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Small Open Source Digital Classroom

Started byMarkos <markos@c2o.pro.br>
First post2020-03-31 19:10 +0200
Last post2020-04-05 13:00 +0200
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  Small Open Source Digital Classroom Markos <markos@c2o.pro.br> - 2020-03-31 19:10 +0200
    Re: Small Open Source Digital Classroom Bob Weber <bobrweber@gmail.com> - 2020-03-31 19:40 +0200
      Re: Small Open Source Digital Classroom deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2020-03-31 20:20 +0200
        Re: Small Open Source Digital Classroom "Anil Felipe Duggirala" <anilduggirala@fastmail.fm> - 2020-03-31 22:20 +0200
          Re: Small Open Source Digital Classroom <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-03-31 22:30 +0200
            Re: Small Open Source Digital Classroom "Russell L. Harris" <russell@rlharris.org> - 2020-03-31 23:20 +0200
              Re: Small Open Source Digital Classroom deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2020-04-01 00:30 +0200
                Re: Small Open Source Digital Classroom Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2020-04-01 01:10 +0200
                  Re: Small Open Source Digital Classroom Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2020-04-01 03:20 +0200
              Re: Small Open Source Digital Classroom Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2020-04-01 01:10 +0200
                Re: Small Open Source Digital Classroom "Russell L. Harris" <russell@rlharris.org> - 2020-04-01 06:30 +0200
                  Re: Small Open Source Digital Classroom Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2020-04-01 15:00 +0200
                    Re: Small Open Source Digital Classroom "Russell L. Harris" <russell@rlharris.org> - 2020-04-01 17:20 +0200
                      Re: Small Open Source Digital Classroom Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2020-04-02 22:10 +0200
                    Re: Small Open Source Digital Classroom Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-04-01 18:30 +0200
                      Re: Small Open Source Digital Classroom Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2020-04-02 04:30 +0200
                      Re: Small Open Source Digital Classroom Keith Bainbridge <ke1th3216@zoho.com> - 2020-04-04 06:00 +0200
                Re: Small Open Source Digital Classroom juh <juh+debian@mailbox.org> - 2020-04-01 09:20 +0200
                  Re: Small Open Source Digital Classroom deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2020-04-01 09:50 +0200
                  Re: Small Open Source Digital Classroom Richard Hector <richard@walnut.gen.nz> - 2020-04-01 10:30 +0200
                  Re: Small Open Source Digital Classroom deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2020-04-01 13:20 +0200
                    Re: Small Open Source Digital Classroom juh <juh+debian@mailbox.org> - 2020-04-01 13:20 +0200
                  Re: Small Open Source Digital Classroom Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2020-04-01 15:50 +0200
                    Re: Small Open Source Digital Classroom Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2020-04-02 14:20 +0200
                      Re: Small Open Source Digital Classroom <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-04-02 15:00 +0200
                        Re: Small Open Source Digital Classroom Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2020-04-02 22:30 +0200
                      Re: Small Open Source Digital Classroom Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2020-04-02 22:20 +0200
              Re: Small Open Source Digital Classroom tomas@tuxteam.de - 2020-04-01 09:20 +0200
            Re: Small Open Source Digital Classroom Erwan David <erwan@rail.eu.org> - 2020-04-01 08:20 +0200
              Re: Small Open Source Digital Classroom Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2020-04-02 22:30 +0200
        Re: Small Open Source Digital Classroom nito@dismail.de - 2020-03-31 22:30 +0200
          Re: Small Open Source Digital Classroom <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-03-31 22:40 +0200
            Re: Small Open Source Digital Classroom mick crane <mick.crane@gmail.com> - 2020-04-01 15:00 +0200
          Re: Small Open Source Digital Classroom deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2020-04-01 00:30 +0200
          Re: Small Open Source Digital Classroom Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2020-04-02 11:00 +0200
            Re: Small Open Source Digital Classroom Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2020-04-02 22:20 +0200
              Re: Small Open Source Digital Classroom Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2020-04-03 18:20 +0200
                Re: Small Open Source Digital Classroom Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2020-04-03 18:30 +0200
                  Re: Small Open Source Digital Classroom Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2020-04-03 18:50 +0200
                    Re: Small Open Source Digital Classroom Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2020-04-03 22:00 +0200
                      Re: Small Open Source Digital Classroom Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2020-04-04 03:20 +0200
                        Re: Small Open Source Digital Classroom Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2020-04-05 07:40 +0200
                          Re: Small Open Source Digital Classroom Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2020-04-05 13:20 +0200
                            Re: Small Open Source Digital Classroom Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2020-04-05 15:30 +0200
                              Re: Small Open Source Digital Classroom Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2020-04-05 15:40 +0200
            Re: Small Open Source Digital Classroom Tom Dial <tddial@comcast.net> - 2020-04-04 00:40 +0200
    Re: Small Open Source Digital Classroom Jude DaShiell <jdashiel@panix.com> - 2020-03-31 20:50 +0200
    Re: Small Open Source Digital Classroom Berkhan Berkdemir <berkberkdemir@gmail.com> - 2020-03-31 21:50 +0200
    Re: Small Open Source Digital Classroom Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2020-03-31 22:00 +0200
      Re: Small Open Source Digital Classroom Yvan Masson <yvan@masson-informatique.fr> - 2020-03-31 22:50 +0200
    Re: Small Open Source Digital Classroom Markos <markos@c2o.pro.br> - 2020-04-01 22:40 +0200
    Re: Small Open Source Digital Classroom dalios <dalios@eumx.net> - 2020-04-05 13:00 +0200

