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  odd passwd problem. Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-08-01 12:30 +0200
    Re: odd passwd problem. Cindy Sue Causey <butterflybytes@gmail.com> - 2019-08-01 14:10 +0200
      Re: odd passwd problem. Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-08-01 23:00 +0200
        Re: odd passwd problem. David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2019-08-03 15:50 +0200
          Re: odd passwd problem. Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-08-03 16:20 +0200
    Re: odd passwd problem. David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2019-08-01 15:50 +0200
      Re: odd passwd problem. Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-08-01 23:00 +0200
    Re: odd passwd problem. Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2019-08-01 16:30 +0200
      Re: odd passwd problem. Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-08-01 23:00 +0200
        Re: odd passwd problem. Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-08-03 04:50 +0200
          Re: odd passwd problem. Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2019-08-03 10:00 +0200
            Re: odd passwd problem. Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-08-03 11:30 +0200
              Re: odd passwd problem. Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2019-08-03 12:00 +0200
                Re: odd passwd problem. Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-08-03 12:30 +0200
                  Re: odd passwd problem. Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2019-08-03 13:00 +0200
                    Re: odd passwd problem. Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-08-03 15:50 +0200
              Re: odd passwd problem. Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2019-08-04 10:10 +0200
            Re: odd passwd problem. Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-08-03 12:20 +0200
          Re: odd passwd problem. David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2019-08-03 16:10 +0200
            Re: odd passwd problem. Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-08-03 16:40 +0200
              Re: odd passwd problem. David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2019-08-03 17:10 +0200
                Re: odd passwd problem. Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-08-03 17:40 +0200
                  Re: odd passwd problem. David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2019-08-03 18:00 +0200
                    Re: odd passwd problem. Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-08-03 18:40 +0200
                      Re: odd passwd problem. David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2019-08-03 20:50 +0200
                        Re: odd passwd problem. Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-08-03 22:40 +0200
              Re: odd passwd problem. <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2019-08-03 20:10 +0200
    Re: odd passwd problem. mick crane <mick.crane@gmail.com> - 2019-08-03 13:10 +0200
      Re: odd passwd problem. Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-08-03 16:00 +0200
        Re: odd passwd problem. Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2019-08-03 16:20 +0200
          Re: odd passwd problem. Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-08-03 16:50 +0200
            Re: odd passwd problem. Richard Hector <richard@walnut.gen.nz> - 2019-08-04 09:10 +0200
              Re: odd passwd problem. David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2019-08-04 17:50 +0200
                Re: odd passwd problem. Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-08-04 18:10 +0200
        Re: odd passwd problem. mick crane <mick.crane@gmail.com> - 2019-08-03 16:40 +0200
          Re: odd passwd problem. Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-08-03 17:40 +0200
            Re: odd passwd problem. mick crane <mick.crane@gmail.com> - 2019-08-03 17:50 +0200
              Re: odd passwd problem. Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-08-03 18:30 +0200
                Re: odd passwd problem. mick crane <mick.crane@gmail.com> - 2019-08-03 18:40 +0200

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#212045 — odd passwd problem.

Debian-arm netinstall on a pi3b;

No root pw set, I am housebroken to using sudo now.

netinstall didn't install x anything although I thought I was selecting 
xfce4, so my first action on the reboot was to 
"sudo apt install xfce4". reboot, works, have x and 4 workspaces.

Then "sudo apt install build-essential and buildbot, cups". reboot, 
worked once, login normal. Then I plugged in a 120GB ssd which had a 
bunch of src stuff on it I'll need later and powered up again. Can't 
login, passwd no good.  Dbl check, caps lock off, try again several 
times, passwd no good.

Come to the house and ssh -Y picnc. passwd good, I have 2 sessions 
running right now from konsoles on this machine. Back to the garage, 
passwd fails.

Suggested course of action? I do have access to it via ssh. And sudo -i 
works.

Thanks.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#212050

On 8/1/19, Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> wrote:
> Debian-arm netinstall on a pi3b;
>
> No root pw set, I am housebroken to using sudo now.
>
> netinstall didn't install x anything although I thought I was selecting
> xfce4, so my first action on the reboot was to
> "sudo apt install xfce4". reboot, works, have x and 4 workspaces.
>
> Then "sudo apt install build-essential and buildbot, cups". reboot,
> worked once, login normal. Then I plugged in a 120GB ssd which had a
> bunch of src stuff on it I'll need later and powered up again. Can't
> login, passwd no good.  Dbl check, caps lock off, try again several
> times, passwd no good.
>
> Come to the house and ssh -Y picnc. passwd good, I have 2 sessions
> running right now from konsoles on this machine. Back to the garage,
> passwd fails.
>
> Suggested course of action? I do have access to it via ssh. And sudo -i
> works.


