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| Started by | Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> |
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| First post | 2020-04-12 10:50 +0200 |
| Last post | 2020-04-30 05:10 +0200 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 196 — 39 participants |
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Debian is testing Discourse Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2020-04-12 10:50 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-04-12 11:00 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2020-04-12 11:30 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2020-04-12 11:50 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Eric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk> - 2020-04-16 13:00 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-04-12 11:00 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2020-04-12 11:10 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-04-12 11:20 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2020-04-12 11:30 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Eike Lantzsch <zp6cge@gmx.net> - 2020-04-12 15:30 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2020-04-12 17:40 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2020-04-12 18:00 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-04-12 15:30 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-04-12 15:40 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2020-04-12 15:50 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-04-12 16:40 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Steve McIntyre <steve@einval.com> - 2020-04-12 17:10 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Keith Christian <keith1christian@gmail.com> - 2020-04-12 16:00 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-04-12 16:30 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-04-12 17:10 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Nate Bargmann <n0nb@n0nb.us> - 2020-04-12 18:00 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Ihor Antonov <ihor@antonovs.family> - 2020-04-12 21:10 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-04-13 09:20 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2020-04-13 21:40 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-04-14 09:20 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2020-04-14 10:30 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-04-14 10:50 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2020-04-14 11:50 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-04-14 17:20 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2020-04-15 19:40 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2020-04-14 12:00 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse rhkramer@gmail.com - 2020-04-14 14:20 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2020-04-14 15:40 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2020-04-15 06:20 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse rhkramer@gmail.com - 2020-04-15 15:50 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2020-04-14 14:10 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2020-04-14 13:40 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2020-04-20 19:20 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2020-04-21 04:40 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2020-04-21 05:10 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2020-04-21 06:40 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-04-21 09:20 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Jonathan Dowland <jon+debian-user@dow.land> - 2020-04-21 12:20 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2020-04-21 21:10 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2020-04-23 00:50 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2020-04-23 08:40 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-04-23 09:10 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2020-04-23 21:30 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Marco Möller <talby@debianlists.mobilxpress.net> - 2020-04-23 23:50 +0200
Contributing to Debian documentation [was: Debian is testing Discourse] Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-04-24 09:50 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-04-23 14:00 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-04-23 14:30 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2020-04-23 20:50 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2020-04-23 21:10 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Daniel Barclay <danielbarclay.oss@gmail.com> - 2020-04-29 18:30 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-04-29 18:50 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2020-04-29 21:20 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Daniel Barclay <danielbarclay.oss@gmail.com> - 2020-05-07 20:30 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2020-05-07 21:40 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2020-04-23 20:20 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Jonathan Dowland <jon+debian-user@dow.land> - 2020-04-23 11:30 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2020-04-23 19:50 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-04-24 10:10 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2020-04-24 14:30 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2020-04-24 18:50 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse rhkramer@gmail.com - 2020-04-24 20:20 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2020-04-24 21:20 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Jonathan Dowland <jon+debian-user@dow.land> - 2020-04-27 16:00 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Ihor Antonov <ngor@antonovs.family> - 2020-04-21 06:40 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2020-04-21 08:20 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-04-12 11:00 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2020-04-12 14:10 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Michael Howard <mike@dewberryfields.co.uk> - 2020-04-12 14:40 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-04-12 15:30 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-04-12 15:50 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Keith Bainbridge <ke1th3216@zoho.com> - 2020-04-13 07:10 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2020-04-13 11:50 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2020-04-13 13:40 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse nito@dismail.de - 2020-04-12 15:50 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-04-12 17:20 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse nito@dismail.de - 2020-04-12 18:00 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Nate Bargmann <n0nb@n0nb.us> - 2020-04-12 17:40 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse john doe <johndoe65534@mail.com> - 2020-04-12 21:20 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2020-04-12 21:50 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Ihor Antonov <ihor@antonovs.family> - 2020-04-12 21:50 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Steve McIntyre <steve@einval.com> - 2020-04-13 03:40 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2020-04-13 06:40 +0200
