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| Started by | Steven Mainor <steve@degga.net> |
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| First post | 2019-08-07 07:40 +0200 |
| Last post | 2019-08-09 12:20 +0200 |
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Server hardware advice. Steven Mainor <steve@degga.net> - 2019-08-07 07:40 +0200
Re: Server hardware advice. Richard Hector <richard@walnut.gen.nz> - 2019-08-07 08:00 +0200
Re: Server hardware advice. Steven Mainor <steve@degga.net> - 2019-08-07 08:10 +0200
Re: Server hardware advice. Nektarios Katakis <nektarios@mail.nektarioskatakis.xyz> - 2019-08-07 12:20 +0200
Re: Server hardware advice. mick crane <mick.crane@gmail.com> - 2019-08-07 14:10 +0200
Re: Server hardware advice. deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2019-08-07 17:00 +0200
Re: Server hardware advice. Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2019-08-07 17:10 +0200
Re: Server hardware advice. deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2019-08-07 17:20 +0200
Re: Server hardware advice. Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2019-08-07 17:40 +0200
Re: Server hardware advice. ghe <ghe@slsware.net> - 2019-08-07 17:50 +0200
Re: Server hardware advice. Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2019-08-08 00:20 +0200
Re: Server hardware advice. Steven Mainor <steve@degga.net> - 2019-08-07 18:50 +0200
Re: Server hardware advice. deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2019-08-08 07:50 +0200
Helpful attitude (was: Server hardware advice.) Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2019-08-08 11:00 +0200
Re: Helpful attitude (was: Server hardware advice.) Kenneth Parker <sea7kenp@gmail.com> - 2019-08-08 12:50 +0200
Re: Helpful attitude (was: Server hardware advice.) Jonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk> - 2019-08-08 14:10 +0200
Re: Helpful attitude (was: Server hardware advice.) Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2019-08-08 16:20 +0200
Re: Helpful attitude (was: Server hardware advice.) Jonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk> - 2019-08-08 17:00 +0200
Re: Helpful attitude (was: Server hardware advice.) deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2019-08-08 17:20 +0200
Re: Helpful attitude (was: Server hardware advice.) Jonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk> - 2019-08-08 18:00 +0200
Re: Helpful attitude (was: Server hardware advice.) Judah Richardson <judahrichardson@gmail.com> - 2019-08-08 21:50 +0200
Re: Helpful attitude (was: Server hardware advice.) deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2019-08-09 00:50 +0200
[OT] Helpful attitude (was: Server hardware advice.) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2019-08-09 10:00 +0200
Re: [OT] Helpful attitude (was: Server hardware advice.) Étienne Mollier <etienne.mollier@mailoo.org> - 2019-08-09 11:20 +0200
Re: [OT] Helpful attitude (was: Server hardware advice.) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2019-08-09 11:50 +0200
Re: [OT] Helpful attitude (was: Server hardware advice.) Étienne Mollier <etienne.mollier@mailoo.org> - 2019-08-09 12:30 +0200
Re: [OT] Helpful attitude (was: Server hardware advice.) tomas@tuxteam.de - 2019-08-09 14:40 +0200
Re: [OT] Helpful attitude (was: Server hardware advice.) Étienne Mollier <etienne.mollier@mailoo.org> - 2019-08-09 15:50 +0200
Re: [OT] Helpful attitude John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2019-08-09 15:50 +0200
Re: [OT] Helpful attitude The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> - 2019-08-09 16:00 +0200
Re: [OT] Helpful attitude Larry Martell <larry.martell@gmail.com> - 2019-08-09 16:10 +0200
Re: [OT] Helpful attitude Étienne Mollier <etienne.mollier@mailoo.org> - 2019-08-09 16:10 +0200
Re: [OT] Helpful attitude John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2019-08-09 17:30 +0200
Re: [OT] Helpful attitude Étienne Mollier <etienne.mollier@mailoo.org> - 2019-08-09 19:00 +0200
Re: [OT] Helpful attitude deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2019-08-09 18:30 +0200
Re: [OT] Helpful attitude Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2019-08-09 20:50 +0200
Re: Helpful attitude (was: Server hardware advice.) Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2019-08-08 22:20 +0200
Re: Helpful attitude Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2019-08-09 16:10 +0200
Re: Helpful attitude (was: Server hardware advice.) ghe <ghe@slsware.net> - 2019-08-09 08:20 +0200
Re: Helpful attitude (was: Server hardware advice.) Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-08-09 09:20 +0200
