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  why won't ff look at this url? Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-08-24 16:30 +0200
    Re: why won't ff look at this url? Tixy <tixy@yxit.co.uk> - 2019-08-24 16:40 +0200
      Re: why won't ff look at this url? John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2019-08-24 16:50 +0200
      Re: why won't ff look at this url? Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-08-24 18:30 +0200
        Re: why won't ff look at this url? Tixy <tixy@yxit.co.uk> - 2019-08-24 18:50 +0200
          Re: why won't ff look at this url? Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-08-24 19:20 +0200
            Re: why won't ff look at this url? Mark Allums <mark@allums.email> - 2019-08-24 20:20 +0200
              Re: why won't ff look at this url? Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-08-24 20:50 +0200
                Re: why won't ff look at this url? <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2019-08-24 21:20 +0200
                  Re: why won't ff look at this url? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2019-08-24 21:50 +0200
                    Re: why won't ff look at this url? <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2019-08-24 22:00 +0200
                      Re: why won't ff look at this url? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2019-08-25 00:00 +0200
                        Re: why won't ff look at this url? <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2019-08-25 00:10 +0200
                    Re: why won't ff look at this url? The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> - 2019-08-25 02:50 +0200
                      Re: why won't ff look at this url? Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-08-25 03:00 +0200
                        Re: why won't ff look at this url? The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> - 2019-08-25 03:10 +0200
                      Re: why won't ff look at this url? John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2019-08-25 03:20 +0200
                        Re: why won't ff look at this url? The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> - 2019-08-25 04:20 +0200
            Re: why won't ff look at this url? Selim T. Erdoğan <selim@alumni.cs.utexas.edu> - 2019-08-24 22:20 +0200
              Re: why won't ff look at this url? Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-08-25 01:10 +0200
    Re: why won't ff look at this url? Peter Ehlert <peter@sdi-baja.com> - 2019-08-24 17:00 +0200
    Re: why won't ff look at this url? Mark Allums <mark@allums.email> - 2019-08-24 20:20 +0200
      Re: why won't ff look at this url? Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-08-24 20:50 +0200
        Re: why won't ff look at this url? Erwan David <erwan@rail.eu.org> - 2019-08-24 21:50 +0200
    Re: why won't ff look at this url? Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2019-08-26 21:30 +0200
      Re: why won't ff look at this url? Doug McGarrett <dmcgarrett@optonline.net> - 2019-08-27 01:20 +0200
        Re: why won't ff look at this url? mett <mett@pmars.jp> - 2019-08-27 17:00 +0200

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#213180 — why won't ff look at this url?

Greetings folks;

https://abcnews4.com/news/nation-world/w-va-ambulance-ems-director-arrested-accused-of-missing-and-tampering-with-narcotics

All I get for clicking on it is a blank screen.

Thanks for any help.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#213181

On Sat, 2019-08-24 at 10:21 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> https://abcnews4.com/news/nation-world/w-va-ambulance-ems-director-arrested-accused-of-missing-and-tampering-with-narcotics
> 
> All I get for clicking on it is a blank screen.

Looks like abcnews4.com does everything with javascript. You got that
disabled or blocked with a plugin?

-- 
Tixy

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#213183

Gene Heskett wrote:
> https://abcnews4.com/news/nation-world/w-va-ambulance-ems-director-arrested-accused-of-missing-and-tampering-with-narcotics
> 
> All I get for clicking on it is a blank screen.

It wants to load script from about a dozen sources (fairly typical).
You need only permit a few of them.
-- 
John Hasler 
jhasler@newsguy.com
Elmwood, WI USA

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#213188

On Saturday 24 August 2019 10:33:20 Tixy wrote:

> On Sat, 2019-08-24 at 10:21 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > https://abcnews4.com/news/nation-world/w-va-ambulance-ems-director-a
> >rrested-accused-of-missing-and-tampering-with-narcotics
> >
> > All I get for clicking on it is a blank screen.
>
> Looks like abcnews4.com does everything with javascript. You got that
> disabled or blocked with a plugin?