Moderation (not!) [was: Debian is testing Discourse] <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-04-13 09:20 +0200
Re: Moderation (not!) [was: Debian is testing Discourse] Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2020-04-13 10:30 +0200
Re: Moderation (not!) [was: Debian is testing Discourse] <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-04-13 10:40 +0200
Re: Moderation (not!) [was: Debian is testing Discourse] Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-04-13 11:00 +0200
Re: Moderation (not!) [was: Debian is testing Discourse] Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2020-04-13 11:00 +0200
Re: Moderation (not!) [was: Debian is testing Discourse] <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-04-13 11:10 +0200
Re: Moderation (not!) [was: Debian is testing Discourse] Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2020-04-13 11:50 +0200
Re: Moderation (not!) [was: Debian is testing Discourse] Sven Hartge <sven@svenhartge.de> - 2020-04-13 18:00 +0200
Re: Moderation (not!) [was: Debian is testing Discourse] Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2020-04-13 22:10 +0200
Re: Moderation (not!) [was: Debian is testing Discourse] Sven Hartge <sven@svenhartge.de> - 2020-04-13 22:20 +0200
Re: Moderation (not!) [was: Debian is testing Discourse] John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2020-04-13 15:30 +0200
Re: Moderation (not!) [was: Debian is testing Discourse] Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2020-04-13 15:30 +0200
Re: Moderation (not!) [was: Debian is testing Discourse] John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2020-04-13 17:40 +0200
Re: Moderation (not!) [was: Debian is testing Discourse] Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2020-04-13 22:10 +0200
Re: Moderation (not!) [was: Debian is testing Discourse] Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-04-14 09:30 +0200
Re: Moderation (not!) [was: Debian is testing Discourse] Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2020-04-14 14:20 +0200
Re: Moderation (not!) [was: Debian is testing Discourse] Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2020-04-13 11:00 +0200
Re: Moderation (not!) [was: Debian is testing Discourse] Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2020-04-13 13:40 +0200
Re: Moderation (not!) [was: Debian is testing Discourse] soyeomul@doraji.xyz (황병희) - 2020-04-14 05:10 +0200
Re: Moderation (not!) [was: Debian is testing Discourse] <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-04-14 10:20 +0200
Re: Moderation (not!) [was: Debian is testing Discourse] John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2020-04-13 15:10 +0200
Re: Moderation (not!) [was: Debian is testing Discourse] Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2020-04-13 15:50 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Tom Dial <tddial@comcast.net> - 2020-04-13 23:30 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2020-04-14 11:00 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2020-04-14 14:10 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2020-04-14 15:40 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Peter Ehlert <peter@sdi-baja.com> - 2020-04-14 16:20 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2020-04-14 17:00 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Carl Fink <carlf@panix.com> - 2020-04-14 17:30 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2020-04-14 18:40 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2020-04-14 19:10 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2020-04-14 20:10 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Sven Hartge <sven@svenhartge.de> - 2020-04-14 20:20 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2020-04-14 20:40 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2020-04-15 08:20 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-04-15 10:00 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2020-04-14 17:00 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2020-04-14 17:40 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-04-14 17:40 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-04-13 09:30 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-04-13 10:20 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-04-13 10:20 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-04-13 14:40 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Nate Bargmann <n0nb@n0nb.us> - 2020-04-13 14:40 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2020-04-13 17:20 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Sven Hartge <sven@svenhartge.de> - 2020-04-13 18:10 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Michael Howard <mike@dewberryfields.co.uk> - 2020-04-13 18:20 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2020-04-13 18:50 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2020-04-13 19:00 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Sven Hartge <sven@svenhartge.de> - 2020-04-13 19:20 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Sven Hartge <sven@svenhartge.de> - 2020-04-13 20:20 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2020-04-13 20:40 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Sven Hartge <sven@svenhartge.de> - 2020-04-13 21:10 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2020-04-13 21:40 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2020-04-13 21:50 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2020-04-13 22:10 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2020-04-14 10:00 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-04-14 10:20 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Sven Hartge <sven@svenhartge.de> - 2020-04-14 13:30 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2020-04-14 14:10 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2020-04-14 