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  Re: why won't ff look at this url? bw <bwtnguy@yahoo.com> - 2019-08-25 01:30 +0200
    Re: why won't ff look at this url? Larry Martell <larry.martell@gmail.com> - 2019-08-25 01:40 +0200
      Re: why won't ff look at this url? Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-08-25 02:50 +0200
        OT: AI (was: Re: why won't ff look at this url?) rhkramer@gmail.com - 2019-08-25 14:30 +0200
          Re: OT: AI John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2019-08-25 14:40 +0200
            Re: OT: AI Nicholas Geovanis <nickgeovanis@gmail.com> - 2019-08-25 18:50 +0200
            Re: OT: AI mick crane <mick.crane@gmail.com> - 2019-08-26 11:00 +0200
              Re: OT: AI rhkramer@gmail.com - 2019-08-26 13:20 +0200
          Re: OT: AI (was: Re: why won't ff look at this url?) rhkramer@gmail.com - 2019-08-25 14:40 +0200
        Re: why won't ff look at this url? Larry Martell <larry.martell@gmail.com> - 2019-08-25 17:20 +0200
    Re: why won't ff look at this url? Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-08-25 02:30 +0200
      Re: why won't ff look at this url? John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2019-08-25 03:00 +0200
        Re: why won't ff look at this url? Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-08-25 03:10 +0200

#213209 — Re: why won't ff look at this url?

In-Reply-To: <201908241021.59396.gheskett@shentel.net>

> Greetings folks;
>
> 
https://abcnews4.com/news/nation-world/w-va-ambulance-ems-director-arrested-accused-of-missing-and-tampering-with-narcotics
>
> All I get for clicking on it is a blank screen.
>
> Thanks for any help.
> Cheers, Gene Heskett
> -- 
> "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
> soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> -Ed Howdershelt (Author)
> If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law 
> respectable.
> - Louis D. Brandeis
> Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

Kinda spammy, I did NOT click any of the the links or try to open them.

My guess is you are a bot, or some type of otherwise ad revenue scam. The 
post is spam?  You're really good at what you do!

Good Luck,
bw

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On Sat, Aug 24, 2019 at 7:27 PM bw <bwtnguy@yahoo.com> wrote:

> In-Reply-To: <201908241021.59396.gheskett@shentel.net>
>
> > Greetings folks;
> >
> >
>
> https://abcnews4.com/news/nation-world/w-va-ambulance-ems-director-arrested-accused-of-missing-and-tampering-with-narcotics
> >
> > All I get for clicking on it is a blank screen.
> >
> > Thanks for any help.
> > Cheers, Gene Heskett
> > --
> > "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
> > soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> > -Ed Howdershelt (Author)
> > If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law
> > respectable.
> > - Louis D. Brandeis
> > Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
>
> Kinda spammy, I did NOT click any of the the links or try to open them.
>
> My guess is you are a bot, or some type of otherwise ad revenue scam. The
> post is spam?  You're really good at what you do!


No programmer is good enough to make a bot like Gene. No human is even good
enough to be like Gene.

>
>
>

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#213216

On Saturday 24 August 2019 19:31:13 Larry Martell wrote:

> On Sat, Aug 24, 2019 at 7:27 PM bw <bwtnguy@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > In-Reply-To: <201908241021.59396.gheskett@shentel.net>
> >
> > > Greetings folks;
> >
> > https://abcnews4.com/news/nation-world/w-va-ambulance-ems-director-a
> >rrested-accused-of-missing-and-tampering-with-narcotics
> >
> > > All I get for clicking on it is a blank screen.
> > >
> > > Thanks for any help.
> > > Cheers, Gene Heskett
> > > --
> > > "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
> > > soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> > > -Ed Howdershelt (Author)
> > > If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law
> > > respectable.
> > > - Louis D. Brandeis
> > > Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
> >
> > Kinda spammy, I did NOT click any of the the links or try to open
> > them.
> >
> > My guess is you are a bot, or some type of otherwise ad revenue
> > scam. The post is spam?  You're really good at what you do!
>
> No programmer is good enough to make a bot like Gene. No human is even
> good enough to be like Gene.