IDK, how do I check?

Thanks.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#213191

On Sat, 2019-08-24 at 12:22 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Saturday 24 August 2019 10:33:20 Tixy wrote:
> 
> > On Sat, 2019-08-24 at 10:21 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > 
> https://abcnews4.com/news/nation-world/w-va-ambulance-ems-director-a
> > >rrested-accused-of-missing-and-tampering-with-narcotics
> > >
> > > All I get for clicking on it is a blank screen.
> >
> > Looks like abcnews4.com does everything with javascript. You got
> that
> > disabled or blocked with a plugin?
> 
> IDK, how do I check?

Well, you'd know if you'd installed a specific plugin like NoScript, so
I'll assume you didn't. Also, seems unlikely that you'd have
accidentally disabled javascript globally, just googled for how you do
that...

In the Firefox address/search bar, enter the address about:config and
then in the search bar on that config page search for
javascript.enabled. On mine is says that config is 'default boolean
true' which I assume means that the value is the default (i.e. not
been changed) and it's a boolean (true/false) value set to true.

-- 
Tixy 

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#213193

On Saturday 24 August 2019 12:43:39 Tixy wrote:

> On Sat, 2019-08-24 at 12:22 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Saturday 24 August 2019 10:33:20 Tixy wrote:
> > > On Sat, 2019-08-24 at 10:21 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> >
> > https://abcnews4.com/news/nation-world/w-va-ambulance-ems-director-a
> >
> > > >rrested-accused-of-missing-and-tampering-with-narcotics
> > > >
> > > > All I get for clicking on it is a blank screen.
> > >
> > > Looks like abcnews4.com does everything with javascript. You got
> >
> > that
> >
> > > disabled or blocked with a plugin?
> >
> > IDK, how do I check?
>
> Well, you'd know if you'd installed a specific plugin like NoScript,

Stuff like noscript is installed but all that is disabled

> so I'll assume you didn't. Also, seems unlikely that you'd have
> accidentally disabled javascript globally, just googled for how you do
> that...
>
No, about:config, javascript it's all "modified" and "true" as of half an 
hour ago.  And I've just went thru the list and restored all selections 
to default. No change.

> In the Firefox address/search bar, enter the address about:config and
> then in the search bar on that config page search for
> javascript.enabled. On mine is says that config is 'default boolean
> true' which I assume means that the value is the default (i.e. not
> been changed) and it's a boolean (true/false) value set to true.

Addons, plugins are all disabled. No change.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#213194

> 
> Addons, plugins are all disabled. No change.
> 
> Cheers, Gene Heskett
> 

Try clearing cache.  Maybe reboot your router.  Running a pi-hole? 
Restart it.

Mark

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#213197

On Saturday 24 August 2019 14:16:31 Mark Allums wrote:

> > Addons, plugins are all disabled. No change.
> >
> > Cheers, Gene Heskett
>
> Try clearing cache.

Just did. No change.

> Maybe reboot your router.

Twice this morning for other reasons udev related. udev haws a hate/hate 
relationship with heyu.

> Running a pi-hole?  

Nope.

> Restart it.
>
> Mark


Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#213199

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On Sat, Aug 24, 2019 at 02:44:47PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:

[... some page not showing ...]

I just would add this page to my (enormous) blacklist. One hash't to
put up with all the abominations the web tries to throw at us these
days :-)

But what you can do is:

- enter the offending page's URL in the URL box and press ENTER.
  The offending whiteness shows (who knows, perhaps it's a good
  choice, after all :)

- go to the Firefox menu (this quaint thingy usually at the top
  right with three parallel lines, you know).

- Clicking on that thingy, a menu should display. One of the
  entries is named "Web Developer" (for me it's third-last).
  Click on that.