Re: Helpful attitude (was: Server hardware advice.) "Bob Crochelt" <rfc56@fastmail.com> - 2019-08-09 14:00 +0200
Re: Helpful attitude (was: Server hardware advice.) Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-08-09 16:20 +0200
Re: Helpful attitude (was: Server hardware advice.) "Bob Crochelt" <rfc56@fastmail.com> - 2019-08-10 00:00 +0200
Re: Helpful attitude (was: Server hardware advice.) rhkramer@gmail.com - 2019-08-08 14:10 +0200
Re: Server hardware advice. Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2019-08-07 09:00 +0200
Re: Server hardware advice. john doe <johndoe65534@mail.com> - 2019-08-07 09:40 +0200
Re: Server hardware advice. Jonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk> - 2019-08-07 10:50 +0200
Re: Server hardware advice. Jonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk> - 2019-08-07 10:30 +0200
Re: Server hardware advice. Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2019-08-07 11:00 +0200
Re: Server hardware advice. Jonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk> - 2019-08-07 11:10 +0200
Re: Server hardware advice. Steven Mainor <steve@degga.net> - 2019-08-07 12:10 +0200
Re: Server hardware advice. Jonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk> - 2019-08-07 12:50 +0200
Re: Server hardware advice. jochen-2019-q2@ozark.de - 2019-08-07 22:40 +0200
Re: Server hardware advice. Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2019-08-08 09:30 +0200
Re: Server hardware advice. John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2019-08-09 05:20 +0200
Re: Server hardware advice. Steven Mainor <steve@degga.net> - 2019-08-09 08:00 +0200
Re: Server hardware advice. John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2019-08-09 15:40 +0200
Re: Server hardware advice. deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2019-08-09 18:20 +0200
Re: Server hardware advice. Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2019-08-09 19:00 +0200
Re: Server hardware advice. Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2019-08-09 19:20 +0200
Re: Server hardware advice. Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2019-08-09 20:30 +0200
OT "x times cheaper", was: Re: Server hardware advice. Richard Hector <richard@walnut.gen.nz> - 2019-08-10 10:00 +0200
Re: OT "x times cheaper", was: Re: Server hardware advice. deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2019-08-10 11:20 +0200
Re: OT "x times cheaper", was: Re: Server hardware advice. Richard Hector <richard@walnut.gen.nz> - 2019-08-10 11:30 +0200
Re: OT "x times cheaper", was: Re: Server hardware advice. David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2019-08-10 17:10 +0200
Re: OT "x times cheaper", was: Re: Server hardware advice. Richard Hector <richard@walnut.gen.nz> - 2019-08-11 00:50 +0200
Re: OT "x times cheaper", was: Re: Server hardware advice. mick crane <mick.crane@gmail.com> - 2019-08-11 09:50 +0200
Re: OT "x times cheaper", was: Re: Server hardware advice. Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2019-08-11 12:00 +0200
Re: Server hardware advice. John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2019-08-09 19:50 +0200
Re: Server hardware advice. Steven Mainor <steve@degga.net> - 2019-08-10 04:00 +0200
Re: Server hardware advice. Steven Mainor <steve@degga.net> - 2019-08-07 12:00 +0200
Re: Server hardware advice. Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2019-08-07 13:00 +0200
Re: Server hardware advice. David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2019-08-08 09:10 +0200
Re: Server hardware advice. John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2019-08-08 15:20 +0200
Re: Server hardware advice. Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2019-08-08 15:50 +0200
Re: Server hardware advice. Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2019-08-08 16:30 +0200
Re: Server hardware advice. Jonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk> - 2019-08-08 17:00 +0200
Re: Server hardware advice. Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2019-08-08 17:30 +0200
Re: Server hardware advice. Jonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk> - 2019-08-08 18:20 +0200
Re: Server hardware advice. Steven Mainor <steve@degga.net> - 2019-08-08 22:50 +0200
Re: Server hardware advice. Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2019-08-08 23:10 +0200
Re: Server hardware advice. Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2019-08-08 23:20 +0200
Re: Server hardware advice. David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2019-08-09 00:10 +0200
Re: Server hardware advice. Igor Cicimov <icicimov@gmail.com> - 2019-08-09 12:20 +0200
