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HTML mail + PDF attachments

Started by"Russell L. Harris" <russell@rlharris.org>
First post2020-03-26 05:00 +0100
Last post2020-03-27 16:00 +0100
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  HTML mail + PDF attachments "Russell L. Harris" <russell@rlharris.org> - 2020-03-26 05:00 +0100
    Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2020-03-26 06:00 +0100
      Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments "Russell L. Harris" <russell@rlharris.org> - 2020-03-26 07:40 +0100
      Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2020-03-26 10:10 +0100
      Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2020-03-26 12:40 +0100
        Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments Tixy <tixy@yxit.co.uk> - 2020-03-26 13:20 +0100
          Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2020-03-26 13:40 +0100
    Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2020-03-26 06:10 +0100
    Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-03-26 09:30 +0100
      Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments "Russell L. Harris" <russell@rlharris.org> - 2020-03-26 10:20 +0100
        Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-03-26 10:50 +0100
          Over-engineering, Libre Software and Open Source (was: HTML mail +  PDF attachments) Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2020-03-26 16:40 +0100
            Re: Over-engineering, Libre Software and Open Source (was: HTML mail  + PDF attachments) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-03-26 17:30 +0100
          Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments "Russell L. Harris" <russell@rlharris.org> - 2020-03-26 18:50 +0100
        Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2020-03-26 12:50 +0100
          Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2020-03-26 12:50 +0100
        Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2020-03-26 16:50 +0100
          Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-03-27 10:00 +0100
            Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2020-03-27 12:50 +0100
              Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-03-27 13:30 +0100
                Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments Richard Hector <richard@walnut.gen.nz> - 2020-03-27 14:50 +0100
                  Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2020-03-27 15:40 +0100
                Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2020-03-27 15:40 +0100
                  Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments (with șurubelniță) David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2020-03-27 17:20 +0100
                    Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments (with șurubelniță) Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2020-03-27 17:50 +0100
                      Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments (with șurubelniță) Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-03-27 18:10 +0100
                      Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments (with  șurubelniță) Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2020-03-27 18:40 +0100
                        Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments (with șurubelniță) deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2020-03-27 21:20 +0100
                          Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments (with  șurubelniță) Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2020-03-28 10:10 +0100
                            Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments (with  șurubelniță) Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2020-03-28 10:40 +0100
                              Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments (with șurubelniță) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-03-28 11:10 +0100
                                Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments (with șurubelniță) Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2020-03-28 14:20 +0100
                                  Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments (with șurubelniță) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-03-28 15:00 +0100
                                Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments (with  șurubelniță) Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2020-03-28 15:40 +0100
                                  Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments (with șurubelniță) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-03-28 16:10 +0100
                            Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments (with șurubelniță) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-03-28 10:40 +0100
                            Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments (with șurubelniță) Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2020-03-28 10:40 +0100
                              Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments (with  șurubelniță) Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2020-03-28 10:50 +0100
                                Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments (with șurubelniță) Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2020-03-28 14:10 +0100
                      Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments (with șurubelniță) Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2020-03-27 20:40 +0100
                      Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments (with șurubelniță) David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2020-03-28 05:20 +0100
                        Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments (with șurubelniță) Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-03-28 09:40 +0100
                          Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments (with șurubelniță) David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2020-03-30 20:40 +0200
                            Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments (with șurubelniță) The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> - 2020-03-31 01:30 +0200
                            Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments (with șurubelniță) Richard Hector <richard@walnut.gen.nz> - 2020-03-31 12:00 +0200
                        Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments (with șurubelniță) Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2020-03-28 09:50 +0100
                        Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments (with șurubelniță) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-03-28 09:50 +0100
                        Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments (with șurubelniță) Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2020-03-30 13:30 +0200
                          Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments (with șurubelniță) David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2020-03-30 20:40 +0200
                    Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments (with ??urubelni????) "Russell L. Harris" <russell@rlharris.org> - 2020-03-27 21:10 +0100
            Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2020-03-27 13:30 +0100
              Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2020-03-27 13:30 +0100
            Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-03-28 10:00 +0100
        Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments Jason <electron@emypeople.net> - 2020-04-13 19:40 +0200
          Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments "Russell L. Harris" <russell@rlharris.org> - 2020-04-13 20:50 +0200
            Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-04-14 09:00 +0200
              Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments "Russell L. Harris" <russell@rlharris.org> - 2020-04-14 09:30 +0200
                Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-04-14 10:20 +0200
                Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2020-04-14 22:30 +0200
                  Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments "Russell L. Harris" <russell@rlharris.org> - 2020-04-14 23:20 +0200
                    Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2020-04-23 03:20 +0200
      Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2020-03-26 12:50 +0100
    Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments Nate Bargmann <n0nb@n0nb.us> - 2020-03-26 12:50 +0100
      Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments Erwan David <erwan@rail.eu.org> - 2020-03-26 15:00 +0100
      Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments "Russell L. Harris" <russell@rlharris.org> - 2020-03-26 19:00 +0100
        Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments Nate Bargmann <n0nb@n0nb.us> - 2020-03-27 02:30 +0100
    Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments Eduardo M KALINOWSKI <eduardo@kalinowski.com.br> - 2020-03-26 13:30 +0100
      Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2020-03-26 16:50 +0100
    Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2020-03-26 17:20 +0100
      Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments "Russell L. Harris" <russell@rlharris.org> - 2020-03-26 20:00 +0100
        Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2020-03-27 04:30 +0100
    [solved] Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments "Russell L. Harris" <russell@rlharris.org> - 2020-03-27 08:00 +0100
      Re: [solved] Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2020-03-27 16:00 +0100

