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| Started by | Steven Mainor <steve@degga.net> |
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| First post | 2019-08-07 07:40 +0200 |
| Last post | 2019-08-09 12:20 +0200 |
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Server hardware advice. Steven Mainor <steve@degga.net> - 2019-08-07 07:40 +0200
Re: Server hardware advice. Richard Hector <richard@walnut.gen.nz> - 2019-08-07 08:00 +0200
Re: Server hardware advice. Steven Mainor <steve@degga.net> - 2019-08-07 08:10 +0200
Re: Server hardware advice. Nektarios Katakis <nektarios@mail.nektarioskatakis.xyz> - 2019-08-07 12:20 +0200
Re: Server hardware advice. mick crane <mick.crane@gmail.com> - 2019-08-07 14:10 +0200
Re: Server hardware advice. deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2019-08-07 17:00 +0200
Re: Server hardware advice. Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2019-08-07 17:10 +0200
Re: Server hardware advice. deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2019-08-07 17:20 +0200
Re: Server hardware advice. Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2019-08-07 17:40 +0200
Re: Server hardware advice. ghe <ghe@slsware.net> - 2019-08-07 17:50 +0200
Re: Server hardware advice. Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2019-08-08 00:20 +0200
Re: Server hardware advice. Steven Mainor <steve@degga.net> - 2019-08-07 18:50 +0200
Re: Server hardware advice. deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2019-08-08 07:50 +0200
Helpful attitude (was: Server hardware advice.) Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2019-08-08 11:00 +0200
Re: Helpful attitude (was: Server hardware advice.) Kenneth Parker <sea7kenp@gmail.com> - 2019-08-08 12:50 +0200
Re: Helpful attitude (was: Server hardware advice.) Jonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk> - 2019-08-08 14:10 +0200
Re: Helpful attitude (was: Server hardware advice.) Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2019-08-08 16:20 +0200
Re: Helpful attitude (was: Server hardware advice.) Jonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk> - 2019-08-08 17:00 +0200
Re: Helpful attitude (was: Server hardware advice.) deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2019-08-08 17:20 +0200
Re: Helpful attitude (was: Server hardware advice.) Jonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk> - 2019-08-08 18:00 +0200
Re: Helpful attitude (was: Server hardware advice.) Judah Richardson <judahrichardson@gmail.com> - 2019-08-08 21:50 +0200
Re: Helpful attitude (was: Server hardware advice.) deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2019-08-09 00:50 +0200
[OT] Helpful attitude (was: Server hardware advice.) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2019-08-09 10:00 +0200
Re: [OT] Helpful attitude (was: Server hardware advice.) Étienne Mollier <etienne.mollier@mailoo.org> - 2019-08-09 11:20 +0200
Re: [OT] Helpful attitude (was: Server hardware advice.) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2019-08-09 11:50 +0200
Re: [OT] Helpful attitude (was: Server hardware advice.) Étienne Mollier <etienne.mollier@mailoo.org> - 2019-08-09 12:30 +0200
Re: [OT] Helpful attitude (was: Server hardware advice.) tomas@tuxteam.de - 2019-08-09 14:40 +0200
Re: [OT] Helpful attitude (was: Server hardware advice.) Étienne Mollier <etienne.mollier@mailoo.org> - 2019-08-09 15:50 +0200
Re: [OT] Helpful attitude John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2019-08-09 15:50 +0200
Re: [OT] Helpful attitude The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> - 2019-08-09 16:00 +0200
Re: [OT] Helpful attitude Larry Martell <larry.martell@gmail.com> - 2019-08-09 16:10 +0200
Re: [OT] Helpful attitude Étienne Mollier <etienne.mollier@mailoo.org> - 2019-08-09 16:10 +0200
Re: [OT] Helpful attitude John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2019-08-09 17:30 +0200
Re: [OT] Helpful attitude Étienne Mollier <etienne.mollier@mailoo.org> - 2019-08-09 19:00 +0200
Re: [OT] Helpful attitude deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2019-08-09 18:30 +0200
Re: [OT] Helpful attitude Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2019-08-09 20:50 +0200
Re: Helpful attitude (was: Server hardware advice.) Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2019-08-08 22:20 +0200
Re: Helpful attitude Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2019-08-09 16:10 +0200
Re: Helpful attitude (was: Server hardware advice.) ghe <ghe@slsware.net> - 2019-08-09 08:20 +0200
Re: Helpful attitude (was: Server hardware advice.) Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-08-09 09:20 +0200
Re: Helpful attitude (was: Server hardware advice.) "Bob Crochelt" <rfc56@fastmail.com> - 2019-08-09 14:00 +0200
Re: Helpful attitude (was: Server hardware advice.) Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-08-09 16:20 +0200
Re: Helpful attitude (was: Server hardware advice.) "Bob Crochelt" <rfc56@fastmail.com> - 2019-08-10 00:00 +0200
Re: Helpful attitude (was: Server hardware advice.) rhkramer@gmail.com - 2019-08-08 14:10 +0200
Re: Server hardware advice. Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2019-08-07 09:00 +0200
Re: Server hardware advice. john doe <johndoe65534@mail.com> - 2019-08-07 09:40 +0200
Re: Server hardware advice. Jonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk> - 2019-08-07 10:50 +0200
Re: Server hardware advice. Jonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk> - 2019-08-07 10:30 +0200
Re: Server hardware advice. Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2019-08-07 11:00 +0200
Re: Server hardware advice. Jonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk> - 2019-08-07 11:10 +0200
Re: Server hardware advice. Steven Mainor <steve@degga.net> - 2019-08-07 12:10 +0200
