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Debian is testing Discourse

Started byReco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net>
First post2020-04-12 10:50 +0200
Last post2020-04-30 05:10 +0200
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  Debian is testing Discourse Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2020-04-12 10:50 +0200
    Re: Debian is testing Discourse <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-04-12 11:00 +0200
      Re: Debian is testing Discourse Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2020-04-12 11:30 +0200
      Re: Debian is testing Discourse Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2020-04-12 11:50 +0200
      Re: Debian is testing Discourse Eric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk> - 2020-04-16 13:00 +0200
    Re: Debian is testing Discourse <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-04-12 11:00 +0200
      Re: Debian is testing Discourse Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2020-04-12 11:10 +0200
        Re: Debian is testing Discourse <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-04-12 11:20 +0200
          Re: Debian is testing Discourse Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2020-04-12 11:30 +0200
          Re: Debian is testing Discourse Eike Lantzsch <zp6cge@gmx.net> - 2020-04-12 15:30 +0200
            Re: Debian is testing Discourse Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2020-04-12 17:40 +0200
              Re: Debian is testing Discourse Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2020-04-12 18:00 +0200
          Re: Debian is testing Discourse Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-04-12 15:30 +0200
        Re: Debian is testing Discourse Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-04-12 15:40 +0200
          Re: Debian is testing Discourse Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2020-04-12 15:50 +0200
            Re: Debian is testing Discourse Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-04-12 16:40 +0200
            Re: Debian is testing Discourse Steve McIntyre <steve@einval.com> - 2020-04-12 17:10 +0200
          Re: Debian is testing Discourse Keith Christian <keith1christian@gmail.com> - 2020-04-12 16:00 +0200
            Re: Debian is testing Discourse <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-04-12 16:30 +0200
              Re: Debian is testing Discourse Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-04-12 17:10 +0200
                Re: Debian is testing Discourse Nate Bargmann <n0nb@n0nb.us> - 2020-04-12 18:00 +0200
                  Re: Debian is testing Discourse Ihor Antonov <ihor@antonovs.family> - 2020-04-12 21:10 +0200
                  Re: Debian is testing Discourse Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-04-13 09:20 +0200
                    Re: Debian is testing Discourse Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2020-04-13 21:40 +0200
                      Re: Debian is testing Discourse Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-04-14 09:20 +0200
                        Re: Debian is testing Discourse Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2020-04-14 10:30 +0200
                          Re: Debian is testing Discourse Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-04-14 10:50 +0200
                            Re: Debian is testing Discourse Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2020-04-14 11:50 +0200
                              Re: Debian is testing Discourse Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-04-14 17:20 +0200
                                Re: Debian is testing Discourse Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2020-04-15 19:40 +0200
                            Re: Debian is testing Discourse Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2020-04-14 12:00 +0200
                              Re: Debian is testing Discourse rhkramer@gmail.com - 2020-04-14 14:20 +0200
                                Re: Debian is testing Discourse Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2020-04-14 15:40 +0200
                                Re: Debian is testing Discourse Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2020-04-15 06:20 +0200
                                  Re: Debian is testing Discourse rhkramer@gmail.com - 2020-04-15 15:50 +0200
                            Re: Debian is testing Discourse Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2020-04-14 14:10 +0200
                        Re: Debian is testing Discourse Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2020-04-14 13:40 +0200
                        Re: Debian is testing Discourse Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2020-04-20 19:20 +0200
                          Re: Debian is testing Discourse David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2020-04-21 04:40 +0200
                            Re: Debian is testing Discourse Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2020-04-21 05:10 +0200
                              Re: Debian is testing Discourse David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2020-04-21 06:40 +0200
                                Re: Debian is testing Discourse <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-04-21 09:20 +0200
                                Re: Debian is testing Discourse Jonathan Dowland <jon+debian-user@dow.land> - 2020-04-21 12:20 +0200
                                  Re: Debian is testing Discourse Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2020-04-21 21:10 +0200
                                    Re: Debian is testing Discourse David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2020-04-23 00:50 +0200
                                      Re: Debian is testing Discourse deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2020-04-23 08:40 +0200
                                        Re: Debian is testing Discourse <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-04-23 09:10 +0200
                                          Re: Debian is testing Discourse deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2020-04-23 21:30 +0200
