!) [was: Debian is testing Discourse] <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-04-13 11:10 +0200
Re: Moderation (not!) [was: Debian is testing Discourse] Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2020-04-13 11:50 +0200
Re: Moderation (not!) [was: Debian is testing Discourse] Sven Hartge <sven@svenhartge.de> - 2020-04-13 18:00 +0200
Re: Moderation (not!) [was: Debian is testing Discourse] Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2020-04-13 22:10 +0200
Re: Moderation (not!) [was: Debian is testing Discourse] Sven Hartge <sven@svenhartge.de> - 2020-04-13 22:20 +0200
Re: Moderation (not!) [was: Debian is testing Discourse] John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2020-04-13 15:30 +0200
Re: Moderation (not!) [was: Debian is testing Discourse] Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2020-04-13 15:30 +0200
Re: Moderation (not!) [was: Debian is testing Discourse] John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2020-04-13 17:40 +0200
Re: Moderation (not!) [was: Debian is testing Discourse] Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2020-04-13 22:10 +0200
Re: Moderation (not!) [was: Debian is testing Discourse] Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-04-14 09:30 +0200
Re: Moderation (not!) [was: Debian is testing Discourse] Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2020-04-14 14:20 +0200
Re: Moderation (not!) [was: Debian is testing Discourse] Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2020-04-13 11:00 +0200
Re: Moderation (not!) [was: Debian is testing Discourse] Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2020-04-13 13:40 +0200
Re: Moderation (not!) [was: Debian is testing Discourse] soyeomul@doraji.xyz (황병희) - 2020-04-14 05:10 +0200
Re: Moderation (not!) [was: Debian is testing Discourse] <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-04-14 10:20 +0200
Re: Moderation (not!) [was: Debian is testing Discourse] John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2020-04-13 15:10 +0200
Re: Moderation (not!) [was: Debian is testing Discourse] Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2020-04-13 15:50 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Tom Dial <tddial@comcast.net> - 2020-04-13 23:30 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2020-04-14 11:00 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2020-04-14 14:10 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2020-04-14 15:40 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Peter Ehlert <peter@sdi-baja.com> - 2020-04-14 16:20 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2020-04-14 17:00 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Carl Fink <carlf@panix.com> - 2020-04-14 17:30 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2020-04-14 18:40 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2020-04-14 19:10 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2020-04-14 20:10 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Sven Hartge <sven@svenhartge.de> - 2020-04-14 20:20 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2020-04-14 20:40 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2020-04-15 08:20 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-04-15 10:00 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2020-04-14 17:00 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2020-04-14 17:40 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-04-14 17:40 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-04-13 09:30 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-04-13 10:20 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-04-13 10:20 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-04-13 14:40 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Nate Bargmann <n0nb@n0nb.us> - 2020-04-13 14:40 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2020-04-13 17:20 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Sven Hartge <sven@svenhartge.de> - 2020-04-13 18:10 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Michael Howard <mike@dewberryfields.co.uk> - 2020-04-13 18:20 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2020-04-13 18:50 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2020-04-13 19:00 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Sven Hartge <sven@svenhartge.de> - 2020-04-13 19:20 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Sven Hartge <sven@svenhartge.de> - 2020-04-13 20:20 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2020-04-13 20:40 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Sven Hartge <sven@svenhartge.de> - 2020-04-13 21:10 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2020-04-13 21:40 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2020-04-13 21:50 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2020-04-13 22:10 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2020-04-14 10:00 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-04-14 10:20 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Sven Hartge <sven@svenhartge.de> - 2020-04-14 13:30 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2020-04-14 14:10 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2020-04-14 14:10 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Michael Howard <mike@dewberryfields.co.uk> - 2020-04-13 21:40 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2020-04-13 21:50 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2020-04-13 22:00 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2020-04-13 22:00 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2020-04-13 