14:10 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Michael Howard <mike@dewberryfields.co.uk> - 2020-04-13 21:40 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2020-04-13 21:50 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2020-04-13 22:00 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2020-04-13 22:00 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2020-04-13 22:10 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Sven Hartge <sven@svenhartge.de> - 2020-04-13 22:40 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-04-14 09:40 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Sven Hartge <sven@svenhartge.de> - 2020-04-14 13:20 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Michael Howard <mike@dewberryfields.co.uk> - 2020-04-13 20:20 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2020-04-13 21:40 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Sven Hartge <sven@svenhartge.de> - 2020-04-13 22:30 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2020-04-13 22:40 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Sven Hartge <sven@svenhartge.de> - 2020-04-13 23:00 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2020-04-14 02:00 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Nate Bargmann <n0nb@n0nb.us> - 2020-04-14 02:00 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Daniel Barclay <danielbarclay.oss@gmail.com> - 2020-04-29 19:00 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2020-04-29 20:20 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> - 2020-04-29 21:00 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-04-29 21:20 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2020-04-29 22:10 +0200
Postel's principle [was: Debian is testing Discourse] <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-04-29 22:20 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2020-04-30 00:00 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse rhkramer@gmail.com - 2020-04-30 02:10 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse rhkramer@gmail.com - 2020-04-30 00:00 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Daniel Barclay <danielbarclay.oss@gmail.com> - 2020-05-07 20:30 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2020-05-07 22:10 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2020-04-13 18:50 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2020-04-13 19:20 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2020-04-13 19:20 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Kenneth Parker <sea7kenp@gmail.com> - 2020-04-14 02:20 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2020-04-14 02:50 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Kenneth Parker <sea7kenp@gmail.com> - 2020-04-14 03:40 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2020-04-14 04:00 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2020-04-14 12:00 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2020-04-14 14:10 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2020-04-14 14:30 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2020-04-14 15:30 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2020-04-14 16:20 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Michael Howard <mike@dewberryfields.co.uk> - 2020-04-13 20:20 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2020-04-13 20:30 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Glenn Holmer <glenn.holmer@gmail.com> - 2020-04-14 16:50 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Nate Bargmann <n0nb@n0nb.us> - 2020-04-23 01:50 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Daniel Barclay <danielbarclay.oss@gmail.com> - 2020-04-29 19:10 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-04-29 19:20 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Daniel Barclay <danielbarclay.oss@gmail.com> - 2020-04-29 21:10 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-04-30 07:20 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2020-04-29 21:30 +0200
Re: Debian is testing Discourse Nate Bargmann <n0nb@n0nb.us> - 2020-04-30 05:10 +0200
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| From | nito@dismail.de |
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| Date | 2020-04-12 18:00 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <zUNbz-390-9@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #221319 |
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On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 18:16:44 +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > What if someone else already wrote that, possibly in better words than I > could? If you really feel like it's necessary, you can reply to the thread with: I like this proposal mainly because of A and B, but I am a bit concerned about C. Person P. already gave an good argument as to why. > The rules for submitting or sponsoring actual voting proposals / > amendments etc. are clearly laid out, I don't see any danger here. Well, I do, though none of us can see into the future. But that makes me wonder: If you don't think likes/dislikes as present on discourse have an influence on this: Why bother using it at all ? And even if I only mentioned it with one sentence in the debian-vote section as I wrote about it before: The accessibility, which would *decrease* with discourse, (and exclude mail-interface users from the like/disliking) should be a top priority for debian-vote. If you want to give people more familiar with forums a familiar interface, I'd say the reverse approach is much more feasible and does not create problems with accessibility: Offer a forum-like front-end for the mailing list. There are already 3rd parties offering something like that for debian mailing-lists. One that sometimes shows up in my search results, would be nabble (note that I'm not endorsing or recommending any such 3rd party provider) http://debian.2.n7.nabble.com/Debian-is-testing-Discourse-td4669989.html If there is a need for that debian could offer something like that itself (if it does not yet exists, didn't check). As the backend would still be purely text based, there is no issue with accessibility or feature exclusion. This leaves us only with "moderation" as a _potential_ benefit of discourse as a primary interface. Stronger moderation with retroactive editing and deleting however, while it night offer _some_ benefits, also creates a fair share of problems and potential for abuse in the future. Given the disadvantages with a forum focused interface, I don't think a potential benefit in moderation is worth it. -- Nito
