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  Zoom conferencing Joel Rees <joel.rees@gmail.com> - 2020-03-01 06:10 +0100
    Re: Zoom conferencing <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-03-01 09:40 +0100
    Re: Zoom conferencing Jonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk> - 2020-03-01 12:50 +0100
    Re: Zoom conferencing Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2020-03-01 13:50 +0100
      Re: Zoom conferencing rhkramer@gmail.com - 2020-03-01 14:10 +0100
        Re: Zoom conferencing Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2020-03-01 14:20 +0100
        Re: Zoom conferencing Roberto C. Sánchez <roberto@debian.org> - 2020-03-01 14:20 +0100
      Re: Zoom conferencing David <bouncingcats@gmail.com> - 2020-03-01 18:00 +0100
        Re: Zoom conferencing Charles Curley <charlescurley@charlescurley.com> - 2020-03-01 18:20 +0100
          Re: Zoom conferencing Charles Curley <charlescurley@charlescurley.com> - 2020-03-01 18:30 +0100
    Re: Zoom conferencing Henning Follmann <hfollmann@itcfollmann.com> - 2020-03-01 18:50 +0100
      Re: Zoom conferencing "Russell L. Harris" <russell@rlharris.org> - 2020-03-01 19:30 +0100
    Re: Zoom conferencing Ralph Katz <ralph@ralphkatz.com> - 2020-03-01 20:30 +0100
    Re: Zoom conferencing Nazar Zhuk <nazar@zhuk.online> - 2020-03-03 06:50 +0100
      Re: Zoom conferencing Anil Felipe Duggirala <anilduggirala@fastmail.fm> - 2020-03-20 00:40 +0100
        Re: Zoom conferencing Nazar Zhuk <nazar@zhuk.online> - 2020-03-21 05:40 +0100
    Re: Zoom conferencing "Andrew J. Caines" <A.J.Caines@halplant.com> - 2020-03-16 01:40 +0100
    Re: Zoom conferencing Dan Hitt <dan.hitt@gmail.com> - 2020-03-21 06:10 +0100

#219664 — Zoom conferencing

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(I hope no one gets upset about double posting debian and ubuntu users
lists.)

Questions about zoom -- www.zoom.us

Anyone using it?

Issues?

Known reasons they don't put it in the general repositories?

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#219666

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On Sun, Mar 01, 2020 at 02:08:27PM +0900, Joel Rees wrote:
> (I hope no one gets upset about double posting debian and ubuntu users
> lists.)
> 
> Questions about zoom -- www.zoom.us
> 
> Anyone using it?
> 
> Issues?
> 
> Known reasons they don't put it in the general repositories?

Perhaps because it ain't free software?

-- t

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#219667

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[ replying only where I am subscribed ]

Quoting Joel Rees (2020-03-01 06:08:27)
> (I hope no one gets upset about double posting debian and ubuntu users
> lists.)
> 
> Questions about zoom -- www.zoom.us
> 
> Anyone using it?
> 
> Issues?
> 
> Known reasons they don't put it in the general repositories?

Zoom is non-free.

You might find relevant some of my notes on voice/video chat tools and 
services here: 
https://source.redpill.dk/media-stream-hosting.git/tree/README.md


 - Jonas

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#219668

Joel Rees wrote: 
> (I hope no one gets upset about double posting debian and ubuntu users
> lists.)
> 
> Questions about zoom -- www.zoom.us
> 
> Anyone using it?
> 
> Issues?
> 
> Known reasons they don't put it in the general repositories?

It's not free in any sense.

If someone sends you a link to use  their service, they have a semi-hidden
web client available -- take the conference identifier from the regular
URL, and append it to

https://zoom.us/wc/join/

This works in Firefox and Chromium.

-dsr-

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#219669

On Sunday, March 01, 2020 07:41:18 AM Dan Ritter wrote:
> If someone sends you a link to use  their service, they have a semi-hidden
> web client available -- 

I guess that should be web server?

I mean, unless this is like the backwards (to me, and I'm familiar with the 
justification / arguments -- to me a client serves me, not some software) 
definitions for client and server used in X, things like firefox and chromium 
are clients, not servers.

