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  geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps Anil F Duggirala <anilduggirala@fastmail.fm> - 2020-04-09 15:00 +0200
    Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-04-09 16:50 +0200
    Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2020-04-09 16:50 +0200
      Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps Anil F Duggirala <anilduggirala@fastmail.fm> - 2020-04-11 16:50 +0200
        Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-04-11 17:00 +0200
          Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2020-04-11 17:40 +0200
            Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-04-11 18:00 +0200
              Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2020-04-11 18:10 +0200
                Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2020-04-13 15:50 +0200
                  Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2020-04-13 23:10 +0200
            Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2020-04-11 18:00 +0200
            Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2020-04-11 20:50 +0200
              Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2020-04-12 01:20 +0200
                Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2020-04-12 02:40 +0200
                  Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-04-12 09:20 +0200
                    Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2020-04-12 20:20 +0200
        Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps Anil F Duggirala <anilduggirala@fastmail.fm> - 2020-04-11 17:00 +0200
          Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2020-04-11 17:50 +0200
            Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2020-04-11 18:00 +0200
              Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2020-04-11 18:20 +0200
            Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps rhkramer@gmail.com - 2020-04-11 22:10 +0200
              Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2020-04-11 22:20 +0200
                Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps rhkramer@gmail.com - 2020-04-12 02:30 +0200
                  Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2020-04-12 10:10 +0200
                    Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-04-12 10:20 +0200
                    Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-04-12 10:50 +0200
                      Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2020-04-12 11:50 +0200
                        Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-04-12 16:20 +0200
                          Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2020-04-12 17:00 +0200
                      Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-04-12 12:20 +0200
                        Re: DOH (was: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps) Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2020-04-12 12:30 +0200
                          Re: DOH (was: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-04-12 12:40 +0200
                            Re: DOH (was: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps) Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2020-04-12 13:10 +0200
                              Re: DOH (was: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-04-12 15:40 +0200
                              Re: DOH (was: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps) Lee <ler762@gmail.com> - 2020-04-13 01:50 +0200
                                Re: DOH (was: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps) Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2020-04-13 07:50 +0200
                                  Re: DOH (was: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps) Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-04-13 10:20 +0200
                                    Re: DOH (was: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps) Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2020-04-13 12:00 +0200
                                      Re: DOH (was: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-04-13 12:10 +0200
                                      Re: DOH (was: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps) Liam O'Toole <liam.p.otoole@gmail.com> - 2020-04-13 13:20 +0200
                                        Re: DOH (was: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps) Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2020-04-13 15:30 +0200
                                          Re: DOH (was: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps) Liam O'Toole <liam.p.otoole@gmail.com> - 2020-04-13 17:20 +0200
                                            Re: DOH John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2020-04-13 17:40 +0200
                                              Re: DOH "Liam O'Toole" <liam.p.otoole@gmail.com> - 2020-04-14 22:10 +0200
                                                Re: DOH Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2020-04-14 22:50 +0200
                                                  Re: DOH Liam O'Toole <liam.p.otoole@gmail.com> - 2020-04-14 23:30 +0200
                                                    Re: DOH Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2020-04-15 00:00 +0200
                                                    Re: DOH John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2020-04-15 01:10 +0200
                                                      Re: DOH Liam O'Toole <liam.p.otoole@gmail.com> - 2020-04-15 01:30 +0200
                                                    Re: DOH Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2020-04-15 09:00 +0200
                                    Re: DOH John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2020-04-13 17:30 +0200
                                  Re: DOH (was: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps) Lee <ler762@gmail.com> - 2020-04-14 00:50 +0200
                                    Re: DOH (was: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps) Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2020-04-14 08:20 +0200
                                      Re: DOH (was: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps) Lee <ler762@gmail.com> - 2020-04-14 13:10 +0200
                                        Re: DOH (was: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps) nito@dismail.de - 2020-04-14 13:50 +0200
                                          Re: DOH (was: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps) Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2020-04-14 14:10 +0200
                                        Re: DOH (was: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps) Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2020-04-14 15:30 +0200
                                          Re: DOH John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2020-04-14 17:40 +0200
