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  cannot view Trash? kaye n <guikaye@gmail.com> - 2020-03-05 18:10 +0100
    Re: cannot view Trash? Jonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk> - 2020-03-05 18:20 +0100
      Re: cannot view Trash? now gmail rant Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2020-03-05 19:20 +0100
        Re: cannot view Trash? now gmail rant rhkramer@gmail.com - 2020-03-05 19:50 +0100
          now gmail rant Keith Bainbridge <keithrbau@gmail.com> - 2020-03-06 04:50 +0100
            Re: now gmail rant Liam O'Toole <liam.p.otoole@gmail.com> - 2020-03-06 11:40 +0100
              Re: now gmail rant Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2020-03-06 14:40 +0100
                Re: now gmail rant Keith Bainbridge <keithrbau@gmail.com> - 2020-03-07 06:50 +0100
        Re: cannot view Trash? now gmail rant rhkramer@gmail.com - 2020-03-05 19:50 +0100
        Re: don't hijack a thread Jonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk> - 2020-03-05 20:00 +0100
          Re: don't hijack a thread Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2020-03-06 00:20 +0100
        Re: cannot view Trash? now gmail rant Liam O'Toole <liam.p.otoole@gmail.com> - 2020-03-05 23:50 +0100
        Re: cannot view Trash? now gmail rant mick crane <mick.crane@gmail.com> - 2020-03-06 05:30 +0100
          Re: cannot view Trash? now gmail rant rhkramer@gmail.com - 2020-03-06 14:30 +0100

#219844 — cannot view Trash?

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Hello Friends,

I'm going to assume that none of you saw or received my email earlier, so
here it is again.

My system:
Host: laptop
Kernel: 4.19.0-6-amd64 x86_64
bits: 64
Desktop: Xfce 4.12.4
Distro: Debian GNU/Linux 10 (buster)

There is a Trash icon on the desktop screen.  If I double-click it to open
it so I can view its contents, I get a dialogue box with the title,

*Handler Not Found*
The message of the dialogue box  is:


*No network handler is configured for this URL, or no mount command is
set.  Add a handler in Devices|Settings|Protocol Handlers.*
I'm too ignorant right now to figure it out.  I would appreciate it if
anyone could give a step by step instruction.

Thank you very much!

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Quoting kaye n (2020-03-05 18:02:45)
> I'm going to assume that none of you saw or received my email earlier, 
> so here it is again.

No, that is not how this mailinglist works.

If you are in doubt that your message was processed, you can check if it 
appears in the public archive at https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/


Kind regards,

 - Jonas

-- 
 * Jonas Smedegaard - idealist & Internet-arkitekt
 * Tlf.: +45 40843136  Website: http://dr.jones.dk/

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#219856 — Re: cannot view Trash? now gmail rant

On Thursday 05 March 2020 12:15:27 Jonas Smedegaard wrote:

> Quoting kaye n (2020-03-05 18:02:45)
>
> > I'm going to assume that none of you saw or received my email
> > earlier, so here it is again.
>
> No, that is not how this mailinglist works.
>
> If you are in doubt that your message was processed, you can check if
> it appears in the public archive at
> https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/
>
>
> Kind regards,
>
>  - Jonas

off topic, but how many times do we have to tell gmail users they have to 
have 2 accounts, one to send to and one to receive? Otherwise gmail 
thinks the echo from a mailing list is a duplicate and deletes it, 
making the poor user think his message didn't get posted.
 
I had, many years ago, some lengthy conversations phone conversations 
with google about that policy, and basically that is not open for 
discussion, so either go someplace else like your own ISP's mail server, 
or get a second account at gmail so you get the echo back. I bailed out 
of that scene years ago, and now my ISP, the local cable tv system, 
spent some time setting up dovecot and with the exception of ignoreing 
fetchmails dele commands after downloading a message because its also 
serving up imap from the same database, forceing me to login from a web 
browser and delete the old msgs I've already pulled 2-3 times a week.

Thats a PITA too, but its far less of one than dealing with gmail.

/rant off

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#219858 — Re: cannot view Trash? now gmail rant

On Thursday, March 05, 2020 01:13:54 PM Gene Heskett wrote:
> off topic, but how many times do we have to tell gmail users they have to
> have 2 accounts, one to send to and one to receive? Otherwise gmail
> thinks the echo from a mailing list is a duplicate and deletes it,
> making the poor user think his message didn't get posted.

Maybe once?  I've never seen this advice before, and I've been around for a 
few years.  I suppose I could have inferred that from some other comments I've 
seen (that point out that you don't ever see / get the echo from the mailing 
list), or figured it out on my own (I guess I never had a burning need to do 
so).