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| From | Judah Richardson <judahrichardson@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2019-08-08 21:50 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Helpful attitude (was: Server hardware advice.) |
| Message-ID | <ysWA9-ZV-9@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #212450 |
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My experience with Linux forums over the years is that more effort is spent trying to find reasons to call people asking questions lazy and stupid (or dissing Windows/Windows users when the OP never even mentioned either) than actually helping them. So far this mailing list is below average on that metric from my observation, which is good. On Thu, Aug 8, 2019, 10:57 Jonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk> wrote: > Quoting deloptes (2019-08-08 17:13:03) > > Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > > > Reading the whole initial post (not only first half) is good too ;-) > > > > But please, I tried to make the statement more precise, cause the > > first half contradicts the second. Of course you could use any > > hardware that runs linux as a server, but putting those demands > > together, seems the guy is looking in the wrong direction. If you put > > together miserable hardware, you get miserable results. And you can > > not call this a server. You can use it _as_ a server - I was missing > > "as". Perhaps I was too picky, but no one knows what OPs state of > > knowledge and experience is. > > Let's for the sake of discussion assume that the initial post was > totally incomprehensible to you. You then asked for clarification - > makes good sense. And asking in the style of "When I read server > hardware I understand..." makes good sense as well. > > ...but then the OP responded and explicitly clarifies to you what > his understanding of "server hardware" is, it no longer makes sense to > > ...but when the OP responds with "I would say a server is any piece of > software or hardware that serves data to other devices" you got your > clarification! > > >From that point on it no longer makes sense to insist - in same thread - > on a different interpretation: Topic is a request for help, and you are > frankly not helping with what was asked. > > You might theoretically be helping millions of others reading along who > appreciate your continued inout about a derived subject - but it is more > sensible to me, and more visible to those who want that help, if you > change the subject line to match your derived topic. > > > > And in general in one discussion everybody can put forward any > > statement or question. No one is forced to answer. > > Anyone can do anything. Not all is sensible, however. > > Possibly taking the time to write this email is not sensible - time will > tell... > > > - Jonas > > -- > * Jonas Smedegaard - idealist & Internet-arkitekt > * Tlf.: +45 40843136 Website: http://dr.jones.dk/ > > [x] quote me freely [ ] ask before reusing [ ] keep private >
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| From | deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2019-08-09 00:50 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Helpful attitude (was: Server hardware advice.) |
| Message-ID | <ysZol-2KI-7@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #212450 |
Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > You might theoretically be helping millions of others reading along who > appreciate your continued inout about a derived subject - but it is more > sensible to me, and more visible to those who want that help, if you > change the subject line to match your derived topic. No, I am helping the OP. As one wise man said once: from shit you can make only shit and this is it with low budget crappy hardware servers. He may be wise to understand you too. I did not want to induce my opinion that way, but if there is no other way to say it clear ... I hope now it is clear. Than someone suggests a NAS board etc. etc. - cause he/she has a server for MP3 files and so on... When I was student with low budget I tried this - nothing worked (long). Doing proper concept, calculations included and spending a bit more gave me a system running without an issue for more than 6y now - its worth the latest penny. So I do not know if you can buy for 500 today what I have bought for 1000 6y ago - I doubt, but then the guy says he has some old disks, not saying what kind of disks and wants a server? Pls give me a break. If those 3-4 people try reading/writing simultaneously and it has also some background jobs running ... well good luck.