                                  Re: DOH (was: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps) Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2020-04-14 05:40 +0200
                                    Re: DOH (was: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps) Lee <ler762@gmail.com> - 2020-04-14 11:50 +0200
                                      Re: DOH (was: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps) Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2020-04-14 19:00 +0200
                                        Re: DOH John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2020-04-14 19:20 +0200
                                          Re: DOH Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2020-04-15 00:00 +0200
                                Re: DOH (was: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-04-13 09:20 +0200
                                  Re: DOH John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2020-04-13 17:20 +0200
                                  Re: DOH (was: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps) Lee <ler762@gmail.com> - 2020-04-14 01:10 +0200
                                    Re: DOH (was: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps) tomas@tuxteam.de - 2020-04-14 10:10 +0200
                                    Re: DOH (was: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps) Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2020-04-14 13:40 +0200
                                      Re: DOH (was: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps) Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-04-14 16:40 +0200
                                      Re: DOH (was: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps) Lee <ler762@gmail.com> - 2020-04-15 01:20 +0200
                                        Re: DOH (was: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps) Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2020-04-15 13:50 +0200
                                          Re: DOH (was: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps) David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2020-04-15 16:50 +0200
                                          Re: DOH (was: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps) Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2020-04-17 05:30 +0200
                            Re: DOH (was: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps) Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2020-04-12 13:40 +0200
                              Re: DOH (was: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-04-12 15:40 +0200
                                Re: DOH Michael Howard <mike@dewberryfields.co.uk> - 2020-04-12 15:50 +0200
                                Re: DOH (was: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps) Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2020-04-12 18:10 +0200
                          Re: DOH (was: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps) Tixy <tixy@yxit.co.uk> - 2020-04-12 14:40 +0200
                            Re: DOH (was: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-04-12 15:50 +0200
                        Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2020-04-12 15:00 +0200
            Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2020-04-11 23:40 +0200
              Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2020-04-12 10:00 +0200
            Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2020-04-13 16:00 +0200
              Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2020-04-13 16:40 +0200
              Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps Michael Howard <mike@dewberryfields.co.uk> - 2020-04-13 16:40 +0200
        Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2020-04-11 17:10 +0200
    Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2020-04-09 18:20 +0200
      Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps "Anil Felipe Duggirala" <anilduggirala@fastmail.fm> - 2020-04-10 15:30 +0200
        Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-04-10 15:50 +0200
          Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2020-04-10 16:30 +0200
            Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps Anil F Duggirala <anilduggirala@fastmail.fm> - 2020-04-11 16:40 +0200
          Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps Anil F Duggirala <anilduggirala@fastmail.fm> - 2020-04-11 16:30 +0200
        Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2020-04-10 16:30 +0200
        Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2020-04-10 17:00 +0200
          Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2020-04-10 17:20 +0200
            Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2020-04-10 17:40 +0200
              Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2020-04-10 17:50 +0200
                Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2020-04-10 18:10 +0200
                Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2020-04-10 20:00 +0200
              Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-04-10 18:00 +0200
                Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2020-04-10 18:20 +0200
                  Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-04-10 18:40 +0200
                  Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2020-04-10 18:40 +0200
                Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps Anil F Duggirala <anilduggirala@fastmail.fm> - 2020-04-11 16:40 +0200
                  Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps tomas@tuxteam.de - 2020-04-11 16:50 +0200
              Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps Anil F Duggirala <anilduggirala@fastmail.fm> - 2020-04-11 16:40 +0200
                Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2020-04-11 17:30 +0200
          Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2020-04-10 17:20 +0200
          Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps Anil F Duggirala <anilduggirala@fastmail.fm> - 2020-04-11 16:30 +0200
            Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2020-04-11 17:20 +0200
            Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2020-04-13 13:40 +0200
        Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2020-04-10 17:20 +0200
          Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2020-04-10 20:00 +0200
        Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-04-11 09:40 +0200
          Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2020-04-11 10:30 +0200
          Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps Anil F Duggirala <anilduggirala@fastmail.fm> - 2020-04-11 16:50 +0200
    Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps mick crane <mick.crane@gmail.com> - 2020-04-10 19:00 +0200
      Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2020-04-10 20:00 +0200

