Groups | Search | Server Info | Keyboard shortcuts | Login | Register [http] [https] [nntp] [nntps]

Groups > linux.debian.user > #220737 > unrolled thread

Small Open Source Digital Classroom

Started byMarkos <markos@c2o.pro.br>
First post2020-03-31 19:10 +0200
Last post2020-04-05 13:00 +0200
Articles 20 on this page of 52 — 24 participants

Back to article view | Back to linux.debian.user

Contents

  Small Open Source Digital Classroom Markos <markos@c2o.pro.br> - 2020-03-31 19:10 +0200
    Re: Small Open Source Digital Classroom Bob Weber <bobrweber@gmail.com> - 2020-03-31 19:40 +0200
      Re: Small Open Source Digital Classroom deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2020-03-31 20:20 +0200
        Re: Small Open Source Digital Classroom "Anil Felipe Duggirala" <anilduggirala@fastmail.fm> - 2020-03-31 22:20 +0200
          Re: Small Open Source Digital Classroom <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-03-31 22:30 +0200
            Re: Small Open Source Digital Classroom "Russell L. Harris" <russell@rlharris.org> - 2020-03-31 23:20 +0200
              Re: Small Open Source Digital Classroom deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2020-04-01 00:30 +0200
                Re: Small Open Source Digital Classroom Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2020-04-01 01:10 +0200
                  Re: Small Open Source Digital Classroom Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2020-04-01 03:20 +0200
              Re: Small Open Source Digital Classroom Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2020-04-01 01:10 +0200
                Re: Small Open Source Digital Classroom "Russell L. Harris" <russell@rlharris.org> - 2020-04-01 06:30 +0200
                  Re: Small Open Source Digital Classroom Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2020-04-01 15:00 +0200
                    Re: Small Open Source Digital Classroom "Russell L. Harris" <russell@rlharris.org> - 2020-04-01 17:20 +0200
                      Re: Small Open Source Digital Classroom Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2020-04-02 22:10 +0200
                    Re: Small Open Source Digital Classroom Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-04-01 18:30 +0200
                      Re: Small Open Source Digital Classroom Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2020-04-02 04:30 +0200
                      Re: Small Open Source Digital Classroom Keith Bainbridge <ke1th3216@zoho.com> - 2020-04-04 06:00 +0200
                Re: Small Open Source Digital Classroom juh <juh+debian@mailbox.org> - 2020-04-01 09:20 +0200
                  Re: Small Open Source Digital Classroom deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2020-04-01 09:50 +0200
                  Re: Small Open Source Digital Classroom Richard Hector <richard@walnut.gen.nz> - 2020-04-01 10:30 +0200
                  Re: Small Open Source Digital Classroom deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2020-04-01 13:20 +0200
                    Re: Small Open Source Digital Classroom juh <juh+debian@mailbox.org> - 2020-04-01 13:20 +0200
                  Re: Small Open Source Digital Classroom Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2020-04-01 15:50 +0200
                    Re: Small Open Source Digital Classroom Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2020-04-02 14:20 +0200
                      Re: Small Open Source Digital Classroom <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-04-02 15:00 +0200
                        Re: Small Open Source Digital Classroom Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2020-04-02 22:30 +0200
                      Re: Small Open Source Digital Classroom Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2020-04-02 22:20 +0200
              Re: Small Open Source Digital Classroom tomas@tuxteam.de - 2020-04-01 09:20 +0200
            Re: Small Open Source Digital Classroom Erwan David <erwan@rail.eu.org> - 2020-04-01 08:20 +0200
              Re: Small Open Source Digital Classroom Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2020-04-02 22:30 +0200
        Re: Small Open Source Digital Classroom nito@dismail.de - 2020-03-31 22:30 +0200
          Re: Small Open Source Digital Classroom <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-03-31 22:40 +0200
            Re: Small Open Source Digital Classroom mick crane <mick.crane@gmail.com> - 2020-04-01 15:00 +0200
          Re: Small Open Source Digital Classroom deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2020-04-01 00:30 +0200
          Re: Small Open Source Digital Classroom Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2020-04-02 11:00 +0200
            Re: Small Open Source Digital Classroom Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2020-04-02 22:20 +0200
              Re: Small Open Source Digital Classroom Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2020-04-03 18:20 +0200
                Re: Small Open Source Digital Classroom Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2020-04-03 18:30 +0200
                  Re: Small Open Source Digital Classroom Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2020-04-03 18:50 +0200
                    Re: Small Open Source Digital Classroom Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2020-04-03 22:00 +0200
                      Re: Small Open Source Digital Classroom Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2020-04-04 03:20 +0200
                        Re: Small Open Source Digital Classroom Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2020-04-05 07:40 +0200
                          Re: Small Open Source Digital Classroom Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2020-04-05 13:20 +0200
                            Re: Small Open Source Digital Classroom Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2020-04-05 15:30 +0200
                              Re: Small Open Source Digital Classroom Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2020-04-05 15:40 +0200
            Re: Small Open Source Digital Classroom Tom Dial <tddial@comcast.net> - 2020-04-04 00:40 +0200
    Re: Small Open Source Digital Classroom Jude DaShiell <jdashiel@panix.com> - 2020-03-31 20:50 +0200
    Re: Small Open Source Digital Classroom Berkhan Berkdemir <berkberkdemir@gmail.com> - 2020-03-31 21:50 +0200
    Re: Small Open Source Digital Classroom Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2020-03-31 22:00 +0200
      Re: Small Open Source Digital Classroom Yvan Masson <yvan@masson-informatique.fr> - 2020-03-31 22:50 +0200
    Re: Small Open Source Digital Classroom Markos <markos@c2o.pro.br> - 2020-04-01 22:40 +0200
    Re: Small Open Source Digital Classroom dalios <dalios@eumx.net> - 2020-04-05 13:00 +0200