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#220563

FromRichard Hector <richard@walnut.gen.nz>
Date2020-03-27 14:50 +0100
Message-ID<zOXwZ-6Nt-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#220559
On 28/03/20 1:22 am, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> (attaching a zero length file with the name using some special Romanian 
> characters to this mail)

Interesting. It appears Thunderbird won't let me save that. Presumably
because it's empty.

Also the list archive seems to have thrown it away.

But that means I have no way to copy & paste the file name into Google
Translate :-)

Richard

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#220565

FromDavid Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk>
Date2020-03-27 15:40 +0100
Message-ID<zOYjn-7nA-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#220563
On Sat 28 Mar 2020 at 02:48:04 (+1300), Richard Hector wrote:
> On 28/03/20 1:22 am, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> > (attaching a zero length file with the name using some special Romanian 
> > characters to this mail)
> 
> Interesting. It appears Thunderbird won't let me save that. Presumably
> because it's empty.

That's worrying. I'd be looking for other reasons.
For starters, test with a empty file having an ASCII name.

> Also the list archive seems to have thrown it away.
> 
> But that means I have no way to copy & paste the file name into Google
> Translate :-)

Orange juice and vodka.

Cheers,
David.

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#220564

FromReco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net>
Date2020-03-27 15:40 +0100
Message-ID<zOYjn-7nA-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#220559
	Hi.

On Fri, Mar 27, 2020 at 02:22:18PM +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> > or an attachment was named using non-Latin characters.
> 
> Is that non-Latin or non-ASCII?

I'm not that familiar with the languages to qualify Romanian as a Latin
or a non-Latin language, but your attachment really is:

Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Disposition: attachment; filename*=utf-8''%C8%99urubelni%C8%9B%C4%83_empty%2Etxt

So, that's Unicode, at least a part of it, namely - \uc899, \uc89b and
\uc483 glyphs.
rfc2047_parameters works on it as intended btw.


> The former would imply about half of the 
> world's population, the latter something like two thirds or more (just 
> guessing, didn't check numbers).

Even for those cases there's a legitimate need to attach a file which
name conforms to ASCII. Source code, patches, images with names like
20200327143420.jpg etc.

Reco

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#220567 — Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments (with șurubelniță)

FromDavid Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk>
Date2020-03-27 17:20 +0100
SubjectRe: HTML mail + PDF attachments (with șurubelniță)
Message-ID<zOZSa-8rs-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#220564

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On Fri 27 Mar 2020 at 17:35:19 (+0300), Reco wrote:
> 	Hi.
> 
> On Fri, Mar 27, 2020 at 02:22:18PM +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> > > or an attachment was named using non-Latin characters.
> > 
> > Is that non-Latin or non-ASCII?
> 
> I'm not that familiar with the languages to qualify Romanian as a Latin
> or a non-Latin language,

I think we can agree that the Romans spoke Latin!

> but your attachment really is:
> 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> Content-Disposition: attachment; filename*=utf-8''%C8%99urubelni%C8%9B%C4%83_empty%2Etxt
> 
> So, that's Unicode, at least a part of it, namely - \uc899, \uc89b and
> \uc483 glyphs.
> rfc2047_parameters works on it as intended btw.

