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| Started by | Anil F Duggirala <anilduggirala@fastmail.fm> |
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| First post | 2020-04-09 15:00 +0200 |
| Last post | 2020-04-10 20:00 +0200 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 118 — 23 participants |
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geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps Anil F Duggirala <anilduggirala@fastmail.fm> - 2020-04-09 15:00 +0200
Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-04-09 16:50 +0200
Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2020-04-09 16:50 +0200
Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps Anil F Duggirala <anilduggirala@fastmail.fm> - 2020-04-11 16:50 +0200
Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-04-11 17:00 +0200
Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2020-04-11 17:40 +0200
Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-04-11 18:00 +0200
Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2020-04-11 18:10 +0200
Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2020-04-13 15:50 +0200
Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2020-04-13 23:10 +0200
Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2020-04-11 18:00 +0200
Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2020-04-11 20:50 +0200
Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2020-04-12 01:20 +0200
Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2020-04-12 02:40 +0200
Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-04-12 09:20 +0200
Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2020-04-12 20:20 +0200
Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps Anil F Duggirala <anilduggirala@fastmail.fm> - 2020-04-11 17:00 +0200
Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2020-04-11 17:50 +0200
Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2020-04-11 18:00 +0200
Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2020-04-11 18:20 +0200
Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps rhkramer@gmail.com - 2020-04-11 22:10 +0200
Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2020-04-11 22:20 +0200
Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps rhkramer@gmail.com - 2020-04-12 02:30 +0200
Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2020-04-12 10:10 +0200
Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-04-12 10:20 +0200
Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-04-12 10:50 +0200
Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2020-04-12 11:50 +0200
Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-04-12 16:20 +0200
Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2020-04-12 17:00 +0200
Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-04-12 12:20 +0200
Re: DOH (was: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps) Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2020-04-12 12:30 +0200
Re: DOH (was: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-04-12 12:40 +0200
Re: DOH (was: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps) Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2020-04-12 13:10 +0200
Re: DOH (was: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-04-12 15:40 +0200
Re: DOH (was: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps) Lee <ler762@gmail.com> - 2020-04-13 01:50 +0200
Re: DOH (was: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps) Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2020-04-13 07:50 +0200
Re: DOH (was: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps) Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-04-13 10:20 +0200
Re: DOH (was: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps) Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2020-04-13 12:00 +0200
Re: DOH (was: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-04-13 12:10 +0200
Re: DOH (was: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps) Liam O'Toole <liam.p.otoole@gmail.com> - 2020-04-13 13:20 +0200
Re: DOH (was: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps) Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2020-04-13 15:30 +0200
Re: DOH (was: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps) Liam O'Toole <liam.p.otoole@gmail.com> - 2020-04-13 17:20 +0200
Re: DOH John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2020-04-13 17:40 +0200
Re: DOH "Liam O'Toole" <liam.p.otoole@gmail.com> - 2020-04-14 22:10 +0200
Re: DOH Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2020-04-14 22:50 +0200
Re: DOH Liam O'Toole <liam.p.otoole@gmail.com> - 2020-04-14 23:30 +0200
Re: DOH Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2020-04-15 00:00 +0200
Re: DOH John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2020-04-15 01:10 +0200
Re: DOH Liam O'Toole <liam.p.otoole@gmail.com> - 2020-04-15 01:30 +0200
Re: DOH Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2020-04-15 09:00 +0200
Re: DOH John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2020-04-13 17:30 +0200
Re: DOH (was: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps) Lee <ler762@gmail.com> - 2020-04-14 00:50 +0200
Re: DOH (was: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps) Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2020-04-14 08:20 +0200
Re: DOH (was: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps) Lee <ler762@gmail.com> - 2020-04-14 13:10 +0200
Re: DOH (was: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps) nito@dismail.de - 2020-04-14 13:50 +0200
Re: DOH (was: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps) Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2020-04-14 14:10 +0200
Re: DOH (was: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps) Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2020-04-14 15:30 +0200
Re: DOH John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2020-04-14 17:40 +0200
