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| Started by | "Russell L. Harris" <russell@rlharris.org> |
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| First post | 2020-03-26 05:00 +0100 |
| Last post | 2020-03-27 16:00 +0100 |
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HTML mail + PDF attachments "Russell L. Harris" <russell@rlharris.org> - 2020-03-26 05:00 +0100
Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2020-03-26 06:00 +0100
Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments "Russell L. Harris" <russell@rlharris.org> - 2020-03-26 07:40 +0100
Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2020-03-26 10:10 +0100
Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2020-03-26 12:40 +0100
Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments Tixy <tixy@yxit.co.uk> - 2020-03-26 13:20 +0100
Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2020-03-26 13:40 +0100
Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2020-03-26 06:10 +0100
Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-03-26 09:30 +0100
Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments "Russell L. Harris" <russell@rlharris.org> - 2020-03-26 10:20 +0100
Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-03-26 10:50 +0100
Over-engineering, Libre Software and Open Source (was: HTML mail + PDF attachments) Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2020-03-26 16:40 +0100
Re: Over-engineering, Libre Software and Open Source (was: HTML mail + PDF attachments) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-03-26 17:30 +0100
Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments "Russell L. Harris" <russell@rlharris.org> - 2020-03-26 18:50 +0100
Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2020-03-26 12:50 +0100
Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2020-03-26 12:50 +0100
Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2020-03-26 16:50 +0100
Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-03-27 10:00 +0100
Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2020-03-27 12:50 +0100
Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-03-27 13:30 +0100
Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments Richard Hector <richard@walnut.gen.nz> - 2020-03-27 14:50 +0100
Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2020-03-27 15:40 +0100
Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2020-03-27 15:40 +0100
Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments (with șurubelniță) David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2020-03-27 17:20 +0100
Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments (with șurubelniță) Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2020-03-27 17:50 +0100
Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments (with șurubelniță) Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-03-27 18:10 +0100
Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments (with șurubelniță) Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2020-03-27 18:40 +0100
Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments (with șurubelniță) deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2020-03-27 21:20 +0100
Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments (with șurubelniță) Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2020-03-28 10:10 +0100
Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments (with șurubelniță) Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2020-03-28 10:40 +0100
Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments (with șurubelniță) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-03-28 11:10 +0100
Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments (with șurubelniță) Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2020-03-28 14:20 +0100
Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments (with șurubelniță) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-03-28 15:00 +0100
Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments (with șurubelniță) Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2020-03-28 15:40 +0100
Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments (with șurubelniță) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-03-28 16:10 +0100
Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments (with șurubelniță) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-03-28 10:40 +0100
Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments (with șurubelniță) Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2020-03-28 10:40 +0100
Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments (with șurubelniță) Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2020-03-28 10:50 +0100
Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments (with șurubelniță) Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2020-03-28 14:10 +0100
Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments (with șurubelniță) Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2020-03-27 20:40 +0100
Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments (with șurubelniță) David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2020-03-28 05:20 +0100
Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments (with șurubelniță) Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-03-28 09:40 +0100
Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments (with șurubelniță) David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2020-03-30 20:40 +0200
Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments (with șurubelniță) The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> - 2020-03-31 01:30 +0200
Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments (with șurubelniță) Richard Hector <richard@walnut.gen.nz> - 2020-03-31 12:00 +0200
Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments (with șurubelniță) Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2020-03-28 09:50 +0100
Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments (with șurubelniță) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-03-28 09:50 +0100
Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments (with șurubelniță) Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2020-03-30 13:30 +0200
Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments (with șurubelniță) David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2020-03-30 20:40 +0200
Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments (with ??urubelni????) "Russell L. Harris" <russell@rlharris.org> - 2020-03-27 21:10 +0100
Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2020-03-27 13:30 +0100
Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2020-03-27 13:30 +0100
Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-03-28 10:00 +0100
Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments Jason <electron@emypeople.net> - 2020-04-13 19:40 +0200
Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments "Russell L. Harris" <russell@rlharris.org> - 2020-04-13 20:50 +0200
Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-04-14 09:00 +0200
Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments "Russell L. Harris" <russell@rlharris.org> - 2020-04-14 09:30 +0200
Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-04-14 10:20 +0200
Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2020-04-14 22:30 +0200
Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments "Russell L. Harris" <russell@rlharris.org> - 2020-04-14 23:20 +0200
Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2020-04-23 03:20 +0200
Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2020-03-26 12:50 +0100
Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments Nate Bargmann <n0nb@n0nb.us> - 2020-03-26 12:50 +0100
Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments Erwan David <erwan@rail.eu.org> - 2020-03-26 15:00 +0100
Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments "Russell L. Harris" <russell@rlharris.org> - 2020-03-26 19:00 +0100
Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments Nate Bargmann <n0nb@n0nb.us> - 2020-03-27 02:30 +0100
Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments Eduardo M KALINOWSKI <eduardo@kalinowski.com.br> - 2020-03-26 13:30 +0100
Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2020-03-26 16:50 +0100
Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2020-03-26 17:20 +0100
Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments "Russell L. Harris" <russell@rlharris.org> - 2020-03-26 20:00 +0100
Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2020-03-27 04:30 +0100
[solved] Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments "Russell L. Harris" <russell@rlharris.org> - 2020-03-27 08:00 +0100
Re: [solved] Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2020-03-27 16:00 +0100
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| From | Richard Hector <richard@walnut.gen.nz> |
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| Date | 2020-03-27 14:50 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <zOXwZ-6Nt-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #220559 |
On 28/03/20 1:22 am, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > (attaching a zero length file with the name using some special Romanian > characters to this mail) Interesting. It appears Thunderbird won't let me save that. Presumably because it's empty. Also the list archive seems to have thrown it away. But that means I have no way to copy & paste the file name into Google Translate :-) Richard
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| From | David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2020-03-27 15:40 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <zOYjn-7nA-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #220563 |
On Sat 28 Mar 2020 at 02:48:04 (+1300), Richard Hector wrote: > On 28/03/20 1:22 am, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > (attaching a zero length file with the name using some special Romanian > > characters to this mail) > > Interesting. It appears Thunderbird won't let me save that. Presumably > because it's empty. That's worrying. I'd be looking for other reasons. For starters, test with a empty file having an ASCII name. > Also the list archive seems to have thrown it away. > > But that means I have no way to copy & paste the file name into Google > Translate :-) Orange juice and vodka. Cheers, David.
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| From | Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> |
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| Date | 2020-03-27 15:40 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <zOYjn-7nA-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #220559 |
