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  Re: Missing a "9" (possible font missing) Beco <rcb@beco.cc> - 2020-04-02 22:50 +0200
    Re: Missing a "9" (possible font missing) Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2020-04-03 01:10 +0200
      Re: Missing a "9" (possible font missing) Beco <rcb@beco.cc> - 2020-04-04 17:40 +0200
        Re: Missing a "9" (possible font missing) Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2020-04-04 18:00 +0200
          Re: Missing a "9" (possible font missing) Beco <rcb@beco.cc> - 2020-04-04 20:10 +0200
            Re: Missing a "9" (possible font missing) Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2020-04-04 23:40 +0200
              (solved - part 2) Re: Missing a "9" (possible font missing) Beco <rcb@beco.cc> - 2020-04-05 00:50 +0200

#220812 — Re: Missing a "9" (possible font missing)

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Hi guys,

A while ago I started this thread.

After installing tt-mscorefonsts-installer I wrote a new email with the
subject "solved" on it.

Guess I was wrong. The problem persists, now it looks like the problem is
Helvetica.

I found this link:

https://support.google.com/chrome/thread/2120514?hl=en

I don't use chrome, I use firefox. But it appears that the problem happens
in both browsers.

Still a mystery.

Maybe I messed up my system fonts. I wonder if there is a way to clean all
fonts and the the system back to its original set of fonts from the
installation.

Any clue on how to do that?

My best,

Bèco




On Mon, 21 Oct 2019 at 19:04, Michael Lange <klappnase@freenet.de> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> On Mon, 21 Oct 2019 17:39:24 -0400
> Larry Martell <larry.martell@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> >
> > There are many font finder apps. I use the WhatFont Chrome extension.
> > That page looks to be entirely in Verdana.
> >
>
> that depends on which fonts you have installed, according to the style
> sheet the requested font for the body is one of:
>
>         "Segoe UI", Verdana, "Lucida Grande", Arial, Helvetica,sans-serif;
>
> however in the section "für die Turnierdatenbank" (tournament database)
> there is only
>
>         FONT-FAMILY: "Lucida Grande", Verdana, Helvetica;
>
> Maybe this is the problem (although I would be surprised to learn that
> neither firefox nor chrome can handle this)? Anyway, installing
> ttf-mscorefonts-installer might be worth a try.
>
>
> Regards
>
> Michael
>
>
> .-.. .. ...- .   .-.. --- -. --.   .- -. -..   .--. .-. --- ... .--. . .-.
>
> There's a way out of any cage.
>                 -- Captain Christopher Pike, "The Menagerie" ("The Cage"),
>                    stardate unknown.
>
>

-- 
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you realize that what you heard is not what I meant" -- Alan Greenspan

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#220813

Beco wrote: 
> Guess I was wrong. The problem persists, now it looks like the problem is
> Helvetica.
> 
> I found this link:
> 
> https://support.google.com/chrome/thread/2120514?hl=en
> 
> I don't use chrome, I use firefox. But it appears that the problem happens
> in both browsers.
> 
> Still a mystery.


Open up the offending page in Firefox. Find a paragraph where
the 9 is missing.

Use the three-bar menu, Web Developer, Inspector. That should
open up a debugging console underneath the webpage.

On the left of the debugging console you should see a tree of
HTML elements. When you mouse over them, they will be
highlighted and so will the relevant portion of the page. Some
parts of the tree might be folded down into triangles, which you
can open up.

Find the smallest element that contains the 9. Click on it in
the tree to select it.

Now look over at the right side of the debugging console.
There's a Fonts tab. It will show you the precise font being
used.

That is your culprit. Tell us and we'll see if we can help you
remove it.