                                            Re: Debian is testing Discourse Marco Möller <talby@debianlists.mobilxpress.net> - 2020-04-23 23:50 +0200
                                              Contributing to Debian documentation [was: Debian is testing  Discourse] Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-04-24 09:50 +0200
                                      Re: Debian is testing Discourse Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-04-23 14:00 +0200
                                        Re: Debian is testing Discourse <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-04-23 14:30 +0200
                                          Re: Debian is testing Discourse Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2020-04-23 20:50 +0200
                                        Re: Debian is testing Discourse David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2020-04-23 21:10 +0200
                                        Re: Debian is testing Discourse Daniel Barclay <danielbarclay.oss@gmail.com> - 2020-04-29 18:30 +0200
                                          Re: Debian is testing Discourse Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-04-29 18:50 +0200
                                          Re: Debian is testing Discourse Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2020-04-29 21:20 +0200
                                            Re: Debian is testing Discourse Daniel Barclay <danielbarclay.oss@gmail.com> - 2020-05-07 20:30 +0200
                                              Re: Debian is testing Discourse Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2020-05-07 21:40 +0200
                                      Re: Debian is testing Discourse Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2020-04-23 20:20 +0200
                                    Re: Debian is testing Discourse Jonathan Dowland <jon+debian-user@dow.land> - 2020-04-23 11:30 +0200
                                      Re: Debian is testing Discourse Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2020-04-23 19:50 +0200
                                        Re: Debian is testing Discourse Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-04-24 10:10 +0200
                                          Re: Debian is testing Discourse Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2020-04-24 14:30 +0200
                                            Re: Debian is testing Discourse Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2020-04-24 18:50 +0200
                                              Re: Debian is testing Discourse rhkramer@gmail.com - 2020-04-24 20:20 +0200
                                                Re: Debian is testing Discourse Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2020-04-24 21:20 +0200
                                                  Re: Debian is testing Discourse Jonathan Dowland <jon+debian-user@dow.land> - 2020-04-27 16:00 +0200
                              Re: Debian is testing Discourse Ihor Antonov <ngor@antonovs.family> - 2020-04-21 06:40 +0200
                                Re: Debian is testing Discourse deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2020-04-21 08:20 +0200
    Re: Debian is testing Discourse Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-04-12 11:00 +0200
    Re: Debian is testing Discourse Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2020-04-12 14:10 +0200
      Re: Debian is testing Discourse Michael Howard <mike@dewberryfields.co.uk> - 2020-04-12 14:40 +0200
        Re: Debian is testing Discourse Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-04-12 15:30 +0200
      Re: Debian is testing Discourse <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-04-12 15:50 +0200
      Re: Debian is testing Discourse Keith Bainbridge <ke1th3216@zoho.com> - 2020-04-13 07:10 +0200
        Re: Debian is testing Discourse Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2020-04-13 11:50 +0200
        Re: Debian is testing Discourse Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2020-04-13 13:40 +0200
    Re: Debian is testing Discourse nito@dismail.de - 2020-04-12 15:50 +0200
      Re: Debian is testing Discourse Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-04-12 17:20 +0200
        Re: Debian is testing Discourse nito@dismail.de - 2020-04-12 18:00 +0200
    Re: Debian is testing Discourse Nate Bargmann <n0nb@n0nb.us> - 2020-04-12 17:40 +0200
    Re: Debian is testing Discourse john doe <johndoe65534@mail.com> - 2020-04-12 21:20 +0200
      Re: Debian is testing Discourse John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2020-04-12 21:50 +0200
        Re: Debian is testing Discourse Ihor Antonov <ihor@antonovs.family> - 2020-04-12 21:50 +0200
          Re: Debian is testing Discourse Steve McIntyre <steve@einval.com> - 2020-04-13 03:40 +0200
          Re: Debian is testing Discourse Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2020-04-13 06:40 +0200
            Moderation (not!) [was: Debian is testing Discourse] <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-04-13 09:20 +0200
              Re: Moderation (not!) [was: Debian is testing Discourse] Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2020-04-13 10:30 +0200
                Re: Moderation (not!) [was: Debian is testing Discourse] <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-04-13 10:40 +0200
                  Re: Moderation (not!) [was: Debian is testing Discourse] Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-04-13 11:00 +0200
                  Re: Moderation (not!) [was: Debian is testing Discourse] Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2020-04-13 11:00 +0200
                    Re: Moderation (not!) [was: Debian is testing Discourse] <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-04-13 11:10 +0200
                      Re: Moderation (not!) [was: Debian is testing Discourse] Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2020-04-13 11:50 +0200
                        Re: Moderation (not!) [was: Debian is testing Discourse] Sven Hartge <sven@svenhartge.de> - 2020-04-13 18:00 +0200