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#221234

On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 15:48:00 -0000 (UTC)
Curt <curty@free.fr> wrote:

> On 2020-04-11, Anil F Duggirala <anilduggirala@fastmail.fm> wrote:
> >> > 
> >> > Perhaps it simply looks up your IP address. Would I be right in
> >> > thinking that you are located in your DC?  
> >> So. I right now physically in the beautiful city of Cali, Colombia.
> >> And
> >> Gnome Maps is showing my location precise to about a 10 meter
> >> radius of
> >> my actual location. That is my concern. Location Services are Off
> >> and have never been turned on on this machine.
> >>   
> > I should not have said a 10 meter radius, thats not fair. I would
> > say, always, within a 50 meter radius. Which imo is pretty precise
> > for IP based location.
> >  
> 
> BTW, I fed my IP address to this site
> 
>  https://www.maxmind.com/en/locate-my-ip-address
> 
> and it nails my location approximately within a 50 meter radius (I
> entered the latitudinal and longitudinal coordinate output into
> Google's search engine, which brings up the spot in their Maps app).
> 
> I found this surprising (in my vast ignorance). 
> 

That one places me in South Norwood, which is at least in the correct
city.

-- 
Joe

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#221256

On 2020-04-11, Joe <joe@jretrading.com> wrote:
>> 
>> BTW, I fed my IP address to this site
>> 
>>  https://www.maxmind.com/en/locate-my-ip-address
>> 
>> and it nails my location approximately within a 50 meter radius (I
>> entered the latitudinal and longitudinal coordinate output into
>> Google's search engine, which brings up the spot in their Maps app).
>> 
>> I found this surprising (in my vast ignorance). 
>> 
>
> That one places me in South Norwood, which is at least in the correct
> city.
>

I guess the question in the context of this thread is whether the
precision the OP is seeing can be attributed to a geolocation by IP, or
whether his privacy settings are being violated. On another machine, 
for another app (Night Light), he complained about the lack of
precision. But maybe that other machine is located in his summer home in
Tierra del Fuego. I will hazard no further assumptions in that regard.

Of course, if you can be located within a 50 m radius via your IP
address as I have, you might wonder what purpose those privacy settings
serve in the first place. But I guess you and others have demonstrated
that in certain cases they do provide a benefit.

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#221397

On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 15:48:00 -0000 (UTC)
Curt <curty@free.fr> wrote:

> On 2020-04-11, Anil F Duggirala <anilduggirala@fastmail.fm> wrote:
> >> > 
> >> > Perhaps it simply looks up your IP address. Would I be right in
> >> > thinking that you are located in your DC?
> >> So. I right now physically in the beautiful city of Cali, Colombia.
> >> And
> >> Gnome Maps is showing my location precise to about a 10 meter radius
> >> of
> >> my actual location. That is my concern. Location Services are Off and
> >> have never been turned on on this machine.
> >> 
> > I should not have said a 10 meter radius, thats not fair. I would say,
> > always, within a 50 meter radius. Which imo is pretty precise for IP
> > based location.
> >
> 
> BTW, I fed my IP address to this site
> 
>  https://www.maxmind.com/en/locate-my-ip-address
> 
> and it nails my location approximately within a 50 meter radius (I
> entered the latitudinal and longitudinal coordinate output into Google's
> search engine, which brings up the spot in their Maps app).
> 
> I found this surprising (in my vast ignorance). 

Both maxmind and geoip.com put me about three miles from my actual
location (both at the same point).

Celejar

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#221398

On 04/13/2020 08:53 AM, Celejar wrote:
> On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 15:48:00 -0000 (UTC)
> Curt <curty@free.fr> wrote:
> 
>> On 2020-04-11, Anil F Duggirala <anilduggirala@fastmail.fm> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Perhaps it simply looks up your IP address. Would I be right in
>>>>> thinking that you are located in your DC?
>>>> So. I right now physically in the beautiful city of Cali, Colombia.
>>>> And
>>>> Gnome Maps is showing my location precise to about a 10 meter radius
>>>> of
>>>> my actual location. That is my concern. Location Services are Off and
>>>> have never been turned on on this machine.
>>>>
>>> I should not have said a 10 meter radius, thats not fair. I would say,
>>> always, within a 50 meter radius. Which imo is pretty precise for IP
>>> based location.
>>>
>>
>> BTW, I fed my IP address to this site
>>
>>   https://www.maxmind.com/en/locate-my-ip-address
>>
>> and it nails my location approximately within a 50 meter radius (I
>> entered the latitudinal and longitudinal coordinate output into Google's
>> search engine, which brings up the spot in their Maps app).
>>
>> I found this surprising (in my vast ignorance).
> 
> Both maxmind and geoip.com put me about three miles from my actual
> location (both at the same point).
> 

I don't know about maxmind, but geoip.com misses me by OVER 400 miles.