Re: Server hardware advice. Jonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk> - 2019-08-07 12:50 +0200
Re: Server hardware advice. jochen-2019-q2@ozark.de - 2019-08-07 22:40 +0200
Re: Server hardware advice. Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2019-08-08 09:30 +0200
Re: Server hardware advice. John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2019-08-09 05:20 +0200
Re: Server hardware advice. Steven Mainor <steve@degga.net> - 2019-08-09 08:00 +0200
Re: Server hardware advice. John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2019-08-09 15:40 +0200
Re: Server hardware advice. deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2019-08-09 18:20 +0200
Re: Server hardware advice. Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2019-08-09 19:00 +0200
Re: Server hardware advice. Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2019-08-09 19:20 +0200
Re: Server hardware advice. Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2019-08-09 20:30 +0200
OT "x times cheaper", was: Re: Server hardware advice. Richard Hector <richard@walnut.gen.nz> - 2019-08-10 10:00 +0200
Re: OT "x times cheaper", was: Re: Server hardware advice. deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2019-08-10 11:20 +0200
Re: OT "x times cheaper", was: Re: Server hardware advice. Richard Hector <richard@walnut.gen.nz> - 2019-08-10 11:30 +0200
Re: OT "x times cheaper", was: Re: Server hardware advice. David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2019-08-10 17:10 +0200
Re: OT "x times cheaper", was: Re: Server hardware advice. Richard Hector <richard@walnut.gen.nz> - 2019-08-11 00:50 +0200
Re: OT "x times cheaper", was: Re: Server hardware advice. mick crane <mick.crane@gmail.com> - 2019-08-11 09:50 +0200
Re: OT "x times cheaper", was: Re: Server hardware advice. Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2019-08-11 12:00 +0200
Re: Server hardware advice. John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2019-08-09 19:50 +0200
Re: Server hardware advice. Steven Mainor <steve@degga.net> - 2019-08-10 04:00 +0200
Re: Server hardware advice. Steven Mainor <steve@degga.net> - 2019-08-07 12:00 +0200
Re: Server hardware advice. Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2019-08-07 13:00 +0200
Re: Server hardware advice. David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2019-08-08 09:10 +0200
Re: Server hardware advice. John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2019-08-08 15:20 +0200
Re: Server hardware advice. Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2019-08-08 15:50 +0200
Re: Server hardware advice. Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2019-08-08 16:30 +0200
Re: Server hardware advice. Jonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk> - 2019-08-08 17:00 +0200
Re: Server hardware advice. Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2019-08-08 17:30 +0200
Re: Server hardware advice. Jonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk> - 2019-08-08 18:20 +0200
Re: Server hardware advice. Steven Mainor <steve@degga.net> - 2019-08-08 22:50 +0200
Re: Server hardware advice. Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2019-08-08 23:10 +0200
Re: Server hardware advice. Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2019-08-08 23:20 +0200
Re: Server hardware advice. David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2019-08-09 00:10 +0200
Re: Server hardware advice. Igor Cicimov <icicimov@gmail.com> - 2019-08-09 12:20 +0200
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| From | "Bob Crochelt" <rfc56@fastmail.com> |
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| Date | 2019-08-09 14:00 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Helpful attitude (was: Server hardware advice.) |
| Message-ID | <ytbIR-23Y-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #212487 |
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On Fri, Aug 9, 2019, at 03:15, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Thursday 08 August 2019 18:01:01 ghe wrote: > > > On 8/8/19 4:39 AM, Kenneth Parker wrote: > > > I also hear stories about people, using Raspberry Pi Systems as > > > Servers. > > > > At least a 3+, on a T1, with a good UPS, well backed up, and with > > clones of hardware and software near at hand. And running Debian. > > > > Under those conditions, they do just fine. > > So does a 3+, running realtime stretch. Using a nearly 50 mhz spi > interface, its running 1400 lbs worth of 70 yo Sheldon lathe that's been > rebuilt with ball screws for micron precision, running the lathe quite > well but with sluggish video. Even that should be fixed in the next > month by switching to debian-arm buster, or a new raspian buster. The > biggest lag is me, I need to go get my ticker rebuilt. > > Cheers, Gene Heskett > -- > "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: > soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." > -Ed Howdershelt (Author) > If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. > - Louis D. Brandeis > Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene> > > Gene, I’m scheduled for some heart rewiring myself. Good luck to the both of us! Bob Crochelt
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| From | Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> |
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| Date | 2019-08-09 16:20 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Helpful attitude (was: Server hardware advice.) |
| Message-ID | <ytdUl-3Bl-9@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #212493 |