22:10 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Sven Hartge <sven@svenhartge.de> - 2020-04-13 22:40 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-04-14 09:40 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Sven Hartge <sven@svenhartge.de> - 2020-04-14 13:20 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Michael Howard <mike@dewberryfields.co.uk> - 2020-04-13 20:20 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2020-04-13 21:40 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Sven Hartge <sven@svenhartge.de> - 2020-04-13 22:30 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2020-04-13 22:40 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Sven Hartge <sven@svenhartge.de> - 2020-04-13 23:00 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2020-04-14 02:00 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Nate Bargmann <n0nb@n0nb.us> - 2020-04-14 02:00 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Daniel Barclay <danielbarclay.oss@gmail.com> - 2020-04-29 19:00 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2020-04-29 20:20 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> - 2020-04-29 21:00 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-04-29 21:20 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2020-04-29 22:10 +0200
Postel's principle [was: Debian is testing Discourse] <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-04-29 22:20 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2020-04-30 00:00 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse rhkramer@gmail.com - 2020-04-30 02:10 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse rhkramer@gmail.com - 2020-04-30 00:00 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Daniel Barclay <danielbarclay.oss@gmail.com> - 2020-05-07 20:30 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2020-05-07 22:10 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2020-04-13 18:50 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2020-04-13 19:20 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2020-04-13 19:20 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Kenneth Parker <sea7kenp@gmail.com> - 2020-04-14 02:20 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2020-04-14 02:50 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Kenneth Parker <sea7kenp@gmail.com> - 2020-04-14 03:40 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2020-04-14 04:00 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2020-04-14 12:00 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2020-04-14 14:10 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2020-04-14 14:30 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2020-04-14 15:30 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2020-04-14 16:20 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Michael Howard <mike@dewberryfields.co.uk> - 2020-04-13 20:20 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2020-04-13 20:30 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Glenn Holmer <glenn.holmer@gmail.com> - 2020-04-14 16:50 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Nate Bargmann <n0nb@n0nb.us> - 2020-04-23 01:50 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Daniel Barclay <danielbarclay.oss@gmail.com> - 2020-04-29 19:10 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-04-29 19:20 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Daniel Barclay <danielbarclay.oss@gmail.com> - 2020-04-29 21:10 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-04-30 07:20 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2020-04-29 21:30 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Nate Bargmann <n0nb@n0nb.us> - 2020-04-30 05:10 +0200
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| From | Sven Hartge <sven@svenhartge.de> |
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| Date | 2020-04-13 23:00 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <zVels-2ZG-9@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #221456 |
Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> wrote: > On Apr 13, 2020, Sven Hartge wrote: >> Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> wrote: >>> On Apr 13, 2020, Sven Hartge wrote: >>>> And I've also witnissed this in other contexts, be it in an >>>> Enterprise setup (where one group flocks to Confluence and the >>>> other stay in the mailinglist) or a MMO guild, where one group >>>> prefers to converse in Teamspeak and the other uses the forum. >>> forum-only people are filthy casuals and should be shown the door :) >> >> Well, no. In my experience it always depends on what medium was >> first. This one will have the most experienced users. Everything >> coming later will most likely having a harder time getting (fully) >> integrated. > I was specifically taking the reference of your guild / mmo context. > In my case, we would always spin up both a forum and TS (or the > experienced were always on both). In fact, I think a forum account was > more often than not required in order to even get on TS in the first > place. Even more if you tied the TS server to the forum account, yes. > TS was basically *required* while in a big engagement though. If you > weren't on TS, you weren't in the raid / fleet / whatever the game at > hand called it. I think the TS/Mumble vs. Forum comparison is flawed here, it was unwise of me to bring this to the table, because both serve completely different use-cases in most cases. Comparing a mailinglist with a forum, as in fact the thread is about, is more apt. Grüße, Sven -- Sigmentation fault. Core dumped.