Page 1 of 3  [1] 2 3  Next page →

#220737 — Small Open Source Digital Classroom

FromMarkos <markos@c2o.pro.br>
Date2020-03-31 19:10 +0200
SubjectSmall Open Source Digital Classroom
Message-ID<zQsyK-6BO-5@gated-at.bofh.it>

[Multipart message — attachments visible in raw view] — view raw

Hi Friends,

My wife is a teacher and is trying to teach remote lessons using only 
WhatsApp video calls.

To help her I am looking for a package in the Debian repository to 
organize virtual classes for small groups, 5 or 6 students maximum.

Any suggestion of an open-source program easy-to-configure and 
easy-to-use for this?

Preferably a Debian package?

Thank you,

Markos

[toc] | [next] | [standalone]

#220738

FromBob Weber <bobrweber@gmail.com>
Date2020-03-31 19:40 +0200
Message-ID<zQt1L-6LI-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#220737

[Multipart message — attachments visible in raw view] — view raw

On 3/31/20 12:44 PM, Markos wrote:
>
> Hi Friends,
>
> My wife is a teacher and is trying to teach remote lessons using only WhatsApp 
> video calls.
>
> To help her I am looking for a package in the Debian repository to organize 
> virtual classes for small groups, 5 or 6 students maximum.
>
> Any suggestion of an open-source program easy-to-configure and easy-to-use for 
> this?
>
> Preferably a Debian package?
>
> Thank you,
>
> Markos
>
Have you seen Debian education? Start here and see if there are any programs 
that your wife could use.  They probably would need the students to have Debian 
on their computers or you could use vnc so they could all see what the teacher 
is doing on her computer (possible security problems maybe make students only 
view without write).

https://blends.debian.org/edu/tasks/ <https://blends.debian.org/edu/tasks/>


-- 


*...Bob*

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#220739

Fromdeloptes <deloptes@gmail.com>
Date2020-03-31 20:20 +0200
Message-ID<zQtEt-7eH-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#220738
Bob Weber wrote:

> Have you seen Debian education? Start here and see if there are any
> programs that your wife could use.  They probably would need the students
> to have Debian on their computers or you could use vnc so they could all
> see what the teacher is doing on her computer (possible security problems
> maybe make students only view without write).
> 
> https://blends.debian.org/edu/tasks/
> <https://blends.debian.org/edu/tasks/>

Sorry to make this comment, but for professional use, please, recommend
something that _is_ working. Most of the damage done to linux desktop is of
things not fully working or not working at all

Also think of administrative overhead. I would look into web tools instead.
Years ago we were doing few things with moodle - but it is huge and mostly
pays off only at institutional level. Since then I have not looked into
what is available, but I am sure there are plenty of open source free web
tools that can be used. Recently I was looking at zoom.us - seems to be in
hype now - can be installed in debian and can be used as video conferencing
tool.

Don't waste time on VNC - what a BS idea! If I were the teacher I would be
ashamed if my students had to use it.