On Friday 09 August 2019 07:59:07 Bob Crochelt wrote: > Gene, > I’m scheduled for some heart rewiring myself. Good luck to the both of > us! Bob Crochelt My heart guy is out of the country till around Sept 1. So I'm takeing an extra half a 7.5gr warfarin pill a day to ward off another clot/blockage. I've been taking the 7.5 since I survived a pulmonary embolism about 5 years back but recent tests earlier this week had the clot time below 2 and thats not good, needs more rat poison. If I get to feeling bad I'll yell for a ride to Mon General in Morgantown about 60 miles north who has several heart guys on staff. So all I'm doing is the dishes and cooking for the two of us. Shop work is on hold. I'll have to get the next door neighbor to do that while I'm gone in that event as the missus isn't ambulatory any more. Good neighbors, we share wedding anniversaries, 30 for us on Dec 2nd, 41 for them. Pulmonary embolisms aren't fun, typical survival rate is less than 2%. Sorta funny, when I was in Mon Gen before, thats a teaching hospital, and the doc in charge of me that time always had an entourage of interns along showing them that surviveing a P-E was possible. Made me feel like a pet purple hamster or something. :) Putting in heparin by the gallon, I was up to make water at about 20 minute intervals 24/7. Very poor sleep, and the room was too cold but I jiggered the stat to fix that. One of the nurses started to fix it and I flat told her if she was going to set it back down she could find me blankets big enough and warm enough. What they had weren't much bigger than a cloth diaper. 8 days. First time ever in a hospital. I lost nearly 20 lbs by the time I was home for 3 or 4 days & had a chance to get rid of it. Legs blown up like phone poles. I had a pacemaker installed back in January, pulse was in the low 30's when I walked in the ER door & said I thought I needed one, getting a bit woozy in between heartbeats. They didn't argue with me a bit. I was a "live one with an AARP plan F policy". ;-) Good luck with yours too Bob. Cheers, Gene Heskett -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
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| From | "Bob Crochelt" <rfc56@fastmail.com> |
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| Date | 2019-08-10 00:00 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Helpful attitude (was: Server hardware advice.) |
| Message-ID | <ytl5w-7Xp-17@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #212507 |
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On Fri, Aug 9, 2019, at 10:14, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Friday 09 August 2019 07:59:07 Bob Crochelt wrote: > > > Gene, > > I’m scheduled for some heart rewiring myself. Good luck to the both of > > us! Bob Crochelt > > My heart guy is out of the country till around Sept 1. So I'm takeing an > extra half a 7.5gr warfarin pill a day to ward off another > clot/blockage. I've been taking the 7.5 since I survived a pulmonary > embolism about 5 years back but recent tests earlier this week had the > clot time below 2 and thats not good, needs more rat poison. If I get to > feeling bad I'll yell for a ride to Mon General in Morgantown about 60 > miles north who has several heart guys on staff. So all I'm doing is > the dishes and cooking for the two of us. Shop work is on hold. > > I'll have to get the next door neighbor to do that while I'm gone in that > event as the missus isn't ambulatory any more. Good neighbors, we share > wedding anniversaries, 30 for us on Dec 2nd, 41 for them. > > Pulmonary embolisms aren't fun, typical survival rate is less than 2%. > Sorta funny, when I was in Mon Gen before, thats a teaching hospital, > and the doc in charge of me that time always had an entourage of interns > along showing them that surviveing a P-E was possible. Made me feel like > a pet purple hamster or something. :) > > Putting in heparin by the gallon, I was up to make water at about 20 > minute intervals 24/7. Very poor sleep, and the room was too cold but I > jiggered the stat to fix that. One of the nurses started to fix it and I > flat told her if she was going to set it back down she could find me > blankets big enough and warm enough. What they had weren't much bigger > than a cloth diaper. 8 days. First time ever in a hospital. > > I lost nearly 20 lbs by the time I was home for 3 or 4 days & had a > chance to get rid of it. Legs blown up like phone poles. > > I had a pacemaker installed back in January, pulse was in the low 30's > when I walked in the ER door & said I thought I needed one, getting a > bit woozy in between heartbeats. They didn't argue with me a bit. I was > a "live one with an AARP plan F policy". ;-) > > Good luck with yours too Bob. > > Cheers, Gene Heskett > -- > "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: > soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." > -Ed Howdershelt (Author) > If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. > - Louis D. Brandeis > Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene> > Thanks Gene. I’m “just” having an afib ablation. I used to live in Elkins, Mon General is great. My resting heart rate when not in afib is 49, so I may be joining you in the pacemaker club some day. Best wishes
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| From | rhkramer@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2019-08-08 14:10 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Helpful attitude (was: Server hardware advice.) |
| Message-ID | <ysPoZ-545-15@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #212412 |
On Thursday, August 08, 2019 04:50:31 AM Nicolas George wrote:
> deloptes (12019-08-08):
> > Well strictly speaking two different things are referred as server:
> <snip>
>
> I have observed that contributors on this mailing-list have a tendency
> to fall in two categories:
>
> - those who try to understand what the original poster says in order to
> reply in the most helpful manner ;
>
> - those who try to understand what the original poster says in order to
> find imprecisions and then forcefully educate them.