My point is, I don't think the word has been spread very far.

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#219873 — now gmail rant

On 6/3/20 5:43 am, rhkramer@gmail.com wrote:
> On Thursday, March 05, 2020 01:13:54 PM Gene Heskett wrote:
>> off topic, but how many times do we have to tell gmail users they have to
>> have 2 accounts, one to send to and one to receive? Otherwise gmail
>> thinks the echo from a mailing list is a duplicate and deletes it,
>> making the poor user think his message didn't get posted.
> 
> Maybe once?  I've never seen this advice before, and I've been around for a
> few years.  I suppose I could have inferred that from some other comments I've
> seen (that point out that you don't ever see / get the echo from the mailing
> list), or figured it out on my own (I guess I never had a burning need to do
> so).
> 
> My point is, I don't think the word has been spread very far.
> 


I doubt I have ever seen these words nor ideas.


Interesting that I have 3 responses to the original post.    Perhaps we 
have a time zone issue?   Like when I was flamed at 06:00 the morning 
after, for not responding to a post I sent at 21:00. We sometimes need a 
way of knowing the the poster maybe sleeping while many are awake. 
But then would you believe that I posted at 21:00 today, when you read 
it at 6:00 today. Put that into context, my current time is 
Fri06Mar2020@14:23:53  Many of you will read it on Thursday evening?



My solution has been to bcc my self and an archive address. I am slowly 
working towards a better email server, but it takes time.

-- 
Keith Bainbridge

keith.bainbridge.3216@gmail.com
+61 (0)447 667 468

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#219881 — Re: now gmail rant

On Fri, 06 Mar, 2020 at 14:24:47 +1100, Keith Bainbridge wrote:

[...]

> 
> Interesting that I have 3 responses to the original post.    Perhaps we have
> a time zone issue?   Like when I was flamed at 06:00 the morning after, for
> not responding to a post I sent at 21:00. We sometimes need a way of knowing
> the the poster maybe sleeping while many are awake. But then would you
> believe that I posted at 21:00 today, when you read it at 6:00 today. Put
> that into context, my current time is Fri06Mar2020@14:23:53  Many of you
> will read it on Thursday evening?

Mutt displays the date and time of your email as "Fri, 6 Mar 2020
14:24:47 +1100", and that is reflected in the attribution string above.
So the information is conveyed in some email header or other.

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#219888 — Re: now gmail rant

On Fri, Mar 06, 2020 at 10:36:48AM +0000, Liam O'Toole wrote:
> Mutt displays the date and time of your email as "Fri, 6 Mar 2020
> 14:24:47 +1100", and that is reflected in the attribution string above.
> So the information is conveyed in some email header or other.

Specifically, the one named "Date:".

Of course, humans aren't always adept and translating local times
between different time zones in their heads while reading through
a bunch of email.  Someone who just glances at "14:24:47" and overlooks
the "+1100" part might think "Oh, it was sent at two-thirty in the
afternoon..." and not realize that two-thirty in the sender's time
zone is substantially different from two-thirty in the reader's time
zone.

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#219925 — Re: now gmail rant

On 7/3/20 12:30 am, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 06, 2020 at 10:36:48AM +0000, Liam O'Toole wrote:
>> Mutt displays the date and time of your email as "Fri, 6 Mar 2020
>> 14:24:47 +1100", and that is reflected in the attribution string above.
>> So the information is conveyed in some email header or other.
> 
> Specifically, the one named "Date:".
> 
> Of course, humans aren't always adept and translating local times
> between different time zones in their heads while reading through
> a bunch of email.  Someone who just glances at "14:24:47" and overlooks
> the "+1100" part might think "Oh, it was sent at two-thirty in the
> afternoon..." and not realize that two-thirty in the sender's time
> zone is substantially different from two-thirty in the reader's time
> zone.
> 

Warning, levity ahead.

I know it's not easy, but it shouldn't be so easy for to spark me for 
not answering in the middle of the night.  (Flame is too strong,really) 
    I've been defending our situation for decades.  The best recently 
was when somebody asked if we all got up to watch the moon landing - BUT 
it was the middle of the afternoon, wasn't it. I know I was at work - 
our Manager brought his TV into the office for us to sneak in 
occasionally. My better half was a teacher then - the kids watched most 
of as their study for that day.


PLEASE, I just like having a bit of fun sometimes.   At 72, I reckon 
I've earnt that much?