                          Re: Moderation (not!) [was: Debian is testing Discourse] Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2020-04-13 22:10 +0200
                            Re: Moderation (not!) [was: Debian is testing Discourse] Sven Hartge <sven@svenhartge.de> - 2020-04-13 22:20 +0200
                    Re: Moderation (not!) [was: Debian is testing Discourse] John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2020-04-13 15:30 +0200
                      Re: Moderation (not!) [was: Debian is testing Discourse] Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2020-04-13 15:30 +0200
                        Re: Moderation (not!) [was: Debian is testing Discourse] John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2020-04-13 17:40 +0200
                      Re: Moderation (not!) [was: Debian is testing Discourse] Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2020-04-13 22:10 +0200
                        Re: Moderation (not!) [was: Debian is testing Discourse] Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-04-14 09:30 +0200
                          Re: Moderation (not!) [was: Debian is testing Discourse] Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2020-04-14 14:20 +0200
                  Re: Moderation (not!) [was: Debian is testing Discourse] Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2020-04-13 11:00 +0200
                  Re: Moderation (not!) [was: Debian is testing Discourse] Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2020-04-13 13:40 +0200
                  Re: Moderation (not!) [was: Debian is testing Discourse] soyeomul@doraji.xyz (황병희) - 2020-04-14 05:10 +0200
                    Re: Moderation (not!) [was: Debian is testing Discourse] <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-04-14 10:20 +0200
              Re: Moderation (not!) [was: Debian is testing Discourse] John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2020-04-13 15:10 +0200
                Re: Moderation (not!) [was: Debian is testing Discourse] Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2020-04-13 15:50 +0200
            Re: Debian is testing Discourse Tom Dial <tddial@comcast.net> - 2020-04-13 23:30 +0200
              Re: Debian is testing Discourse Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2020-04-14 11:00 +0200
                Re: Debian is testing Discourse Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2020-04-14 14:10 +0200
                  Re: Debian is testing Discourse Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2020-04-14 15:40 +0200
                    Re: Debian is testing Discourse Peter Ehlert <peter@sdi-baja.com> - 2020-04-14 16:20 +0200
                      Re: Debian is testing Discourse Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2020-04-14 17:00 +0200
                        Re: Debian is testing Discourse Carl Fink <carlf@panix.com> - 2020-04-14 17:30 +0200
                          Re: Debian is testing Discourse Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2020-04-14 18:40 +0200
                            Re: Debian is testing Discourse John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2020-04-14 19:10 +0200
                              Re: Debian is testing Discourse Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2020-04-14 20:10 +0200
                                Re: Debian is testing Discourse Sven Hartge <sven@svenhartge.de> - 2020-04-14 20:20 +0200
                                Re: Debian is testing Discourse John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2020-04-14 20:40 +0200
                                  Re: Debian is testing Discourse Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2020-04-15 08:20 +0200
                                  Re: Debian is testing Discourse Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-04-15 10:00 +0200
                    Re: Debian is testing Discourse Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2020-04-14 17:00 +0200
                      Re: Debian is testing Discourse John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2020-04-14 17:40 +0200
                        Re: Debian is testing Discourse Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-04-14 17:40 +0200
    Re: Debian is testing Discourse Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-04-13 09:30 +0200
      Re: Debian is testing Discourse Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-04-13 10:20 +0200
      Re: Debian is testing Discourse <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-04-13 10:20 +0200
        Re: Debian is testing Discourse <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-04-13 14:40 +0200
        Re: Debian is testing Discourse Nate Bargmann <n0nb@n0nb.us> - 2020-04-13 14:40 +0200
          Re: Debian is testing Discourse Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2020-04-13 17:20 +0200
          Re: Debian is testing Discourse Sven Hartge <sven@svenhartge.de> - 2020-04-13 18:10 +0200
            Re: Debian is testing Discourse Michael Howard <mike@dewberryfields.co.uk> - 2020-04-13 18:20 +0200
              Re: Debian is testing Discourse John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2020-04-13 18:50 +0200
              Re: Debian is testing Discourse John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2020-04-13 19:00 +0200
                Re: Debian is testing Discourse Sven Hartge <sven@svenhartge.de> - 2020-04-13 19:20 +0200
                Re: Debian is testing Discourse Sven Hartge <sven@svenhartge.de> - 2020-04-13 20:20 +0200
                  Re: Debian is testing Discourse Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2020-04-13 20:40 +0200
                    Re: Debian is testing Discourse Sven Hartge <sven@svenhartge.de> - 2020-04-13 21:10 +0200
                      Re: Debian is testing Discourse Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2020-04-13 21:40 +0200
                    Re: Debian is testing Discourse Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2020-04-13 21:50 +0200
                    Re: Debian is testing Discourse Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2020-04-13 22:10 +0200
                      Re: Debian is testing Discourse Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2020-04-14 10:00 +0200