Interesting, I think there are a few more categories (and this is incomplete
in a number of ways):
* those that try to educate themselves by reading, and sometimes asking
questions to clarify their own understanding
* those that lose sight of the OPs question / problem and diverge from that
topic, especially without making an appropriate change to the Subject line.
* hmm, there are some others, I have to think about how to phrase them --
sometimes (among others) threads drag on for a long time (i.e., lots of posts)
for various reasons, among them:
* <well, I have to think about it (did I say that) -- I may try to add
more categories later ;-)
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| From | Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> |
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| Date | 2019-08-07 09:00 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <yso5r-4zQ-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #212344 |
On Wed, Aug 07, 2019 at 01:29:21AM -0400, Steven Mainor wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm looking for advice on how to build a home server with a primary focus on > security. I plan to run nextcloud and a mail server that will serve 3 to 5 > people at most. > > My requirements are: > > A server setup that can be run with completely open source software and > doesn't require any binaries to boot. I don't trust anything closed source for > this particular project. > > A gigabit ethernet port. > > A USB3.0 port or SATA connector to attach storage to. > > Enough processor power and ram to run nextcloud and the mail server from an > encrypted hard drive (LUKS) efficiently with moderate throughput saving and > reading files from nextcloud. These fit all your requirements (i.e. it'll run stock buster kernel without any additional firmware): Helios4 - [1]. 4 SATA ports controller attached to PCI-E. GnuBee - [2]. 6 SATA ports attached to PCI-E. Odroid HC2 - [3]. Single SATA port, attached to USB bus. > So far I have been looking at single board computers like the ones listed > here: https://wiki.debian.org/CheapServerBoxHardware#OSHW That list is outdated somewhat. But it gave me good ideas back in the day. Reco [1] https://kobol.io/ [2] http://gnubee.org/ [3] https://www.hardkernel.com/shop/odroid-hc2-home-cloud-two/
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| From | john doe <johndoe65534@mail.com> |
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| Date | 2019-08-07 09:40 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <ysoIa-52u-7@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #212350 |
On 8/7/2019 8:53 AM, Reco wrote: > On Wed, Aug 07, 2019 at 01:29:21AM -0400, Steven Mainor wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I'm looking for advice on how to build a home server with a primary focus on >> security. I plan to run nextcloud and a mail server that will serve 3 to 5 >> people at most. >> >> My requirements are: >> >> A server setup that can be run with completely open source software and >> doesn't require any binaries to boot. I don't trust anything closed source for >> this particular project. >> >> A gigabit ethernet port. >> >> A USB3.0 port or SATA connector to attach storage to. >> >> Enough processor power and ram to run nextcloud and the mail server from an >> encrypted hard drive (LUKS) efficiently with moderate throughput saving and >> reading files from nextcloud. > > These fit all your requirements (i.e. it'll run stock buster kernel > without any additional firmware): > > Helios4 - [1]. 4 SATA ports controller attached to PCI-E. > GnuBee - [2]. 6 SATA ports attached to PCI-E. > Odroid HC2 - [3]. Single SATA port, attached to USB bus. > > >> So far I have been looking at single board computers like the ones listed >> here: https://wiki.debian.org/CheapServerBoxHardware#OSHW > > That list is outdated somewhat. But it gave me good ideas back in the > day. > > Reco > > [1] https://kobol.io/ > [2] http://gnubee.org/ > [3] https://www.hardkernel.com/shop/odroid-hc2-home-cloud-two/ > I don't have a room dedicated to my devices, is there any solution that is fan less? Url (3) looks to be the case. -- John Doe
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| From | Jonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk> |
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| Date | 2019-08-07 10:50 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <yspNU-5Gi-11@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #212352 |
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Quoting john doe (2019-08-07 09:33:35) > On 8/7/2019 8:53 AM, Reco wrote: > > On Wed, Aug 07, 2019 at 01:29:21AM -0400, Steven Mainor wrote: > >> I'm looking for advice on how to build a home server with a primary > >> focus on security. I plan to run nextcloud and a mail server that > >> will serve 3 to 5 people at most. > >> > >> My requirements are: > >> > >> A server setup that can be run with completely open source software > >> and doesn't require any binaries to boot. I don't trust anything > >> closed source for this particular project. > >> > >> A gigabit ethernet port. > >> > >> A USB3.0 port or SATA connector to attach storage to. > >> > >> Enough processor power and ram to run nextcloud and the mail server > >> from an encrypted hard drive (LUKS) efficiently with moderate > >> throughput saving and reading files from nextcloud. > > > > These fit all your requirements (i.e. it'll run stock buster kernel > > without any additional firmware): > > > > Helios4 - [1]. 