On the fly google "linux free class room software" says

https://www.goodfirms.co/blog/the-9-best-free-and-open-source-digital-classroom-management-software
https://www.linux.com/news/best-linux-tools-teachers-and-students/
https://blog.capterra.com/the-top-free-digital-classroom-management-software-and-classroom-collaboration-tools/

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#220743

From"Anil Felipe Duggirala" <anilduggirala@fastmail.fm>
Date2020-03-31 22:20 +0200
Message-ID<zQvwB-8ui-11@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#220739
On Tue, Mar 31, 2020, at 1:17 PM, deloptes wrote:
> Bob Weber wrote:
> 
> > > Also think of administrative overhead. I would look into web tools instead.
> Years ago we were doing few things with moodle - but it is huge and mostly
> pays off only at institutional level. Since then I have not looked into
> what is available, but I am sure there are plenty of open source free web
> tools that can be used. Recently I was looking at zoom.us - seems to be in
> hype now - can be installed in debian and can be used as video conferencing
> tool.
> 
I second Zoom. You can install it via flatpak, which might make you feel better. I tried jitsi some time ago, I think that will require a bit more setup for sure.

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#220745

From<tomas@tuxteam.de>
Date2020-03-31 22:30 +0200
Message-ID<zQvGi-6z-11@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#220743

[Multipart message — attachments visible in raw view] — view raw

On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 03:09:47PM -0500, Anil Felipe Duggirala wrote:

[...]

> I second Zoom. You can install it via flatpak, which might make you feel better. I tried jitsi some time ago, I think that will require a bit more setup for sure. 

It's proprietary, right?

-- t

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#220749

From"Russell L. Harris" <russell@rlharris.org>
Date2020-03-31 23:20 +0200
Message-ID<zQwsF-E9-9@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#220745
On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 10:27:59PM +0200, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:
>On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 03:09:47PM -0500, Anil Felipe Duggirala wrote:

>>I second Zoom. You can install it via flatpak, which might make you
>>feel better. I tried jitsi some time ago, I think that will require
>>a bit more setup for sure.

>It's proprietary, right?

According to the jitsi.org web site, Jitsi provides "Multi-platform
open-source video conferencing".

You can conference through a server at jitsi.org, or you can download
a jitsi package (a Debian package is available) which you can install
on your own server and run with complete independence from jitsi.org.

At the moment, the Debian STABLE repository contains no Jitsi package.
Inasmuch as I make it a rule never to install on my primary machine
Debian packages other than those which downloaded from the Debian
repository, I installed Debian on a spare machine, and installed on
that machine the Debian package from jitsi.org.  jitsi worked nicely
for me.

RLH

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#220750

Fromdeloptes <deloptes@gmail.com>
Date2020-04-01 00:30 +0200
Message-ID<zQxyp-1gE-9@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#220749
Russell L. Harris wrote:

> You can conference through a server at jitsi.org, or you can download
> a jitsi package (a Debian package is available) which you can install
> on your own server and run with complete independence from jitsi.org.

well, if you had the bandwidth.
1:1 works @home, but conferencing needs a much better connection that costs
respectively

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#220752

FromGene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net>
Date2020-04-01 01:10 +0200
Message-ID<zQyb8-1JF-7@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#220750
On Tuesday 31 March 2020 18:24:30 deloptes wrote:

> Russell L. Harris wrote:
> > You can conference through a server at jitsi.org, or you can
> > download a jitsi package (a Debian package is available) which you
> > can install on your own server and run with complete independence
> > from jitsi.org.
>
> well, if you had the bandwidth.
> 1:1 works @home, but conferencing needs a much better connection that
> costs respectively

Since many of us are on an adsl rated at 10 megabit now, fast enough to 
watch youtube etc, what would you estimate is the minimum upload 
bandwidth needed to take the pain for others away?

Thanks deloptes.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#220754

FromCelejar <celejar@gmail.com>
Date2020-04-01 03:20 +0200
Message-ID<zQAcW-2Vb-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#220752
On Tue, 31 Mar 2020 19:05:47 -0400
Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> wrote:

> On Tuesday 31 March 2020 18:24:30 deloptes wrote:
> 
> > Russell L. Harris wrote:
> > > You can conference through a server at jitsi.org, or you can
> > > download a jitsi package (a Debian package is available) which you
> > > can install on your own server and run with complete independence
> > > from jitsi.org.
> >
> > well, if you had the bandwidth.
> > 1:1 works @home, but conferencing needs a much better connection that
> > costs respectively
> 
> Since many of us are on an adsl rated at 10 megabit now, fast enough to 
> watch youtube etc, what would you estimate is the minimum upload 
> bandwidth needed to take the pain for others away?