Re: DOH (was: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps) Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2020-04-14 05:40 +0200
Re: DOH (was: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps) Lee <ler762@gmail.com> - 2020-04-14 11:50 +0200
Re: DOH (was: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps) Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2020-04-14 19:00 +0200
Re: DOH John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2020-04-14 19:20 +0200
Re: DOH Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2020-04-15 00:00 +0200
Re: DOH (was: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-04-13 09:20 +0200
Re: DOH John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2020-04-13 17:20 +0200
Re: DOH (was: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps) Lee <ler762@gmail.com> - 2020-04-14 01:10 +0200
Re: DOH (was: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps) tomas@tuxteam.de - 2020-04-14 10:10 +0200
Re: DOH (was: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps) Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2020-04-14 13:40 +0200
Re: DOH (was: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps) Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-04-14 16:40 +0200
Re: DOH (was: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps) Lee <ler762@gmail.com> - 2020-04-15 01:20 +0200
Re: DOH (was: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps) Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2020-04-15 13:50 +0200
Re: DOH (was: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps) David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2020-04-15 16:50 +0200
Re: DOH (was: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps) Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2020-04-17 05:30 +0200
Re: DOH (was: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps) Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2020-04-12 13:40 +0200
Re: DOH (was: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-04-12 15:40 +0200
Re: DOH Michael Howard <mike@dewberryfields.co.uk> - 2020-04-12 15:50 +0200
Re: DOH (was: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps) Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2020-04-12 18:10 +0200
Re: DOH (was: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps) Tixy <tixy@yxit.co.uk> - 2020-04-12 14:40 +0200
Re: DOH (was: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-04-12 15:50 +0200
Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2020-04-12 15:00 +0200
Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2020-04-11 23:40 +0200
Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2020-04-12 10:00 +0200
Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2020-04-13 16:00 +0200
Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2020-04-13 16:40 +0200
Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps Michael Howard <mike@dewberryfields.co.uk> - 2020-04-13 16:40 +0200
Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2020-04-11 17:10 +0200
Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2020-04-09 18:20 +0200
Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps "Anil Felipe Duggirala" <anilduggirala@fastmail.fm> - 2020-04-10 15:30 +0200
Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-04-10 15:50 +0200
Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2020-04-10 16:30 +0200
Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps Anil F Duggirala <anilduggirala@fastmail.fm> - 2020-04-11 16:40 +0200
Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps Anil F Duggirala <anilduggirala@fastmail.fm> - 2020-04-11 16:30 +0200
Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2020-04-10 16:30 +0200
Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2020-04-10 17:00 +0200
Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2020-04-10 17:20 +0200
Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2020-04-10 17:40 +0200
Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2020-04-10 17:50 +0200
Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2020-04-10 18:10 +0200
Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2020-04-10 20:00 +0200
Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-04-10 18:00 +0200
Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2020-04-10 18:20 +0200
Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-04-10 18:40 +0200
Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2020-04-10 18:40 +0200
Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps Anil F Duggirala <anilduggirala@fastmail.fm> - 2020-04-11 16:40 +0200
Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps tomas@tuxteam.de - 2020-04-11 16:50 +0200
Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps Anil F Duggirala <anilduggirala@fastmail.fm> - 2020-04-11 16:40 +0200
Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2020-04-11 17:30 +0200
Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2020-04-10 17:20 +0200
Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps Anil F Duggirala <anilduggirala@fastmail.fm> - 2020-04-11 16:30 +0200
Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2020-04-11 17:20 +0200
Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2020-04-13 13:40 +0200
Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2020-04-10 17:20 +0200
Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2020-04-10 20:00 +0200
Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-04-11 09:40 +0200
Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2020-04-11 10:30 +0200
Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps Anil F Duggirala <anilduggirala@fastmail.fm> - 2020-04-11 16:50 +0200
Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps mick crane <mick.crane@gmail.com> - 2020-04-10 19:00 +0200
Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2020-04-10 20:00 +0200
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| From | Joe <joe@jretrading.com> |