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#220766

Fromdeloptes <deloptes@gmail.com>
Date2020-04-01 13:20 +0200
Message-ID<zQJzz-j3-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#220759
juh wrote:

> My hosting cooperative Hostsharing runs BigBlueButton on Debian
> machines. We recently made a stress test with 47 participants to see
> what requirements are needed in reality.

very good - as far as I see theoretically it should be possible to run it on
windows, but no one tried ... so it automatically disqualifies

You know the market share of linux desktops?

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#220767

Fromjuh <juh+debian@mailbox.org>
Date2020-04-01 13:20 +0200
Message-ID<zQJzz-j3-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#220766
Am 01.04.20 um 13:14 schrieb deloptes:
> juh wrote:
> 
>> My hosting cooperative Hostsharing runs BigBlueButton on Debian
>> machines. We recently made a stress test with 47 participants to see
>> what requirements are needed in reality.
> 
> very good - as far as I see theoretically it should be possible to run it on
> windows, but no one tried ... so it automatically disqualifies
> 
> You know the market share of linux desktops?

It is a web solution. Clients only need a browser. Chrome is recommended.

juh

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#220771

FromCelejar <celejar@gmail.com>
Date2020-04-01 15:50 +0200
Message-ID<zQLUJ-1G2-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#220759
On Wed, 1 Apr 2020 09:11:55 +0200
juh <juh+debian@mailbox.org> wrote:

> Am 01.04.20 um 01:09 schrieb Celejar:
> > I spend some time today trying to find a libre alternative to Zoom,
> > preferably one in the Debian repos, but came up empty. The closest I
> > found were indeed Jitsi Meet (a part of the much larger Jitsi project),
> > and BigBlueButton, libre but designed to be installed on a Ubuntu
> > system. I'm actually puzzled by why there doesn't seem to be any easy,
> > solid libre alternative to Zoom.
> 
> My hosting cooperative Hostsharing runs BigBlueButton on Debian
> machines. We recently made a stress test with 47 participants to see
> what requirements are needed in reality.
> 
> BBB is running pretty stable on the server side. Participants should
> have a decent internet connection as bandwith is paramount especially if
> many participants stream video and audio.
> 
> We wrote a report about our test in German.
> 
> https://www.hostsharing.net/blog/2020/03/30/bigbluebutton-im-lasttest/
> 
> Use a translation server if you want to read it all but the figures
> should be clear enough.
> 
> Don't feed the next big corp that spies on us. ;-)

Thanks - I'd love to avoid feeding them to the extent that I can
reasonably do so ;)

How easy is it in practice to install on Debian? The following statement
in the FAQ scared me off:

*****

BigBlueButton requires Ubuntu 16.04 64-bit. See Install BigBlueButton.

We (the core developers) have not installed BigBlueButton on any other
version of Ubuntu. It probably won’t work.

*****

https://docs.bigbluebutton.org/support/faq.html

If the core developers are skeptical that it'll work on even other
versions of Ubuntu, that doesn't sound all that promising for Debian ...

Celejar

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#220798

FromCurt <curty@free.fr>
Date2020-04-02 14:20 +0200
Message-ID<zR6Zb-6yG-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#220771
On 2020-04-01, Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> How easy is it in practice to install on Debian? The following statement
> in the FAQ scared me off:
>
> *****
>
> BigBlueButton requires Ubuntu 16.04 64-bit. See Install BigBlueButton.
>
> We (the core developers) have not installed BigBlueButton on any other
> version of Ubuntu. It probably won’t work.
>
> *****
>
> https://docs.bigbluebutton.org/support/faq.html
>
> If the core developers are skeptical that it'll work on even other
> versions of Ubuntu, that doesn't sound all that promising for Debian ...