Here's a detailed analysis of this from the BigBlueButton FAQ -
different product, but some of the logic should carry over:

http://docs.bigbluebutton.org/support/faq.html#what-are-the-bandwidth-requirements-for-running-a-bigbluebutton-server

Celejar

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#220753

FromCelejar <celejar@gmail.com>
Date2020-04-01 01:10 +0200
Message-ID<zQyb8-1JF-13@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#220749
On Tue, 31 Mar 2020 21:14:00 +0000
"Russell L. Harris" <russell@rlharris.org> wrote:

> At the moment, the Debian STABLE repository contains no Jitsi package.

Actually, *no* official Debian repository currently contains Jitsi. It
was removed in 2017, apparently due to QA issues, although I don't know
the whole story:

https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=870990

> Inasmuch as I make it a rule never to install on my primary machine
> Debian packages other than those which downloaded from the Debian
> repository, I installed Debian on a spare machine, and installed on
> that machine the Debian package from jitsi.org.  jitsi worked nicely
> for me.

I spend some time today trying to find a libre alternative to Zoom,
preferably one in the Debian repos, but came up empty. The closest I
found were indeed Jitsi Meet (a part of the much larger Jitsi project),
and BigBlueButton, libre but designed to be installed on a Ubuntu
system. I'm actually puzzled by why there doesn't seem to be any easy,
solid libre alternative to Zoom.

Celejar

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#220755

From"Russell L. Harris" <russell@rlharris.org>
Date2020-04-01 06:30 +0200
Message-ID<zQDaN-4O0-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#220753
On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 07:09:35PM -0400, Celejar wrote:
>Actually, *no* official Debian repository currently contains Jitsi. It
>was removed in 2017, apparently due to QA issues, although I don't know
>the whole story:

Perhaps the problem was nothing more than a conflict with another
package in the Debian distribution.  Besides, that was three years
ago.  And Jitsi has a Debian package which I have installed on Debian
9; it is running properly.  

>I spent some time today trying to find a libre alternative to Zoom,
>preferably one in the Debian repos, but came up empty. The closest I
>found were indeed Jitsi Meet (a part of the much larger Jitsi
>project)...

It appears to me that Jitsi has something for everyone.  With nothing
more than a headset and a camera (camera optional) you can conference
via WebRTC on Jitsi.  Are you concerned about bandwith?  Log in
and give it a try; it is free.  Or you can install Jitsi and run your own
server.  And Jitsi is open source.  What more could you ask?

>I'm actually puzzled by why there doesn't seem to be any easy, solid
>libre alternative to Zoom.

Jitsi is easy.  Do you have reason to say that the current release of
Jitsi is not "solid"?  And is Zoom worthy of consideration?

RLH

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#220770

FromCelejar <celejar@gmail.com>
Date2020-04-01 15:00 +0200
Message-ID<zQL8m-1at-11@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#220755
On Wed, 1 Apr 2020 03:57:17 +0000
"Russell L. Harris" <russell@rlharris.org> wrote:

> On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 07:09:35PM -0400, Celejar wrote:
> >Actually, *no* official Debian repository currently contains Jitsi. It
> >was removed in 2017, apparently due to QA issues, although I don't know
> >the whole story:
> 
> Perhaps the problem was nothing more than a conflict with another
> package in the Debian distribution.  Besides, that was three years
> ago.  And Jitsi has a Debian package which I have installed on Debian
> 9; it is running properly.  

Yes, a Debian package prepared (and maintained) by upstream. My point
was that it isn't in *Debian's* repositories (even three years later).

> >I spent some time today trying to find a libre alternative to Zoom,
> >preferably one in the Debian repos, but came up empty. The closest I
> >found were indeed Jitsi Meet (a part of the much larger Jitsi
> >project)...
> 
> It appears to me that Jitsi has something for everyone.  With nothing
> more than a headset and a camera (camera optional) you can conference
> via WebRTC on Jitsi.  Are you concerned about bandwith?  Log in
> and give it a try; it is free.  Or you can install Jitsi and run your own

I did try the hosted instance (meet.jit.si) ;) It worked perfectly,
although I have no idea how well it would scale to dozens of users, and
how reliable / usable it would be in production use.

> server.  And Jitsi is open source.  What more could you ask?

I am indeed strongly tempted to try that. I suppose I'm just spoiled by
Debian - I almost always install stuff from the repos, and I tend to
assume (probably somewhat unreasonably) that if something isn't there,
there's a good reason for it, and that installing manually from
upstream is going to be more trouble than it's worth (at least for me
with my limited sysadmin skills). I acknowledge that this is an overly
narrow and pessimistic attitude ...