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| From | Nate Bargmann <n0nb@n0nb.us> |
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| Date | 2020-04-12 17:40 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <zUMSd-322-11@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #221266 |
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* On 2020 12 Apr 03:46 -0500, Reco wrote: > Dear list, > So, thoughts, options? About a year ago the Gnome project moved to Discourse and shut down all of their mailing lists. I check in there from time to time as interest in GTK development strikes and I must say that I think it is a very poor imitation of a Web forum and I've not tried their email interface but I cannot imagine that it would be as useful as a real mailing list. Gnome has their Discourse set so that 14 days after the last reply a topic is locked so no more replies may be added. I find this myopic, to be honest, as there are many times when an answer relevant to a thread may come months later and can be added to "close the loop" of that particular thread. I suppose one would have to start a new thread with a link to the old one in their case which to me just leads to thread/forum pollution. Put me down as not interested in seeing this list replaced in a similar manner. - Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Web: https://www.n0nb.us Projects: https://github.com/N0NB GPG fingerprint: 82D6 4F6B 0E67 CD41 F689 BBA6 FB2C 5130 D55A 8819
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| From | john doe <johndoe65534@mail.com> |
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| Date | 2020-04-12 21:20 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <zUQj7-5dx-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #221266 |
On 4/12/2020 10:45 AM, Reco wrote: > Dear list, > > [1] came to my attention today. To quote relevant parts: > > What about the mailing lists? > This may or may not be a replacement for any particular list. I > suspect there are some thet would benefit greatly from having Discourse > be the primary interaction, and other places where this would be less > suitable. > > Be specific! > Ok... I think *debian-user*, debian-vote and possibly debian-project > would be better off in Discourse. I think debian-devel-announce should > stay as an email list (for now). However, I am not suddenly proposing > that we shut those lists down. The aim of this exercise is to see if > Discourse would work well for us. > Debian is very good at accessibility, moving to something other then the mailing lists will make accessibility less functional. > Email is still important to me! > Fine, you can interact with Discorse by email rather than the web Here with Debian's mailing lists, I can interact without having to login to a website to configure being able to use e-mails If such a move is done, I'll have to find an other destro. > interface. It should be noted however, that there is *not 1:1 feature > partiy* with email and the web interface, as Discorse does things that > can't easily be done with email. For the majority of users though, email > interaction should be "good enough". What does 'good enough' means? > > Why are you doing this? > I have two motivations. First, is *moderation*. Discourse has built in > tools to allow community moderation on a much better scale than our > email lists. Secondly, I genuinely believe that ease of access to new > contributors is of paramount importance to the project. > Ease of accessibility is something that you probably don't understand from the perspective of a screenreader user. > > So, thoughts, options? > To summerise my thoughts, from an accessibility point of view using e-mails to interact with a webinterface is ludicrous. Note that I'm not answering to Reco but to the poster from (1). -- John Doe
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| From | John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> |
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| Date | 2020-04-12 21:50 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <zUQMa-5nW-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #221348 |
I note that Discourse is not in the Debian archive. Not that it matters, but I certainly won't use Discourse and if most debian-user traffic were to shift to Discourse I would simply stop subscribing. "Ease of moderation" is *not* a plus. -- John Hasler jhasler@newsguy.com Elmwood, WI USA
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| From | Ihor Antonov <ihor@antonovs.family> |
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| Date | 2020-04-12 21:50 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <zUQMa-5nW-19@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #221351 |
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On Sunday, April 12, 2020 12:39:43 PM PDT John Hasler wrote: > I note that Discourse is not in the Debian archive. > > Not that it matters, but I certainly won't use Discourse and if most > debian-user traffic were to shift to Discourse I would simply stop > subscribing. > > "Ease of moderation" is *not* a plus. +1 Observing how zealots have moderated Norbert Preining is a perfect example of how biased and closed-minded those moderators can be. -- Ihor Antonov https://useplaintext.email
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| From | Steve McIntyre <steve@einval.com> |
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| Date | 2020-04-13 03:40 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <zUWeR-hk-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #221352 |
Ihor Antonov wrote: > >Observing how zealots have moderated Norbert Preining is a perfect example of how >biased and closed-minded those moderators can be. As Russ has described to you on the debian-project list today, the point of the Debian lists (and other communication forums) is to assist in developing and supporting the Debian operating system. As a project, we want a respectful, productive, and inclusive atmosphere throughout the Debian community. We ask people to meet that standard when collaborating in the Debian community. If some people choose not to, then we can (and will) moderate or block those people where necessary. We value free speech, but that does *not* extend to giving contributors a free pass to harass or abuse others. I hope you understand that. -- Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK. steve@einval.com Armed with "Valor": "Centurion" represents quality of Discipline, Honor, Integrity and Loyalty. Now you don't have to be a Caesar to concord the digital world while feeling safe and proud.