- A sub-menu opens. Choose there "Network" (about sixth to seventh
  down)

Now the window splits (perhaps, instead, a second window opens,
depending on some mysterious browser settings). This new (sub-)
window will show the network traffic happening on a request.

Perhaps you should activate the tab "All" or something. Play
a bit around...

Now reload your page. To force reload regardless of cache state
(you /want/ to do that) hit SHIFT-CTRL-R.

Then you'll see a list of all the requests made and their results
in your network monitor (sub-)window. Failing requests (possibly
at the root of your problem?) should be marked red.

Enjoy the debugging ride :-)

Cheers
-- t

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#213201

On Sat 24 Aug 2019 at 21:15:50 +0200, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:

> On Sat, Aug 24, 2019 at 02:44:47PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> 
> [... some page not showing ...]
> 
> I just would add this page to my (enormous) blacklist. One hash't to
> put up with all the abominations the web tries to throw at us these
> days :-)

This page is displayed on my machine; no problem. I imagine it is
displayed on any other computer on the internet, including yours
(which you didn't say).

The inability for normal things to work, even a simple URL, is a
result of the GH effect.

-- 
Brian.

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On Sat, Aug 24, 2019 at 08:48:45PM +0100, Brian wrote:
> On Sat 24 Aug 2019 at 21:15:50 +0200, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:
> 
> > On Sat, Aug 24, 2019 at 02:44:47PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > 
> > [... some page not showing ...]
> > 
> > I just would add this page to my (enormous) blacklist. One hash't to
> > put up with all the abominations the web tries to throw at us these
> > days :-)
> 
> This page is displayed on my machine; no problem. I imagine it is
> displayed on any other computer on the internet, including yours
> (which you didn't say).

I didn't even try: my default web browser doesn't "do" javascript,
so I'm nearly 100% sure it will show a white hole too.

> The inability for normal things to work, even a simple URL, is a
> result of the GH effect.

You can be smug as you want, until... some thing stops working at
your end. Then you come here :)

Cheers
-- t

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#213205

On Sat 24 Aug 2019 at 21:58:43 +0200, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:

> On Sat, Aug 24, 2019 at 08:48:45PM +0100, Brian wrote:
> > On Sat 24 Aug 2019 at 21:15:50 +0200, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > 
> > > On Sat, Aug 24, 2019 at 02:44:47PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > 
> > > [... some page not showing ...]
> > > 
> > > I just would add this page to my (enormous) blacklist. One hash't to
> > > put up with all the abominations the web tries to throw at us these
> > > days :-)
> > 
> > This page is displayed on my machine; no problem. I imagine it is
> > displayed on any other computer on the internet, including yours
> > (which you didn't say).
> 
> I didn't even try: my default web browser doesn't "do" javascript,
> so I'm nearly 100% sure it will show a white hole too.

There is more than you who have tried the URL. Nobody with a browser
doing javascript has backed up the GH observation. The site is fine.
Its the usual user cock-up.

> > The inability for normal things to work, even a simple URL, is a
> > result of the GH effect.
> 
> You can be smug as you want, until... some thing stops working at
> your end. Then you come here :)

The very last thing I would post here about is a non-working URL.

> 
> Cheers
> -- t

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#213206

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On Sat, Aug 24, 2019 at 10:57:10PM +0100, Brian wrote:
> On Sat 24 Aug 2019 at 21:58:43 +0200, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:

[...]

> > You can be smug as you want, until... some thing stops working at
> > your end. Then you come here :)
> 
> The very last thing I would post here about is a non-working URL.

(I hope you saw my tongue-in-cheek in spite of the wrong trigram
There, here is it ;-P

More seriously (but only somewhat) : are there any working URLs
still out there?