Thanks for the flowers Larry.

BTW, Larry Martel is one of the better python programmers on this ball of 
rock and water. But he doesn't work for free. I am proud to call Larry 
and Carol friends for the last what, 15+ years? Probably longer. 

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#213249 — OT: AI (was: Re: why won't ff look at this url?)

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On Saturday, August 24, 2019 08:47:03 PM Gene Heskett wrote:
> > No programmer is good enough to make a bot like Gene. 

<Sorry, a good diversion for a Sunday morning when I should be doing other 
things.>

I disagree, now that I think about it.  I remember Lisa, and I know there have 
been great advances in AI (e.g., neural networks, ...)

What a stroke of genius by the programmer -- they give "Gene" this amazing 
backstory and history, and then intentionally have him inject portions of the 
(back)stories in his emails to make him seem like a cantankerous old man.

Then he posts problems on the list that no real computer intelligence would 
experience, just as part of the experiment to see how many and for how long he 
can fool people on this list.

How could we doubt that he is human?

I wonder when the big reveal will occur?

<all tongue in cheek (and thanks to tomas, I now know what the emoticon for 
that is, or rather, I now know what the funny emoticon I see that I never 
bothered to look up means -- I might start using it, after I look it up to 
remind myself -- ahh: ;-P >

> > No human is even
> > good enough to be like Gene.

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#213250 — Re: OT: AI

You are all AI's.  I'm the only human here.
-- 
John Hasler 
jhasler@newsguy.com
Elmwood, WI USA

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#213267 — Re: OT: AI

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In the end, the Turing Test was another AI sham. Then humans couldnt tell
the difference any more :-) Blade Runner is now. To save humanity we must
become part machine. That is not crossing a divide, merely the next step in
our evolution. In a straight line from our prior milestones.

On Sun, Aug 25, 2019, 7:36 AM John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> wrote:

> You are all AI's.  I'm the only human here.
> --
> John Hasler
> jhasler@newsguy.com
> Elmwood, WI USA
>
>

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#213284 — Re: OT: AI

On 2019-08-25 13:36, John Hasler wrote:
> You are all AI's.  I'm the only human here.
I spent 2 days question and answer with what turned out to be a yahoo 
bot.
mick
-- 
Key ID    4BFEBB31

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#213287 — Re: OT: AI

On Monday, August 26, 2019 04:55:59 AM mick crane wrote:
> On 2019-08-25 13:36, John Hasler wrote:
> > You are all AI's.  I'm the only human here.
> 
> I spent 2 days question and answer with what turned out to be a yahoo
> bot.
> mick

You bots are very clever, Mick, but you can't fool me -- obviously, because 
John is the only human here, you (mick) must be a bot.

Hmm, but, then, so am I, but I can't tell,  I mean, I look (somewhat) human, 
my flesh feels like what I think human flesh must feel like.  I eat, and have 
other bodily functions -- I can't believe it, I've even fooled myself!

But, then, is even John a human.  I can't remember the brain teaser exactly 
(or how it is resolved), but I remember one something about an island full of 
liars (and maybe one person that told the truth) -- and, iirc, all of them 
would claim that they are not liars, and that everyone else is.  How do you 
detect the one truth teller?  (I'm sure I have that garbled -- maybe I should 
try googling for it -- ahh, ok, the liar's paradox and some variations.)

I just can't believe that I'm a bot -- I mean, I even apparently changed size 
over the years, and show signs of aging...  Wow!

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#213252 — Re: OT: AI (was: Re: why won't ff look at this url?)

Hmm, I probably should have replied to the (sub-)thread started by
bw, "How good is AI?" 