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| From | Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2020-04-13 06:40 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <zUZ34-27f-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #221352 |
On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 12:47:52 -0700 Ihor Antonov <ihor@antonovs.family> wrote: > On Sunday, April 12, 2020 12:39:43 PM PDT John Hasler wrote: > > I note that Discourse is not in the Debian archive. > > > > Not that it matters, but I certainly won't use Discourse and if most > > debian-user traffic were to shift to Discourse I would simply stop > > subscribing. > > > > "Ease of moderation" is *not* a plus. > > +1 > Observing how zealots have moderated Norbert Preining is a perfect example of how > biased and closed-minded those moderators can be. +1 Moderation seems eminently reasonable on paper, but in practice, my experiences with it have been generally bad (stack exchange sites, some other mailing lists). Celejar
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| From | <tomas@tuxteam.de> |
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| Date | 2020-04-13 09:20 +0200 |
| Subject | Moderation (not!) [was: Debian is testing Discourse] |
| Message-ID | <zV1xT-3Jx-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #221359 |
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On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 12:36:15AM -0400, Celejar wrote: > On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 12:47:52 -0700 > Ihor Antonov <ihor@antonovs.family> wrote: > > > On Sunday, April 12, 2020 12:39:43 PM PDT John Hasler wrote: [...] > > > "Ease of moderation" is *not* a plus. > > > > +1 > > Observing how zealots have moderated Norbert Preining is a perfect example of how > > biased and closed-minded those moderators can be. > > +1 > > Moderation seems eminently reasonable on paper, but in practice, my > experiences with it have been generally bad (stack exchange sites, some > other mailing lists). Please, folks. The subject (mail vs discourse) is thorny enough, eliciting strong emotions (myself included). Mixing it up with group moderation is going to kill any chance of having a productive discussion. It is as easy to moderate a mailing list as it is a platform à la discourse. So this isn't a criterion to decide between both. So please: let's take one thing at a time, will we? Thanks & cheers -- tomás
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| From | Curt <curty@free.fr> |
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| Date | 2020-04-13 10:30 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Moderation (not!) [was: Debian is testing Discourse] |
| Message-ID | <zV2DE-4lT-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #221364 |
On 2020-04-13, <tomas@tuxteam.de> <tomas@tuxteam.de> wrote: > > It is as easy to moderate a mailing list as it is a platform la > discourse. So this isn't a criterion to decide between both. It is, on the contrary, the *primary* criterion for the proposed change as given by the primary proponent of the change: Why are you doing this? I have two motivations. First, is moderation. Discourse has built in tools to allow community moderation on a much better scale than our email lists. https://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2020/04/msg00074.html > So please: let's take one thing at a time, will we? > Thanks & cheers
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| From | <tomas@tuxteam.de> |
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| Date | 2020-04-13 10:40 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Moderation (not!) [was: Debian is testing Discourse] |
| Message-ID | <zV2Nj-4p9-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #221371 |
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On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 08:23:40AM -0000, Curt wrote: > On 2020-04-13, <tomas@tuxteam.de> <tomas@tuxteam.de> wrote: > > > > It is as easy to moderate a mailing list as it is a platform la > > discourse. So this isn't a criterion to decide between both. > > It is, on the contrary, the *primary* criterion for the proposed change > as given by the primary proponent of the change: > > Why are you doing this? > I have two motivations. First, is moderation. Discourse has built in > tools to allow community moderation on a much better scale than our email > lists. This one is surprising to me. Why should community moderation be easier for discourse? But I'm just a dumb C programmer :-) (there, I outed myself) Cheers -- t
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| From | Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2020-04-13 11:00 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Moderation (not!) [was: Debian is testing Discourse] |
| Message-ID | <zV36H-4w5-15@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #221372 |
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On Lu, 13 apr 20, 10:32:55, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 08:23:40AM -0000, Curt wrote: > > On 2020-04-13, <tomas@tuxteam.de> <tomas@tuxteam.de> wrote: > > > > > > It is as easy to moderate a mailing list as it is a platform la > > > discourse. So this isn't a criterion to decide between both. > > > > It is, on the contrary, the *primary* criterion for the proposed change > > as given by the primary proponent of the change: > > > > Why are you doing this? > > I have two motivations. First, is moderation. Discourse has built in > > tools to allow community moderation on a much better scale than our email > > lists. > > This one is surprising to me. Why should community moderation be > easier for discourse? https://discourse.debian.net/faq Kind regards, Andrei -- http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser
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| From | Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> |
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| Date | 2020-04-13 11:00 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Moderation (not!) [was: Debian is testing Discourse] |
| Message-ID | <zV36I-4w5-23@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #221372 |
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On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 10:32:55 +0200
<tomas@tuxteam.de> wrote:
Hello tomas@tuxteam.de,
>This one is surprising to me. Why should community moderation be
>easier for discourse?