This thread isn't too encouraging (though I'm uncertain about the exact
nature of the participants):

https://github.com/bigbluebutton/bigbluebutton/issues/8861

> Celejar
>
>


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we are liable to credit the computer with thought... By that rule of inference,
there would have to be an orchestra somewhere inside your CD player and a farm
in your refrigerator."  --David Halpern

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#220804

From<tomas@tuxteam.de>
Date2020-04-02 15:00 +0200
Message-ID<zR7BT-6Mb-9@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#220798

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On Thu, Apr 02, 2020 at 12:13:24PM -0000, Curt wrote:
> On 2020-04-01, Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> wrote:

[...]

> This thread isn't too encouraging (though I'm uncertain about the exact
> nature of the participants):
> 
> https://github.com/bigbluebutton/bigbluebutton/issues/8861

LWN has a currently a topic on that (with, as usual, high quality
discussion):

  https://lwn.net/Articles/815751/

cheers
-- t

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#220811

FromCelejar <celejar@gmail.com>
Date2020-04-02 22:30 +0200
Message-ID<zReDo-2La-9@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#220804
On Thu, 2 Apr 2020 14:56:26 +0200
<tomas@tuxteam.de> wrote:

> On Thu, Apr 02, 2020 at 12:13:24PM -0000, Curt wrote:
> > On 2020-04-01, Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> [...]
> 
> > This thread isn't too encouraging (though I'm uncertain about the exact
> > nature of the participants):
> > 
> > https://github.com/bigbluebutton/bigbluebutton/issues/8861
> 
> LWN has a currently a topic on that (with, as usual, high quality
> discussion):
> 
>   https://lwn.net/Articles/815751/

As I suspected, the fact that it isn't in the official Debian repos has
its consequences (or is a symptom of underlying problems: even the LWN
editors, presumably fairly competent linux admins, had a fair amount of
trouble with the setup.

Celejar

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#220808

FromCelejar <celejar@gmail.com>
Date2020-04-02 22:20 +0200
Message-ID<zRetH-2HM-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#220798
On Thu, 2 Apr 2020 12:13:24 -0000 (UTC)
Curt <curty@free.fr> wrote:

> On 2020-04-01, Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > How easy is it in practice to install on Debian? The following statement
> > in the FAQ scared me off:
> >
> > *****
> >
> > BigBlueButton requires Ubuntu 16.04 64-bit. See Install BigBlueButton.
> >
> > We (the core developers) have not installed BigBlueButton on any other
> > version of Ubuntu. It probably won’t work.
> >
> > *****
> >
> > https://docs.bigbluebutton.org/support/faq.html
> >
> > If the core developers are skeptical that it'll work on even other
> > versions of Ubuntu, that doesn't sound all that promising for Debian ...
> 
> This thread isn't too encouraging (though I'm uncertain about the exact
> nature of the participants):
> 
> https://github.com/bigbluebutton/bigbluebutton/issues/8861

:|

It may be great software, but the fact that the devs don't provide
generic instructions for installing on arbitrary *nix systems rubs me
the wrong way.

Celejar

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#220760

Fromtomas@tuxteam.de
Date2020-04-01 09:20 +0200
Message-ID<zQFPj-6sa-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#220749

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On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 09:14:00PM +0000, Russell L. Harris wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 10:27:59PM +0200, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:
> >On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 03:09:47PM -0500, Anil Felipe Duggirala wrote:
> 
> >>I second Zoom. You can install it via flatpak, which might make you
> >>feel better. I tried jitsi some time ago, I think that will require
> >>a bit more setup for sure.
> 
> >It's proprietary, right?
> 
> According to the jitsi.org web site, Jitsi provides "Multi-platform
> open-source video conferencing".

Heh. That's the problem with "it". I was referring to Zoom, not Jitsi.