Yes, that looks entirely conformant with RFC 2231.

filename	the parameter
*		is encoded
<empty>		no count, as in one chunk
=		assignment
utf-8		charset
'		delimiter
<empty>		language irrelevant
'		delimiter
%C8%99ur…	header text

> > The former would imply about half of the 
> > world's population, the latter something like two thirds or more (just 
> > guessing, didn't check numbers).

It seems that you might be conflating base64 and utf-8.

AIUI headers with structured information (with parameters) are meant
to use the RFC 2231 spec which is designed so that values can be
broken up when long, have their character set specified, and also
their language so that screen readers know how to pronounce the
letters within that character set. Obviously, utf-8 can express all
the written languages of the world, both real and fictitious.

Unstructured fields can use the =?utf-8?B?KHdpdGggyJl1cnViZWxuacibxIMp?=
type of encoding, and this post's subject line actually uses both: the
B method (above) and the Q method, =?utf-8?Q?attachments_?=.

> Even for those cases there's a legitimate need to attach a file which
> name conforms to ASCII. Source code, patches, images with names like
> 20200327143420.jpg etc.

Cheers,
David.

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#220569 — Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments (with șurubelniță)

FromGreg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org>
Date2020-03-27 17:50 +0100
SubjectRe: HTML mail + PDF attachments (with șurubelniță)
Message-ID<zP0lc-9F-13@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#220567
On Fri, Mar 27, 2020 at 11:12:49AM -0500, David Wright wrote:
> On Fri 27 Mar 2020 at 17:35:19 (+0300), Reco wrote:
> > I'm not that familiar with the languages to qualify Romanian as a Latin
> > or a non-Latin language,
> 
> I think we can agree that the Romans spoke Latin!

Err... Romanian is not the language that was spoken in Rome.

It is, however, considered a "Romance language", meaning it has Latin
as one of its primary roots.

That said, I think the actual question was which character set it
requires.  According to
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanian_alphabet#Digital_typography>,
it originally used ISO 8859-2.  Of course, it would probably use UTF-8
on most modern systems.

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#220570 — Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments (with șurubelniță)

FromAndrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com>
Date2020-03-27 18:10 +0100
SubjectRe: HTML mail + PDF attachments (with șurubelniță)
Message-ID<zP0Ey-wf-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#220569

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On Vi, 27 mar 20, 12:42:17, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 27, 2020 at 11:12:49AM -0500, David Wright wrote:
> > On Fri 27 Mar 2020 at 17:35:19 (+0300), Reco wrote:
> > > I'm not that familiar with the languages to qualify Romanian as a Latin
> > > or a non-Latin language,
> > 
> > I think we can agree that the Romans spoke Latin!
> 
> Err... Romanian is not the language that was spoken in Rome.
> 
> It is, however, considered a "Romance language", meaning it has Latin
> as one of its primary roots.

Yep.

> That said, I think the actual question was which character set it
> requires.  According to
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanian_alphabet#Digital_typography>,
> it originally used ISO 8859-2.

Unfortunately ISO 8859-2 doesn't properly support Romanian, mostly 
because the responsible entities in Romania didn't bother to come up 
with the necessary specification. Which then required ISO 8859-16...

> Of course, it would probably use UTF-8 on most modern systems.

Indeed. In my opinion there is barely a good reason to use anything else 
now, even for systems that are not meant to be used with any other 
language than English (there are also names of persons and locations to 
consider).

Kind regards,
Andrei
-- 
http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser

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#220571 — Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments (with șurubelniță)

FromCurt <curty@free.fr>
Date2020-03-27 18:40 +0100
SubjectRe: HTML mail + PDF attachments (with șurubelniță)
Message-ID<zP17z-Hj-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#220569
On 2020-03-27, Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 27, 2020 at 11:12:49AM -0500, David Wright wrote:
>> On Fri 27 Mar 2020 at 17:35:19 (+0300), Reco wrote:
>> > I'm not that familiar with the languages to qualify Romanian as a Latin
>> > or a non-Latin language,
>> 
>> I think we can agree that the Romans spoke Latin!
>
> Err... Romanian is not the language that was spoken in Rome.

Reco meant Roumanian (a Latin language). Or does everybody
already know that?