4 SATA ports controller attached to PCI-E. > > GnuBee - [2]. 6 SATA ports attached to PCI-E. > > Odroid HC2 - [3]. Single SATA port, attached to USB bus. > > > > > >> So far I have been looking at single board computers like the ones > >> listed here: https://wiki.debian.org/CheapServerBoxHardware#OSHW > > > > That list is outdated somewhat. But it gave me good ideas back in > > the day. > > > > Reco > > > > [1] https://kobol.io/ > > [2] http://gnubee.org/ > > [3] https://www.hardkernel.com/shop/odroid-hc2-home-cloud-two/ > > > > I don't have a room dedicated to my devices, is there any solution > that is fan less? > Url (3) looks to be the case. The ODroid board ships with huge passive cooling which helps if the room is adequately cool - and otherwise will "throttle" - i.e. run at lower speeds to avoid meltdown. Heat is indeed a reason to consider other boards than above. My recommendation is to buy the industrial-grade A64-OLinuXino-2Ge8G-IND https://www.olimex.com/Products/OLinuXino/A64/A64-OLinuXino/open-source-hardware - Jonas -- * Jonas Smedegaard - idealist & Internet-arkitekt * Tlf.: +45 40843136 Website: http://dr.jones.dk/ [x] quote me freely [ ] ask before reusing [ ] keep private
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| From | Jonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk> |
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| Date | 2019-08-07 10:30 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <yspuy-5yZ-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #212350 |
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Quoting Reco (2019-08-07 08:53:52) > On Wed, Aug 07, 2019 at 01:29:21AM -0400, Steven Mainor wrote: > > I'm looking for advice on how to build a home server with a primary > > focus on security. I plan to run nextcloud and a mail server that > > will serve 3 to 5 people at most. > > > > My requirements are: > > > > A server setup that can be run with completely open source software > > and doesn't require any binaries to boot. I don't trust anything > > closed source for this particular project. > > > > A gigabit ethernet port. > > > > A USB3.0 port or SATA connector to attach storage to. > > > > Enough processor power and ram to run nextcloud and the mail server > > from an encrypted hard drive (LUKS) efficiently with moderate > > throughput saving and reading files from nextcloud. > > These fit all your requirements (i.e. it'll run stock buster kernel > without any additional firmware): > > Helios4 - [1]. 4 SATA ports controller attached to PCI-E. > GnuBee - [2]. 6 SATA ports attached to PCI-E. > Odroid HC2 - [3]. Single SATA port, attached to USB bus. No powerful computers exist today completely without non-free parts: Since you point to Open Source Hardware below, beware that none of above devices are OSHWA certified: https://certification.oshwa.org/list.html - if however your freedom concerns are limited to _software_ parts then it is easier: Look for boards supported in mainline Linux and u-boot, and supported in Debian! Disregarding OSHW I agree that above options are good highlights. Additionally I suggest Olimex A64-Olinuxino and ESPRESSObin, both (unlike above options) known to be mainlined and work with Debian Buster. Personally, for hosting mail + Nextcloud for a small team I would tolerate USB2.0 and use the OSHWA certified board Olimex A64-Olinuxino. Only for heavy professional demands (e.g. an advertising agency pushing big files across a LAN all the time) I would use a Helios4. > > So far I have been looking at single board computers like the ones > > listed here: https://wiki.debian.org/CheapServerBoxHardware#OSHW Happy to see that list being of use beyond the FreedomBox project and my own competing https://solidbox.org/ :-) Please note that above list is limited to more consumer-oriented devices than your spec needs - e.g. must be sold with a proper case and be cheaper than you tolerate. > That list is outdated somewhat. But it gave me good ideas back in the > day. Care to elaborate? - Jonas -- * Jonas Smedegaard - idealist & Internet-arkitekt * Tlf.: +45 40843136 Website: http://dr.jones.dk/ [x] quote me freely [ ] ask before reusing [ ] keep private
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| From | Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> |
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| Date | 2019-08-07 11:00 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <yspXz-5Jy-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #212353 |
On Wed, Aug 07, 2019 at 10:21:25AM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > > That list is outdated somewhat. But it gave me good ideas back in the > > day. > > Care to elaborate? Specifically it gave me an idea to buy that Linksys WRT1200. Works for me since stretch, the only disadvantages are the need to build an out-of-tree kernel module (mwlwifi) for WiFi and feed it non-free firmware. But I needed a router, the thing fit the need. Reco
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| From | Jonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk> |
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| Date | 2019-08-07 11:10 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <ysq7f-62o-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #212355 |
