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  August 10, 2019 Randy Demerchant <randydemerchant@yahoo.ca> - 2019-08-11 01:10 +0200
    Re: August 10, 2019 Nektarios Katakis <nektarios@mail.nektarioskatakis.xyz> - 2019-08-11 02:20 +0200
    Re: August 10, 2019 David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2019-08-11 03:10 +0200
      Re: August 10, 2019 Judah Richardson <judahrichardson@gmail.com> - 2019-08-11 03:20 +0200
    Re: August 10, 2019 Keith Bainbridge <ke1th3216@gmail.com> - 2019-08-11 03:30 +0200
    Re: August 10, 2019 Keith Bainbridge <ke1th3216@gmail.com> - 2019-08-11 03:40 +0200
      Re: August 10, 2019 Nektarios Katakis <nektarios@mail.nektarioskatakis.xyz> - 2019-08-11 12:50 +0200
    Re: August 10, 2019 Patrick Bartek <nemommxiv@gmail.com> - 2019-08-11 07:40 +0200
    Re: can I install and use Debian (was: August 10, 2019) Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2019-08-11 08:40 +0200
    Re: August 10, 2019 Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2019-08-11 17:40 +0200
      Re: August 10, 2019 Steven Mainor <steve@degga.net> - 2019-08-12 00:00 +0200

#212611 — August 10, 2019

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 I have a dell laptop 1720 and desktop acer ax 1935. I like to know can I install and use Debian on eithers of these two system with out ant problems Can you let me know thank you Randy

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#212613

You should check the debian documentation pages for hw support
https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch02s01.en.html
If some of your hardware is not mentioned there is a serious posibility that it wont be recognized from the OS.
The most common firmware missing are graphic cards and wireless cards. Some are packaged in the non free repositories 
https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList.
Regards,
Nektarios


On August 10, 2019 10:53:29 PM UTC, Randy Demerchant <randydemerchant@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> I have a dell laptop 1720 and desktop acer ax 1935. I like to know can
>I install and use Debian on eithers of these two system with out ant
>problems Can you let me know thank you Randy

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#212615

On 8/10/19 3:53 PM, Randy Demerchant wrote:
>   I have a dell laptop 1720 and desktop acer ax 1935. I like to know can I install and use Debian on eithers of these two system with out ant problems Can you let me know thank you Randy

I have rarely been able to find a reliable answer to the question "Does 
OS distribution X work on computer hardware Y?" by STFW or asking on 
mailing lists.  But, sometimes you get lucky and somebody has that exact 
combination.


Assuming you possess the hardware, one approach is to download a "live' 
image of whatever OS you are interested in, write it to CD, DVD, USB, or 
whatever, and try booting it.  CMOS Setup changes may be required.  If 
and when it boots, log in, get to a sudo or root prompt, and look around 
-- dmesg(1), /var/log/*, etc..  It is prudent to backup, image, 
disconnect, and/or remove any existing drives before you start.


Another approach is to install a spare HDD, SSD, or USB drive, do an 
install, boot, log in, and look around.  Again, CMOS Setup changes may 
be required, and it is prudent to backup, image, disconnect, and/or 
remove any existing drives before you start.


It is not uncommon for computers to require, or benefit from, 
proprietary device drivers -- notably WiFi adapters and graphics chips/ 
cards.  Getting them installed and working correctly involves extra 
effort.  I am more familiar with adding these to a HDD/ SSD/ USB 
installation, but perhaps the live distributions have figured out a 
solution.


David

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The only way to know for sure is to boot into a live OS and see what works
and what doesn't. Or install it and see. From my experience I'd say Linux
supports everything except maybe stuff that uses TPM and some advanced/high
end GPU functionality.

On Sat, Aug 10, 2019, 20:09 David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com>
wrote:

> On 8/10/19 3:53 PM, Randy Demerchant wrote:
> >   I have a dell laptop 1720 and desktop acer ax 1935. I like to know can
> I install and use Debian on eithers of these two system with out ant
> problems Can you let me know thank you Randy
>
> I have rarely been able to find a reliable answer to the question "Does
> OS distribution X work on computer hardware Y?" by STFW or asking on
> mailing lists.  But, sometimes you get lucky and somebody has that exact
> combination.
>
>
> Assuming you possess the hardware, one approach is to download a "live'
> image of whatever OS you are interested in, write it to CD, DVD, USB, or
> whatever, and try booting it.  CMOS Setup changes may be required.  If
> and when it boots, log in, get to a sudo or root prompt, and look around
> -- dmesg(1), /var/log/*, etc..  It is prudent to backup, image,
> disconnect, and/or remove any existing drives before you start.
>
>
> Another approach is to install a spare HDD, SSD, or USB drive, do an
> install, boot, log in, and look around.  Again, CMOS Setup changes may
> be required, and it is prudent to backup, image, disconnect, and/or
> remove any existing drives before you start.
>
>
> It is not uncommon for computers to require, or benefit from,
> proprietary device drivers -- notably WiFi adapters and graphics chips/
> cards.  Getting them installed and working correctly involves extra
> effort.  I am more familiar with adding these to a HDD/ SSD/ USB
> installation, but perhaps the live distributions have figured out a
> solution.
>
>
> David
>
>

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#212617

On 11/8/19 8:53 am, Randy Demerchant wrote:
>   I have a dell laptop 1720 and desktop acer ax 1935.
>   I like to know can I install and use Debian on eithers of these two 
> system with out ant problems
>   Can you let me know thank you Randy


Suggest you try a live version - runs from a DVD or USB stick; doesn't 
do anything to your present system till you actually run the install 
program.

https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/

Includes a summary of what you can do and expect

It will run as long as you like, can have packages installed if you want 
(but won't be there on re-boot), add printer/s etc.