                        Re: Debian is testing Discourse Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-04-14 10:20 +0200
                        Re: Debian is testing Discourse Sven Hartge <sven@svenhartge.de> - 2020-04-14 13:30 +0200
                          Re: Debian is testing Discourse Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2020-04-14 14:10 +0200
                        Re: Debian is testing Discourse Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2020-04-14 14:10 +0200
                  Re: Debian is testing Discourse Michael Howard <mike@dewberryfields.co.uk> - 2020-04-13 21:40 +0200
                    Re: Debian is testing Discourse Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2020-04-13 21:50 +0200
                      Re: Debian is testing Discourse Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2020-04-13 22:00 +0200
                    Re: Debian is testing Discourse John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2020-04-13 22:00 +0200
                    Re: Debian is testing Discourse Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2020-04-13 22:10 +0200
                      Re: Debian is testing Discourse Sven Hartge <sven@svenhartge.de> - 2020-04-13 22:40 +0200
                        Re: Debian is testing Discourse Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-04-14 09:40 +0200
                          Re: Debian is testing Discourse Sven Hartge <sven@svenhartge.de> - 2020-04-14 13:20 +0200
                Re: Debian is testing Discourse Michael Howard <mike@dewberryfields.co.uk> - 2020-04-13 20:20 +0200
            Re: Debian is testing Discourse Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2020-04-13 21:40 +0200
              Re: Debian is testing Discourse Sven Hartge <sven@svenhartge.de> - 2020-04-13 22:30 +0200
                Re: Debian is testing Discourse Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2020-04-13 22:40 +0200
                  Re: Debian is testing Discourse Sven Hartge <sven@svenhartge.de> - 2020-04-13 23:00 +0200
                    Re: Debian is testing Discourse Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2020-04-14 02:00 +0200
                Re: Debian is testing Discourse Nate Bargmann <n0nb@n0nb.us> - 2020-04-14 02:00 +0200
            Re: Debian is testing Discourse Daniel Barclay <danielbarclay.oss@gmail.com> - 2020-04-29 19:00 +0200
              Re: Debian is testing Discourse Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2020-04-29 20:20 +0200
                Re: Debian is testing Discourse The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> - 2020-04-29 21:00 +0200
                  Re: Debian is testing Discourse <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-04-29 21:20 +0200
                    Re: Debian is testing Discourse Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2020-04-29 22:10 +0200
                      Postel's principle [was: Debian is testing Discourse] <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-04-29 22:20 +0200
              Re: Debian is testing Discourse Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2020-04-30 00:00 +0200
                Re: Debian is testing Discourse rhkramer@gmail.com - 2020-04-30 02:10 +0200
              Re: Debian is testing Discourse rhkramer@gmail.com - 2020-04-30 00:00 +0200
                Re: Debian is testing Discourse Daniel Barclay <danielbarclay.oss@gmail.com> - 2020-05-07 20:30 +0200
                  Re: Debian is testing Discourse Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2020-05-07 22:10 +0200
          Re: Debian is testing Discourse Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2020-04-13 18:50 +0200
            Re: Debian is testing Discourse Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2020-04-13 19:20 +0200
              Re: Debian is testing Discourse Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2020-04-13 19:20 +0200
                Re: Debian is testing Discourse Kenneth Parker <sea7kenp@gmail.com> - 2020-04-14 02:20 +0200
                  Re: Debian is testing Discourse John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2020-04-14 02:50 +0200
                    Re: Debian is testing Discourse Kenneth Parker <sea7kenp@gmail.com> - 2020-04-14 03:40 +0200
                      Re: Debian is testing Discourse John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2020-04-14 04:00 +0200
                    Re: Debian is testing Discourse Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2020-04-14 12:00 +0200
                      Re: Debian is testing Discourse Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2020-04-14 14:10 +0200
                        Re: Debian is testing Discourse Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2020-04-14 14:30 +0200
                          Re: Debian is testing Discourse Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2020-04-14 15:30 +0200
                            Re: Debian is testing Discourse Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2020-04-14 16:20 +0200
              Re: Debian is testing Discourse Michael Howard <mike@dewberryfields.co.uk> - 2020-04-13 20:20 +0200
                Re: Debian is testing Discourse Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2020-04-13 20:30 +0200
    Re: Debian is testing Discourse Glenn Holmer <glenn.holmer@gmail.com> - 2020-04-14 16:50 +0200
    Re: Debian is testing Discourse Nate Bargmann <n0nb@n0nb.us> - 2020-04-23 01:50 +0200
      Re: Debian is testing Discourse Daniel Barclay <danielbarclay.oss@gmail.com> - 2020-04-29 19:10 +0200
        Re: Debian is testing Discourse Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-04-29 19:20 +0200
          Re: Debian is testing Discourse Daniel Barclay <danielbarclay.oss@gmail.com> - 2020-04-29 21:10 +0200
            Re: Debian is testing Discourse Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-04-30 07:20 +0200
        Re: Debian is testing Discourse Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2020-04-29 21:30 +0200
        Re: Debian is testing Discourse Nate Bargmann <n0nb@n0nb.us> - 2020-04-30 05:10 +0200