You can close threads, so no further messages can be added (stops
hi-jacking, drift, etc.) Can split message(s) off to start new topic
(because of thread drift). Same as any other web forum, of course. Most
web forums don't have email capability though. Only discourse and
groups.io that I know of have it. Even then, as an email user of both
discourse and groups.io I'm treated as 'second class'.
In every other way (i.e. apart from moderation) discourse (and other web
forums) are inferior to email. The quoting sucks, for a start.
--
Regards _
/ ) "The blindingly obvious is
/ _)rad never immediately apparent"
The stakes were high but the danger low
Charade - Skids
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| From | <tomas@tuxteam.de> |
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| Date | 2020-04-13 11:10 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Moderation (not!) [was: Debian is testing Discourse] |
| Message-ID | <zV3gm-4P8-21@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #221374 |
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On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 09:56:24AM +0100, Brad Rogers wrote: > On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 10:32:55 +0200 > <tomas@tuxteam.de> wrote: > > Hello tomas@tuxteam.de, > > >This one is surprising to me. Why should community moderation be > >easier for discourse? > > You can close threads, so no further messages can be added (stops > hi-jacking, drift, etc.) I don't see why mailing list software (technically) can't offer this too. But I won't further belabour that point. > In every other way (i.e. apart from moderation) discourse (and other web > forums) are inferior to email. The quoting sucks, for a start. That's my opinion, too (and I /do/ have some experience with discourse). But, well, there are other opinions out there, so... Cheers -- t
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| From | Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> |
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| Date | 2020-04-13 11:50 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Moderation (not!) [was: Debian is testing Discourse] |
| Message-ID | <zV3T4-52i-7@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #221376 |
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On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 11:05:05 +0200
<tomas@tuxteam.de> wrote:
Hello tomas@tuxteam.de,
>On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 09:56:24AM +0100, Brad Rogers wrote:
>> You can close threads, so no further messages can be added (stops
>> hi-jacking, drift, etc.)
>I don't see why mailing list software (technically) can't offer this
>too. But I won't further belabour that point.
I'm sure it can. Thread splitting is easy enough, with an MUA that
allows you to do it, but at the archive end, IDK. Discourse certainly
makes it easier. Closing threads - not so much.
>That's my opinion, too (and I /do/ have some experience with
>discourse). But, well, there are other opinions out there, so...
As do I. Both groups.io & discourse. I dislike both.
--
Regards _
/ ) "The blindingly obvious is
/ _)rad never immediately apparent"
I hope I live to relive the days gone by
Old Before I Die - Robbie Williams
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| From | Sven Hartge <sven@svenhartge.de> |
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| Date | 2020-04-13 18:00 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Moderation (not!) [was: Debian is testing Discourse] |
| Message-ID | <zV9F7-7f-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #221378 |
Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> wrote: > On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 11:05:05 +0200 <tomas@tuxteam.de> wrote: >> On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 09:56:24AM +0100, Brad Rogers wrote: >>> You can close threads, so no further messages can be added (stops >>> hi-jacking, drift, etc.) >> I don't see why mailing list software (technically) can't offer this >> too. But I won't further belabour that point. > I'm sure it can. Thread splitting is easy enough, with an MUA that > allows you to do it, but at the archive end, IDK. Yes, but the sender of a message has to actively do that and all others have to follow it. Also you can't retroactively split of a part of a thread into a new one. With a web-forum the admin/moderator can split the thread, even after the fact and everybody is forced to follow. How this would translate to the mail interface (my guess: it doesn't) is another question. Grüße, Sven (who in the past had the "fun" of integrating a Mailman list into a phpBB3 forum) -- Sigmentation fault. Core dumped.