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| Date | 2020-04-11 23:40 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <zUw13-149-7@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #221211 |
On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 15:48:00 -0000 (UTC) Curt <curty@free.fr> wrote: > On 2020-04-11, Anil F Duggirala <anilduggirala@fastmail.fm> wrote: > >> > > >> > Perhaps it simply looks up your IP address. Would I be right in > >> > thinking that you are located in your DC? > >> So. I right now physically in the beautiful city of Cali, Colombia. > >> And > >> Gnome Maps is showing my location precise to about a 10 meter > >> radius of > >> my actual location. That is my concern. Location Services are Off > >> and have never been turned on on this machine. > >> > > I should not have said a 10 meter radius, thats not fair. I would > > say, always, within a 50 meter radius. Which imo is pretty precise > > for IP based location. > > > > BTW, I fed my IP address to this site > > https://www.maxmind.com/en/locate-my-ip-address > > and it nails my location approximately within a 50 meter radius (I > entered the latitudinal and longitudinal coordinate output into > Google's search engine, which brings up the spot in their Maps app). > > I found this surprising (in my vast ignorance). > That one places me in South Norwood, which is at least in the correct city. -- Joe
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| From | Curt <curty@free.fr> |
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| Date | 2020-04-12 10:00 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <zUFH3-70c-7@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #221234 |
On 2020-04-11, Joe <joe@jretrading.com> wrote: >> >> BTW, I fed my IP address to this site >> >> https://www.maxmind.com/en/locate-my-ip-address >> >> and it nails my location approximately within a 50 meter radius (I >> entered the latitudinal and longitudinal coordinate output into >> Google's search engine, which brings up the spot in their Maps app). >> >> I found this surprising (in my vast ignorance). >> > > That one places me in South Norwood, which is at least in the correct > city. > I guess the question in the context of this thread is whether the precision the OP is seeing can be attributed to a geolocation by IP, or whether his privacy settings are being violated. On another machine, for another app (Night Light), he complained about the lack of precision. But maybe that other machine is located in his summer home in Tierra del Fuego. I will hazard no further assumptions in that regard. Of course, if you can be located within a 50 m radius via your IP address as I have, you might wonder what purpose those privacy settings serve in the first place. But I guess you and others have demonstrated that in certain cases they do provide a benefit.
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| From | Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2020-04-13 16:00 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <zV7N0-7oD-19@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #221211 |
On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 15:48:00 -0000 (UTC) Curt <curty@free.fr> wrote: > On 2020-04-11, Anil F Duggirala <anilduggirala@fastmail.fm> wrote: > >> > > >> > Perhaps it simply looks up your IP address. Would I be right in > >> > thinking that you are located in your DC? > >> So. I right now physically in the beautiful city of Cali, Colombia. > >> And > >> Gnome Maps is showing my location precise to about a 10 meter radius > >> of > >> my actual location. That is my concern. Location Services are Off and > >> have never been turned on on this machine. > >> > > I should not have said a 10 meter radius, thats not fair. I would say, > > always, within a 50 meter radius. Which imo is pretty precise for IP > > based location. > > > > BTW, I fed my IP address to this site > > https://www.maxmind.com/en/locate-my-ip-address > > and it nails my location approximately within a 50 meter radius (I > entered the latitudinal and longitudinal coordinate output into Google's > search engine, which brings up the spot in their Maps app). > > I found this surprising (in my vast ignorance). Both maxmind and geoip.com put me about three miles from my actual location (both at the same point). Celejar
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| From | Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> |
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| Date | 2020-04-13 16:40 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <zV8pH-7Rq-9@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #221397 |
On 04/13/2020 08:53 AM, Celejar wrote: > On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 15:48:00 -0000 (UTC) > Curt <curty@free.fr> wrote: > >> On 2020-04-11, Anil F Duggirala <anilduggirala@fastmail.fm> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Perhaps it simply looks up your IP address. Would I be right in >>>>> thinking that you are located in your DC? >>>> So. I right now physically in the beautiful city of Cali, Colombia. >>>> And >>>> Gnome Maps is showing my location precise to about a 10 meter radius >>>> of >>>> my actual location. That is my concern. Location Services are Off and >>>> have never been turned on on this machine. >>>> >>> I should not have said a 10 meter radius, thats not fair. I would say, >>> always, within a 50 meter radius. Which imo is pretty precise for IP >>> based location. >>> >> >> BTW, I fed my IP address to this site >> >> https://www.maxmind.com/en/locate-my-ip-address >> >> and it nails my location approximately within a 50 meter radius (I >> entered the latitudinal and longitudinal coordinate output into Google's >> search engine, which brings up the spot in their Maps app). >> >> I found this surprising (in my vast ignorance). > > Both maxmind and geoip.com put me about three miles from my actual > location (both at the same point). > I don't know about maxmind, but geoip.com misses me by OVER 400 miles.