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| From | Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> |
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| Date | 2020-04-14 02:00 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <zVh9D-4NV-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #221457 |
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On Apr 13, 2020, Sven Hartge wrote: > Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> wrote: >> [...] > > TS was basically *required* while in a big engagement though. If you > > weren't on TS, you weren't in the raid / fleet / whatever the game at > > hand called it. > > I think the TS/Mumble vs. Forum comparison is flawed here, it was unwise > of me to bring this to the table, because both serve completely > different use-cases in most cases. Honestly, you're not that far off the mark though -- for those groups that didn't force TS/Mumble, those of us who would go between both as necessary would see the divergence of the group into "the forum people" and "the speech people". -- |_|O|_| |_|_|O| Github: https://github.com/dpurgert |O|O|O| PGP: 05CA 9A50 3F2E 1335 4DC5 4AEE 8E11 DDF3 1279 A281
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| From | Nate Bargmann <n0nb@n0nb.us> |
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| Date | 2020-04-14 02:00 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <zVh9E-4NV-9@gated-at.bofh.it> |
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* On 2020 13 Apr 15:27 -0500, Sven Hartge wrote: > What I am saying here is that by having multiple channels of > communication you naturally get different groups of people in them which > tend to drift apart sooner or later, because each group isn't > represented in the other media. And then you get the "forum casuals" > against the "mailinglist greybeards" against the "IRC noobs" in the end. So, we need one more silo to contain them all? Insert obligatory XKCD here as I'm sure is one that applies. > I can see why the GNOME people choose to close all other communication > channels and focus on one and only one: to avoid splintering the > community. > > That by doing so they may have lost some members who absolutely didn't > want to use the new way of communicating and if they anticipated and > went with it anyways I can't say from the outside. They certainly did lose users. It seems the GTK subreddit is active as a result and probably some Web forums, unrelated mailing lists elsewhere and maybe even some Usenet group. If Free Software, Linux, and the entire software ecosystem we enjoy should have taught us anything it is that it is impossible to contain everything in a single silo. Considering the breadth of topics on this list over the years and the topics of all the other Debian lists, not all of this can possibly thrown into a single Discourse silo with only tagging to provide any separation, can it? The scope of the Gnome project is much smaller but still large enough that I don't find their Discourse implementation to be all that friendly (in terms of Discourse and their chosen layout, not the people involved) and I've been around plenty of Web forums over the past couple of decades. Every approach, Usenet, mailing lists, Web forums, Reddits, et. al. has a certain amount of onboarding/learning curve. If you don't have separate topic-based implementations of the preceding and think that everything can be done with tags, the segregation will still exist as those interested in a certain topic will only search for certain tags and thus an improperly tagged post may still be ignored. This is how I see Gnome's Discourse working, for some definition of working. - Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Web: https://www.n0nb.us Projects: https://github.com/N0NB GPG fingerprint: 82D6 4F6B 0E67 CD41 F689 BBA6 FB2C 5130 D55A 8819
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| From | Daniel Barclay <danielbarclay.oss@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2020-04-29 19:00 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <A0YdY-3dC-7@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #221417 |
Sven Hartge wrote: > ... > > As Russ noted in > https://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2020/04/msg00103.html in 3) > "... more comfortable with forums than with email. [...]" > ... How do people not understand that the word "forum" does not exclude e-mail or even non-digital communication (that "forum" does not mean only a web-based forum)? (It's like thinking "turf" means "artificial turf"--as did some local newscasters who reported that some schools were changing their athletic fields from turf back to grass. Huh?) Daniel
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| From | Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> |
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| Date | 2020-04-29 20:20 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <A0Ztn-49R-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #222099 |
Daniel Barclay wrote: > Sven Hartge wrote: > > ... > > > > As Russ noted in > > https://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2020/04/msg00103.html in 3) > > "... more comfortable with forums than with email. [...]" > > ... > > > How do people not understand that the word "forum" does not exclude e-mail > or even non-digital communication (that "forum" does not mean only a > web-based forum)? > > (It's like thinking "turf" means "artificial turf"--as did some local > newscasters who reported that some schools were changing their athletic > fields from turf back to grass. Huh?) Yes, but you need to recognize that people morph words badly even as you refuse to warp their meanings yourself. -dsr-
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| From | The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> |
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| Date | 2020-04-29 21:00 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <A1065-4po-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #222109 |
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On 2020-04-29 at 14:10, Dan Ritter wrote: > Daniel Barclay wrote: > >> Sven Hartge wrote: >>> ... >>> >>> As Russ noted in >>> https://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2020/04/msg00103.html in >>> 3) "... more comfortable with forums than with email. [...]" ... >> >> How do people not understand that the word "forum" does not exclude >> e-mail or even non-digital communication (that "forum" does not >> mean only a web-based forum)? >> >> (It's like thinking "turf" means "artificial turf"--as did some >> local newscasters who reported that some schools were changing >> their athletic fields from turf back to grass. Huh?) > > Yes, but you need to recognize that people morph words badly even as > you refuse to warp their meanings yourself. A longstanding principle of good software design: "be conservative in what you emit, and liberal in what you consume". In some such set of words or another. -- The Wanderer The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw
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| From | <tomas@tuxteam.de> |