-- 
Keith Bainbridge

keith.bainbridge.3216@gmail.com
+61 (0)447 667 468

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#219859 — Re: cannot view Trash? now gmail rant

On Thursday, March 05, 2020 01:13:54 PM Gene Heskett wrote:
> off topic, but how many times do we have to tell gmail users they have to
> have 2 accounts, one to send to and one to receive? Otherwise gmail
> thinks the echo from a mailing list is a duplicate and deletes it,
> making the poor user think his message didn't get posted.

Maybe once?  (First time I've come across that advice, at least in those words 
-- I suppose I might have inferred that from some other comments, or figured it 
out on my own at some point, but ...)

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#219862 — Re: don't hijack a thread

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Quoting Gene Heskett (2020-03-05 19:13:54)
> off topic, but

Please change subject line when, well, changing subject.


 - Jonas

-- 
 * Jonas Smedegaard - idealist & Internet-arkitekt
 * Tlf.: +45 40843136  Website: http://dr.jones.dk/

 [x] quote me freely  [ ] ask before reusing  [ ] keep private

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#219870 — Re: don't hijack a thread

On Thursday 05 March 2020 13:55:18 Jonas Smedegaard wrote:

> Quoting Gene Heskett (2020-03-05 19:13:54)
>
> > off topic, but
>
> Please change subject line when, well, changing subject.
>
It was germain to that thread.  Not the answer expected, but that thread 
is reconstructed at least monthly and has been for at least 15 years or 
however long goggle has run a mail server. Anybody subscribed to any 
mailing list, including me, is sick of it. 
>
>  - Jonas


Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#219868 — Re: cannot view Trash? now gmail rant

On Thu, 05 Mar, 2020 at 13:13:54 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Thursday 05 March 2020 12:15:27 Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> 
> > Quoting kaye n (2020-03-05 18:02:45)
> >
> > > I'm going to assume that none of you saw or received my email
> > > earlier, so here it is again.
> >
> > No, that is not how this mailinglist works.
> >
> > If you are in doubt that your message was processed, you can check if
> > it appears in the public archive at
> > https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/
> >
> >
> > Kind regards,
> >
> >  - Jonas
> 
> off topic, but how many times do we have to tell gmail users they have to 
> have 2 accounts, one to send to and one to receive? Otherwise gmail 
> thinks the echo from a mailing list is a duplicate and deletes it, 
> making the poor user think his message didn't get posted.

[...]

How many times? Zero.

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#219874 — Re: cannot view Trash? now gmail rant

On 2020-03-05 18:13, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Thursday 05 March 2020 12:15:27 Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> 
>> Quoting kaye n (2020-03-05 18:02:45)
>> 
>> > I'm going to assume that none of you saw or received my email
>> > earlier, so here it is again.
>> 
>> No, that is not how this mailinglist works.
>> 
>> If you are in doubt that your message was processed, you can check if
>> it appears in the public archive at
>> https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/
>> 
>> 
>> Kind regards,
>> 
>>  - Jonas
> 
> off topic, but how many times do we have to tell gmail users they have 
> to
> have 2 accounts, one to send to and one to receive? Otherwise gmail
> thinks the echo from a mailing list is a duplicate and deletes it,
> making the poor user think his message didn't get posted.
> 
> I had, many years ago, some lengthy conversations phone conversations
> with google about that policy, and basically that is not open for
> discussion, so either go someplace else like your own ISP's mail 
> server,
> or get a second account at gmail so you get the echo back. I bailed out
> of that scene years ago, and now my ISP, the local cable tv system,
> spent some time setting up dovecot and with the exception of ignoreing
> fetchmails dele commands after downloading a message because its also
> serving up imap from the same database, forceing me to login from a web
> browser and delete the old msgs I've already pulled 2-3 times a week.
> 
> Thats a PITA too, but its far less of one than dealing with gmail.
> 
> /rant off
> 
> Cheers, Gene Heskett

gmail seems to respond to getmail request to delete fetched email by 
changing the tag so that it doesn't show in Inbox or Bin but is still in 
Allmail.

mick
-- 
Key ID    4BFEBB31

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#219886 — Re: cannot view Trash? now gmail rant

On Thursday, March 05, 2020 11:29:00 PM mick crane wrote:
> gmail seems to respond to getmail request to delete fetched email by
> changing the tag so that it doesn't show in Inbox or Bin but is still in
> Allmail.

Interesting -- I guess I forgot that in this discussion we have to distinguish 
between the behavior in a browser viewing the gmail page, vs. behavior in a 
"real" email client (e.g., kmail, ...)

I'm pretty sure Mick is talking about the behavior in gmail in a browser, and 
I suspect that the reason he still sees the email in "all mail" is because he 
is seeing the "sent" version (rather than a received copy) (but I'm not 
positive about that).

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