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#221457

FromSven Hartge <sven@svenhartge.de>
Date2020-04-13 23:00 +0200
Message-ID<zVels-2ZG-9@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#221456
Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> wrote:
> On Apr 13, 2020, Sven Hartge wrote:
>> Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> wrote:
>>> On Apr 13, 2020, Sven Hartge wrote:

>>>> And I've also witnissed this in other contexts, be it in an
>>>> Enterprise setup (where one group flocks to Confluence and the
>>>> other stay in the mailinglist) or a MMO guild, where one group
>>>> prefers to converse in Teamspeak and the other uses the forum.
 
>>> forum-only people are filthy casuals and should be shown the door :)
>> 
>> Well, no. In my experience it always depends on what medium was
>> first.  This one will have the most experienced users. Everything
>> coming later will most likely having a harder time getting (fully)
>> integrated.

> I was specifically taking the reference of your guild / mmo context.
> In my case, we would always spin up both a forum and TS (or the
> experienced were always on both). In fact, I think a forum account was
> more often than not required in order to even get on TS in the first
> place.

Even more if you tied the TS server to the forum account, yes.

> TS was basically *required* while in a big engagement though.  If you
> weren't on TS, you weren't in the raid / fleet / whatever the game at
> hand called it. 

I think the TS/Mumble vs. Forum comparison is flawed here, it was unwise
of me to bring this to the table, because both serve completely
different use-cases in most cases.

Comparing a mailinglist with a forum, as in fact the thread is about, is
more apt.

Grüße,
Sven

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#221464

FromDan Purgert <dan@djph.net>
Date2020-04-14 02:00 +0200
Message-ID<zVh9D-4NV-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#221457

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On Apr 13, 2020, Sven Hartge wrote:
> Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> wrote:
>> [...]
> > TS was basically *required* while in a big engagement though.  If you
> > weren't on TS, you weren't in the raid / fleet / whatever the game at
> > hand called it. 
> 
> I think the TS/Mumble vs. Forum comparison is flawed here, it was unwise
> of me to bring this to the table, because both serve completely
> different use-cases in most cases.

Honestly, you're not that far off the mark though -- for those groups
that didn't force TS/Mumble, those of us who would go between both as
necessary would see the divergence of the group into "the forum people"
and "the speech people".


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#221465

FromNate Bargmann <n0nb@n0nb.us>
Date2020-04-14 02:00 +0200
Message-ID<zVh9E-4NV-9@gated-at.bofh.it>
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* On 2020 13 Apr 15:27 -0500, Sven Hartge wrote:
> What I am saying here is that by having multiple channels of
> communication you naturally get different groups of people in them which
> tend to drift apart sooner or later, because each group isn't
> represented in the other media. And then you get the "forum casuals"
> against the "mailinglist greybeards" against the "IRC noobs" in the end.

So, we need one more silo to contain them all?  Insert obligatory XKCD
here as I'm sure is one that applies.

> I can see why the GNOME people choose to close all other communication
> channels and focus on one and only one: to avoid splintering the
> community. 
> 
> That by doing so they may have lost some members who absolutely didn't
> want to use the new way of communicating and if they anticipated and
> went with it anyways I can't say from the outside.

They certainly did lose users.  It seems the GTK subreddit is active as
a result and probably some Web forums, unrelated mailing lists elsewhere
and maybe even some Usenet group.

If Free Software, Linux, and the entire software ecosystem we enjoy
should have taught us anything it is that it is impossible to contain
everything in a single silo.  Considering the breadth of topics on this
list over the years and the topics of all the other Debian lists, not
all of this can possibly thrown into a single Discourse silo with only
tagging to provide any separation, can it?  The scope of the Gnome
project is much smaller but still large enough that I don't find their
Discourse implementation to be all that friendly (in terms of Discourse
and their chosen layout, not the people involved) and I've been around
plenty of Web forums over the past couple of decades.

Every approach, Usenet, mailing lists, Web forums, Reddits, et. al. has
a certain amount of onboarding/learning curve.  If you don't have
separate topic-based implementations of the preceding and think that
everything can be done with tags, the segregation will still exist as
those interested in a certain topic will only search for certain tags
and thus an improperly tagged post may still be ignored.  This is how I
see Gnome's Discourse working, for some definition of working.

- Nate

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#222099

FromDaniel Barclay <danielbarclay.oss@gmail.com>
Date2020-04-29 19:00 +0200
Message-ID<A0YdY-3dC-7@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#221417
Sven Hartge wrote:
> ...
> 
> As Russ noted in
> https://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2020/04/msg00103.html in 3)
> "... more comfortable with forums than with email. [...]"
> ...


How do people not understand that the word "forum" does not exclude e-mail
or even non-digital communication (that "forum" does not mean only a
web-based forum)?

(It's like thinking "turf" means "artificial turf"--as did some local
newscasters who reported that some schools were changing their athletic
fields from turf back to grass. Huh?)


Daniel

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#222109

FromDan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org>
Date2020-04-29 20:20 +0200
Message-ID<A0Ztn-49R-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#222099
Daniel Barclay wrote: 
> Sven Hartge wrote:
> > ...
> > 
> > As Russ noted in
> > https://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2020/04/msg00103.html in 3)
> > "... more comfortable with forums than with email. [...]"
> > ...
> 
> 
> How do people not understand that the word "forum" does not exclude e-mail
> or even non-digital communication (that "forum" does not mean only a
> web-based forum)?
> 
> (It's like thinking "turf" means "artificial turf"--as did some local
> newscasters who reported that some schools were changing their athletic
> fields from turf back to grass. Huh?)

Yes, but you need to recognize that people morph words badly
even as you refuse to warp their meanings yourself.