> It is, however, considered a "Romance language", meaning it has Latin
> as one of its primary roots.
>
> That said, I think the actual question was which character set it
> requires.  According to
><https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanian_alphabet#Digital_typography>,
> it originally used ISO 8859-2.  Of course, it would probably use UTF-8
> on most modern systems.
>
>


-- 
"When we encounter computer output that looks like what we produce by thinking,
we are liable to credit the computer with thought... By that rule of inference,
there would have to be an orchestra somewhere inside your CD player and a farm
in your refrigerator."  --David Halpern

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#220576 — Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments (with șurubelniță)

Fromdeloptes <deloptes@gmail.com>
Date2020-03-27 21:20 +0100
SubjectRe: HTML mail + PDF attachments (with șurubelniță)
Message-ID<zP3Cq-2j7-17@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#220571
Curt wrote:

> Reco meant Roumanian (a Latin language). Or does everybody
> already know that?
> 

Yes, Romanian or Rumanian is Latin, but here in the context Latin is
ambiguous. 

Romanian is Latin, because it belongs to the Latin family of languages like
Italian. (well both of them descend from the Latin that was spoken
whereever it was spoken in the Roman times although the Latin that we read
in the Roman books was not spoken on the street).

In the computer context we use Latin to denote the Latin alphabeth and it's
variations in contrast to non-Latin alphabeth (Cyrillic, Hebrew, Chinese
etc). This I call the Babylon of IT. Thanks God someone came up with UTF
and Unicode ... but the damage was already done.

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#220585 — Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments (with șurubelniță)

FromCurt <curty@free.fr>
Date2020-03-28 10:10 +0100
SubjectRe: HTML mail + PDF attachments (with șurubelniță)
Message-ID<zPfDz-1qa-9@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#220576
On 2020-03-27, deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> wrote:
> Curt wrote:
>
>> Reco meant Roumanian (a Latin language). Or does everybody
>> already know that?
>> 
>
> Yes, Romanian or Rumanian is Latin, but here in the context Latin is
> ambiguous. 
>

My confusion stemmed from the fact I thought the correct word was
"Roumanian," not Romanian, which I took for a typo, exposing my
ignorance (which paradoxically seems to be increasing the more I know
(because the more I know the more I realize I don't)).





-- 
"When we encounter computer output that looks like what we produce by thinking,
we are liable to credit the computer with thought... By that rule of inference,
there would have to be an orchestra somewhere inside your CD player and a farm
in your refrigerator."  --David Halpern

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#220586 — Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments (with șurubelniță)

FromCurt <curty@free.fr>
Date2020-03-28 10:40 +0100
SubjectRe: HTML mail + PDF attachments (with șurubelniță)
Message-ID<zPg6C-1AN-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#220585
On 2020-03-28, <tomas@tuxteam.de> <tomas@tuxteam.de> wrote:
>
>> My confusion stemmed from the fact I thought the correct word was
>> "Roumanian," not Romanian, which I took for a typo, exposing my
>     ^^
>> ignorance (which paradoxically seems to be increasing the more I know
>> (because the more I know the more I realize I don't)).
>
> This betrays a little your French background :-)

Yes, you're right, that's it.

> Ain't (human) languages cool? Horribly messy and fascinating at the
> same time. Perhaps as humans themselves. I love them!
>
> Cheers
> -- t


-- 
"When we encounter computer output that looks like what we produce by thinking,
we are liable to credit the computer with thought... By that rule of inference,
there would have to be an orchestra somewhere inside your CD player and a farm
in your refrigerator."  --David Halpern

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#220591 — Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments (with șurubelniță)

From<tomas@tuxteam.de>
Date2020-03-28 11:10 +0100
SubjectRe: HTML mail + PDF attachments (with șurubelniță)
Message-ID<zPgzE-20u-13@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#220586

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On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 09:38:09AM -0000, Curt wrote:
> On 2020-03-28, <tomas@tuxteam.de> <tomas@tuxteam.de> wrote:

[...]

> > This betrays a little your French background :-)
> 
> Yes, you're right, that's it.

Lest it be interpreted the wrong way: I'll venture to describe
my relation to France and its culture as a kind of love afair.

I'm still trying to wrap my limited brains around that wonderful
language: often, I fail miserably, but I still enjoy it.