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| Date | 2020-04-29 21:20 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <A10ps-4LB-19@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #222113 |
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On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 02:54:42PM -0400, The Wanderer wrote: [...] > A longstanding principle of good software design: "be conservative in > what you emit, and liberal in what you consume". In some such set of > words or another. This would be Postel's principle -- and this gentleman was especially interested in Internet protocols... but I get the idea. I do subscribe to this principle, at least in general, but to be fair, there are smart folks out there who do not. Cheers -- t
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| From | Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> |
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| Date | 2020-04-29 22:10 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <A11bP-5hY-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
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tomas@tuxteam.de (12020-04-29): > This would be Postel's principle -- and this gentleman was especially > interested in Internet protocols... but I get the idea. But to be realistic, Postel's principle, even if it was thought for protocols rather than human relationships, is much more relevant for human relationships than for protocols. Indeed, for protocols, being liberal in what they accept has let crappy implementation with idiotic variations to appear, and now we are stuck having to support them until the end of time. Much better to have protocols and implementations that are very strict. Indeed, modern protocols are stricter than old ones. Regards, -- Nicolas George
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| From | <tomas@tuxteam.de> |
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| Date | 2020-04-29 22:20 +0200 |
| Subject | Postel's principle [was: Debian is testing Discourse] |
| Message-ID | <A11lv-5l6-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #222121 |
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On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 10:08:02PM +0200, Nicolas George wrote: > tomas@tuxteam.de (12020-04-29): > > This would be Postel's principle -- and this gentleman was especially > > interested in Internet protocols... but I get the idea. > > But to be realistic, Postel's principle, even if it was thought for > protocols rather than human relationships, is much more relevant for > human relationships than for protocols. Absolutely. > Indeed, for protocols, being liberal in what they accept has let crappy > implementation [...] Yay! one example of "that other species" of smart folks who are not fans of Postel's principle :-) I still belong to the "other other species", those who rather adhere to Postel's principle. I don't know whether I am smart, though :) Cheers -- t
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| From | Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> |
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| Date | 2020-04-30 00:00 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <A12Ui-6aG-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #222099 |
On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 05:53:24PM -0400, rhkramer@gmail.com wrote: > What word would you suggest be used for the things that people do call forums > but excluding email / maillists? Web forums. Or Usenet, but I don't think you meant that.
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| From | rhkramer@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2020-04-30 02:10 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <A14W5-7AO-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #222132 |
Thanks! (Yes, I would exclude Usenet as well (I mean, I like Usenet, just like email better.)) On Wednesday, April 29, 2020 05:55:15 PM Greg Wooledge wrote: > Web forums. > > Or Usenet, but I don't think you meant that.
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| From | rhkramer@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2020-04-30 00:00 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <A12Ui-6aG-7@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #222099 |
On Wednesday, April 29, 2020 12:49:53 PM Daniel Barclay wrote: > How do people not understand that the word "forum" does not exclude e-mail > or even non-digital communication (that "forum" does not mean only a > web-based forum)? What word would you suggest be used for the things that people do call forums but excluding email / maillists? I feel the need to distinguish those -- I like email for communication, I don't like the web based things that are often called forums. > > (It's like thinking "turf" means "artificial turf"--as did some local > newscasters who reported that some schools were changing their athletic > fields from turf back to grass. Huh?)
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| From | Daniel Barclay <danielbarclay.oss@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2020-05-07 20:30 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <A3Trs-15h-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #222133 |
rhkramer@gmail.com wrote: > On Wednesday, April 29, 2020 12:49:53 PM Daniel Barclay wrote: >> How do people not understand that the word "forum" does not exclude e-mail >> or even non-digital communication (that "forum" does not mean only a >> web-based forum)? > > What word would you suggest be used for the things that people do call forums > but excluding email / maillists? I don't know of a single-word name, but "web forum" or "web-based forum" at least clarifies that it's not e-mail or whatever, and saying "xyx forum" implies that "forum" means something else (something more general). > I feel the need to distinguish those -- I like email for communication, I > don't like the web based things that are often called forums. Definitely. Daniel
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| From | Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2020-05-07 22:10 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <A3V0d-278-7@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #222286 |
On Thu 07 May 2020 at 14:28:12 -0400, Daniel Barclay wrote: > rhkramer@gmail.com wrote: > > On Wednesday, April 29, 2020 12:49:53 PM Daniel Barclay wrote: > > > How do people not understand that the word "forum" does not exclude e-mail > > > or even non-digital communication (that "forum" does not mean only a > > > web-based forum)? > > > > What word would you suggest be used for the things that people do call forums > > but excluding email / maillists? > > I don't know of a single-word name, but "web forum" or "web-based forum" > at least clarifies that it's not e-mail or whatever, and saying > "xyx forum" implies that "forum" means something else (something more general). > > > > I feel the need to distinguish those -- I like email for communication, I > > don't like the web based things that are often called forums. > > Definitely. Debian/Ubuntu/Mint forums provide focussed and helpful advice to users. Often better than the mailing list equivalents. They are are simply another strand in the thread of providing help. Ignoring them is naff. -- Brian.