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| From | Michael Howard <mike@dewberryfields.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2020-04-13 16:40 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <zV8pH-7Rq-13@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #221397 |
On 13/04/2020 14:53, Celejar wrote: > On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 15:48:00 -0000 (UTC) > Curt <curty@free.fr> wrote: > >> On 2020-04-11, Anil F Duggirala <anilduggirala@fastmail.fm> wrote: >>>>> Perhaps it simply looks up your IP address. Would I be right in >>>>> thinking that you are located in your DC? >>>> So. I right now physically in the beautiful city of Cali, Colombia. >>>> And >>>> Gnome Maps is showing my location precise to about a 10 meter radius >>>> of >>>> my actual location. That is my concern. Location Services are Off and >>>> have never been turned on on this machine. >>>> >>> I should not have said a 10 meter radius, thats not fair. I would say, >>> always, within a 50 meter radius. Which imo is pretty precise for IP >>> based location. >>> >> BTW, I fed my IP address to this site >> >> https://www.maxmind.com/en/locate-my-ip-address >> >> and it nails my location approximately within a 50 meter radius (I >> entered the latitudinal and longitudinal coordinate output into Google's >> search engine, which brings up the spot in their Maps app). >> >> I found this surprising (in my vast ignorance). > Both maxmind and geoip.com put me about three miles from my actual > location (both at the same point). > > Celejar > maxmind put's me 134.7 miles away from my location. -- Michael Howard
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| From | John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> |
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| Date | 2020-04-11 17:10 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <zUpVF-5Uv-19@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #221201 |
Anil writes: > Location Services are set to Off This may mean that requests for location service by a browser or a script started by a browser will be declined, the intent being to prevent your location from being given out to Web sites. -- John Hasler jhasler@newsguy.com Elmwood, WI USA
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| From | John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> |
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| Date | 2020-04-09 18:20 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <zTI4i-45a-9@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #221123 |
It's just looking up your IP. The method isn't reliable (it usually puts me on the other side of the state) but it works more often than not. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geolocation_software -- John Hasler jhasler@newsguy.com Elmwood, WI USA
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| From | "Anil Felipe Duggirala" <anilduggirala@fastmail.fm> |
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| Date | 2020-04-10 15:30 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <zU1Tj-7Qn-15@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #221135 |
On Thu, Apr 9, 2020, at 11:16 AM, John Hasler wrote: > It's just looking up your IP. The method isn't reliable (it usually > puts me on the other side of the state) but it works more often than > not. > I don't believe this is the case. It's putting me right on the spot where I am. I live in Colombia, I don't know if somehow ISPs here have a more detailed (precise location) database based on IP, or if that is possible at all. Is there any way I could check to see exactly where Gnome Maps is getting the location from? What is the default geolocation service installed by Gnome or Debian? thank you,
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| From | <tomas@tuxteam.de> |
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| Date | 2020-04-10 15:50 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <zU2cG-7X8-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #221151 |
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On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 08:24:41AM -0500, Anil Felipe Duggirala wrote: > On Thu, Apr 9, 2020, at 11:16 AM, John Hasler wrote: > > It's just looking up your IP. The method isn't reliable (it usually > > puts me on the other side of the state) but it works more often than > > not. > > > I don't believe this is the case. You are, of course, entitled to your beliefs. The source is over there: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-maps/ I might have had a look, but browsing the repo requires a javascript-enabled browser, which I refuse to do unless I'm forced to. And at the moment I can't be bothered cloning the whole repo to convince you :-) At this point, your beliefs and those of two-three other people just differ ;-D Cheers -- t
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| From | Curt <curty@free.fr> |
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| Date | 2020-04-10 16:30 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <zU2Po-8q4-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #221152 |
On 2020-04-10, <tomas@tuxteam.de> <tomas@tuxteam.de> wrote: > > > On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 08:24:41AM -0500, Anil Felipe Duggirala wrote: >> On Thu, Apr 9, 2020, at 11:16 AM, John Hasler wrote: >> > It's just looking up your IP. The method isn't reliable (it usually >> > puts me on the other side of the state) but it works more often than >> > not. >> >=20 >> I don't believe this is the case. > > You are, of course, entitled to your beliefs. The source is > over there: > > https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-maps/ > The paradox or enigma here might be the fact that the OP complained in this forum that his Night Light feature had gotten his location rather wrong by what we can only assume was the same, IP-based method (before he presumably manually fed the app his exact longitudinal and latitudinal coordinates). Which leads you to wonder whether Night Light might be sharing that user-provided data with Maps.