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#221399

On 13/04/2020 14:53, Celejar wrote:
> On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 15:48:00 -0000 (UTC)
> Curt <curty@free.fr> wrote:
>
>> On 2020-04-11, Anil F Duggirala <anilduggirala@fastmail.fm> wrote:
>>>>> Perhaps it simply looks up your IP address. Would I be right in
>>>>> thinking that you are located in your DC?
>>>> So. I right now physically in the beautiful city of Cali, Colombia.
>>>> And
>>>> Gnome Maps is showing my location precise to about a 10 meter radius
>>>> of
>>>> my actual location. That is my concern. Location Services are Off and
>>>> have never been turned on on this machine.
>>>>
>>> I should not have said a 10 meter radius, thats not fair. I would say,
>>> always, within a 50 meter radius. Which imo is pretty precise for IP
>>> based location.
>>>
>> BTW, I fed my IP address to this site
>>
>>   https://www.maxmind.com/en/locate-my-ip-address
>>
>> and it nails my location approximately within a 50 meter radius (I
>> entered the latitudinal and longitudinal coordinate output into Google's
>> search engine, which brings up the spot in their Maps app).
>>
>> I found this surprising (in my vast ignorance).
> Both maxmind and geoip.com put me about three miles from my actual
> location (both at the same point).
>
> Celejar
>

maxmind put's me 134.7 miles away from my location.

-- 
Michael Howard

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#221204

Anil writes:
> Location Services are set to Off

This may mean that requests for location service by a browser or a script
started by a browser will be declined, the intent being to prevent your
location from being given out to Web sites.
-- 
John Hasler 
jhasler@newsguy.com
Elmwood, WI USA

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#221135

It's just looking up your IP.  The method isn't reliable (it usually
puts me on the other side of the state) but it works more often than
not.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geolocation_software
-- 
John Hasler 
jhasler@newsguy.com
Elmwood, WI USA

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#221151

On Thu, Apr 9, 2020, at 11:16 AM, John Hasler wrote:
> It's just looking up your IP.  The method isn't reliable (it usually
> puts me on the other side of the state) but it works more often than
> not.
> 
I don't believe this is the case. It's putting me right on the spot where I am. I live in Colombia, I don't know if somehow ISPs here have a more detailed (precise location) database based on IP, or if that is possible at all.
Is there any way I could check to see exactly where Gnome Maps is getting the location from? What is the default geolocation service installed by Gnome or Debian?
thank you,

 

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#221152

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On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 08:24:41AM -0500, Anil Felipe Duggirala wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 9, 2020, at 11:16 AM, John Hasler wrote:
> > It's just looking up your IP.  The method isn't reliable (it usually
> > puts me on the other side of the state) but it works more often than
> > not.
> > 
> I don't believe this is the case.

You are, of course, entitled to your beliefs. The source is
over there:

  https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-maps/

I might have had a look, but browsing the repo requires a
javascript-enabled browser, which I refuse to do unless I'm
forced to. And at the moment I can't be bothered cloning the
whole repo to convince you :-)

At this point, your beliefs and those of two-three other
people just differ ;-D

Cheers
-- t

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#221154

On 2020-04-10, <tomas@tuxteam.de> <tomas@tuxteam.de> wrote:
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 08:24:41AM -0500, Anil Felipe Duggirala wrote:
>> On Thu, Apr 9, 2020, at 11:16 AM, John Hasler wrote:
>> > It's just looking up your IP.  The method isn't reliable (it usually
>> > puts me on the other side of the state) but it works more often than
>> > not.
>> >=20
>> I don't believe this is the case.
>
> You are, of course, entitled to your beliefs. The source is
> over there:
>
>   https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-maps/
>

The paradox or enigma here might be the fact that the OP complained in
this forum that his Night Light feature had gotten his location rather
wrong by what we can only assume was the same, IP-based method (before he
presumably manually fed the app his exact longitudinal and latitudinal
coordinates). Which leads you to wonder whether Night Light might
be sharing that user-provided data with Maps.