Cheers
-- t

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#220595 — Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments (with șurubelniță)

FromJoe <joe@jretrading.com>
Date2020-03-28 14:20 +0100
SubjectRe: HTML mail + PDF attachments (with șurubelniță)
Message-ID<zPjxv-3Or-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#220591
On Sat, 28 Mar 2020 11:03:54 +0100
<tomas@tuxteam.de> wrote:

> On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 09:38:09AM -0000, Curt wrote:
> > On 2020-03-28, <tomas@tuxteam.de> <tomas@tuxteam.de> wrote:  
> 
> [...]
> 
> > > This betrays a little your French background :-)  
> > 
> > Yes, you're right, that's it.  
> 
> Lest it be interpreted the wrong way: I'll venture to describe
> my relation to France and its culture as a kind of love afair.
> 
> I'm still trying to wrap my limited brains around that wonderful
> language: often, I fail miserably, but I still enjoy it.

About fifty years ago, I could actually sort of hack my way through
Spanish and French, at a present tense, 'plume de ma tante' level. I
studied French for five years and Spanish for two, and I swear I ended
up knowing more Spanish than French, despite being taught Spanish by a
bearded Australian who looked a lot like Roger Whittaker. I still
remember the odd few words...

-- 
Joe

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#220598 — Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments (with șurubelniță)

From<tomas@tuxteam.de>
Date2020-03-28 15:00 +0100
SubjectRe: HTML mail + PDF attachments (with șurubelniță)
Message-ID<zPkae-4ct-13@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#220595

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On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 01:15:25PM +0000, Joe wrote:
> [...] despite being taught Spanish by a bearded Australian
> who looked a lot like Roger Whittaker

Sounds about right (note that I'm Spanish myself, although
I'd rather say Cosmopolitan or something ;-)

Cheers
-- t

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#220603 — Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments (with șurubelniță)

FromCurt <curty@free.fr>
Date2020-03-28 15:40 +0100
SubjectRe: HTML mail + PDF attachments (with șurubelniță)
Message-ID<zPkMW-4Gc-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#220591
On 2020-03-28, <tomas@tuxteam.de> <tomas@tuxteam.de> wrote:
>
>
>> > This betrays a little your French background :-)

>> Yes, you're right, that's it.

> Lest it be interpreted the wrong way: I'll venture to describe
> my relation to France and its culture as a kind of love afair.

Not at all; I'm an expatriate who's lost some of his Anglophonic
reflexes after many years here in France. What's gone in one ear has
pushed some stuff out the other.

;-)

> I'm still trying to wrap my limited brains around that wonderful
> language: often, I fail miserably, but I still enjoy it.

Well, I've arrived at "Le Temps retrouvé" and plan next to read
something from Balzac (never read anything of his). Somebody suggested a
good entry point to me once some time ago, but I've forgotten what book
of his it was.

> Cheers
> -- t
>


-- 
"When we encounter computer output that looks like what we produce by thinking,
we are liable to credit the computer with thought... By that rule of inference,
there would have to be an orchestra somewhere inside your CD player and a farm
in your refrigerator."  --David Halpern

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#220607 — Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments (with șurubelniță)

From<tomas@tuxteam.de>
Date2020-03-28 16:10 +0100
SubjectRe: HTML mail + PDF attachments (with șurubelniță)
Message-ID<zPlfY-55B-13@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#220603

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On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 02:37:22PM -0000, Curt wrote:

[...]

> Not at all; I'm an expatriate who's lost some of his Anglophonic
> reflexes after many years here in France. What's gone in one ear has
> pushed some stuff out the other.

That's why we often have two of them, after all ;-)

Cheers
-- t

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#220587 — Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments (with șurubelniță)

From<tomas@tuxteam.de>
Date2020-03-28 10:40 +0100
SubjectRe: HTML mail + PDF attachments (with șurubelniță)
Message-ID<zPg6C-1AN-7@gated-at.bofh.it>
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On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 09:08:23AM -0000, Curt wrote:
> On 2020-03-27, deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Curt wrote:
> >
> >> Reco meant Roumanian (a Latin language). Or does everybody
> >> already know that?
> >> 
> >
> > Yes, Romanian or Rumanian is Latin, but here in the context Latin is
> > ambiguous. 
> >
> 
> My confusion stemmed from the fact I thought the correct word was
> "Roumanian," not Romanian, which I took for a typo, exposing my
    ^^
> ignorance (which paradoxically seems to be increasing the more I know
> (because the more I know the more I realize I don't)).

This betrays a little your French background :-)

Ain't (human) languages cool? Horribly messy and fascinating at the
same time. Perhaps as humans themselves. I love them!