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| From | <tomas@tuxteam.de> |
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| Date | 2019-08-09 10:00 +0200 |
| Subject | [OT] Helpful attitude (was: Server hardware advice.) |
| Message-ID | <yt7YB-89H-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #212477 |
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[...] > No, > I am helping the OP. As one wise man said once: from shit you can make only > shit [...] This wise man didn't know about agriculture, then. (Yes, and there's some hidden message in my seemingly OT comment, but I'll leave that as an exercise to the reader ;-) Nevermind, cheers -- tomás
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| From | Étienne Mollier <etienne.mollier@mailoo.org> |
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| Date | 2019-08-09 11:20 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: [OT] Helpful attitude (was: Server hardware advice.) |
| Message-ID | <yt9e2-Fd-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #212488 |
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tomás, on 2019-08-09:
> (Yes, and there's some hidden message in my seemingly OT comment,
> but I'll leave that as an exercise to the reader ;-)
Oh my ${DEITY}, once you see it, you cannot "un-see" it...
It sounds like a good opportunity to recall the code of conduct
of the list; in addition to other items, it prohibits profanity:
https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/
Should this be observed more closely, this kind of situation
would probably not have happened.
--
Étienne Mollier <etienne.mollier@mailoo.org>
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| From | <tomas@tuxteam.de> |
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| Date | 2019-08-09 11:50 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: [OT] Helpful attitude (was: Server hardware advice.) |
| Message-ID | <yt9H4-Pq-11@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #212489 |
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On Fri, Aug 09, 2019 at 11:12:22AM +0200, Étienne Mollier wrote:
> tomás, on 2019-08-09:
> > (Yes, and there's some hidden message in my seemingly OT comment,
> > but I'll leave that as an exercise to the reader ;-)
>
> Oh my ${DEITY}, once you see it, you cannot "un-see" it...
>
> It sounds like a good opportunity to recall the code of conduct
> of the list; in addition to other items, it prohibits profanity:
>
> https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/
>
> Should this be observed more closely, this kind of situation
> would probably not have happened.
Now a genuine question (yes, sometimes I'm too dumb to understand
subtle things -- that after having made a "subtle comment" myself:
egg on my face).
Have you found issue in my post? Let me know, then, if necessary
bluntly, at your choice via the list or directly.
Ready to learn. Yes, really: no irony or sarcasm.
Cheers
-- tomás
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| From | Étienne Mollier <etienne.mollier@mailoo.org> |
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| Date | 2019-08-09 12:30 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: [OT] Helpful attitude (was: Server hardware advice.) |
| Message-ID | <ytajL-1jo-11@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #212490 |
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> On Fri, Aug 09, 2019 at 11:12:22AM +0200, Étienne Mollier wrote:
> > tomás, on 2019-08-09:
> > > (Yes, and there's some hidden message in my seemingly OT comment,
> > > but I'll leave that as an exercise to the reader ;-)
> >
> > Oh my ${DEITY}, once you see it, you cannot "un-see" it...
> >
> > It sounds like a good opportunity to recall the code of conduct
> > of the list; in addition to other items, it prohibits profanity:
> >
> > https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/
> >
> > Should this be observed more closely, this kind of situation
> > would probably not have happened.
>
> Now a genuine question (yes, sometimes I'm too dumb to understand
> subtle things -- that after having made a "subtle comment" myself:
> egg on my face).
>
> Have you found issue in my post? Let me know, then, if necessary
> bluntly, at your choice via the list or directly.
>
> Ready to learn. Yes, really: no irony or sarcasm.
>
> Cheers
> -- tomás
Good morning tomás,
Sincere apologies if you took it personally, I did not intend to
target you at all. My message was actually addressed to anyone
on the list, especially some writers with stronger language than
usual, but I can't recall you being part of this set. Yes, I
have found an issue; yes, it appears in your post; no, it is not
your authoring. Perhaps I unwillingly targeted you by quoting a
part of your message, but this was not intentional. Should it
reoccur, the message would just contain the paragraph leading to
the link, no quote. Are you fine with that, or do I completely
miss the point?