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| From | Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> |
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| Date | 2020-04-13 18:50 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <zVarw-Dj-19@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #221386 |
Hi.
On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 07:32:56AM -0500, Nate Bargmann wrote:
> I doubt that Russ reads this list and may not be aware of the
> experiences of us that have dealt with a project that wholesale replaced
> working mailing lists with Discourse. Russ should be made aware that
> Discourse is not some magic software that does not require any learning.
That's I agree with.
> On the contrary, it is different and requires a modern Web browser (how
> does the non-GUI user participate since it is noted that an email user
> is a distant second-class user?) but as he notes it is a centralized
> database that facilitates an amount of control that is lacking with
> email lists. I think that the key to the discussion is that some people
> seek greater control over discussions.
Moreover, it brings two interesting aspects of the problem:
1) By its design the Discourse relies on Javascript executing in user's
browser. While Discourse itself may be the free software, such usage of
Discourse violates Software Freedom 1 ("change it so it does your
computing as you wish").
2) Centralization vs federation.
By its very design e-mail is de-centralized, and it allowed it to
successfully function for about 40 years.
Moreover, such decentralization actually empowers the end user (i.e. all
of us), because "your MTA - your rules".
But Discourse is centralized, and while I trust Debian project to make
the OS that I use daily (and strongly prefer to others), this move
strips end users of that limited power that they have here, at
debian-user.
> If the project wants to implement Discourse as an adjunct to existing
> communications channels, fine, I've no problem with that.
I don't feel easy while reminding it (), but Debian project has its
share of proposing alternatives (GNOME vs XFCE, systemd vs upstart vs
sysvinit for instance), which somehow ended with the majority of the
users using only one alternative.
And note that there were totally objective reasons for that, and users
were left with the final choice. Just like this time.
Reco
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| From | Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2020-04-13 19:20 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <zVaUx-12R-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #221422 |
On Mon 13 Apr 2020 at 19:41:15 +0300, Reco wrote:
> Hi.
>
> On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 07:32:56AM -0500, Nate Bargmann wrote:
> > I doubt that Russ reads this list and may not be aware of the
> > experiences of us that have dealt with a project that wholesale replaced
> > working mailing lists with Discourse. Russ should be made aware that
> > Discourse is not some magic software that does not require any learning.
>
> That's I agree with.
>
>
> > On the contrary, it is different and requires a modern Web browser (how
> > does the non-GUI user participate since it is noted that an email user
> > is a distant second-class user?) but as he notes it is a centralized
> > database that facilitates an amount of control that is lacking with
> > email lists. I think that the key to the discussion is that some people
> > seek greater control over discussions.
>
> Moreover, it brings two interesting aspects of the problem:
>
> 1) By its design the Discourse relies on Javascript executing in user's
> browser. While Discourse itself may be the free software, such usage of
> Discourse violates Software Freedom 1 ("change it so it does your
> computing as you wish").
I understand the concern with Javascript. I have read what there is of
Discourse using Lynx. Am I missing out an anything?
--
Brian.
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| From | Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> |
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| Date | 2020-04-13 19:20 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <zVaUx-12R-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #221427 |
On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 06:09:59PM +0100, Brian wrote:
> > > On the contrary, it is different and requires a modern Web browser (how
> > > does the non-GUI user participate since it is noted that an email user
> > > is a distant second-class user?) but as he notes it is a centralized
> > > database that facilitates an amount of control that is lacking with
> > > email lists. I think that the key to the discussion is that some people
> > > seek greater control over discussions.