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Quoting Reco (2019-08-07 10:53:35) > On Wed, Aug 07, 2019 at 10:21:25AM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > > > That list is outdated somewhat. But it gave me good ideas back in > > > the day. > > > > Care to elaborate? > > Specifically it gave me an idea to buy that Linksys WRT1200. > Works for me since stretch, the only disadvantages are the need to > build an out-of-tree kernel module (mwlwifi) for WiFi and feed it > non-free firmware. > But I needed a router, the thing fit the need. So when you wrote "That list is outdated somewhat" you really meant "That list didn't fit my needs and was inspirational even then." Great to hear that! - Jonas -- * Jonas Smedegaard - idealist & Internet-arkitekt * Tlf.: +45 40843136 Website: http://dr.jones.dk/ [x] quote me freely [ ] ask before reusing [ ] keep private
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| From | Steven Mainor <steve@degga.net> |
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| Date | 2019-08-07 12:10 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <ysr3j-6D4-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #212353 |
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Perhaps you are right about usb 2.0. And the Olimex A64-OLinuXino does seem like a solid option otherwise. I wasn't able to verify which usb the Olimex A64-OLinuXino had. It didn't specifically say on the specs page. And the github link for the schematic seems to be broken. https://github.com/OLIMEX/OLINUXINO/blob/master/HARDWARE/A64-OLinuXino/A64-OlinuXino_Rev_C.pdf -- Steven Mainor On August 7, 2019 4:21:25 AM EDT, Jonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk> wrote: >Quoting Reco (2019-08-07 08:53:52) >> On Wed, Aug 07, 2019 at 01:29:21AM -0400, Steven Mainor wrote: >> > I'm looking for advice on how to build a home server with a primary > >> > focus on security. I plan to run nextcloud and a mail server that >> > will serve 3 to 5 people at most. >> > >> > My requirements are: >> > >> > A server setup that can be run with completely open source software > >> > and doesn't require any binaries to boot. I don't trust anything >> > closed source for this particular project. >> > >> > A gigabit ethernet port. >> > >> > A USB3.0 port or SATA connector to attach storage to. >> > >> > Enough processor power and ram to run nextcloud and the mail server > >> > from an encrypted hard drive (LUKS) efficiently with moderate >> > throughput saving and reading files from nextcloud. >> >> These fit all your requirements (i.e. it'll run stock buster kernel >> without any additional firmware): >> >> Helios4 - [1]. 4 SATA ports controller attached to PCI-E. >> GnuBee - [2]. 6 SATA ports attached to PCI-E. >> Odroid HC2 - [3]. Single SATA port, attached to USB bus. > >No powerful computers exist today completely without non-free parts: >Since you point to Open Source Hardware below, beware that none of >above >devices are OSHWA certified: https://certification.oshwa.org/list.html >- >if however your freedom concerns are limited to _software_ parts then >it >is easier: Look for boards supported in mainline Linux and u-boot, and >supported in Debian! > >Disregarding OSHW I agree that above options are good highlights. >Additionally I suggest Olimex A64-Olinuxino and ESPRESSObin, both >(unlike above options) known to be mainlined and work with Debian >Buster. > >Personally, for hosting mail + Nextcloud for a small team I would >tolerate USB2.0 and use the OSHWA certified board Olimex A64-Olinuxino. > >Only for heavy professional demands (e.g. an advertising agency pushing > >big files across a LAN all the time) I would use a Helios4. > > >> > So far I have been looking at single board computers like the ones >> > listed here: https://wiki.debian.org/CheapServerBoxHardware#OSHW > >Happy to see that list being of use beyond the FreedomBox project and >my >own competing https://solidbox.org/ :-) > >Please note that above list is limited to more consumer-oriented >devices >than your spec needs - e.g. must be sold with a proper case and be >cheaper than you tolerate. > > >> That list is outdated somewhat. But it gave me good ideas back in the > >> day. > >Care to elaborate? > > > - Jonas > >-- > * Jonas Smedegaard - idealist & Internet-arkitekt > * Tlf.: +45 40843136 Website: http://dr.jones.dk/ > > [x] quote me freely [ ] ask before reusing [ ] keep private
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| From | Jonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk> |
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| Date | 2019-08-07 12:50 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <ysrG2-6RB-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #212362 |
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Quoting Steven Mainor (2019-08-07 12:04:35) > Perhaps you are right about usb 2.0. And the Olimex A64-OLinuXino does > seem like a solid option otherwise. > > I wasn't able to verify which usb the Olimex A64-OLinuXino had. It > didn't specifically say on the specs page. And the github link for the > schematic seems to be broken. > > https://github.com/OLIMEX/OLINUXINO/blob/master/HARDWARE/A64-OLinuXino/A64-OlinuXino_Rev_C.pdf They reorganized and updated that git. Try step back to https://github.com/OLIMEX/OLINUXINO/tree/master/HARDWARE/A64-OLinuXino See also https://linux-sunxi.org/Olimex_A64-OLinuXino - Jonas -- * Jonas Smedegaard - idealist & Internet-arkitekt * Tlf.: +45 40843136 Website: http://dr.jones.dk/ [x] quote me freely [ ] ask before reusing [ ] keep private