Now thinking twice, the so called wise man which authored the
very first profanity may not be subscribed to the list though...
:)
Kind regards,
--
Étienne Mollier <etienne.mollier@mailoo.org>
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| From | tomas@tuxteam.de |
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| Date | 2019-08-09 14:40 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: [OT] Helpful attitude (was: Server hardware advice.) |
| Message-ID | <ytclA-2wZ-23@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #212492 |
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On Fri, Aug 09, 2019 at 12:24:41PM +0200, Étienne Mollier wrote: [...] > Good morning tomás, > > Sincere apologies if you took it personally, No worries, I didn't. Not as an offense, by the least. No need to apoligize. > I did not intend to > target you at all. Thing is, we all do stupid things without noticing, and from past experience I know *I* do. But I'm willing to learn from mistakes -- thus my question. > My message was actually addressed to anyone > on the list, especially some writers with stronger language than > usual, but I can't recall you being part of this set. Yes, I > have found an issue; yes, it appears in your post; no, it is not > your authoring. Perhaps I unwillingly targeted you by quoting a > part of your message, but this was not intentional. Should it > reoccur, the message would just contain the paragraph leading to > the link, no quote. Are you fine with that, or do I completely > miss the point? Somewhat, but in a different way :-) See, as far as I am concerned, your post was fine, so when you feel like that, just do it again. And if you catch me behaving as I shouldn't, by all means, call me out on that. > Now thinking twice, the so called wise man which authored the > very first profanity may not be subscribed to the list though... > :) I tend to be a bit more lenient than you: this kind of profanities don't seem to me too hard: although I'd prefer them to be rare (for the benefit of those who might feel pain at reading them), I think that some level of tolerance is necessary in such a big mailing list. The OP didn't insult anyone personally, and (s)he is known to have a rather curt and strong language. OTOH, (s)he has many helpful and to-the-point posts here. That's why I decided to take the edge off that thing in a humorous way by reminding us of the fact that agriculture's main business model is turning manure into tasty aubergines; so perhaps that wise man wasn't totally right after all... So don't worry. All is well. My question was really genuine, not a contorted way of defense or something. Cheers -- tomás
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| From | Étienne Mollier <etienne.mollier@mailoo.org> |
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| Date | 2019-08-09 15:50 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: [OT] Helpful attitude (was: Server hardware advice.) |
| Message-ID | <ytdrk-3b4-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #212495 |
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tomás, on 2019-08-09:
> On Fri, Aug 09, 2019 at 12:24:41PM +0200, Étienne Mollier wrote:
[...]
> > My message was actually addressed to anyone
> > on the list, especially some writers with stronger language than
> > usual, but I can't recall you being part of this set. Yes, I
> > have found an issue; yes, it appears in your post; no, it is not
> > your authoring. Perhaps I unwillingly targeted you by quoting a
> > part of your message, but this was not intentional. Should it
> > reoccur, the message would just contain the paragraph leading to
> > the link, no quote. Are you fine with that, or do I completely
> > miss the point?
>
> Somewhat, but in a different way :-)
Once, a wise woman told that textual messages carry around
thirty percent of the meaning intended in the first place. It
looks like this holds quite true in this exchange then. :)
> See, as far as I am concerned, your post was fine, so when you
> feel like that, just do it again. And if you catch me behaving
> as I shouldn't, by all means, call me out on that.
Sure will do, although I will probably stick to private messages
first, if that ends up being necessary.
> > Now thinking twice, the so called wise man which authored the
> > very first profanity may not be subscribed to the list though...
> > :)
>
> I tend to be a bit more lenient than you: this kind of profanities
> don't seem to me too hard: although I'd prefer them to be rare
> (for the benefit of those who might feel pain at reading them),
> I think that some level of tolerance is necessary in such a
> big mailing list. The OP didn't insult anyone personally, and
> (s)he is known to have a rather curt and strong language. OTOH,
> (s)he has many helpful and to-the-point posts here.