Cheers
-- t

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On 2019-08-24 at 15:48, Brian wrote:

> On Sat 24 Aug 2019 at 21:15:50 +0200, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:
> 
>> On Sat, Aug 24, 2019 at 02:44:47PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
>> 
>> [... some page not showing ...]
>> 
>> I just would add this page to my (enormous) blacklist. One hash't
>> to put up with all the abominations the web tries to throw at us
>> these days :-)
> 
> This page is displayed on my machine; no problem. I imagine it is 
> displayed on any other computer on the internet, including yours 
> (which you didn't say).
> 
> The inability for normal things to work, even a simple URL, is a 
> result of the GH effect.

FWIW, I get similar-sounding behaviors with seemingly-arbitrary sites on
my own primary machine; I've always chalked it up to a fweird bug in
Firefox, both because it always works through other channels (other
browsers on the same machine, wget on the same machine, Firefox on
another machine) and because upgrading Firefox to a new version usually
fixes it.

When it happens, Firefox just shows the page as plain blank; even "View
Source" shows an empty document.

It hadn't occurred to me to check the "Web Developer" console as
suggested a few posts back, and I'm not entirely positive it would work
as described / expected in my somewhat outdated Firefox, but that's a
good suggestion and I'll want to pursue it for possible further clues.

Currently, the only place I'm seeing this is
http://www.electoral-vote.com/, and I've been seeing it there for at
least a large fraction of a year and possibly considerably more.
(Because I haven't managed to wrangle extensions, etc., to the point
where I'm willing to upgrade Firefox.)

So, depending on what the underlying behavior of what I'm seeing is and
(to some possible extent) on what browser version Gene is using, it's
entirely possible that this is a genuine weirdity and not just something
unique to Gene's (I think) somewhat idiosyncratic environment.


One thing I haven't tried is a clean Firefox profile, but I suspect that
that would fix it just as well as a Firefox upgrade would. If so, then
very likely something in one of Firefox's semi-opaque binary
configuration files (most if not all of which I think are SQLite
databases, nowadays) has gotten corrupted, and figuring out what could
lead to a way to fix it without that clean wipe.

-- 
   The Wanderer

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all
progress depends on the unreasonable man.         -- George Bernard Shaw

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#213218

On Saturday 24 August 2019 20:48:37 The Wanderer wrote:

> On 2019-08-24 at 15:48, Brian wrote:
> > On Sat 24 Aug 2019 at 21:15:50 +0200, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:
> >> On Sat, Aug 24, 2019 at 02:44:47PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> >>
> >> [... some page not showing ...]
> >>
> >> I just would add this page to my (enormous) blacklist. One hash't
> >> to put up with all the abominations the web tries to throw at us
> >> these days :-)
> >
> > This page is displayed on my machine; no problem. I imagine it is
> > displayed on any other computer on the internet, including yours
> > (which you didn't say).
> >
> > The inability for normal things to work, even a simple URL, is a
> > result of the GH effect.
>
> FWIW, I get similar-sounding behaviors with seemingly-arbitrary sites
> on my own primary machine; I've always chalked it up to a fweird bug
> in Firefox, both because it always works through other channels (other
> browsers on the same machine, wget on the same machine, Firefox on
> another machine) and because upgrading Firefox to a new version
> usually fixes it.
>
> When it happens, Firefox just shows the page as plain blank; even
> "View Source" shows an empty document.
>
> It hadn't occurred to me to check the "Web Developer" console as
> suggested a few posts back, and I'm not entirely positive it would
> work as described / expected in my somewhat outdated Firefox, but
> that's a good suggestion and I'll want to pursue it for possible
> further clues.
>
> Currently, the only place I'm seeing this is
> http://www.electoral-vote.com/,

which, fwiw, works just fine here.

> and I've been seeing it there for at 
> least a large fraction of a year and possibly considerably more.
> (Because I haven't managed to wrangle extensions, etc., to the point
> where I'm willing to upgrade Firefox.)
>
> So, depending on what the underlying behavior of what I'm seeing is
> and (to some possible extent) on what browser version Gene is using,
> it's entirely possible that this is a genuine weirdity and not just
> something unique to Gene's (I think) somewhat idiosyncratic
> environment.
>
>
> One thing I haven't tried is a clean Firefox profile, but I suspect
> that that would fix it just as well as a Firefox upgrade would. If so,
> then very likely something in one of Firefox's semi-opaque binary
> configuration files (most if not all of which I think are SQLite
> databases, nowadays) has gotten corrupted, and figuring out what could
> lead to a way to fix it without that clean wipe.


Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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On 2019-08-24 at 20:57, Gene Heskett wrote:

> On Saturday 24 August 2019 20:48:37 The Wanderer wrote:
> 
>> On 2019-08-24 at 15:48, Brian wrote:

>>> This page is displayed on my machine; no problem. I imagine it
>>> is displayed on any other computer on the internet, including
>>> yours (which you didn't say).
>>> 
>>> The inability for normal things to work, even a simple URL, is a 
>>> result of the GH effect.
>> 
>> FWIW, I get similar-sounding behaviors with seemingly-arbitrary
>> sites on my own primary machine; I've always chalked it up to a
>> fweird bug in Firefox, both because it always works through other
>> channels (other browsers on the same machine, wget on the same
>> machine, Firefox on another machine) and because upgrading Firefox
>> to a new version usually fixes it.

>> Currently, the only place I'm seeing this is 
>> http://www.electoral-vote.com/,
> 
> which, fwiw, works just fine here.

Well, yes, I'd expect that. Whatever is causing this to break (as I
said, I suspect something in the Firefox profile) is clearly
per-machine; this even works fine for me in Firefox on another computer
on the same network.

Similarly, I haven't bothered checking the URL you gave, because I'd
expect it to work just fine for me even if it fails for you - just as
I'd expect this URL to work for you, even though it fails for me.

-- 
   The Wanderer

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all
progress depends on the unreasonable man.         -- George Bernard Shaw

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#213223

http://www.electoral-vote.com/ comes up fine here on Firefox 60.8.0. It
wants to load script from itself, Twitter, and Addthis (I don't let it,
of course).  It doesn't seem to want to set any cookies, but you might
try clearing your cookies and cache anyway.  Sometimes sites won't load
because you have an old and/or corrupted cookie that they set.  This is
a bug in their code, of course, but telling them so is useless.
-- 
John Hasler 
jhasler@newsguy.com
Elmwood, WI USA

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On 2019-08-24 at 21:16, John Hasler wrote:

> http://www.electoral-vote.com/ comes up fine here on Firefox 60.8.0.

Naturally enough.

> It wants to load script from itself, Twitter, and Addthis (I don't
> let it, of course).  It doesn't seem to want to set any cookies, but
> you might try clearing your cookies and cache anyway.

Searching Edit -> Preferences -> Privacy -> Show Cookies... for
'electoral' finds no results, so I don't think there's anything to
clear. I'm certainly not going to clear my cookies en masse just for
this, there's too much else that I probably want to keep that's stored
in them.

I might try clearing my cache at some point, but I think it's all
expired multiple times since this problem first manifested, anyway.

> Sometimes sites won't load because you have an old and/or corrupted
> cookie that they set.  This is a bug in their code, of course, but
> telling them so is useless.

True enough, but I think a false trail in this case.

-- 
   The Wanderer

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all
progress depends on the unreasonable man.         -- George Bernard Shaw

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#213204

On Sat, Aug 24, 2019 at 01:10:36PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Saturday 24 August 2019 12:43:39 Tixy wrote:
> 
> > On Sat, 2019-08-24 at 12:22 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > On Saturday 24 August 2019 10:33:20 Tixy wrote:
> > > > On Sat, 2019-08-24 at 10:21 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > >
> > > https://abcnews4.com/news/nation-world/w-va-ambulance-ems-director-a
> > >
> > > > >rrested-accused-of-missing-and-tampering-with-narcotics
> > > > >
> > > > > All I get for clicking on it is a blank screen.
> > > >
> > > > Looks like abcnews4.com does everything with javascript. You got
> > >
> > > that
> > >
> > > > disabled or blocked with a plugin?
> > >
> > > IDK, how do I check?
> >
> > Well, you'd know if you'd installed a specific plugin like NoScript,
> 
> Stuff like noscript is installed but all that is disabled

Noscript might have become active again if you updated to 
Debian 10 buster recently.  