-dsr-

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#222113

FromThe Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm>
Date2020-04-29 21:00 +0200
Message-ID<A1065-4po-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
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On 2020-04-29 at 14:10, Dan Ritter wrote:

> Daniel Barclay wrote:
> 
>> Sven Hartge wrote:
>>> ...
>>> 
>>> As Russ noted in 
>>> https://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2020/04/msg00103.html in
>>> 3) "... more comfortable with forums than with email. [...]" ...
>> 
>> How do people not understand that the word "forum" does not exclude
>> e-mail or even non-digital communication (that "forum" does not
>> mean only a web-based forum)?
>> 
>> (It's like thinking "turf" means "artificial turf"--as did some
>> local newscasters who reported that some schools were changing
>> their athletic fields from turf back to grass. Huh?)
> 
> Yes, but you need to recognize that people morph words badly even as
> you refuse to warp their meanings yourself.

A longstanding principle of good software design: "be conservative in
what you emit, and liberal in what you consume". In some such set of
words or another.

-- 
   The Wanderer

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all
progress depends on the unreasonable man.         -- George Bernard Shaw

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#222118

From<tomas@tuxteam.de>
Date2020-04-29 21:20 +0200
Message-ID<A10ps-4LB-19@gated-at.bofh.it>
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On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 02:54:42PM -0400, The Wanderer wrote:

[...]

> A longstanding principle of good software design: "be conservative in
> what you emit, and liberal in what you consume". In some such set of
> words or another.

This would be Postel's principle -- and this gentleman was especially
interested in Internet protocols... but I get the idea.

I do subscribe to this principle, at least in general, but to be fair,
there are smart folks out there who do not.

Cheers
-- t

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#222121

FromNicolas George <george@nsup.org>
Date2020-04-29 22:10 +0200
Message-ID<A11bP-5hY-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
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tomas@tuxteam.de (12020-04-29):
> This would be Postel's principle -- and this gentleman was especially
> interested in Internet protocols... but I get the idea.

But to be realistic, Postel's principle, even if it was thought for
protocols rather than human relationships, is much more relevant for
human relationships than for protocols.

Indeed, for protocols, being liberal in what they accept has let crappy
implementation with idiotic variations to appear, and now we are stuck
having to support them until the end of time. Much better to have
protocols and implementations that are very strict. Indeed, modern
protocols are stricter than old ones.

Regards,

-- 
  Nicolas George

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#222124 — Postel's principle [was: Debian is testing Discourse]

From<tomas@tuxteam.de>
Date2020-04-29 22:20 +0200
SubjectPostel's principle [was: Debian is testing Discourse]
Message-ID<A11lv-5l6-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
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On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 10:08:02PM +0200, Nicolas George wrote:
> tomas@tuxteam.de (12020-04-29):
> > This would be Postel's principle -- and this gentleman was especially
> > interested in Internet protocols... but I get the idea.
> 
> But to be realistic, Postel's principle, even if it was thought for
> protocols rather than human relationships, is much more relevant for
> human relationships than for protocols.

Absolutely.

> Indeed, for protocols, being liberal in what they accept has let crappy
> implementation [...]

Yay! one example of "that other species" of smart folks who are not
fans of Postel's principle :-)

I still belong to the "other other species", those who rather adhere
to Postel's principle. I don't know whether I am smart, though :)

Cheers
-- t

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#222132

FromGreg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org>
Date2020-04-30 00:00 +0200
Message-ID<A12Ui-6aG-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#222099
On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 05:53:24PM -0400, rhkramer@gmail.com wrote:
> What word would you suggest be used for the things that people do call forums 
> but excluding email / maillists?

Web forums.

Or Usenet, but I don't think you meant that.

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#222134

Fromrhkramer@gmail.com
Date2020-04-30 02:10 +0200
Message-ID<A14W5-7AO-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#222132
Thanks!  (Yes, I would exclude Usenet as well (I mean, I like Usenet, just 
like email better.))

On Wednesday, April 29, 2020 05:55:15 PM Greg Wooledge wrote:
> Web forums.
> 
> Or Usenet, but I don't think you meant that.

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#222133

Fromrhkramer@gmail.com
Date2020-04-30 00:00 +0200
Message-ID<A12Ui-6aG-7@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#222099
On Wednesday, April 29, 2020 12:49:53 PM Daniel Barclay wrote:
> How do people not understand that the word "forum" does not exclude e-mail
> or even non-digital communication (that "forum" does not mean only a
> web-based forum)?

What word would you suggest be used for the things that people do call forums 
but excluding email / maillists?

I feel the need to distinguish those -- I like email for communication, I 
don't like the web based things that are often called forums.



> 
> (It's like thinking "turf" means "artificial turf"--as did some local
> newscasters who reported that some schools were changing their athletic
> fields from turf back to grass. Huh?)

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#222286

FromDaniel Barclay <danielbarclay.oss@gmail.com>
Date2020-05-07 20:30 +0200
Message-ID<A3Trs-15h-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#222133
rhkramer@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, April 29, 2020 12:49:53 PM Daniel Barclay wrote:
>> How do people not understand that the word "forum" does not exclude e-mail
>> or even non-digital communication (that "forum" does not mean only a
>> web-based forum)?
> 
> What word would you suggest be used for the things that people do call forums
> but excluding email / maillists?