Cheers
-- t

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#220588 — Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments (with șurubelniță)

FromJoe <joe@jretrading.com>
Date2020-03-28 10:40 +0100
SubjectRe: HTML mail + PDF attachments (with șurubelniță)
Message-ID<zPg6C-1AN-15@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#220585
On Sat, 28 Mar 2020 09:08:23 -0000 (UTC)
Curt <curty@free.fr> wrote:

> On 2020-03-27, deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Curt wrote:
> >  
> >> Reco meant Roumanian (a Latin language). Or does everybody
> >> already know that?
> >>   
> >
> > Yes, Romanian or Rumanian is Latin, but here in the context Latin is
> > ambiguous. 
> >  
> 
> My confusion stemmed from the fact I thought the correct word was
> "Roumanian," not Romanian, which I took for a typo, exposing my
> ignorance (which paradoxically seems to be increasing the more I know
> (because the more I know the more I realize I don't)).
> 

Either spelling is used in Britain, and sometimes Rumanian.

-- 
Joe

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#220589 — Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments (with șurubelniță)

FromCurt <curty@free.fr>
Date2020-03-28 10:50 +0100
SubjectRe: HTML mail + PDF attachments (with șurubelniță)
Message-ID<zPggh-1Eq-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#220588
On 2020-03-28, Joe <joe@jretrading.com> wrote:
>> >  
>> >> Reco meant Roumanian (a Latin language). Or does everybody
>> >> already know that?
>> >>   
>> >
>> > Yes, Romanian or Rumanian is Latin, but here in the context Latin is
>> > ambiguous. 
>> >  
>> 
>> My confusion stemmed from the fact I thought the correct word was
>> "Roumanian," not Romanian, which I took for a typo, exposing my
>> ignorance (which paradoxically seems to be increasing the more I know
>> (because the more I know the more I realize I don't)).
>> 
>
> Either spelling is used in Britain, and sometimes Rumanian.

You've retained those more Norman Conquest style spellings over there, I
think.


-- 
"When we encounter computer output that looks like what we produce by thinking,
we are liable to credit the computer with thought... By that rule of inference,
there would have to be an orchestra somewhere inside your CD player and a farm
in your refrigerator."  --David Halpern

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#220593 — Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments (with șurubelniță)

FromJoe <joe@jretrading.com>
Date2020-03-28 14:10 +0100
SubjectRe: HTML mail + PDF attachments (with șurubelniță)
Message-ID<zPjnQ-3Kc-15@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#220589
On Sat, 28 Mar 2020 09:44:20 -0000 (UTC)
Curt <curty@free.fr> wrote:

> On 2020-03-28, Joe <joe@jretrading.com> wrote:
> >> >    
> >> >> Reco meant Roumanian (a Latin language). Or does everybody
> >> >> already know that?
> >> >>     
> >> >
> >> > Yes, Romanian or Rumanian is Latin, but here in the context
> >> > Latin is ambiguous. 
> >> >    
> >> 
> >> My confusion stemmed from the fact I thought the correct word was
> >> "Roumanian," not Romanian, which I took for a typo, exposing my
> >> ignorance (which paradoxically seems to be increasing the more I
> >> know (because the more I know the more I realize I don't)).
> >>   
> >
> > Either spelling is used in Britain, and sometimes Rumanian.  
> 
> You've retained those more Norman Conquest style spellings over
> there, I think.
> 
> 

Mostly the 'our' stuff where you use 'or'.

We do (as do you) actually still have a bit of Danish (son and daughter,
from sen and dottir, nothing like the Latin forms).

-- 
Joe

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#220574 — Re: HTML mail + PDF attachments (with șurubelniță)

FromBrian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk>
Date2020-03-27 20:40 +0100
SubjectRe: HTML mail + PDF attachments (with șurubelniță)
Message-ID<zP2ZI-1Q5-21@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#220569
On Fri 27 Mar 2020 at 12:42:17 -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote:

> On Fri, Mar 27, 2020 at 11:12:49AM -0500, David Wright wrote:
> > On Fri 27 Mar 2020 at 17:35:19 (+0300), Reco wrote:
> > > I'm not that familiar with the languages to qualify Romanian as a Latin
> > > or a non-Latin language,
> > 
> > I think we can agree that the Romans spoke Latin!
> 
> Err... Romanian is not the language that was spoken in Rome.

Neither is Italian.
 
> It is, however, considered a "Romance language", meaning it has Latin
> as one of its primary roots.

I took David Wright's comment to have a historical aspect to it. In
which case, no one can disagree with it.

-- 
Brian.

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