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| From | Anil F Duggirala <anilduggirala@fastmail.fm> |
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| Date | 2020-04-11 16:40 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <zUpsC-5uJ-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #221154 |
On Fri, 2020-04-10 at 14:27 +0000, Curt wrote: > The paradox or enigma here might be the fact that the OP complained > in > this forum that his Night Light feature had gotten his location > rather > wrong by what we can only assume was the same, IP-based method > (before he > presumably manually fed the app his exact longitudinal and > latitudinal > coordinates). Which leads you to wonder whether Night Light might > be sharing that user-provided data with Maps. No Curt. This is not the case, this is a different machine, with a new Debian install. No location data has been provided by me and Location Services have been turned off all of the time.
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| From | Anil F Duggirala <anilduggirala@fastmail.fm> |
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| Date | 2020-04-11 16:30 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <zUpiW-5qB-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #221152 |
On Fri, 2020-04-10 at 15:47 +0200, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 08:24:41AM -0500, Anil Felipe Duggirala > wrote: > > On Thu, Apr 9, 2020, at 11:16 AM, John Hasler wrote: > > > It's just looking up your IP. The method isn't reliable (it > > > usually > > > puts me on the other side of the state) but it works more often > > > than > > > not. > > > > > I don't believe this is the case. > > You are, of course, entitled to your beliefs. The source is > over there: > > https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-maps/ > > I might have had a look, but browsing the repo requires a > javascript-enabled browser, which I refuse to do unless I'm > forced to. And at the moment I can't be bothered cloning the > whole repo to convince you :-) > > At this point, your beliefs and those of two-three other > people just differ ;-D > > Cheers > -- t I actually now believe you are all right. It is getting my location based on my IP, I believe this because I don't know of any other easy way of getting my location. I am on a laptop that does not have a gps device, nor is it connected to some kind of phone network. My question remains, why is a Gnome app not respecting the settings I am inputing in Gnome? (Location Services: Off) thank you,
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| From | John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> |
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| Date | 2020-04-10 16:30 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <zU2Pn-8q4-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #221151 |
I wrote: > It's just looking up your IP. The method isn't reliable (it usually > puts me on the other side of the state) but it works more often than > not. Anil Felipe Duggirala writes: > I don't believe this is the case. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geolocation_software -- John Hasler jhasler@newsguy.com Elmwood, WI USA
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| From | Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> |
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| Date | 2020-04-10 17:00 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <zU3ip-8E-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #221151 |
Hi.
On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 08:24:41AM -0500, Anil Felipe Duggirala wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 9, 2020, at 11:16 AM, John Hasler wrote:
> > It's just looking up your IP. The method isn't reliable (it usually
> > puts me on the other side of the state) but it works more often than
> > not.
>
> I don't believe this is the case.
The software behaviour does not depend on one's beliefs.
$ apt show gnome-maps | grep Dep
Depends: ... libgeocode-glib0 (>= 3.16.2) ...
$ apt-show libgeocode-glib0 | grep ^Desc
Description: geocoding and reverse geocoding GLib library using Nominatim
And the source of geocode-glib shows the actual server they're using:
GeocodeNominatim *
geocode_nominatim_get_gnome (void)
{
GeocodeNominatim *backend;
G_LOCK (backend_nominatim_gnome_lock);
backend = g_weak_ref_get (&backend_nominatim_gnome);
if (backend == NULL) {
backend = geocode_nominatim_new ("https://nominatim.gnome.org",
"zeeshanak@gnome.org");
g_weak_ref_set (&backend_nominatim_gnome, backend);
}
G_UNLOCK (backend_nominatim_gnome_lock);
return backend;
}
> Is there any way I could check to see exactly where Gnome Maps is getting the location from?
Being the GNOME software? The source is the only way to get sure.
I'd check tcp:443 connections to 8.43.85.23.
> What is the default geolocation service installed by Gnome or Debian?
That depends on your definition of "default Debian install". For
instance, last time I've used netboot I got no such service.