-dsr-

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#220880

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On Thu, 2 Apr 2020 at 20:03, Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> wrote:

> Beco wrote:
> > Guess I was wrong. The problem persists, now it looks like the problem is
> > Helvetica.
> >
> > I found this link:
> >
> > https://support.google.com/chrome/thread/2120514?hl=en
> >
> > I don't use chrome, I use firefox. But it appears that the problem
> happens
> > in both browsers.
> >
> > Still a mystery.
>
>
> Open up the offending page in Firefox. Find a paragraph where
> the 9 is missing.
>
> Use the three-bar menu, Web Developer, Inspector. That should
> open up a debugging console underneath the webpage.
>
> On the left of the debugging console you should see a tree of
> HTML elements. When you mouse over them, they will be
> highlighted and so will the relevant portion of the page. Some
> parts of the tree might be folded down into triangles, which you
> can open up.
>
> Find the smallest element that contains the 9. Click on it in
> the tree to select it.
>
> Now look over at the right side of the debugging console.
> There's a Fonts tab. It will show you the precise font being
> used.
>
> That is your culprit. Tell us and we'll see if we can help you
> remove it.
>
> -dsr-
>


Thanks Dan,

Did that. Still Lucida Grande.

I failed to install this font like 3 times from 3 different download sites.

Any official debian solution to it?

Thanks.

Dr. Bèco



-- 
Dr Beco
A.I. researcher

"I know you think you understand what you thought I said but I'm not sure
you realize that what you heard is not what I meant" -- Alan Greenspan

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#220881

Beco wrote: 
> On Thu, 2 Apr 2020 at 20:03, Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> wrote:
> 
> > Beco wrote:
> > > Guess I was wrong. The problem persists, now it looks like the problem is
> > > Helvetica.
> > >
> > > I found this link:
> > >
> > > https://support.google.com/chrome/thread/2120514?hl=en
> > >
> > > I don't use chrome, I use firefox. But it appears that the problem
> > happens
> > > in both browsers.
> > >
> > > Still a mystery.
> >
> >
> > Open up the offending page in Firefox. Find a paragraph where
> > the 9 is missing.
> >
> > Use the three-bar menu, Web Developer, Inspector. That should
> > open up a debugging console underneath the webpage.
> >
> > On the left of the debugging console you should see a tree of
> > HTML elements. When you mouse over them, they will be
> > highlighted and so will the relevant portion of the page. Some
> > parts of the tree might be folded down into triangles, which you
> > can open up.
> >
> > Find the smallest element that contains the 9. Click on it in
> > the tree to select it.
> >
> > Now look over at the right side of the debugging console.
> > There's a Fonts tab. It will show you the precise font being
> > used.
> >
> > That is your culprit. Tell us and we'll see if we can help you
> > remove it.
> >
> > -dsr-
> >
> 
> 
> Thanks Dan,
> 
> Did that. Still Lucida Grande.
> 
> I failed to install this font like 3 times from 3 different download sites.
> 
> Any official debian solution to it?


Let's try substitution at the X11 layer.

This syntax in your ~/.fonts.conf will change the response for one
font into an answer from another:

<alias>
 <family>Lucida Grande</family>
 <prefer>
  <family>DejaVu Sans</family>
 </prefer>
</alias>

Add as many stanzas as you like; then run fc-cache and restart
your application. 

-dsr-

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#220894

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Dear Dan,

Yes, this test indeed solved the "9" becoming a dash.

I could let that as is, but after many years using linux I learned that the
less you personalize your system, the less headache you will have in the
future.

So, how can I undo some probable mistake in my system and get it back to
what it is like when first installed?

Is there a debian package for Lucida Grande. I know I've tried to install
many out-of-repositories alternatives for Lucida Grande that I'm willing to
remove them all.

Thanks,

Béco




On Sat, 4 Apr 2020 at 12:58, Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> wrote:

> Beco wrote:
> > On Thu, 2 Apr 2020 at 20:03, Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> wrote:
> >
> > > Beco wrote:
> > > > Guess I was wrong. The problem persists, now it looks like the
> problem is
> > > > Helvetica.
> > > >
> > > > I found this link:
> > > >
> > > > https://support.google.com/chrome/thread/2120514?hl=en
> > > >
> > > > I don't use chrome, I use firefox. But it appears that the problem
> > > happens
> > > > in both browsers.
> > > >
> > > > Still a mystery.
> > >
> > >
> > > Open up the offending page in Firefox. Find a paragraph where
> > > the 9 is missing.
> > >
> > > Use the three-bar menu, Web Developer, Inspector. That should
> > > open up a debugging console underneath the webpage.
> > >
> > > On the left of the debugging console you should see a tree of
> > > HTML elements. When you mouse over them, they will be
> > > highlighted and so will the relevant portion of the page. Some
> > > parts of the tree might be folded down into triangles, which you
> > > can open up.
> > >
> > > Find the smallest element that contains the 9. Click on it in
> > > the tree to select it.
> > >
> > > Now look over at the right side of the debugging console.
> > > There's a Fonts tab. It will show you the precise font being
> > > used.
> > >
> > > That is your culprit. Tell us and we'll see if we can help you
> > > remove it.
> > >
> > > -dsr-
> > >
> >
> >
> > Thanks Dan,
> >
> > Did that. Still Lucida Grande.
> >
> > I failed to install this font like 3 times from 3 different download
> sites.
> >
> > Any official debian solution to it?
>
>
> Let's try substitution at the X11 layer.
>
> This syntax in your ~/.fonts.conf will change the response for one
> font into an answer from another:
>
> <alias>
>  <family>Lucida Grande</family>
>  <prefer>
>   <family>DejaVu Sans</family>
>  </prefer>
> </alias>
>
> Add as many stanzas as you like; then run fc-cache and restart
> your application.
>
> -dsr-
>


-- 
Dr Beco
A.I. researcher

"I know you think you understand what you thought I said but I'm not sure
you realize that what you heard is not what I meant" -- Alan Greenspan

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#220899

Beco wrote: 
> Yes, this test indeed solved the "9" becoming a dash.
> 
> I could let that as is, but after many years using linux I learned that the
> less you personalize your system, the less headache you will have in the
> future.
> 
> So, how can I undo some probable mistake in my system and get it back to
> what it is like when first installed?
> 
> Is there a debian package for Lucida Grande. I know I've tried to install
> many out-of-repositories alternatives for Lucida Grande that I'm willing to
> remove them all.

Sorry, there is not. Lucida Grande is a variant of Lucida Sans that
Apple commissioned and holds the copyright on.

It's very likely that one of those out-of-repo alternatives is
causing your problem; left to its own devices, the X11 font
system will look for a reasonable match when it doesn't have
precisely the font asked for. The fontconfig trick that I showed
you is the proper way to inform it of a user preference; it is
probably overriding something claiming to be Lucida Grande but
with a poor excuse for a 9 glyph.

Remove all the alternatives, and it should cope well enough.


-dsr-

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#220900 — (solved - part 2) Re: Missing a "9" (possible font missing)

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On Sat, 4 Apr 2020 at 18:32, Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> wrote:

> Beco wrote:
> > Yes, this test indeed solved the "9" becoming a dash.
> >
> > I could let that as is, but after many years using linux I learned that
> the
> > less you personalize your system, the less headache you will have in the
> > future.
> >
> > So, how can I undo some probable mistake in my system and get it back to
> > what it is like when first installed?
> >
> > Is there a debian package for Lucida Grande. I know I've tried to install
> > many out-of-repositories alternatives for Lucida Grande that I'm willing
> to
> > remove them all.
>
> Sorry, there is not. Lucida Grande is a variant of Lucida Sans that
> Apple commissioned and holds the copyright on.
>
> It's very likely that one of those out-of-repo alternatives is
> causing your problem; left to its own devices, the X11 font
> system will look for a reasonable match when it doesn't have
> precisely the font asked for. The fontconfig trick that I showed
> you is the proper way to inform it of a user preference; it is
> probably overriding something claiming to be Lucida Grande but
> with a poor excuse for a 9 glyph.
>
> Remove all the alternatives, and it should cope well enough.
>
>
> -dsr-
>


Dan,

I removed all Lucida crap from my system, and then I also removed that
small hack from
~/.fonts.conf

It is working ok now.

It is using an automatic alternative in the absence of Lucida Grande.
I can't say exactly what font it is using, but it is probably  what is
configured as firefox default (Dejavu Sans).

(That trick with firefox console don't show the actual font, only the one
chosen by the webmaster)



So, as a (second) solution, now I would again try to finish this thread
with (solved). In summary:

Do not install crap Lucida Grande fonts on your system.

If I find a better solution on days to come, I reply to this email.

Att.,

-- 
Dr Beco
A.I. researcher

"I know you think you understand what you thought I said but I'm not sure
you realize that what you heard is not what I meant" -- Alan Greenspan

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