> take the conference identifier from the regular
> URL, and append it to
> 
> https://zoom.us/wc/join/
> 
> This works in Firefox and Chromium.
> 
> -dsr-

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#219670

rhkramer@gmail.com wrote: 
> On Sunday, March 01, 2020 07:41:18 AM Dan Ritter wrote:
> > If someone sends you a link to use  their service, they have a semi-hidden
> > web client available -- 
> 
> I guess that should be web server?
> 
> I mean, unless this is like the backwards (to me, and I'm familiar with the 
> justification / arguments -- to me a client serves me, not some software) 
> definitions for client and server used in X, things like firefox and chromium 
> are clients, not servers.

It's a client for their service that operates entirely in your
web browser, and is handed to you each time from their web
server.

Client-server distinctions are all a matter of perspective.

-dsr-

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#219671

On Sun, Mar 01, 2020 at 08:07:58AM -0500, rhkramer@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sunday, March 01, 2020 07:41:18 AM Dan Ritter wrote:
> > If someone sends you a link to use  their service, they have a semi-hidden
> > web client available -- 
> 
> I guess that should be web server?
> 
> I mean, unless this is like the backwards (to me, and I'm familiar with the 
> justification / arguments -- to me a client serves me, not some software) 
> definitions for client and server used in X, things like firefox and chromium 
> are clients, not servers.
> 
It is a client in the sense that it is a program that allows you, the
user, to connect to a server which is providing the necessary support
for a conference meeting to take place.

It is also a server in the sense that you must connect to a webserver in
order to access it, just as Java applets and Flash apps are generally
hosted on webservers.  That particular distinction, however, is
irrelevant to the vast majority of users.

Regards,

-Roberto

-- 
Roberto C. Sánchez

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#219682

On Sun, 1 Mar 2020 at 23:41, Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> wrote:

> If someone sends you a link to use  their service, they have a semi-hidden
> web client available -- take the conference identifier from the regular
> URL, and append it to
>
> https://zoom.us/wc/join/
>
> This works in Firefox and Chromium.

My experience on Debian is that while the web client used to work in older
versions of Firefox, the web client when tested at https://zoom.us/test
now refuses to allow microphone access in the Debian version
(68.5.0esr (64-bit)) of Firefox, and advises to use Google Chrome.

If anyone can advise me how to make this version of Firefox work
on current Debian buster or stretch, I will be grateful to be corrected.
I've had to reluctantly install the Zoom client, preferring that compromise
to installing Chrome.

Also
https://support.zoom.us/hc/en-us/articles/214629443-Zoom-Web-Client
says:
"""
**Joining computer audio on Firefox and Safari is only available for
webinar attendees.
"""
I assume that a "webinar attendee" is distinct from a "meeting",
according to their use of those words.

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#219684

On Mon, 2 Mar 2020 03:44:27 +1100
David <bouncingcats@gmail.com> wrote:

> If anyone can advise me how to make this version of Firefox work
> on current Debian buster or stretch, I will be grateful to be
> corrected. I've had to reluctantly install the Zoom client,
> preferring that compromise to installing Chrome.

Rather than install Chrome, consider installing chromium. I believe it
is the open source base of Chromium.

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#219685

On Sun, 1 Mar 2020 10:15:45 -0700
Charles Curley <charlescurley@charlescurley.com> wrote:

> Rather than install Chrome, consider installing chromium. I believe it
> is the open source base of Chromium.

Sorry. I believe chromium is the open source base of Chrome.

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#219686

On Sun, Mar 01, 2020 at 02:08:27PM +0900, Joel Rees wrote:
> (I hope no one gets upset about double posting debian and ubuntu users
> lists.)
> 
> Questions about zoom -- www.zoom.us
> 
> Anyone using it?
>

Maybe, not me tho

> Issues?

It's proprietary

> 
> Known reasons they don't put it in the general repositories?

It's proprietary


If you are interested in a free video/ voice conference tool
look at jitsi.

It's what they use at matrix for their voice.


-H


-- 
Henning Follmann           | hfollmann@itcfollmann.com

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#219688

On Sun, Mar 01, 2020 at 12:46:24PM -0500, Henning Follmann wrote:
>On Sun, Mar 01, 2020 at 02:08:27PM +0900, Joel Rees wrote:
>If you are interested in a free video/ voice conference tool
>look at jitsi.

Jitsi (or perhaps it is "jitsi-meet" has a free web-accessible service
which does not require the installation of anything; it works nicely.

I seem to recall that there are technical problems with jitsi on
Buster which may not be resolved until Debian 11.  Meanwhile, jitsi
has a free Debian package, if you do not mind installing from the
Jitsi repository.