Cheers
-- t

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#220758

FromErwan David <erwan@rail.eu.org>
Date2020-04-01 08:20 +0200
Message-ID<zQETf-5Td-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#220745
Le 31/03/2020 à 22:27, tomas@tuxteam.de a écrit :
> On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 03:09:47PM -0500, Anil Felipe Duggirala wrote:
> 
> [...]
> 
>> I second Zoom. You can install it via flatpak, which might make you feel better. I tried jitsi some time ago, I think that will require a bit more setup for sure. 
> 
> It's proprietary, right?
> 
> -- t
> 

And with many privacy concerns :
https://yro.slashdot.org/story/20/03/31/201237/zoom-is-leaking-peoples-email-addresses-and-photos-to-strangers

https://theintercept.com/2020/03/31/zoom-meeting-encryption/

https://yro.slashdot.org/story/20/03/28/0457212/doc-searls-zoom-needs-to-clean-up-its-privacy-act

That makes a lot of concerns

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#220810

FromCelejar <celejar@gmail.com>
Date2020-04-02 22:30 +0200
Message-ID<zReDo-2La-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#220758
On Wed, 1 Apr 2020 08:16:43 +0200
Erwan David <erwan@rail.eu.org> wrote:

> Le 31/03/2020 à 22:27, tomas@tuxteam.de a écrit :
> > On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 03:09:47PM -0500, Anil Felipe Duggirala wrote:
> > 
> > [...]
> > 
> >> I second Zoom. You can install it via flatpak, which might make you feel better. I tried jitsi some time ago, I think that will require a bit more setup for sure. 
> > 
> > It's proprietary, right?
> > 
> > -- t
> > 
> 
> And with many privacy concerns :
> https://yro.slashdot.org/story/20/03/31/201237/zoom-is-leaking-peoples-email-addresses-and-photos-to-strangers
> 
> https://theintercept.com/2020/03/31/zoom-meeting-encryption/
> 
> https://yro.slashdot.org/story/20/03/28/0457212/doc-searls-zoom-needs-to-clean-up-its-privacy-act
> 
> That makes a lot of concerns

Looks like it's not just techies and privacy nerds who are concerned - the financial markets have taken notice:

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/guid/b7c418b4-7433-11ea-8a54-63f9ee54c9d9

Celejar

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#220744

Fromnito@dismail.de
Date2020-03-31 22:30 +0200
Message-ID<zQvGh-6z-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#220739
On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 08:17:56PM +0200, deloptes wrote:
> […] Recently I was looking at zoom.us - seems to be in
> hype now - can be installed in debian and can be used as video conferencing
> tool.

Based on zoom's "privacy" policy and everything I've herad so far about it,
I would not recommend using zoom. Some examples:
- Just a week or so ago it was exposed that zoom was sharing data with facebook
  without informing the user about it or giving any choice on that. Alledgedly
  they stopped it now [1]
- Zoom created Security-Holes with it's Mac-Client, that persisted even after
  deinstalling zoom on OSX. [2]  Personally I wouldn't trust their other clients 
  either.
- Zoom can collect more data about you then you might think and share this with 
  the meeting-creator. [3]
  
[1] https://www.komando.com/security-privacy/zoom-ios-app-facebook/732681/
[2] https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/8xzjj4/zoom-video-conferencing-vulnerability-lets-hackers-turn-on-your-webcam
[3] https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2020/03/what-you-should-know-about-online-tools-during-covid-19-crisis

Jitsi has already been mentioned and while I only ever used it for smaller 
groups, from what I've heard it can also handle larger groups, though in that 
case you might need to host your own instance on a server with enough bandwith.
That's if just a simple video conference is enough for this use case.

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#220747

From<tomas@tuxteam.de>
Date2020-03-31 22:40 +0200
Message-ID<zQvPX-aw-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#220744

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On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 10:27:28PM +0200, nito@dismail.de wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 08:17:56PM +0200, deloptes wrote:
> > […] Recently I was looking at zoom.us - seems to be in
> > hype now - can be installed in debian and can be used as video conferencing
> > tool.
> 
> Based on zoom's "privacy" policy and everything I've herad so far about it,
> I would not recommend using zoom. Some examples:

[...]

Shudder. OK, for me (and my customers) it's toast. Thanks for
pointing that out.