Hi. On Fri, Mar 27, 2020 at 02:22:18PM +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > or an attachment was named using non-Latin characters. > > Is that non-Latin or non-ASCII? I'm not that familiar with the languages to qualify Romanian as a Latin or a non-Latin language, but your attachment really is: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: attachment; filename*=utf-8''%C8%99urubelni%C8%9B%C4%83_empty%2Etxt So, that's Unicode, at least a part of it, namely - \uc899, \uc89b and \uc483 glyphs. rfc2047_parameters works on it as intended btw. > The former would imply about half of the > world's population, the latter something like two thirds or more (just > guessing, didn't check numbers). Even for those cases there's a legitimate need to attach a file which name conforms to ASCII. Source code, patches, images with names like 20200327143420.jpg etc. Reco
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| From | David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2020-03-27 17:20 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments (with șurubelniță) |
| Message-ID | <zOZSa-8rs-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #220564 |
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On Fri 27 Mar 2020 at 17:35:19 (+0300), Reco wrote: > Hi. > > On Fri, Mar 27, 2020 at 02:22:18PM +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > > or an attachment was named using non-Latin characters. > > > > Is that non-Latin or non-ASCII? > > I'm not that familiar with the languages to qualify Romanian as a Latin > or a non-Latin language, I think we can agree that the Romans spoke Latin! > but your attachment really is: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Disposition: attachment; filename*=utf-8''%C8%99urubelni%C8%9B%C4%83_empty%2Etxt > > So, that's Unicode, at least a part of it, namely - \uc899, \uc89b and > \uc483 glyphs. > rfc2047_parameters works on it as intended btw. Yes, that looks entirely conformant with RFC 2231. filename the parameter * is encoded <empty> no count, as in one chunk = assignment utf-8 charset ' delimiter <empty> language irrelevant ' delimiter %C8%99ur… header text > > The former would imply about half of the > > world's population, the latter something like two thirds or more (just > > guessing, didn't check numbers). It seems that you might be conflating base64 and utf-8. AIUI headers with structured information (with parameters) are meant to use the RFC 2231 spec which is designed so that values can be broken up when long, have their character set specified, and also their language so that screen readers know how to pronounce the letters within that character set. Obviously, utf-8 can express all the written languages of the world, both real and fictitious. Unstructured fields can use the =?utf-8?B?KHdpdGggyJl1cnViZWxuacibxIMp?= type of encoding, and this post's subject line actually uses both: the B method (above) and the Q method, =?utf-8?Q?attachments_?=. > Even for those cases there's a legitimate need to attach a file which > name conforms to ASCII. Source code, patches, images with names like > 20200327143420.jpg etc. Cheers, David.
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| From | Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> |
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| Date | 2020-03-27 17:50 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments (with șurubelniță) |
| Message-ID | <zP0lc-9F-13@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #220567 |
On Fri, Mar 27, 2020 at 11:12:49AM -0500, David Wright wrote: > On Fri 27 Mar 2020 at 17:35:19 (+0300), Reco wrote: > > I'm not that familiar with the languages to qualify Romanian as a Latin > > or a non-Latin language, > > I think we can agree that the Romans spoke Latin! Err... Romanian is not the language that was spoken in Rome. It is, however, considered a "Romance language", meaning it has Latin as one of its primary roots. That said, I think the actual question was which character set it requires. According to <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanian_alphabet#Digital_typography>, it originally used ISO 8859-2. Of course, it would probably use UTF-8 on most modern systems.
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| From | Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2020-03-27 18:10 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments (with șurubelniță) |
| Message-ID | <zP0Ey-wf-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #220569 |
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On Vi, 27 mar 20, 12:42:17, Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Fri, Mar 27, 2020 at 11:12:49AM -0500, David Wright wrote: > > On Fri 27 Mar 2020 at 17:35:19 (+0300), Reco wrote: > > > I'm not that familiar with the languages to qualify Romanian as a Latin > > > or a non-Latin language, > > > > I think we can agree that the Romans spoke Latin! > > Err... Romanian is not the language that was spoken in Rome. > > It is, however, considered a "Romance language", meaning it has Latin > as one of its primary roots. Yep. > That said, I think the actual question was which character set it > requires. According to > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanian_alphabet#Digital_typography>, > it originally used ISO 8859-2. Unfortunately ISO 8859-2 doesn't properly support Romanian, mostly because the responsible entities in Romania didn't bother to come up with the necessary specification. Which then required ISO 8859-16... > Of course, it would probably use UTF-8 on most modern systems. Indeed. In my opinion there is barely a good reason to use anything else now, even for systems that are not meant to be used with any other language than English (there are also names of persons and locations to consider). Kind regards, Andrei -- http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser
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| From | Curt <curty@free.fr> |
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| Date | 2020-03-27 18:40 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments (with șurubelniță) |
| Message-ID | <zP17z-Hj-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #220569 |
On 2020-03-27, Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> wrote: > On Fri, Mar 27, 2020 at 11:12:49AM -0500, David Wright wrote: >> On Fri 27 Mar 2020 at 17:35:19 (+0300), Reco wrote: >> > I'm not that familiar with the languages to qualify Romanian as a Latin >> > or a non-Latin language, >> >> I think we can agree that the Romans spoke Latin! > > Err... Romanian is not the language that was spoken in Rome. Reco meant Roumanian (a Latin language). Or does everybody already know that? > It is, however, considered a "Romance language", meaning it has Latin > as one of its primary roots. > > That said, I think the actual question was which character set it > requires. According to ><https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanian_alphabet#Digital_typography>, > it originally used ISO 8859-2. Of course, it would probably use UTF-8 > on most modern systems. > > -- "When we encounter computer output that looks like what we produce by thinking, we are liable to credit the computer with thought... By that rule of inference, there would have to be an orchestra somewhere inside your CD player and a farm in your refrigerator." --David Halpern
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| From | deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2020-03-27 21:20 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments (with șurubelniță) |
| Message-ID | <zP3Cq-2j7-17@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #220571 |
Curt wrote: > Reco meant Roumanian (a Latin language). Or does everybody > already know that? > Yes, Romanian or Rumanian is Latin, but here in the context Latin is ambiguous. Romanian is Latin, because it belongs to the Latin family of languages like Italian. (well both of them descend from the Latin that was spoken whereever it was spoken in the Roman times although the Latin that we read in the Roman books was not spoken on the street). In the computer context we use Latin to denote the Latin alphabeth and it's variations in contrast to non-Latin alphabeth (Cyrillic, Hebrew, Chinese etc). This I call the Babylon of IT. Thanks God someone came up with UTF and Unicode ... but the damage was already done.
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| From | Curt <curty@free.fr> |
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| Date | 2020-03-28 10:10 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments (with șurubelniță) |
| Message-ID | <zPfDz-1qa-9@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #220576 |
On 2020-03-27, deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> wrote: > Curt wrote: > >> Reco meant Roumanian (a Latin language). Or does everybody >> already know that? >> > > Yes, Romanian or Rumanian is Latin, but here in the context Latin is > ambiguous. > My confusion stemmed from the fact I thought the correct word was "Roumanian," not Romanian, which I took for a typo, exposing my ignorance (which paradoxically seems to be increasing the more I know (because the more I know the more I realize I don't)). -- "When we encounter computer output that looks like what we produce by thinking, we are liable to credit the computer with thought... By that rule of inference, there would have to be an orchestra somewhere inside your CD player and a farm in your refrigerator." --David Halpern
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| From | Curt <curty@free.fr> |
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| Date | 2020-03-28 10:40 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments (with șurubelniță) |
| Message-ID | <zPg6C-1AN-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #220585 |
On 2020-03-28, <tomas@tuxteam.de> <tomas@tuxteam.de> wrote: > >> My confusion stemmed from the fact I thought the correct word was >> "Roumanian," not Romanian, which I took for a typo, exposing my > ^^ >> ignorance (which paradoxically seems to be increasing the more I know >> (because the more I know the more I realize I don't)). > > This betrays a little your French background :-) Yes, you're right, that's it. > Ain't (human) languages cool? Horribly messy and fascinating at the > same time. Perhaps as humans themselves. I love them! > > Cheers > -- t -- "When we encounter computer output that looks like what we produce by thinking, we are liable to credit the computer with thought... By that rule of inference, there would have to be an orchestra somewhere inside your CD player and a farm in your refrigerator." --David Halpern
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| From | <tomas@tuxteam.de> |
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| Date | 2020-03-28 11:10 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments (with șurubelniță) |
| Message-ID | <zPgzE-20u-13@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #220586 |
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On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 09:38:09AM -0000, Curt wrote: > On 2020-03-28, <tomas@tuxteam.de> <tomas@tuxteam.de> wrote: [...] > > This betrays a little your French background :-) > > Yes, you're right, that's it. Lest it be interpreted the wrong way: I'll venture to describe my relation to France and its culture as a kind of love afair. I'm still trying to wrap my limited brains around that wonderful language: often, I fail miserably, but I still enjoy it. Cheers -- t
