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  Re: now gmail rant ghe <ghe@slsware.net> - 2020-03-06 07:10 +0100
    Re: now gmail rant deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2020-03-06 08:10 +0100
      Re: now gmail rant Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2020-03-06 10:30 +0100
        Re: now gmail rant deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2020-03-06 12:20 +0100
          Re: now gmail rant Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2020-03-06 14:30 +0100
            Re: now gmail rant Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-03-07 10:50 +0100

#219876 — Re: now gmail rant

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On Thursday, March 5, 2020 8:24 PM, Keith Bainbridge <keithrbau@gmail.com> wrote:

> I am slowly working towards a better email server, but it takes time.

Check out protonmail.com. I moved there from gmail recently.

Free (lower tier -- $4 a month next step up). Open sourcing their code. Significant security features -- end to end encryption, etc.). Great user support. In Switzerland, far away from crackers and the NSA...

Missing some gmail tricks. A little slow sometimes (don't click 'Send' twice or it will). They top-post your sig when replying (can be fixed with copy-and-paste, but a PITA).

But it's not Google.

​--
Glenn English

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#219878

ghe wrote:

> Free (lower tier -- $4 a month next step up). Open sourcing their code.
> Significant security features -- end to end encryption, etc.). Great user
> support. In Switzerland, far away from crackers and the NSA...

This is a joke as recently was publish that a swiss based company was
deliverying the encryption hardware for years to many NATO members where
they had a back door built in to spy on them. This swiss based company was
(partially) owned by NSA and the German BNR.

You don't trust anybody out there - this is the rule.

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#219879

On 2020-03-06, deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> wrote:
> ghe wrote:
>
>> Free (lower tier -- $4 a month next step up). Open sourcing their code.
>> Significant security features -- end to end encryption, etc.). Great user
>> support. In Switzerland, far away from crackers and the NSA...
>
> This is a joke as recently was publish that a swiss based company was
> deliverying the encryption hardware for years to many NATO members where
> they had a back door built in to spy on them. This swiss based company was
> (partially) owned by NSA and the German BNR.
>
> You don't trust anybody out there - this is the rule.
>

Oh yeah.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-51467536

I think that's the German *BND* Federal Intelligence Service (at least
according to the BBC).



-- 
"J'ai pour me guérir du jugement des autres toute la distance qui me sépare de
moi." Antonin Artaud

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#219883

Curt wrote:

> Oh yeah.
> 
> https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-51467536
> 
> I think that's the German *BND* Federal Intelligence Service (at least
> according to the BBC).

yes this is it. so people (governments, etc.) were believing they do
encrypted stuff w/o being spied and the deliverying company was a swiss
one.

I've heard from some intelligent services - they do not use any electronic
devices and after those news I know why.

Same for the naive using proton mail or whatever. The best way to protect
whatever you want to protect is to keep it offline.

its just my opinion

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#219887

> > https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-51467536
> > 
> > I think that's the German *BND* Federal Intelligence Service (at least
> > according to the BBC).

> I've heard from some intelligent services - they do not use any electronic
> devices and after those news I know why.
> 
> Same for the naive using proton mail or whatever. The best way to protect
> whatever you want to protect is to keep it offline.

My policy on email is simple: I assume that everyone in the world
can read it, if they truly want to take the time and spend the resources
to do so.  If I don't want a secret to get out, I don't send it via
email.  Doesn't matter who the recipient is, what "security" arrangements
are in place, etc.

Now, that's just me, and does not reflect the policies of my workplace,
etc.

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On Vi, 06 mar 20, 08:26:34, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> > > https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-51467536
> > > 
> > > I think that's the German *BND* Federal Intelligence Service (at least
> > > according to the BBC).
> 
> > I've heard from some intelligent services - they do not use any electronic
> > devices and after those news I know why.
> > 
> > Same for the naive using proton mail or whatever. The best way to protect
> > whatever you want to protect is to keep it offline.
> 
> My policy on email is simple: I assume that everyone in the world
> can read it, if they truly want to take the time and spend the resources
> to do so.  If I don't want a secret to get out, I don't send it via
> email.  Doesn't matter who the recipient is, what "security" arrangements
> are in place, etc.

That's quite "all or nothing" :)

I tend to adjust my level of (perceived) protection depending on the 
sensitivity of the information, e.g. I don't have a problem posting from 
a Gmail account to a public mailing list, on the other hand my bank 
statements go to a ProtonMail account (which I do trust a lot more than 
Gmail, regardless of what other companies in the same country did).


Kind regards,
Andrei
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