You are plain right (unless some people are currently reading
this list with radio packets in countries where documented
limitations in the language do apply, I suppose). I also must
acknowledge the quality of the participation of the writer you
mention, for I have been subscribed myself long enough to
witness it.
Somehow the profanity this time turned back against its author
in an embarrassing way, and that reminded me about the code of
conduct on this topic. Rereading my initial post, I believe
that I sound exactly like an overreacting puritan. Crap, I
should've kept that formulation with the smiley, present in the
original draft...
> That's why I decided to take the edge off that thing in a
> humorous way by reminding us of the fact that agriculture's
> main business model is turning manure into tasty aubergines;
> so perhaps that wise man wasn't totally right after all...
Indeed, aubergines are tasty, and I was reading an interesting
article about reintroduction of horses and oxen in agriculture,
and how it could participate in reducing the energy cost of
having to produce manure artificially on one side, and reduce
the dependency on fuel for tractors on the other side.
Obviously, as such that would be at the expense of food
productivity; except perhaps if we consider the food thrown
afterwards instead of being eaten, but I digress:
https://solar.lowtechmagazine.com/2008/04/horses-agricult.html
(Note that solar.lowtechmagazine.com is hosted on an SBC, if it
can relate to the initial thread. It definitely does not run
Nextcloud though.)
> So don't worry. All is well. My question was really genuine,
> not a contorted way of defense or something.
No worries then, that is a relief! :D
Kind regards,
--
Étienne Mollier <etienne.mollier@mailoo.org>
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| From | John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> |
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| Date | 2019-08-09 15:50 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: [OT] Helpful attitude |
| Message-ID | <ytdrk-3b4-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #212492 |
Étienne writes: > ...profanity... Profanity is a matter of context. As used in this discussion "shit" is just a synonym for "manure". -- John Hasler jhasler@newsguy.com Elmwood, WI USA
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| From | The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> |
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| Date | 2019-08-09 16:00 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: [OT] Helpful attitude |
| Message-ID | <ytdB0-3ez-11@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #212500 |
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On 2019-08-09 at 09:46, John Hasler wrote: > Étienne writes: > >> ...profanity... > > Profanity is a matter of context. As used in this discussion "shit" > is just a synonym for "manure". To be pedantic, "shit" isn't profanity in the first place; it's vulgarity. Profanity deals with matters religious. Obscenity deals with matters sexual. Vulgarity deals with matters involving other bodily functions, i.e., primarily matters scatological. I think I may vaguely recall having once identified an umbrella term which covers all three (beyond just "foul language" or similar), but just offhand I can't think what it might have been. -- The Wanderer The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw
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| From | Larry Martell <larry.martell@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2019-08-09 16:10 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: [OT] Helpful attitude |
| Message-ID | <ytdKG-3xs-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #212502 |
On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 9:57 AM The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> wrote: > > On 2019-08-09 at 09:46, John Hasler wrote: > > > Étienne writes: > > > >> ...profanity... > > > > Profanity is a matter of context. As used in this discussion "shit" > > is just a synonym for "manure". > > To be pedantic, "shit" isn't profanity in the first place; it's > vulgarity. > > Profanity deals with matters religious. > > Obscenity deals with matters sexual. > > Vulgarity deals with matters involving other bodily functions, i.e., > primarily matters scatological. > > I think I may vaguely recall having once identified an umbrella term > which covers all three (beyond just "foul language" or similar), but > just offhand I can't think what it might have been. “There are no bad words. Bad thoughts. Bad intentions, and words.” ― George Carlin
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| From | Étienne Mollier <etienne.mollier@mailoo.org> |
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| Date | 2019-08-09 16:10 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: [OT] Helpful attitude |
| Message-ID | <ytdKG-3xs-7@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #212502 |
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The Wanderer, on 2019-08-09:
> On 2019-08-09 at 09:46, John Hasler wrote:
>
> > Étienne writes:
> >
> >> ...profanity...