When you're happy just run the install program. You'll get the option to 
leave the present system in place if you prefer.

-- 
Keith Bainbridge

ke1th3216@gmail.com
+61 (0)447 667 468

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#212618

On 11/8/19 8:53 am, Randy Demerchant wrote:
>   I have a dell laptop 1720 and desktop acer ax 1935.
>   I like to know can I install and use Debian on eithers of these two 
> system with out ant problems
>   Can you let me know thank you Randy


Dawned on me that the non-free iso may be better. Look at

https://cdimage.debian.org/images/unofficial/non-free/images-including-firmware/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/


-- 
Keith Bainbridge

ke1th3216@gmail.com
+61 (0)447 667 468

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#212629

On Sun, 11 Aug 2019 11:21:15 +1000
Keith Bainbridge <ke1th3216@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 11/8/19 8:53 am, Randy Demerchant wrote:
> >   I have a dell laptop 1720 and desktop acer ax 1935.
> >   I like to know can I install and use Debian on eithers of these
> > two system with out ant problems
> >   Can you let me know thank you Randy  
> 
> 
> Dawned on me that the non-free iso may be better. Look at
> 
> https://cdimage.debian.org/images/unofficial/non-free/images-including-firmware/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/
> 
> 

Interesting one! I didnt this build existed :) Even in unofficial
repos. This will most likely will make everything work from the start.

Cheers,

--
Nektarios Katakis

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#212620

On Sat, 10 Aug 2019 22:53:29 +0000 (UTC)
Randy Demerchant <randydemerchant@yahoo.ca> wrote:

>  I have a dell laptop 1720 and desktop acer ax 1935. I like to know
> can I install and use Debian on eithers of these two system with out
> ant problems Can you let me know thank you Randy

The short answer?  Probably.  How well they run will depend on what
you install.

For comaprison, I built this system 12.5 years ago (Jan 2007).  It's
been upgraded numerous times since.  The newest part is a 4 year
old 500GB SATAII HD.  The oldest, the 12 year old MB, an ASRock AM3.  It
has a Phenom II quad-core 3.0GHz CPU, 8GB DDR2(!) RAM. and a basic
2D, fanless GeForce 8400GS graphics card. It's currently running
Stretch (sysvinit instead of systemd) with the Openbox window manager
GUI (menus and single lxpanel).  It runs Buster (LXDE desktop & systemd)
quite well in Virtualbox 6.0 with 2GB RAM.  So, it should run even
better on the native hardware, but I'm not going to install it.
However, that's another story.

If you want better usability and performance with your old hardware
avoid "heavy" desktops like KDE and GNOME. Stick with light one's
-- LXDE or XFCE . . . OR . . . like I did, only a window manager.

If performance is still not to your liking, try a lighterweight
Debian-based OS like AntiX or something like Vector Linux.  There are
lots of linux distros designed for old hardware out there.

Let us know how it goes.

B

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#212622 — Re: can I install and use Debian (was: August 10, 2019)

Randy Demerchant composed on 2019-08-10 22:53 (UTC):

>  I have a dell laptop 1720

If https://www.cnet.com/products/dell-inspiron-1720/specs/ is what you have, 12
years old, don't be surprised if you encounter obstacles. Its GM965 chipset has a
mixed support reputation going back to when it was brand new. It's a sort of
milestone in Intel graphics performance and support, first in the Core2 mobile
line produced in high volume.

A friend presented me with an opportunity to replace WinVista with Linux on one
(Sony VAIO) four months ago. It was an ordeal I'd rather not have to go through
again. At root of the main problem was/is the S-video output it included, but its
broken external keyboard support made it necessary frequently to use certain of
the laptop keys, and I just cannot cope with a laptop keyboard or a screen so
close to my face in trying to use one. With any luck, your Dell won't have the
same problem, and/or you won't need to use an external keyboard.

The Sony's video problem, details of which I remember none any more, was
eventually worked around in both openSUSE and Buster using video=SVIDEO-1:d as a
kernel cmdline option.

> and desktop acer ax 1935.

If
https://www.cnet.com/products/acer-aspire-x1935-ur22p-core-i3-2120-3-3-ghz-4-gb-1-tb/
is what you have, 7 years old, you can expect better luck from its Sandy Bridge
chipset, but it hasn't been without its faults either. It's old enough now that
the teething trouble it had years ago should all be long gone.

If a default Debian Buster installation doesn't work for you on first try, do as
others suggested and do a non-default installation, choosing a DE other than KDE
or Gnome. On the Dell, you might wish to give AntiX a try. It's Debian-based, and
intended for older hardware such as the GM965.
-- 
Evolution as taught in public schools is religion, not science.

 Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks!

Felix Miata  ***  http://fm.no-ip.com/

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#212638

On Sat, Aug 10, 2019 at 10:53:29PM +0000, Randy Demerchant wrote:
>  I like to know can I install and use Debian on eithers of these two system with out ant problems

I've never had ant problems with Debian, but maybe stop eating over
the keyboard unless you want ants, because that's how you get ants.

Cheers,
Andy

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No ants yet. I have occasionally had problems with other types of bugs. But that is to be expected with any piece of software. 
--
Steven Mainor

On August 11, 2019 11:36:28 AM EDT, Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> wrote:
>On Sat, Aug 10, 2019 at 10:53:29PM +0000, Randy Demerchant wrote:
>>  I like to know can I install and use Debian on eithers of these two
>system with out ant problems
>
>I've never had ant problems with Debian, but maybe stop eating over
>the keyboard unless you want ants, because that's how you get ants.
>
>Cheers,
>Andy

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