> >
> > Moreover, it brings two interesting aspects of the problem:
> >
> > 1) By its design the Discourse relies on Javascript executing in user's
> > browser. While Discourse itself may be the free software, such usage of
> > Discourse violates Software Freedom 1 ("change it so it does your
> > computing as you wish").
>
> I understand the concern with Javascript. I have read what there is of
> Discourse using Lynx. Am I missing out an anything?
Wow. Just wow. Thank you for the idea.
I confirm that it's enough to use any text-based browser (be it lynx,
links or w3m) to read, say, discourse.mozilla.org.
Cannot comment if it's possible to participate there with these fine
browsers (the answers is probably "no"), but it's a start.
Reco
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| From | Kenneth Parker <sea7kenp@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2020-04-14 02:20 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <zVhsZ-59K-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
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On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 1:15 PM Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 06:09:59PM +0100, Brian wrote:
> > > > On the contrary, it is different and requires a modern Web browser
> (how
> > > > does the non-GUI user participate since it is noted that an email
> user
> > > > is a distant second-class user?) but as he notes it is a centralized
> > > > database that facilitates an amount of control that is lacking with
> > > > email lists. I think that the key to the discussion is that some
> people
> > > > seek greater control over discussions.
> > >
> > > Moreover, it brings two interesting aspects of the problem:
> > >
> > > 1) By its design the Discourse relies on Javascript executing in user's
> > > browser. While Discourse itself may be the free software, such usage of
> > > Discourse violates Software Freedom 1 ("change it so it does your
> > > computing as you wish").
> >
> > I understand the concern with Javascript. I have read what there is of
> > Discourse using Lynx. Am I missing out an anything?
>
> Wow. Just wow. Thank you for the idea.
> I confirm that it's enough to use any text-based browser (be it lynx,
> links or w3m) to read, say, discourse.mozilla.org.
> Cannot comment if it's possible to participate there with these fine
> browsers (the answers is probably "no"), but it's a start.
>
Okay. I have a Text only Server (due to a Mouse issue with our Kindred
Distro, Devuan), and so put this to the test.
First, w3m apparently doesn't do Redirects, instead, giving the short page,
*describing* the Redirect to come. (I remember these from using wget).
However, I got a good page, using lynx. (Hard to read, as I'm sure the
Pictures describe a lot of what Discourse is trying to do). And it was
amusing to see the bottom of the page, with the message: "Powered by
Discourse, best viewed with Javascript enabled".
So, at least with Lynx, the page will load without Javascript.
On a Laptop of mine, I have an old version of Firefox, with the "NoScript"
add-on. I wonder how it would work there. If I find out anything good,
I'll check back in.
Thank you!
Kenneth Parker
>
> Reco
>
>
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| From | John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> |
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| Date | 2020-04-14 02:50 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <zVhW1-5jl-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #221466 |
Kenneth Parker writes: > On a Laptop of mine, I have an old version of Firefox, with the > "NoScript" add-on. I wonder how it would work there. Works ok for a casual test. I have no acount so I have no idea how it would work for posting, though. "Works best with Javascript" could turn into "Requires Javascript" from one release to the next, though. -- John Hasler jhasler@newsguy.com Elmwood, WI USA
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| From | Kenneth Parker <sea7kenp@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2020-04-14 03:40 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <zViIq-5Oo-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #221468 |
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On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 8:44 PM John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> wrote: > Kenneth Parker writes: > > On a Laptop of mine, I have an old version of Firefox, with the > > "NoScript" add-on. I wonder how it would work there. > > Works ok for a casual test. I have no acount so I have no idea how it > would work for posting, though. > Same for me. (The Firefox-ESR was the "current" version for Debian Jessie). "Works best with Javascript" could turn into "Requires Javascript" > from one release to the next, though. > True enough! But I want to test Discourse *with* Javascript, so that I understand the difference. My "safe test bed"? A Debian Buster Gnome Live-DVD, and *its* version of Firefox. Okay: *THAT* version of Discourse had about 3 or 4 times longer page than I remember without Javascript. So yes, Discourse is based, quite heavily on Javascript. So I would say that, since the "NoScript" version of Discourse was a Skeleton of a page, tells me that it "Requires Javascript". -- > John Hasler > jhasler@newsguy.com > Elmwood, WI USA > Thanks! Kenneth Parker
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