Cheers
-- t

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#220769

Frommick crane <mick.crane@gmail.com>
Date2020-04-01 15:00 +0200
Message-ID<zQL8l-1at-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#220747
On 2020-03-31 21:30, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 10:27:28PM +0200, nito@dismail.de wrote:
>> On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 08:17:56PM +0200, deloptes wrote:
>> > […] Recently I was looking at zoom.us - seems to be in
>> > hype now - can be installed in debian and can be used as video conferencing
>> > tool.
>> 
>> Based on zoom's "privacy" policy and everything I've herad so far 
>> about it,
>> I would not recommend using zoom. Some examples:
> 
> [...]
> 
> Shudder. OK, for me (and my customers) it's toast. Thanks for
> pointing that out.
> 
> Cheers
> -- t

Good job UK Cabinet isn't using it for teleconferencing.
Oh.

mick
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#220751

Fromdeloptes <deloptes@gmail.com>
Date2020-04-01 00:30 +0200
Message-ID<zQxyp-1gE-13@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#220744
nito@dismail.de wrote:

> Based on zoom's "privacy" policy and everything I've herad so far about
> it, I would not recommend using zoom. Some examples:
> - Just a week or so ago it was exposed that zoom was sharing data with
> facebook without informing the user about it or giving any choice on that.
> Alledgedly they stopped it now [1]
> - Zoom created Security-Holes with it's Mac-Client, that persisted even
> after deinstalling zoom on OSX. [2]  Personally I wouldn't trust their
> other clients either.
> - Zoom can collect more data about you then you might think and share this
> with the meeting-creator. [3]
> 
> [1] https://www.komando.com/security-privacy/zoom-ios-app-facebook/732681/
> [2]
>
[https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/8xzjj4/zoom-video-conferencing-vulnerability-lets-hackers-turn-on-your-webcam
> [3]
>
[https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2020/03/what-you-should-know-about-online-tools-during-covid-19-crisis

Good point. I did not install it for the reason, but still it is easy to
use - the target group has most probably all iPhone or Android and Facebook
etc. Right - so in the context, it is not a bigger issue than the one that
already exists

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#220796

FromCurt <curty@free.fr>
Date2020-04-02 11:00 +0200
Message-ID<zR3RD-4tX-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#220744
On 2020-03-31, nito@dismail.de <nito@dismail.de> wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 08:17:56PM +0200, deloptes wrote:
>> […] Recently I was looking at zoom.us - seems to be in
>> hype now - can be installed in debian and can be used as video conferencing
>> tool.
>
> Based on zoom's "privacy" policy and everything I've herad so far about it,
> I would not recommend using zoom. Some examples:
> - Just a week or so ago it was exposed that zoom was sharing data with facebook
>   without informing the user about it or giving any choice on that. Alledgedly
>   they stopped it now [1]
> - Zoom created Security-Holes with it's Mac-Client, that persisted even after
>   deinstalling zoom on OSX. [2]  Personally I wouldn't trust their other clients 
>   either.
> - Zoom can collect more data about you then you might think and share this with 
>   the meeting-creator. [3]
>   

I was just reading this little item about zoom from the G-men (actually,
Kristen is a Boston G-woman, apparently):

https://www.fbi.gov/contact-us/field-offices/boston/news/press-releases/fbi-warns-of-teleconferencing-and-online-classroom-hijacking-during-covid-19-pandemic

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#220809

FromCelejar <celejar@gmail.com>
Date2020-04-02 22:20 +0200
Message-ID<zRetI-2HM-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#220796
On Thu, 2 Apr 2020 08:56:18 -0000 (UTC)
Curt <curty@free.fr> wrote:

> On 2020-03-31, nito@dismail.de <nito@dismail.de> wrote:
> > On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 08:17:56PM +0200, deloptes wrote:
> >> […] Recently I was looking at zoom.us - seems to be in
> >> hype now - can be installed in debian and can be used as video conferencing
> >> tool.
> >
> > Based on zoom's "privacy" policy and everything I've herad so far about it,
> > I would not recommend using zoom. Some examples:
> > - Just a week or so ago it was exposed that zoom was sharing data with facebook
> >   without informing the user about it or giving any choice on that. Alledgedly
> >   they stopped it now [1]
> > - Zoom created Security-Holes with it's Mac-Client, that persisted even after
> >   deinstalling zoom on OSX. [2]  Personally I wouldn't trust their other clients 
> >   either.
> > - Zoom can collect more data about you then you might think and share this with 
> >   the meeting-creator. [3]
> >   
> 
> I was just reading this little item about zoom from the G-men (actually,
> Kristen is a Boston G-woman, apparently):
> 
> https://www.fbi.gov/contact-us/field-offices/boston/news/press-releases/fbi-warns-of-teleconferencing-and-online-classroom-hijacking-during-covid-19-pandemic

To be fair, at least this particular piece is not really about Zoom
security or privacy failings, but about users failing to take advantage
of the provided privacy and access controls.