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| From | Joe <joe@jretrading.com> |
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| Date | 2020-03-28 14:20 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments (with șurubelniță) |
| Message-ID | <zPjxv-3Or-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #220591 |
On Sat, 28 Mar 2020 11:03:54 +0100 <tomas@tuxteam.de> wrote: > On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 09:38:09AM -0000, Curt wrote: > > On 2020-03-28, <tomas@tuxteam.de> <tomas@tuxteam.de> wrote: > > [...] > > > > This betrays a little your French background :-) > > > > Yes, you're right, that's it. > > Lest it be interpreted the wrong way: I'll venture to describe > my relation to France and its culture as a kind of love afair. > > I'm still trying to wrap my limited brains around that wonderful > language: often, I fail miserably, but I still enjoy it. About fifty years ago, I could actually sort of hack my way through Spanish and French, at a present tense, 'plume de ma tante' level. I studied French for five years and Spanish for two, and I swear I ended up knowing more Spanish than French, despite being taught Spanish by a bearded Australian who looked a lot like Roger Whittaker. I still remember the odd few words... -- Joe
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| From | <tomas@tuxteam.de> |
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| Date | 2020-03-28 15:00 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments (with șurubelniță) |
| Message-ID | <zPkae-4ct-13@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #220595 |
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On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 01:15:25PM +0000, Joe wrote: > [...] despite being taught Spanish by a bearded Australian > who looked a lot like Roger Whittaker Sounds about right (note that I'm Spanish myself, although I'd rather say Cosmopolitan or something ;-) Cheers -- t
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| From | Curt <curty@free.fr> |
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| Date | 2020-03-28 15:40 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments (with șurubelniță) |
| Message-ID | <zPkMW-4Gc-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #220591 |
On 2020-03-28, <tomas@tuxteam.de> <tomas@tuxteam.de> wrote: > > >> > This betrays a little your French background :-) >> Yes, you're right, that's it. > Lest it be interpreted the wrong way: I'll venture to describe > my relation to France and its culture as a kind of love afair. Not at all; I'm an expatriate who's lost some of his Anglophonic reflexes after many years here in France. What's gone in one ear has pushed some stuff out the other. ;-) > I'm still trying to wrap my limited brains around that wonderful > language: often, I fail miserably, but I still enjoy it. Well, I've arrived at "Le Temps retrouvé" and plan next to read something from Balzac (never read anything of his). Somebody suggested a good entry point to me once some time ago, but I've forgotten what book of his it was. > Cheers > -- t > -- "When we encounter computer output that looks like what we produce by thinking, we are liable to credit the computer with thought... By that rule of inference, there would have to be an orchestra somewhere inside your CD player and a farm in your refrigerator." --David Halpern
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| From | <tomas@tuxteam.de> |
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| Date | 2020-03-28 16:10 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments (with șurubelniță) |
| Message-ID | <zPlfY-55B-13@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #220603 |
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On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 02:37:22PM -0000, Curt wrote: [...] > Not at all; I'm an expatriate who's lost some of his Anglophonic > reflexes after many years here in France. What's gone in one ear has > pushed some stuff out the other. That's why we often have two of them, after all ;-) Cheers -- t
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| From | <tomas@tuxteam.de> |
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| Date | 2020-03-28 10:40 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments (with șurubelniță) |
| Message-ID | <zPg6C-1AN-7@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #220585 |
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On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 09:08:23AM -0000, Curt wrote:
> On 2020-03-27, deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Curt wrote:
> >
> >> Reco meant Roumanian (a Latin language). Or does everybody
> >> already know that?
> >>
> >
> > Yes, Romanian or Rumanian is Latin, but here in the context Latin is
> > ambiguous.
> >
>
> My confusion stemmed from the fact I thought the correct word was
> "Roumanian," not Romanian, which I took for a typo, exposing my
^^
> ignorance (which paradoxically seems to be increasing the more I know
> (because the more I know the more I realize I don't)).
This betrays a little your French background :-)
Ain't (human) languages cool? Horribly messy and fascinating at the
same time. Perhaps as humans themselves. I love them!