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| From | jochen-2019-q2@ozark.de |
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| Date | 2019-08-07 22:40 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <ysASZ-4aN-7@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #212353 |
Am 07.08.2019 um 10:21 schrieb Jonas Smedegaard: > Quoting Reco (2019-08-07 08:53:52) >> On Wed, Aug 07, 2019 at 01:29:21AM -0400, Steven Mainor wrote: >>> I'm looking for advice on how to build a home server with a primary >>> focus on security. I plan to run nextcloud and a mail server that >>> will serve 3 to 5 people at most. >>> >>> My requirements are: >>> >>> A server setup that can be run with completely open source software >>> and doesn't require any binaries to boot. I don't trust anything >>> closed source for this particular project. >>> >>> A gigabit ethernet port. >>> >>> A USB3.0 port or SATA connector to attach storage to. >>> >>> Enough processor power and ram to run nextcloud and the mail server >>> from an encrypted hard drive (LUKS) efficiently with moderate >>> throughput saving and reading files from nextcloud. >> >> These fit all your requirements (i.e. it'll run stock buster kernel >> without any additional firmware): >> >> Helios4 - [1]. 4 SATA ports controller attached to PCI-E. >> GnuBee - [2]. 6 SATA ports attached to PCI-E. >> Odroid HC2 - [3]. Single SATA port, attached to USB bus. > > No powerful computers exist today completely without non-free parts: > Since you point to Open Source Hardware below, beware that none of above > devices are OSHWA certified: https://certification.oshwa.org/list.html - > if however your freedom concerns are limited to _software_ parts then it > is easier: Look for boards supported in mainline Linux and u-boot, and > supported in Debian! > > Disregarding OSHW I agree that above options are good highlights. > Additionally I suggest Olimex A64-Olinuxino and ESPRESSObin, both > (unlike above options) known to be mainlined and work with Debian > Buster. > > Personally, for hosting mail + Nextcloud for a small team I would > tolerate USB2.0 and use the OSHWA certified board Olimex A64-Olinuxino. > > Only for heavy professional demands (e.g. an advertising agency pushing > big files across a LAN all the time) I would use a Helios4. > > >>> So far I have been looking at single board computers like the ones >>> listed here: https://wiki.debian.org/CheapServerBoxHardware#OSHW > > Happy to see that list being of use beyond the FreedomBox project and my > own competing https://solidbox.org/ :-) > > Please note that above list is limited to more consumer-oriented devices > than your spec needs - e.g. must be sold with a proper case and be > cheaper than you tolerate. > > >> That list is outdated somewhat. But it gave me good ideas back in the >> day. I just got myself a Zotac CI329 Nano. The Ethernet drivers (Realtek r8169 module) seem to use some binary blob. It was a bit strange as the system asked me for them in the debian installer, but then worked without providing any files... If that is ok for the OP, this provides a powerful fanless system. It is very compact, has four cores and it didn't complain when it was very hot here, recently. I'm using it as a router, because the FritzBox! Routers are becoming useless for more ambitious users. It has 2x Gigabit Ethernet and Intel WiFi with a single antenna. I'm also having 2x Windows Server 2016 core running in VMs to play around with Active Directory. The CPU is Atom based and officially supports only 8G, but I bought a 16GB dual channel kit and it works without flaw. I did the same on my QNAP, which has an older generation Celeron without AES instructions. A €30 240GB Kingston SSD provides plenty of fast storage and all together this is a powerful, clean system using <10W. Jochen
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| From | Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2019-08-08 09:30 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <ysL22-2fZ-7@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #212353 |
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On Mi, 07 aug 19, 10:21:25, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > > Disregarding OSHW I agree that above options are good highlights. > Additionally I suggest Olimex A64-Olinuxino and ESPRESSObin, both > (unlike above options) known to be mainlined and work with Debian > Buster. The Rock64Pro (possibly with the SATA expansion card) or the MACHIATTObin could also be an option. Kind regards, Andrei -- http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser
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| From | John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> |
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| Date | 2019-08-09 05:20 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <yt3BE-5zj-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #212406 |
Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > Disregarding OSHW I agree that above options are good highlights. > Additionally I suggest Olimex A64-Olinuxino and ESPRESSObin, both > (unlike above options) known to be mainlined and work with Debian > Buster. The ESPRESSObin would fulfill my requirements, but does not appear to actually be available. -- John Hasler jhasler@newsguy.com Elmwood, WI USA
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| From | Steven Mainor <steve@degga.net> |