Reco
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| From | Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> |
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| Date | 2020-04-10 17:20 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <zU3BM-uX-9@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #221155 |
On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 03:14:33PM -0000, Curt wrote: > On 2020-04-10, Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> wrote: > > > > The software behaviour does not depend on one's beliefs. > > It does and can quite often depend on *user configuration*, though, and the OP I > believe has informed us he has *turned off* geolocation services. And GNOME Maps has this neat library as a dependency that can use geolocation regardless of the said setting. Reco
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| From | Curt <curty@free.fr> |
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| Date | 2020-04-10 17:40 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <zU3V8-BX-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #221157 |
On 2020-04-10, Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> wrote: > On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 03:14:33PM -0000, Curt wrote: >> On 2020-04-10, Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> wrote: >> > >> > The software behaviour does not depend on one's beliefs. >> >> It does and can quite often depend on *user configuration*, though, and the OP I >> believe has informed us he has *turned off* geolocation services. > > And GNOME Maps has this neat library as a dependency that can use > geolocation regardless of the said setting. So you're saying that Gnome Maps *uses* the geolocation library even in the case of a user who has explicitly turned that "feature" off in his privacy settings, in blatant disregard of those settings? That is really an egregious bug, then, and should be reported. > Reco > > --
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| From | Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> |
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| Date | 2020-04-10 17:50 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <zU44N-Fh-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #221160 |
On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 03:35:01PM -0000, Curt wrote: > On 2020-04-10, Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> wrote: > > On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 03:14:33PM -0000, Curt wrote: > >> On 2020-04-10, Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> wrote: > >> > > >> > The software behaviour does not depend on one's beliefs. > >> > >> It does and can quite often depend on *user configuration*, though, and the OP I > >> believe has informed us he has *turned off* geolocation services. > > > > And GNOME Maps has this neat library as a dependency that can use > > geolocation regardless of the said setting. > > So you're saying that Gnome Maps *uses* the geolocation library even in > the case of a user who has explicitly turned that "feature" off in his > privacy settings, in blatant disregard of those settings? > > That is really an egregious bug, then, and should be reported. I'm saying that it can. Too lazy to dig into the Javascript that GNOME Maps is written. Explains the behaviour OP's seeing IMO. Reco
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| From | Curt <curty@free.fr> |
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| Date | 2020-04-10 18:10 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <zU4o9-11f-11@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #221161 |
On 2020-04-10, Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> wrote: >> > >> > And GNOME Maps has this neat library as a dependency that can use >> > geolocation regardless of the said setting. >> >> So you're saying that Gnome Maps *uses* the geolocation library even in >> the case of a user who has explicitly turned that "feature" off in his >> privacy settings, in blatant disregard of those settings? >> >> That is really an egregious bug, then, and should be reported. > > I'm saying that it can. Too lazy to dig into the Javascript that GNOME We were already aware that Gnome Maps was capable of geolocation (that it uses X library to do so is orthogonal). The mystery to unravel (or egregious bug to report) here is that the OP is being geolocated when he has explicitly turned off that feature in his privacy settings. > Maps is written. Explains the behaviour OP's seeing IMO. > Reco > > --
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| From | John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> |
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| Date | 2020-04-10 20:00 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <zU66C-1SR-19@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #221161 |
Reco writes: > I'm saying that it can. Too lazy to dig into the Javascript that GNOME > Maps is written. Explains the behaviour OP's seeing IMO. It can also be explained by IP-based geolocation being accurate in that particular case, as it sometimes is. If the OP has a Google account Google has a lot more to go on than just the IP, of course. -- John Hasler jhasler@newsguy.com Elmwood, WI USA
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| From | <tomas@tuxteam.de> |
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| Date | 2020-04-10 18:00 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <zU4et-Iy-9@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #221160 |
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On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 03:35:01PM -0000, Curt wrote: > On 2020-04-10, Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> wrote: > > On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 03:14:33PM -0000, Curt wrote: > >> On 2020-04-10, Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> wrote: > >> > > >> > The software behaviour does not depend on one's beliefs. > >> > >> It does and can quite often depend on *user configuration*, though, and the OP I > >> believe has informed us he has *turned off* geolocation services. > > > > And GNOME Maps has this neat library as a dependency that can use > > geolocation regardless of the said setting. > > So you're saying that Gnome Maps *uses* the geolocation library even in > the case of a user who has explicitly turned that "feature" off in his > privacy settings, in blatant disregard of those settings? > > That is really an egregious bug, then, and should be reported. Perhaps just a misunderstanding, and Gnome simply calls "geolocation" to call into whatever API thingmajig your smartphone offers to query the GPS+plus+cell-tower position determination Rube Goldbergism? Falling back to Ip based guessing when that fails (or is disallowed)? I just don't know. Cheers -- tomás
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