> >
> > Profanity is a matter of context. As used in this discussion "shit"
> > is just a synonym for "manure".
>
> To be pedantic, "shit" isn't profanity in the first place; it's
> vulgarity.
>
> Profanity deals with matters religious.
Interesting! If agreement there is on this definition, then
this would explain the point about illegality on radio waves in
various countries.
Kind regards,
--
Étienne Mollier <etienne.mollier@mailoo.org>
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| From | John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> |
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| Date | 2019-08-09 17:30 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: [OT] Helpful attitude |
| Message-ID | <ytf05-4f3-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #212506 |
The Wanderer writes: > Profanity deals with matters religious. Originally, yes. The definitions of all three words have been broadened in common use so as to make them synonyms to most people. Étienne writes: > Interesting! If agreement there is on this definition, then this > would explain the point about illegality on radio waves in various > countries. Yes. In the USA profanity (in the original sense) is not illegal on radio because of the establishment of religion clause. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_dirty_words -- John Hasler jhasler@newsguy.com Elmwood, WI USA
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| From | Étienne Mollier <etienne.mollier@mailoo.org> |
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| Date | 2019-08-09 19:00 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: [OT] Helpful attitude |
| Message-ID | <ytgpb-503-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #212509 |
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John Hasler, on 2019-08-09:
> The Wanderer writes:
> > Profanity deals with matters religious.
>
> Originally, yes. The definitions of all three words have been broadened
> in common use so as to make them synonyms to most people.
That is without mentioning translations. The idea carried by
the word "profanity" according to the sense here over does not
seem to have a matching translation in my mother tongue. On one
hand "profane words" seems pretty weak, and "blasphemy" on the
other hand seems a wee bit too strong.
The encyclopedia seem to document this sense to be older and
literal, so I guess the more general sense is in common use:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Profanity
> Étienne writes:
> > Interesting! If agreement there is on this definition, then this
> > would explain the point about illegality on radio waves in various
> > countries.
>
> Yes. In the USA profanity (in the original sense) is not illegal on
> radio because of the establishment of religion clause.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_dirty_words
Somehow, it is kind of reassuring to read that:
“The FCC regulations regarding "fleeting" use of
expletives were ruled unconstitutionally vague by a
three-judge panel of the U.S. 2nd Circuit Court of
Appeals in New York on July 13, 2010, as they violated
the First Amendment due to their possible effects
regarding free speech.”
Kind regards,
--
Étienne Mollier <etienne.mollier@mailoo.org>
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| From | deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2019-08-09 18:30 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: [OT] Helpful attitude |
| Message-ID | <ytfW9-4Pq-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #212502 |
The Wanderer wrote: > To be pedantic, "shit" isn't profanity in the first place; it's > vulgarity. > > Profanity deals with matters religious. > > Obscenity deals with matters sexual. > > Vulgarity deals with matters involving other bodily functions, i.e., > primarily matters scatological. > > I think I may vaguely recall having once identified an umbrella term > which covers all three (beyond just "foul language" or similar), but > just offhand I can't think what it might have been. > I do not know which meaning of the word this wise man had in mind, but the metaphor to manure is not bad. Even in agriculture you need light and water and in the case I am not sure if 500 is enough to give live to something useful. Instead of a big nice red tomato OP may get a salad of old tomatoes :D
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| From | Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2019-08-09 20:50 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: [OT] Helpful attitude |
| Message-ID | <yti7D-67f-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #212502 |
On Fri 09 Aug 2019 at 09:57:00 -0400, The Wanderer wrote: > On 2019-08-09 at 09:46, John Hasler wrote: > > > Étienne writes: > > > >> ...profanity... > > > > Profanity is a matter of context. As used in this discussion "shit" > > is just a synonym for "manure". > > To be pedantic, "shit" isn't profanity in the first place; it's > vulgarity. > > Profanity deals with matters religious. > > Obscenity deals with matters sexual. > > Vulgarity deals with matters involving other bodily functions, i.e., > primarily matters scatological. > > I think I may vaguely recall having once identified an umbrella term > which covers all three (beyond just "foul language" or similar), but > just offhand I can't think what it might have been. "bad manners" or "inconsiderate behaviour" could jog your memory. As a user on -devel said today: More verbose: I used the f* word before and i will continue to do so. "Put that in your pipe and smoke it" is an interpretation of this pre-emptive sally. (Apologies for the reference to a noxious, anti-social and harmful habit. :) ). -- Brian.