I don't know of a single-word name, but "web forum" or "web-based forum"
at least clarifies that it's not e-mail or whatever, and saying
"xyx forum" implies that "forum" means something else (something more general).


> I feel the need to distinguish those -- I like email for communication, I
> don't like the web based things that are often called forums.

Definitely.



Daniel

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#222291

FromBrian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk>
Date2020-05-07 22:10 +0200
Message-ID<A3V0d-278-7@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#222286
On Thu 07 May 2020 at 14:28:12 -0400, Daniel Barclay wrote:

> rhkramer@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Wednesday, April 29, 2020 12:49:53 PM Daniel Barclay wrote:
> > > How do people not understand that the word "forum" does not exclude e-mail
> > > or even non-digital communication (that "forum" does not mean only a
> > > web-based forum)?
> > 
> > What word would you suggest be used for the things that people do call forums
> > but excluding email / maillists?
> 
> I don't know of a single-word name, but "web forum" or "web-based forum"
> at least clarifies that it's not e-mail or whatever, and saying
> "xyx forum" implies that "forum" means something else (something more general).
> 
> 
> > I feel the need to distinguish those -- I like email for communication, I
> > don't like the web based things that are often called forums.
> 
> Definitely.

Debian/Ubuntu/Mint forums provide focussed and helpful advice to users.
Often better than the mailing list equivalents. They are are simply
another strand in the thread of providing help.

Ignoring them is naff.

-- 
Brian.

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#221422

FromReco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net>
Date2020-04-13 18:50 +0200
Message-ID<zVarw-Dj-19@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#221386
	Hi.

On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 07:32:56AM -0500, Nate Bargmann wrote:
> I doubt that Russ reads this list and may not be aware of the
> experiences of us that have dealt with a project that wholesale replaced
> working mailing lists with Discourse.  Russ should be made aware that
> Discourse is not some magic software that does not require any learning.

That's I agree with.


> On the contrary, it is different and requires a modern Web browser (how
> does the non-GUI user participate since it is noted that an email user
> is a distant second-class user?) but as he notes it is a centralized
> database that facilitates an amount of control that is lacking with
> email lists.  I think that the key to the discussion is that some people
> seek greater control over discussions.

Moreover, it brings two interesting aspects of the problem:

1) By its design the Discourse relies on Javascript executing in user's
browser. While Discourse itself may be the free software, such usage of
Discourse violates Software Freedom 1 ("change it so it does your
computing as you wish").

2) Centralization vs federation.
By its very design e-mail is de-centralized, and it allowed it to
successfully function for about 40 years.
Moreover, such decentralization actually empowers the end user (i.e. all
of us), because "your MTA - your rules".

But Discourse is centralized, and while I trust Debian project to make
the OS that I use daily (and strongly prefer to others), this move
strips end users of that limited power that they have here, at
debian-user.


> If the project wants to implement Discourse as an adjunct to existing
> communications channels, fine, I've no problem with that.

I don't feel easy while reminding it (), but Debian project has its
share of proposing alternatives (GNOME vs XFCE, systemd vs upstart vs
sysvinit for instance), which somehow ended with the majority of the
users using only one alternative.

And note that there were totally objective reasons for that, and users
were left with the final choice. Just like this time.

Reco

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#221427

FromBrian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk>
Date2020-04-13 19:20 +0200
Message-ID<zVaUx-12R-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#221422
On Mon 13 Apr 2020 at 19:41:15 +0300, Reco wrote:

> 	Hi.
> 
> On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 07:32:56AM -0500, Nate Bargmann wrote:
> > I doubt that Russ reads this list and may not be aware of the
> > experiences of us that have dealt with a project that wholesale replaced
> > working mailing lists with Discourse.  Russ should be made aware that
> > Discourse is not some magic software that does not require any learning.
> 
> That's I agree with.
> 
> 
> > On the contrary, it is different and requires a modern Web browser (how
> > does the non-GUI user participate since it is noted that an email user
> > is a distant second-class user?) but as he notes it is a centralized
> > database that facilitates an amount of control that is lacking with
> > email lists.  I think that the key to the discussion is that some people
> > seek greater control over discussions.
> 
> Moreover, it brings two interesting aspects of the problem:
> 
> 1) By its design the Discourse relies on Javascript executing in user's
> browser. While Discourse itself may be the free software, such usage of
> Discourse violates Software Freedom 1 ("change it so it does your
> computing as you wish").

I understand the concern with Javascript. I have read what there is of
Discourse using Lynx. Am I missing out an anything?

-- 
Brian.