> >I'm actually puzzled by why there doesn't seem to be any easy, solid
> >libre alternative to Zoom.
> 
> Jitsi is easy.  Do you have reason to say that the current release of
> Jitsi is not "solid"?  And is Zoom worthy of consideration?

Only the fact that Jitsi has been booted from Debian due to quality (or
compatibility) problems and hasn't made it back in three years. I'm
currently using Zoom since

a) Everyone in my social and professional circles are using it and
b) It just works.

As above, 'b' is satisfied by the hosted instance at meet.jit.si, so
assuming it scales well and works in production, I'd definitely prefer
that, at least for cases where I'm not dependent on the preferences of
others.

Celejar

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#220777

From"Russell L. Harris" <russell@rlharris.org>
Date2020-04-01 17:20 +0200
Message-ID<zQNjQ-2ES-17@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#220770
On Wed, Apr 01, 2020 at 08:58:16AM -0400, Celejar wrote:
>I am indeed strongly tempted to try that. I suppose I'm just spoiled by
>Debian - I almost always install stuff from the repos, and I tend to
>assume (probably somewhat unreasonably) that if something isn't there,
>there's a good reason for it,

Understood.

>and that installing manually from upstream is going to be more
>trouble than it's worth (at least for me with my limited sysadmin
>skills).

Jitsi has a short video which steps you through the installation.
Perhaps it was not quite as easy as installing with Synaptic, but I
had no difficulty following it.

RLH

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#220807

FromCelejar <celejar@gmail.com>
Date2020-04-02 22:10 +0200
Message-ID<zRek1-2Es-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#220777
On Wed, 1 Apr 2020 14:50:40 +0000
"Russell L. Harris" <russell@rlharris.org> wrote:

> On Wed, Apr 01, 2020 at 08:58:16AM -0400, Celejar wrote:
> >I am indeed strongly tempted to try that. I suppose I'm just spoiled by
> >Debian - I almost always install stuff from the repos, and I tend to
> >assume (probably somewhat unreasonably) that if something isn't there,
> >there's a good reason for it,
> 
> Understood.
> 
> >and that installing manually from upstream is going to be more
> >trouble than it's worth (at least for me with my limited sysadmin
> >skills).
> 
> Jitsi has a short video which steps you through the installation.
> Perhaps it was not quite as easy as installing with Synaptic, but I
> had no difficulty following it.

Thanks

Celejar

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#220779

FromAndrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com>
Date2020-04-01 18:30 +0200
Message-ID<zQOpz-3pe-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#220770

[Multipart message — attachments visible in raw view] — view raw

On Mi, 01 apr 20, 08:58:16, Celejar wrote:
> On Wed, 1 Apr 2020 03:57:17 +0000
> "Russell L. Harris" <russell@rlharris.org> wrote:
> 
> > server.  And Jitsi is open source.  What more could you ask?
> 
> I am indeed strongly tempted to try that. I suppose I'm just spoiled by
> Debian - I almost always install stuff from the repos, and I tend to
> assume (probably somewhat unreasonably) that if something isn't there,
> there's a good reason for it, and that installing manually from
> upstream is going to be more trouble than it's worth (at least for me
> with my limited sysadmin skills). I acknowledge that this is an overly
> narrow and pessimistic attitude ...

On a quick research I couldn't find any particular reason why the 
package is not available also from Debian repositories.

There used to be a package maintained by two persons with @jitsi.org 
e-mail addresses. At some point they just stopped uploading it, though 
one of those persons is still maintaining the upstream packages.

It could be a manpower issue and/or upstream wants more flexibility than 
allowed by Debian policies.

E.g. in many cases upstream projects don't have a "stable", "long term 
support", "ESR", etc. branch (they may have valid reasons for that). 
This makes it very difficult to provide security support for the package 
in Debian.