I installed noscript many years ago and tried it out but I guess back 
then it felt a little annoying to have to explicitly allow all the 
various pages so I allowed javascript by default.  (i.e. noscript stayed 
installed but wasn't doing anything.)  A few weeks ago I finally 
updated to buster and I noticed that it had gone back to blocking 
javascript by default.  Since then I've been trying the block-by-default 
setup and I like it so I've kept it like that.

So with noscript active, when I try the site you mention, all I get is 
also a blank page.

On the same line with my address bar, to the right, there is an icon for 
noscript, showing that it is blocking some sites.  By clicking on that 
icon, I can try to temporarily or permanently allow code from any of those
sites.  Then I reload the page.

For your blank site, I had to allow abc4news.com and 
sinclairstoryline.com.  Those two were enough for the story to appear
(though I allow some sites by default, so I am not sure if there is 
something else you need to allow).

Of course, when selectively allowing only an incomplete subset of the 
javascript, one can never be sure if there is more "meaningful/useful 
content" on the page that you don't see but are not aware of missing.  
But in this case the story looks like it's there and even has a picture, 
so I assume the rest of the javascript will not add content to this news 
item.

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On Saturday 24 August 2019 16:18:30 Selim T. Erdoğan wrote:

> On Sat, Aug 24, 2019 at 01:10:36PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Saturday 24 August 2019 12:43:39 Tixy wrote:
> > > On Sat, 2019-08-24 at 12:22 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > > On Saturday 24 August 2019 10:33:20 Tixy wrote:
> > > > > On Sat, 2019-08-24 at 10:21 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > >
> > > > https://abcnews4.com/news/nation-world/w-va-ambulance-ems-direct
> > > >or-a
> > > >
> > > > > >rrested-accused-of-missing-and-tampering-with-narcotics
> > > > > >
> > > > > > All I get for clicking on it is a blank screen.
> > > > >
> > > > > Looks like abcnews4.com does everything with javascript. You
> > > > > got
> > > >
> > > > that
> > > >
> > > > > disabled or blocked with a plugin?
> > > >
> > > > IDK, how do I check?
> > >
> > > Well, you'd know if you'd installed a specific plugin like
> > > NoScript,
> >
> > Stuff like noscript is installed but all that is disabled
>
> Noscript might have become active again if you updated to
> Debian 10 buster recently.
>
Sorry, no. Stretch yet.
> I installed noscript many years ago and tried it out but I guess back
> then it felt a little annoying to have to explicitly allow all the
> various pages so I allowed javascript by default.  (i.e. noscript
> stayed installed but wasn't doing anything.)  A few weeks ago I
> finally updated to buster and I noticed that it had gone back to
> blocking javascript by default.  Since then I've been trying the
> block-by-default setup and I like it so I've kept it like that.
>
> So with noscript active, when I try the site you mention, all I get is
> also a blank page.
>
> On the same line with my address bar, to the right, there is an icon
> for noscript, showing that it is blocking some sites.  By clicking on
> that icon, I can try to temporarily or permanently allow code from any
> of those sites.  Then I reload the page.
>
> For your blank site, I had to allow abc4news.com and
> sinclairstoryline.com.  Those two were enough for the story to appear
> (though I allow some sites by default, so I am not sure if there is
> something else you need to allow).
>
> Of course, when selectively allowing only an incomplete subset of the
> javascript, one can never be sure if there is more "meaningful/useful
> content" on the page that you don't see but are not aware of missing.
> But in this case the story looks like it's there and even has a
> picture, so I assume the rest of the javascript will not add content
> to this news item.


Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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