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#221428

FromReco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net>
Date2020-04-13 19:20 +0200
Message-ID<zVaUx-12R-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#221427
On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 06:09:59PM +0100, Brian wrote:
> > > On the contrary, it is different and requires a modern Web browser (how
> > > does the non-GUI user participate since it is noted that an email user
> > > is a distant second-class user?) but as he notes it is a centralized
> > > database that facilitates an amount of control that is lacking with
> > > email lists.  I think that the key to the discussion is that some people
> > > seek greater control over discussions.
> > 
> > Moreover, it brings two interesting aspects of the problem:
> > 
> > 1) By its design the Discourse relies on Javascript executing in user's
> > browser. While Discourse itself may be the free software, such usage of
> > Discourse violates Software Freedom 1 ("change it so it does your
> > computing as you wish").
> 
> I understand the concern with Javascript. I have read what there is of
> Discourse using Lynx. Am I missing out an anything?

Wow. Just wow. Thank you for the idea.
I confirm that it's enough to use any text-based browser (be it lynx,
links or w3m) to read, say, discourse.mozilla.org.
Cannot comment if it's possible to participate there with these fine
browsers (the answers is probably "no"), but it's a start.

Reco

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#221466

FromKenneth Parker <sea7kenp@gmail.com>
Date2020-04-14 02:20 +0200
Message-ID<zVhsZ-59K-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
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On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 1:15 PM Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> wrote:

> On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 06:09:59PM +0100, Brian wrote:
> > > > On the contrary, it is different and requires a modern Web browser
> (how
> > > > does the non-GUI user participate since it is noted that an email
> user
> > > > is a distant second-class user?) but as he notes it is a centralized
> > > > database that facilitates an amount of control that is lacking with
> > > > email lists.  I think that the key to the discussion is that some
> people
> > > > seek greater control over discussions.
> > >
> > > Moreover, it brings two interesting aspects of the problem:
> > >
> > > 1) By its design the Discourse relies on Javascript executing in user's
> > > browser. While Discourse itself may be the free software, such usage of
> > > Discourse violates Software Freedom 1 ("change it so it does your
> > > computing as you wish").
> >
> > I understand the concern with Javascript. I have read what there is of
> > Discourse using Lynx. Am I missing out an anything?
>
> Wow. Just wow. Thank you for the idea.
> I confirm that it's enough to use any text-based browser (be it lynx,
> links or w3m) to read, say, discourse.mozilla.org.
> Cannot comment if it's possible to participate there with these fine
> browsers (the answers is probably "no"), but it's a start.
>

Okay.  I have a Text only Server (due to a Mouse issue with our Kindred
Distro, Devuan), and so put this to the test.

First, w3m apparently doesn't do Redirects, instead, giving the short page,
*describing* the Redirect to come.  (I remember these from using wget).

However, I got a good page, using lynx. (Hard to read, as I'm sure the
Pictures describe a lot of what Discourse is trying to do).  And it was
amusing to see the bottom of the page, with the message:  "Powered by
Discourse, best viewed with Javascript enabled".

So, at least with Lynx, the page will load without Javascript.

On a Laptop of mine, I have an old version of Firefox, with the "NoScript"
add-on.  I wonder how it would work there.  If I find out anything good,
I'll check back in.

Thank you!

Kenneth Parker


>
> Reco
>
>

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#221468

FromJohn Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com>
Date2020-04-14 02:50 +0200
Message-ID<zVhW1-5jl-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#221466
Kenneth Parker writes:
> On a Laptop of mine, I have an old version of Firefox, with the
> "NoScript" add-on.  I wonder how it would work there.

Works ok for a casual test.  I have no acount so I have no idea how it
would work for posting, though.

"Works best with Javascript" could turn into "Requires Javascript"
from one release to the next, though.
-- 
John Hasler 
jhasler@newsguy.com
Elmwood, WI USA

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#221469

FromKenneth Parker <sea7kenp@gmail.com>
Date2020-04-14 03:40 +0200
Message-ID<zViIq-5Oo-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
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On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 8:44 PM John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> wrote:

> Kenneth Parker writes:
> > On a Laptop of mine, I have an old version of Firefox, with the
> > "NoScript" add-on.  I wonder how it would work there.
>
> Works ok for a casual test.  I have no acount so I have no idea how it
> would work for posting, though.
>

Same for me.  (The Firefox-ESR was the "current" version for Debian
Jessie).

"Works best with Javascript" could turn into "Requires Javascript"
> from one release to the next, though.
>

True enough!   But I want to test Discourse  *with*  Javascript, so that I
understand the difference.  My "safe test bed"?  A Debian Buster Gnome
Live-DVD, and *its* version of Firefox.

Okay:  *THAT* version of Discourse had about 3 or 4 times longer page than
I remember without Javascript.  So yes, Discourse is based, quite heavily
on Javascript.

So I would say that, since the "NoScript" version of Discourse was a
Skeleton of a page, tells me that it "Requires Javascript".

-- 
> John Hasler
> jhasler@newsguy.com
> Elmwood, WI USA
>

Thanks!  Kenneth Parker

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