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| From | Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> |
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| Date | 2020-04-13 22:10 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Moderation (not!) [was: Debian is testing Discourse] |
| Message-ID | <zVdz3-2IU-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #221415 |
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On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 17:50:54 +0200
Sven Hartge <sven@svenhartge.de> wrote:
Hello Sven,
>Yes, but the sender of a message has to actively do that and all others
>have to follow it. Also you can't retroactively split of a part of a
>thread into a new one.
Although not clear from my comment, I am aware that thread splitting is
easier at discourse (for example). Thank you for making the point.
>How this would translate to the mail interface (my guess: it doesn't) is
I have to agree.
--
Regards _
/ ) "The blindingly obvious is
/ _)rad never immediately apparent"
Kill joy, bad guy, big talking, small fry
Death On Two Legs - Queen
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| From | Sven Hartge <sven@svenhartge.de> |
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| Date | 2020-04-13 22:20 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Moderation (not!) [was: Debian is testing Discourse] |
| Message-ID | <zVdIK-2Md-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #221447 |
Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> wrote: > On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 17:50:54 +0200 Sven Hartge <sven@svenhartge.de> wrote: >> Yes, but the sender of a message has to actively do that and all >> others have to follow it. Also you can't retroactively split of a >> part of a thread into a new one. > Although not clear from my comment, I am aware that thread splitting > is easier at discourse (for example). Thank you for making the point. To be even more precise (and I know you know this was well, just spelling it out for the archive): Changing the state of a thread (change the subject, split the thread, lock or delete it) is easier in *any* medium where you control the central database in contrast to a system which has multiple decentralized ones (if you call mailbox of each individual recipient a "database"). >> How this would translate to the mail interface (my guess: it doesn't) >> is > I have to agree. I know MS Exchange has a "recall email" function, which can create confusion among its users, for example when one instance allows it and another does not. Usenet also has Cancel and Supersede control messages, which have in the past been (ab)used to various degrees, up to the fact that today most sites don't honor them, whereas some do, but only when used with the correct Cancel-Key in the header, a mechanism not all clients are able to use. In the end: it is a mess. Grüße, S! -- Sigmentation fault. Core dumped.
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| From | John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> |
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| Date | 2020-04-13 15:30 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Moderation (not!) [was: Debian is testing Discourse] |
| Message-ID | <zV7jX-7e6-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #221374 |
Brad writes: > Most web forums don't have email capability though. Only discourse > and groups.io that I know of have it. Though described as a mailing list manager Sympa has a full Web interface that might satisfy email-phobic millennials. https://www.sympa.org/overview/features -- John Hasler jhasler@newsguy.com Elmwood, WI USA
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| From | Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> |
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| Date | 2020-04-13 15:30 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Moderation (not!) [was: Debian is testing Discourse] |
| Message-ID | <zV7jX-7e6-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #221389 |
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On Apr 13, 2020, John Hasler wrote: > Brad writes: > > Most web forums don't have email capability though. Only discourse > > and groups.io that I know of have it. > > Though described as a mailing list manager Sympa has a full Web > interface that might satisfy email-phobic millennials. Thank Cthulhu I'm not email-phobic :) I imagine few others who "really want to help out" are either; just that they have to be guided. -- |_|O|_| |_|_|O| Github: https://github.com/dpurgert |O|O|O| PGP: 05CA 9A50 3F2E 1335 4DC5 4AEE 8E11 DDF3 1279 A281
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| From | John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> |
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| Date | 2020-04-13 17:40 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Moderation (not!) [was: Debian is testing Discourse] |
| Message-ID | <zV9lM-8ra-17@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #221390 |
Dan writes: > Thank Cthulhu I'm not email-phobic :) > I imagine few others who "really want to help out" are either; just > that they have to be guided. I think that many of those who Neil McGovern is concerned about are. It's very common. -- John Hasler jhasler@newsguy.com Elmwood, WI USA
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