Kind regards,
Andrei
-- 
http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#220790

FromCelejar <celejar@gmail.com>
Date2020-04-02 04:30 +0200
Message-ID<zQXMd-Ms-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#220779
On Wed, 1 Apr 2020 19:27:37 +0300
Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mi, 01 apr 20, 08:58:16, Celejar wrote:
> > On Wed, 1 Apr 2020 03:57:17 +0000
> > "Russell L. Harris" <russell@rlharris.org> wrote:
> > 
> > > server.  And Jitsi is open source.  What more could you ask?
> > 
> > I am indeed strongly tempted to try that. I suppose I'm just spoiled by
> > Debian - I almost always install stuff from the repos, and I tend to
> > assume (probably somewhat unreasonably) that if something isn't there,
> > there's a good reason for it, and that installing manually from
> > upstream is going to be more trouble than it's worth (at least for me
> > with my limited sysadmin skills). I acknowledge that this is an overly
> > narrow and pessimistic attitude ...
> 
> On a quick research I couldn't find any particular reason why the 
> package is not available also from Debian repositories.
> 
> There used to be a package maintained by two persons with @jitsi.org 
> e-mail addresses. At some point they just stopped uploading it, though 
> one of those persons is still maintaining the upstream packages.
> 
> It could be a manpower issue and/or upstream wants more flexibility than 
> allowed by Debian policies.
> 
> E.g. in many cases upstream projects don't have a "stable", "long term 
> support", "ESR", etc. branch (they may have valid reasons for that). 
> This makes it very difficult to provide security support for the package 
> in Debian.

All good points - thanks.

Celejar

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#220854

FromKeith Bainbridge <ke1th3216@zoho.com>
Date2020-04-04 06:00 +0200
Message-ID<zRI8q-3T9-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#220779
On 2/4/20 3:27 am, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> It could be a manpower issue and/or upstream wants more flexibility than
> allowed by Debian policies.

I use autokey. Until earlier this year the latest version available in 
debian was 0.90.odd. Version 0.95.10 is now available in testing thanks 
to some emailing from some of the user group.

It was a person-power thing 7 and only needed a prompt somewhere to be 
noticed by somebody who used and wasn't that a newer version was 
available. It went in to sid very quickly, and followed through to 
testing almost overnight (i know, it takes a few days, but there was no 
obvious delay).


It followed into current ubuntu (19.10) as well - quickly.


Somebody here knows the process, right?   If not I could go back and 
check it out.

-- 
Keith Bainbridge

ke1th3216@zoho.com
+61 (0)447 667 468

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#220759

Fromjuh <juh+debian@mailbox.org>
Date2020-04-01 09:20 +0200
Message-ID<zQFPj-6sa-7@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#220753
Am 01.04.20 um 01:09 schrieb Celejar:
> I spend some time today trying to find a libre alternative to Zoom,
> preferably one in the Debian repos, but came up empty. The closest I
> found were indeed Jitsi Meet (a part of the much larger Jitsi project),
> and BigBlueButton, libre but designed to be installed on a Ubuntu
> system. I'm actually puzzled by why there doesn't seem to be any easy,
> solid libre alternative to Zoom.

My hosting cooperative Hostsharing runs BigBlueButton on Debian
machines. We recently made a stress test with 47 participants to see
what requirements are needed in reality.

BBB is running pretty stable on the server side. Participants should
have a decent internet connection as bandwith is paramount especially if
many participants stream video and audio.

We wrote a report about our test in German.

https://www.hostsharing.net/blog/2020/03/30/bigbluebutton-im-lasttest/

Use a translation server if you want to read it all but the figures
should be clear enough.

Don't feed the next big corp that spies on us. ;-)

juh

-- 
Software-Dokumentation mit Sphinx
Zweite überarbeitete Auflage (Sphinx 2.0)
https://www.amazon.de/dp/1793008779
Paperback: 282 Seiten

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#220762

Fromdeloptes <deloptes@gmail.com>
Date2020-04-01 09:50 +0200
Message-ID<zQGil-6C7-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#220759
juh wrote:

> We wrote a report about our test in German.
> 
> https://www.hostsharing.net/blog/2020/03/30/bigbluebutton-im-lasttest/
> 
> Use a translation server if you want to read it all but the figures
> should be clear enough.

What is the ratio for the bandwidth - up/down?

For example I have 8Mbit 6/2.

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#220763

FromRichard Hector <richard@walnut.gen.nz>
Date2020-04-01 10:30 +0200
Message-ID<zQGV3-75b-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#220759
On 1/04/20 8:11 pm, juh wrote:
> Use a translation server if you want to read it all but the figures
> should be clear enough.

Commas are useful :-)

> Use a translation server if you want to read it all, but the figures
> should be clear enough.

> Use a translation server if you want to read it, all but the figures
> should be clear enough.

Those are very different meanings :-)

I suspect the first one is the intended one, but the second is what I
saw first.

Richard

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

Page 1 of 3  [1] 2 3  Next page →

Back to top | Article view | linux.debian.user

csiph-web