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| Date | 2019-08-09 08:00 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <yt66u-6Zl-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #212482 |
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It looks like there are some ESPRESSOBIN v7s on Amazon right now. -- Steven Mainor On August 8, 2019 11:16:44 PM EDT, John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> wrote: >Jonas Smedegaard wrote: >> Disregarding OSHW I agree that above options are good highlights. >> Additionally I suggest Olimex A64-Olinuxino and ESPRESSObin, both >> (unlike above options) known to be mainlined and work with Debian >> Buster. > >The ESPRESSObin would fulfill my requirements, but does not appear to >actually be available. >-- >John Hasler >jhasler@newsguy.com >Elmwood, WI USA
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| From | John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> |
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| Date | 2019-08-09 15:40 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <ytdhD-37t-11@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #212485 |
Steven Mainor writes: > It looks like there are some ESPRESSOBIN v7s on Amazon right now. Excellent. When I looked yesterday Amazon said "None available". I think I'll order one today. The ancient Dell I'm now using as a router/firewall is getting flaky. I've wanted to replace it some time but I want something ARM-based. This is the first suitable board I've seen that has dual ethernet. I'll stick it in a box along with the modem, the switch, and a power supply. -- John Hasler jhasler@newsguy.com Elmwood, WI USA
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| From | deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2019-08-09 18:20 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <ytfMt-4M3-7@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #212499 |
John Hasler wrote: > Steven Mainor writes: > > It looks like there are some ESPRESSOBIN v7s on Amazon right now. > > Excellent. When I looked yesterday Amazon said "None available". I > think I'll order one today. The ancient Dell I'm now using as a > router/firewall is getting flaky. I've wanted to replace it some time > but I want something ARM-based. This is the first suitable board I've > seen that has dual ethernet. I'll stick it in a box along with the > modem, the switch, and a power supply. This one was very appealing https://www.amazon.de/DMC-Taiwan-Industrial-Networking-Processor/dp/B07T3TWYLJ/ref=sr_1_11?__mk_de_DE=%C3%85M%C3%85%C5%BD%C3%95%C3%91&keywords=acrosser&qid=1561237800&s=gateway&sr=8-11 or this one https://eshop.aaeon.com/desktop-network-appliance-fws-2276.html I was recently looking in the same direction
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| From | Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> |
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| Date | 2019-08-09 19:00 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <ytgpc-503-7@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #212514 |
On Fri, Aug 09, 2019 at 06:16:21PM +0200, deloptes wrote: > John Hasler wrote: > > > Steven Mainor writes: > > > It looks like there are some ESPRESSOBIN v7s on Amazon right now. > > > > Excellent. When I looked yesterday Amazon said "None available". I > > think I'll order one today. The ancient Dell I'm now using as a > > router/firewall is getting flaky. I've wanted to replace it some time > > but I want something ARM-based. This is the first suitable board I've > > seen that has dual ethernet. I'll stick it in a box along with the > > modem, the switch, and a power supply. > > This one was very appealing > https://www.amazon.de/DMC-Taiwan-Industrial-Networking-Processor/dp/B07T3TWYLJ/ref=sr_1_11?__mk_de_DE=%C3%85M%C3%85%C5%BD%C3%95%C3%91&keywords=acrosser&qid=1561237800&s=gateway&sr=8-11 $430 for a router? Surely you're kidding. This one is five times cheaper *and* it can run Debian or openwrt: https://www.amazon.com/Linksys-Dual-Band-Wireless-Gigabit-WRT1200AC/dp/B00UVN20T0/ref=sr_1_2?keywords=linksys+wrt+1200&qid=1565369861&s=gateway&sr=8-2 Reco
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| From | Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2019-08-09 19:20 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <ytgIx-5mz-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #212520 |
On Fri, 9 Aug 2019 19:59:34 +0300 Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> wrote: > On Fri, Aug 09, 2019 at 06:16:21PM +0200, deloptes wrote: ... > > This one was very appealing > > https://www.amazon.de/DMC-Taiwan-Industrial-Networking-Processor/dp/B07T3TWYLJ/ref=sr_1_11?__mk_de_DE=%C3%85M%C3%85%C5%BD%C3%95%C3%91&keywords=acrosser&qid=1561237800&s=gateway&sr=8-11 > > $430 for a router? Surely you're kidding. > > This one is five times cheaper *and* it can run Debian or openwrt: > > https://www.amazon.com/Linksys-Dual-Band-Wireless-Gigabit-WRT1200AC/dp/B00UVN20T0/ref=sr_1_2?keywords=linksys+wrt+1200&qid=1565369861&s=gateway&sr=8-2 When you say five times cheaper, I gather you're talking about the prices for used units, in which case it's not really an apples-to-apples comparison. At least when I checked, the new units on Amazon start at $190. [But I run OpenWrt on a TP-Link AC-2600, which I purchased several years ago (used / refurbished) on eBay for about $50-$55, and are currently available there for as little as $73 (less if you take a unit missing antennas, etc. ...)] Celejar
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