On Sunday, August 25, 2019 08:20:00 AM rhkramer@gmail.com wrote:
> On Saturday, August 24, 2019 08:47:03 PM Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > No programmer is good enough to make a bot like Gene.
> 
> <Sorry, a good diversion for a Sunday morning when I should be doing other
> things.>

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#213265

On Sat, Aug 24, 2019 at 8:47 PM Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> wrote:
>
> On Saturday 24 August 2019 19:31:13 Larry Martell wrote:
>
> > On Sat, Aug 24, 2019 at 7:27 PM bw <bwtnguy@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > In-Reply-To: <201908241021.59396.gheskett@shentel.net>
> > >
> > > > Greetings folks;
> > >
> > > https://abcnews4.com/news/nation-world/w-va-ambulance-ems-director-a
> > >rrested-accused-of-missing-and-tampering-with-narcotics
> > >
> > > > All I get for clicking on it is a blank screen.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for any help.
> > > > Cheers, Gene Heskett
> > > > --
> > > > "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
> > > > soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> > > > -Ed Howdershelt (Author)
> > > > If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law
> > > > respectable.
> > > > - Louis D. Brandeis
> > > > Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
> > >
> > > Kinda spammy, I did NOT click any of the the links or try to open
> > > them.
> > >
> > > My guess is you are a bot, or some type of otherwise ad revenue
> > > scam. The post is spam?  You're really good at what you do!
> >
> > No programmer is good enough to make a bot like Gene. No human is even
> > good enough to be like Gene.
>
> Thanks for the flowers Larry.
>
> BTW, Larry Martel is one of the better python programmers on this ball of
> rock and water. But he doesn't work for free. I am proud to call Larry
> and Carol friends for the last what, 15+ years? Probably longer.

Thank you my friend.

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#213213

On Saturday 24 August 2019 19:08:50 bw wrote:

> In-Reply-To: <201908241021.59396.gheskett@shentel.net>
>
> > Greetings folks;
>
> https://abcnews4.com/news/nation-world/w-va-ambulance-ems-director-arr
>ested-accused-of-missing-and-tampering-with-narcotics
>
> > All I get for clicking on it is a blank screen.
> >
> > Thanks for any help.
> > Cheers, Gene Heskett
> > --
> > "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
> > soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> > -Ed Howdershelt (Author)
> > If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law
> > respectable.
> > - Louis D. Brandeis
> > Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
>
> Kinda spammy, I did NOT click any of the the links or try to open
> them.
>
> My guess is you are a bot, or some type of otherwise ad revenue scam.
> The post is spam?  You're really good at what you do!

A bot?  Thats a hoot. I am an 84 yo retired broadcast engineer, trying to 
catch up on the local news after spending the last 2 weeks in the shop 
with a few yards of hoses, wires, etc because of a heart attack. Not 
fully fixed yet, needs a new aortic valve.

 And I'd like to be able to at least get an error message giving me a 
clue what to do when at least 25% of the news sites I visit are 
similarly blank pages. That story is from about 50 miles south of me. So 
of course I am interested in it.

Plain to see that you get much of your exercise jumping to conclusions.
 
> Good Luck,
> bw


Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#213219

Gene writes:
> And I'd like to be able to at least get an error message giving me a
> clue what to do when at least 25% of the news sites I visit are
> similarly blank pages.

In addition to add-ons such as NoScript, take a look at the settings in
Preferences->Privacy&Security in Firefox.  These sites want to pull
in scripts from dozens of sites as well as setting trackers and storing
cookies and site data on your machine.   They usually work ok without
most of it but there's often some they just can't live without.  It's
inconceivable to the Web designers that you might want to simply read
the text.  They're certain that you need an "enhanced user experience".
-- 
John Hasler 
jhasler@newsguy.com
Elmwood, WI USA

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#213221

On Saturday 24 August 2019 20:50:25 John Hasler wrote:

> Gene writes:
> > And I'd like to be able to at least get an error message giving me a
> > clue what to do when at least 25% of the news sites I visit are
> > similarly blank pages.
>
> In addition to add-ons such as NoScript, take a look at the settings
> in Preferences->Privacy&Security in Firefox.  These sites want to pull
> in scripts from dozens of sites as well as setting trackers and
> storing cookies and site data on your machine.   They usually work ok
> without most of it but there's often some they just can't live
> without.  It's inconceivable to the Web designers that you might want
> to simply read the text.  They're certain that you need an "enhanced
> user experience".

An attitude I'd cheerfully beat them with, if I was 65 years younger.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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