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#221196

On Fri, 2020-04-10 at 14:27 +0000, Curt wrote:
> The paradox or enigma here might be the fact that the OP complained
> in
> this forum that his Night Light feature had gotten his location
> rather
> wrong by what we can only assume was the same, IP-based method
> (before he
> presumably manually fed the app his exact longitudinal and
> latitudinal
> coordinates). Which leads you to wonder whether Night Light might
> be sharing that user-provided data with Maps.

No Curt. This is not the case, this is a different machine, with a new
Debian install. No location data has been provided by me and Location
Services have been turned off all of the time.

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#221194

On Fri, 2020-04-10 at 15:47 +0200, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 08:24:41AM -0500, Anil Felipe Duggirala
> wrote:
> > On Thu, Apr 9, 2020, at 11:16 AM, John Hasler wrote:
> > > It's just looking up your IP.  The method isn't reliable (it
> > > usually
> > > puts me on the other side of the state) but it works more often
> > > than
> > > not.
> > > 
> > I don't believe this is the case.
> 
> You are, of course, entitled to your beliefs. The source is
> over there:
> 
>   https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-maps/
> 
> I might have had a look, but browsing the repo requires a
> javascript-enabled browser, which I refuse to do unless I'm
> forced to. And at the moment I can't be bothered cloning the
> whole repo to convince you :-)
> 
> At this point, your beliefs and those of two-three other
> people just differ ;-D
> 
> Cheers
> -- t


I actually now believe you are all right. It is getting my location
based on my IP, I believe this because I don't know of any other easy
way of getting my location. I am on a laptop that does not have a gps
device, nor is it connected to some kind of phone network.
My question remains, why is a Gnome app not respecting the settings I
am inputing in Gnome? (Location Services: Off)
thank you,

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#221153

 I wrote:
> It's just looking up your IP.  The method isn't reliable (it usually
> puts me on the other side of the state) but it works more often than
> not.

Anil Felipe Duggirala writes:
> I don't believe this is the case.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geolocation_software
-- 
John Hasler 
jhasler@newsguy.com
Elmwood, WI USA

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#221155

	Hi.

On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 08:24:41AM -0500, Anil Felipe Duggirala wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 9, 2020, at 11:16 AM, John Hasler wrote:
> > It's just looking up your IP.  The method isn't reliable (it usually
> > puts me on the other side of the state) but it works more often than
> > not.
>
> I don't believe this is the case.

The software behaviour does not depend on one's beliefs.

$ apt show gnome-maps | grep Dep
Depends: ... libgeocode-glib0 (>= 3.16.2) ...

$ apt-show libgeocode-glib0 | grep ^Desc
Description: geocoding and reverse geocoding GLib library using Nominatim

And the source of geocode-glib shows the actual server they're using:

GeocodeNominatim *
geocode_nominatim_get_gnome (void)
{
    GeocodeNominatim *backend;

    G_LOCK (backend_nominatim_gnome_lock);
    backend = g_weak_ref_get (&backend_nominatim_gnome);
    if (backend == NULL) {
        backend = geocode_nominatim_new ("https://nominatim.gnome.org",
                                         "zeeshanak@gnome.org");
        g_weak_ref_set (&backend_nominatim_gnome, backend);
    }
    G_UNLOCK (backend_nominatim_gnome_lock);

    return backend;
}


> Is there any way I could check to see exactly where Gnome Maps is getting the location from?

Being the GNOME software? The source is the only way to get sure.
I'd check tcp:443 connections to 8.43.85.23.


> What is the default geolocation service installed by Gnome or Debian?

That depends on your definition of "default Debian install". For
instance, last time I've used netboot I got no such service.