Celejar

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#220831

FromCurt <curty@free.fr>
Date2020-04-03 18:20 +0200
Message-ID<zRxd0-5Ny-7@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#220809
On 2020-04-02, Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I was just reading this little item about zoom from the G-men (actually,
>> Kristen is a Boston G-woman, apparently):
>> 
>> https://www.fbi.gov/contact-us/field-offices/boston/news/press-releases/fbi-warns-of-teleconferencing-and-online-classroom-hijacking-during-covid-19-pandemic
>
> To be fair, at least this particular piece is not really about Zoom
> security or privacy failings, but about users failing to take advantage
> of the provided privacy and access controls.

To be exhaustive (and what are we here if not exhaustive), the piece
does address at least one of Zoom's default settings, which they've
recently changed because indeed it wasn't too sane and so might be
considered a security or privacy "failing" of sorts (screen sharing
settings now default to "Host Only" for *Education accounts*).

https://support.zoom.us/hc/en-us/articles/360041591671-March-2020-Update-to-sharing-settings-for-Education-accounts


> Celejar
>
>


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#220833

FromCelejar <celejar@gmail.com>
Date2020-04-03 18:30 +0200
Message-ID<zRxmF-5QO-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#220831
On Fri, 3 Apr 2020 16:14:26 -0000 (UTC)
Curt <curty@free.fr> wrote:

> On 2020-04-02, Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> 
> >> I was just reading this little item about zoom from the G-men (actually,
> >> Kristen is a Boston G-woman, apparently):
> >> 
> >> https://www.fbi.gov/contact-us/field-offices/boston/news/press-releases/fbi-warns-of-teleconferencing-and-online-classroom-hijacking-during-covid-19-pandemic
> >
> > To be fair, at least this particular piece is not really about Zoom
> > security or privacy failings, but about users failing to take advantage
> > of the provided privacy and access controls.
> 
> To be exhaustive (and what are we here if not exhaustive), the piece
> does address at least one of Zoom's default settings, which they've
> recently changed because indeed it wasn't too sane and so might be
> considered a security or privacy "failing" of sorts (screen sharing
> settings now default to "Host Only" for *Education accounts*).
> 
> https://support.zoom.us/hc/en-us/articles/360041591671-March-2020-Update-to-sharing-settings-for-Education-accounts

Fair enough - but has anyone looked into, say, Jitsi Meet's default
settings? Do they block non-hosts from screen sharing?

Celejar

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#220835

FromDan Purgert <dan@djph.net>
Date2020-04-03 18:50 +0200
Message-ID<zRxG1-5XK-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#220833

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On Apr 03, 2020, Celejar wrote:
>  [...]
> Fair enough - but has anyone looked into, say, Jitsi Meet's default
> settings? Do they block non-hosts from screen sharing?

IIRC, jit.si (their web-client) defaults to needing a passphrase to even
get in.  But I only ever took a cursory glance before "everyone(tm)"
decided to use Zoom (i.e. good luck to me ever getting teh missus, etc.
off that platform).

On the other hand, I think some of what Jitsi has going for it is that
it's somewhat decentralized -- if "my" server's settings are daft, it's
*my* problem, not Jitsi's (same for any other service I run myself).


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#220841

FromCelejar <celejar@gmail.com>
Date2020-04-03 22:00 +0200
Message-ID<zRADU-7Id-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#220835
On Fri, 3 Apr 2020 12:46:00 -0400
Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> wrote:

> On Apr 03, 2020, Celejar wrote:
> >  [...]
> > Fair enough - but has anyone looked into, say, Jitsi Meet's default
> > settings? Do they block non-hosts from screen sharing?
> 
> IIRC, jit.si (their web-client) defaults to needing a passphrase to even
> get in.  But I only ever took a cursory glance before "everyone(tm)"
> decided to use Zoom (i.e. good luck to me ever getting teh missus, etc.
> off that platform).

I did a quick test run at their hosted instance, at meet.jit.si I
created a meeting (using one of their generated semi-random phrases for
the URL / ID) on one computer, and then logged on to the same url from
another computer. No passphrase was required, which is apparently the
same as what Zoom was doing.

> On the other hand, I think some of what Jitsi has going for it is that
> it's somewhat decentralized -- if "my" server's settings are daft, it's
> *my* problem, not Jitsi's (same for any other service I run myself).

Exactly - your hardware, your network. Under your control, but you need
to bring the bandwidth and horsepower. I'm a little skeptical as to how
well it would perform over my home internet connection (besides for the
fact that it would certainly violate the TOS of pretty much any
residential ISP service).

Celejar

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