Cheers
-- t
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| From | Joe <joe@jretrading.com> |
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| Date | 2020-03-28 10:40 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments (with șurubelniță) |
| Message-ID | <zPg6C-1AN-15@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #220585 |
On Sat, 28 Mar 2020 09:08:23 -0000 (UTC) Curt <curty@free.fr> wrote: > On 2020-03-27, deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> wrote: > > Curt wrote: > > > >> Reco meant Roumanian (a Latin language). Or does everybody > >> already know that? > >> > > > > Yes, Romanian or Rumanian is Latin, but here in the context Latin is > > ambiguous. > > > > My confusion stemmed from the fact I thought the correct word was > "Roumanian," not Romanian, which I took for a typo, exposing my > ignorance (which paradoxically seems to be increasing the more I know > (because the more I know the more I realize I don't)). > Either spelling is used in Britain, and sometimes Rumanian. -- Joe
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| From | Curt <curty@free.fr> |
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| Date | 2020-03-28 10:50 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments (with șurubelniță) |
| Message-ID | <zPggh-1Eq-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #220588 |
On 2020-03-28, Joe <joe@jretrading.com> wrote: >> > >> >> Reco meant Roumanian (a Latin language). Or does everybody >> >> already know that? >> >> >> > >> > Yes, Romanian or Rumanian is Latin, but here in the context Latin is >> > ambiguous. >> > >> >> My confusion stemmed from the fact I thought the correct word was >> "Roumanian," not Romanian, which I took for a typo, exposing my >> ignorance (which paradoxically seems to be increasing the more I know >> (because the more I know the more I realize I don't)). >> > > Either spelling is used in Britain, and sometimes Rumanian. You've retained those more Norman Conquest style spellings over there, I think. -- "When we encounter computer output that looks like what we produce by thinking, we are liable to credit the computer with thought... By that rule of inference, there would have to be an orchestra somewhere inside your CD player and a farm in your refrigerator." --David Halpern
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| From | Joe <joe@jretrading.com> |
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| Date | 2020-03-28 14:10 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments (with șurubelniță) |
| Message-ID | <zPjnQ-3Kc-15@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #220589 |
On Sat, 28 Mar 2020 09:44:20 -0000 (UTC) Curt <curty@free.fr> wrote: > On 2020-03-28, Joe <joe@jretrading.com> wrote: > >> > > >> >> Reco meant Roumanian (a Latin language). Or does everybody > >> >> already know that? > >> >> > >> > > >> > Yes, Romanian or Rumanian is Latin, but here in the context > >> > Latin is ambiguous. > >> > > >> > >> My confusion stemmed from the fact I thought the correct word was > >> "Roumanian," not Romanian, which I took for a typo, exposing my > >> ignorance (which paradoxically seems to be increasing the more I > >> know (because the more I know the more I realize I don't)). > >> > > > > Either spelling is used in Britain, and sometimes Rumanian. > > You've retained those more Norman Conquest style spellings over > there, I think. > > Mostly the 'our' stuff where you use 'or'. We do (as do you) actually still have a bit of Danish (son and daughter, from sen and dottir, nothing like the Latin forms). -- Joe
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| From | Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2020-03-27 20:40 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments (with șurubelniță) |
| Message-ID | <zP2ZI-1Q5-21@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #220569 |
On Fri 27 Mar 2020 at 12:42:17 -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Fri, Mar 27, 2020 at 11:12:49AM -0500, David Wright wrote: > > On Fri 27 Mar 2020 at 17:35:19 (+0300), Reco wrote: > > > I'm not that familiar with the languages to qualify Romanian as a Latin > > > or a non-Latin language, > > > > I think we can agree that the Romans spoke Latin! > > Err... Romanian is not the language that was spoken in Rome. Neither is Italian. > It is, however, considered a "Romance language", meaning it has Latin > as one of its primary roots. I took David Wright's comment to have a historical aspect to it. In which case, no one can disagree with it. -- Brian.
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