Reco

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#221157

On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 03:14:33PM -0000, Curt wrote:
> On 2020-04-10, Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> wrote:
> >
> > The software behaviour does not depend on one's beliefs.
> 
> It does and can quite often depend on *user configuration*, though, and the OP I
> believe has informed us he has *turned off* geolocation services.

And GNOME Maps has this neat library as a dependency that can use
geolocation regardless of the said setting.

Reco

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#221160

On 2020-04-10, Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 03:14:33PM -0000, Curt wrote:
>> On 2020-04-10, Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> wrote:
>> >
>> > The software behaviour does not depend on one's beliefs.
>> 
>> It does and can quite often depend on *user configuration*, though, and the OP I
>> believe has informed us he has *turned off* geolocation services.
>
> And GNOME Maps has this neat library as a dependency that can use
> geolocation regardless of the said setting.

So you're saying that Gnome Maps *uses* the geolocation library even in
the case of a user who has explicitly turned that "feature" off in his
privacy settings, in blatant disregard of those settings?

That is really an egregious bug, then, and should be reported. 

> Reco
>
>


-- 

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#221161

On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 03:35:01PM -0000, Curt wrote:
> On 2020-04-10, Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> wrote:
> > On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 03:14:33PM -0000, Curt wrote:
> >> On 2020-04-10, Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > The software behaviour does not depend on one's beliefs.
> >> 
> >> It does and can quite often depend on *user configuration*, though, and the OP I
> >> believe has informed us he has *turned off* geolocation services.
> >
> > And GNOME Maps has this neat library as a dependency that can use
> > geolocation regardless of the said setting.
> 
> So you're saying that Gnome Maps *uses* the geolocation library even in
> the case of a user who has explicitly turned that "feature" off in his
> privacy settings, in blatant disregard of those settings?
> 
> That is really an egregious bug, then, and should be reported. 

I'm saying that it can. Too lazy to dig into the Javascript that GNOME
Maps is written. Explains the behaviour OP's seeing IMO.

Reco

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#221163

On 2020-04-10, Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> wrote:
>> >
>> > And GNOME Maps has this neat library as a dependency that can use
>> > geolocation regardless of the said setting.
>> 
>> So you're saying that Gnome Maps *uses* the geolocation library even in
>> the case of a user who has explicitly turned that "feature" off in his
>> privacy settings, in blatant disregard of those settings?
>> 
>> That is really an egregious bug, then, and should be reported. 
>
> I'm saying that it can. Too lazy to dig into the Javascript that GNOME

We were already aware that Gnome Maps was capable of geolocation (that
it uses X library to do so is orthogonal). The mystery to unravel (or
egregious bug to report) here is that the OP is being geolocated when he
has explicitly turned off that feature in his privacy settings.

> Maps is written. Explains the behaviour OP's seeing IMO.

> Reco
>
>


-- 

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#221172

Reco writes:
> I'm saying that it can. Too lazy to dig into the Javascript that GNOME
> Maps is written. Explains the behaviour OP's seeing IMO.

It can also be explained by IP-based geolocation being accurate in that
particular case, as it sometimes is.

If the OP has a Google account Google has a lot more to go on than just
the IP, of course.
-- 
John Hasler 
jhasler@newsguy.com
Elmwood, WI USA

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#221162

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On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 03:35:01PM -0000, Curt wrote:
> On 2020-04-10, Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> wrote:
> > On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 03:14:33PM -0000, Curt wrote:
> >> On 2020-04-10, Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > The software behaviour does not depend on one's beliefs.
> >> 
> >> It does and can quite often depend on *user configuration*, though, and the OP I
> >> believe has informed us he has *turned off* geolocation services.
> >
> > And GNOME Maps has this neat library as a dependency that can use
> > geolocation regardless of the said setting.
> 
> So you're saying that Gnome Maps *uses* the geolocation library even in
> the case of a user who has explicitly turned that "feature" off in his
> privacy settings, in blatant disregard of those settings?
> 
> That is really an egregious bug, then, and should be reported. 

Perhaps just a misunderstanding, and Gnome simply calls
"geolocation" to call into whatever API thingmajig your
smartphone offers to query the GPS+plus+cell-tower position
determination Rube Goldbergism? Falling back to Ip based
guessing when that fails (or is disallowed)?

I just don't know.

Cheers
-- tomás

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