RLH

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#219692

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On 2/29/20 10:08 PM, Joel Rees wrote:
> (I hope no one gets upset about double posting debian and ubuntu users
> lists.)
> 
> Questions about zoom -- www.zoom.us <http://www.zoom.us>
> 
> Anyone using it?
> 
> Issues?
> 
> Known reasons they don't put it in the general repositories?

zoom is proprietary software as others have noted, so will never be in
Debian.

I use it daily without any issues to attend a meeting with audio and
shared screen from a presenter and a text chat window where I can
participate.  I have not used the microphone nor webcam options.

zoom launches from a terminal or your regular menu pull-down and does
not require any browser.  Audio works well thru pulse audio which I
adjust with pavucontrol.

Running debian stable 10.3
zoom Linux Client Version is 3.5.352596.0119

an update is avail which I'll install now.

Regards,
Ralph

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#219734

On 2020-02-29 23:08, Joel Rees wrote:
> (I hope no one gets upset about double posting debian and ubuntu users
> lists.)
> 
> Questions about zoom --www.zoom.us
> 
> Anyone using it?
> 
> Issues?
> 
> Known reasons they don't put it in the general repositories?
> 

As others have pointed out, it's proprietary and will never be in Debian and there are superior open-source alternatives.

If the choice is not yours though, there is a flatpak for it: https://flathub.org/apps/details/us.zoom.Zoom. It's kept isolated from your system and it works. I haven't used video, but no issues with audio and screen sharing.

-- 
Nazar

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#220236

Hello Nazar,
I have installed the flatpak with the latest version. I am running
Debian 10 and Gnome. When trying to share the screen a message comes up
saying that screen sharing is only available in Gnome on Wayland on
Debian 9+,, and screen sharing does not start. I am baffled by this.
Did you install this from the flatpak??
thank you,

Anil



On Tue, 2020-03-03 at 06:41 +0100, Nazar Zhuk wrote:
> On 2020-02-29 23:08, Joel Rees wrote:
> > (I hope no one gets upset about double posting debian and ubuntu
> > users
> > lists.)
> > 
> > Questions about zoom --www.zoom.us
> > 
> > Anyone using it?
> > 
> > Issues?
> > 
> > Known reasons they don't put it in the general repositories?
> > 
> 
> As others have pointed out, it's proprietary and will never be in
> Debian and there are superior open-source alternatives.
> 
> If the choice is not yours though, there is a flatpak for it: 
> https://flathub.org/apps/details/us.zoom.Zoom. It's kept isolated
> from your system and it works. I haven't used video, but no issues
> with audio and screen sharing.
> 

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#220259

On 2020-03-19 18:39, Anil Felipe Duggirala wrote:
> I have installed the flatpak with the latest version. I am running
> Debian 10 and Gnome. When trying to share the screen a message comes up
> saying that screen sharing is only available in Gnome on Wayland on
> Debian 9+,, and screen sharing does not start. I am baffled by this.
> Did you install this from the flatpak??

Yes, flatpak from flathub.org. I don't think any kind of screen sharing works in Wayland. I am using X11. (KDE Plasma, but that's irrelevant.) There should be an option to switch to Gnome X11 when logging in.

-- 
Nazar

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#220140

On 3/1/20 12:08 AM, Joel Rees wrote:
> Questions about zoom -- www.zoom.us <http://www.zoom.us>
> Issues?

Screen and window sharing don't work with Wayland (yet?), requiring a 
switch to Xorg. I only experienced this on Fedora using the Flatpak, but 
presume it's not specific to the platform.
Sharing a window and giving control worked fine, as did chat, voice and 
other features.

-- 
-Andrew J. Caines-   Unix Systems Architect   A.J.Caines@halplant.com
   "Machines take me by surprise with great frequency" - Alan Turing

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#220260

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On Sat, Feb 29, 2020 at 9:08 PM Joel Rees <joel.rees@gmail.com> wrote:

> (I hope no one gets upset about double posting debian and ubuntu users
> lists.)
>
> Questions about zoom -- www.zoom.us
>
> Anyone using it?
>
> Issues?
>
> Known reasons they don't put it in the general repositories?
>

Hi Joel,

So as it happens, i need to use zoom this next Monday (2020-03-23), so i
downloaded it, and with the help of the list (songbird!) got it installed.

It is not my choice, although in the past i have used it in work, where it
was also not my choice.

Of course i'd like to use only free software to help build a better world.

(Not cc'ing the ubuntu list because i'm sort of unsure about what the
proper netiquette is.)

dan

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