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| From | Curt <curty@free.fr> |
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| Date | 2019-08-08 22:20 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Helpful attitude (was: Server hardware advice.) |
| Message-ID | <ysX3b-1qe-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #212442 |
On 2019-08-08, Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> wrote: >> >> I think you are missing the point: When someone asks a question on this >> list, then that someone gets to decide what the question is. > > Sure. But they also bear the burden of communicating precisely > what it is that they are asking for, and accepting that some > responses will offer advice rather than answers. Some of that > advice is even valuable! > The questioner gets to decide what the question is, and the answerer gets to decide what the answer is. The former taken to facetious extremes is epitomized by you-know-who, and the outer limit of the latter is occupied by the old-timer who advises a person wanting to get printing working again in kmail (for example) to just use Mutt. -- “We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars.” ― Oscar Wilde, Lady Windermere's Fan
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| From | Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> |
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| Date | 2019-08-09 16:10 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Helpful attitude |
| Message-ID | <ytdKG-3xs-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #212464 |
On 08/08/2019 03:12 PM, Curt wrote:
> On 2019-08-08, Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> I think you are missing the point: When someone asks a question on this
>>> list, then that someone gets to decide what the question is.
To which Curt replied:
>
> The questioner gets to decide what the question is, and the
> answerer gets to decide what the answer is.
>
The questioner then gets to make two other distinctions:
a. is the answer responsive?
[e.g. when asking about "Wireless home LAN" I was told to
use Ethernet]
b. is it feasible for the questioner to actually implement?
[e.g. I had rejected Ethernet {after purchasing a switch}
when I realized physical constraints prevented running
cables. *THAT* specifically prompted the wireless topic.]
Dan Ritter also said:
>>
>> Sure. But they also bear the burden of communicating precisely
>> what it is that they are asking for, and accepting that some
>> responses will offer advice rather than answers. Some of that
>> advice is even valuable!
True! Even when sub-threads have drifted parsecs OFF TOPIC ;/
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| From | ghe <ghe@slsware.net> |
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| Date | 2019-08-09 08:20 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Helpful attitude (was: Server hardware advice.) |
| Message-ID | <yt6pP-7lT-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #212419 |
On 8/8/19 4:39 AM, Kenneth Parker wrote: > I also hear stories about people, using Raspberry Pi Systems as Servers. At least a 3+, on a T1, with a good UPS, well backed up, and with clones of hardware and software near at hand. And running Debian. Under those conditions, they do just fine. -- Glenn English
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| From | Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> |
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| Date | 2019-08-09 09:20 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Helpful attitude (was: Server hardware advice.) |
| Message-ID | <yt7lT-7VV-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #212486 |
On Thursday 08 August 2019 18:01:01 ghe wrote: > On 8/8/19 4:39 AM, Kenneth Parker wrote: > > I also hear stories about people, using Raspberry Pi Systems as > > Servers. > > At least a 3+, on a T1, with a good UPS, well backed up, and with > clones of hardware and software near at hand. And running Debian. > > Under those conditions, they do just fine. So does a 3+, running realtime stretch. Using a nearly 50 mhz spi interface, its running 1400 lbs worth of 70 yo Sheldon lathe that's been rebuilt with ball screws for micron precision, running the lathe quite well but with sluggish video. Even that should be fixed in the next month by switching to debian-arm buster, or a new raspian buster. The biggest lag is me, I need to go get my ticker rebuilt. Cheers, Gene Heskett -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
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