Hi, Gene.. Are you logging in from a terminal/console interface or
graphical GUI?

If it's console... is there any chance your keyboard might be
sticking, even if for only an extra nanosecond too long?

My experience for many years has been that the first console is
especially a stinker about having a super fast keystroke repeat
setting. We can see it visually when typing in normal commands but
would have no idea it's occurring for passwords where there's no
visual cue as to what's occurring.

Not too long ago, I saw a User asking about the ability to add a
visual aid, e.g. those classic asterisks, to a password entry field
that currently just sat there blank. The ability to make that User
CHOICE would sure come in handy for at least that initial login
console, depending on one's accessibility needs. Persons with
disabilities related to mobility, dexterity would potentially benefit
the most.

Afterthought.. That option may currently exist. The above just
reflects that I haven't tripped over it yet. :)

Cindy :)
-- 
Cindy-Sue Causey
Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA

* runs with birdseed *

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#212118

On Thursday 01 August 2019 08:01:40 Cindy Sue Causey wrote:

> On 8/1/19, Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> wrote:
> > Debian-arm netinstall on a pi3b;
> >
> > No root pw set, I am housebroken to using sudo now.
> >
> > netinstall didn't install x anything although I thought I was
> > selecting xfce4, so my first action on the reboot was to
> > "sudo apt install xfce4". reboot, works, have x and 4 workspaces.
> >
> > Then "sudo apt install build-essential and buildbot, cups". reboot,
> > worked once, login normal. Then I plugged in a 120GB ssd which had a
> > bunch of src stuff on it I'll need later and powered up again. Can't
> > login, passwd no good.  Dbl check, caps lock off, try again several
> > times, passwd no good.
> >
> > Come to the house and ssh -Y picnc. passwd good, I have 2 sessions
> > running right now from konsoles on this machine. Back to the garage,
> > passwd fails.
> >
> > Suggested course of action? I do have access to it via ssh. And sudo
> > -i works.
>
> Hi, Gene.. Are you logging in from a terminal/console interface or
> graphical GUI?
>
> If it's console... is there any chance your keyboard might be
> sticking, even if for only an extra nanosecond too long?

I thought of that, and tried very quick pecks so keyboard repeat wouldn't 
have time to kick in, didn't  help. At the machines own keyboard it 
didn't help. Thats a lightdm login I believe, where from here its ssh.

I just tried resetting it to a trash but long word from here, login 
worked from here in house, but not at the machine, then changed it back 
from here in the house, works from here but not at the machines own 
keyboard and mouse.

I think I've found a bug! But what package do I blame it on?

This is the 5th net-install I've done that has upchucked for something at 
about the 6th or 7nth reboot as I'm building it up to replace a raspian 
stretch install with very slow video.

> My experience for many years has been that the first console is
> especially a stinker about having a super fast keystroke repeat
> setting. We can see it visually when typing in normal commands but
> would have no idea it's occurring for passwords where there's no
> visual cue as to what's occurring.
>
Back in jessie days, it did not set the keyboard repeat at boot, so the 
first thing was to call up that util and set the repeat down from around 
1000 to 15 or 20, then it worked fine until the next reboot, but I've 
seen nothing like that on stretch by raspian.

> Not too long ago, I saw a User asking about the ability to add a
> visual aid, e.g. those classic asterisks, to a password entry field
> that currently just sat there blank. The ability to make that User
> CHOICE would sure come in handy for at least that initial login
> console, depending on one's accessibility needs. Persons with
> disabilities related to mobility, dexterity would potentially benefit
> the most.

Absolutely.

> Afterthought.. That option may currently exist. The above just
> reflects that I haven't tripped over it yet. :)
>
Me either Cindy.  Sigh.

> Cindy :)


Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#212183

On Thu 01 Aug 2019 at 16:51:35 (-0400), Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Thursday 01 August 2019 08:01:40 Cindy Sue Causey wrote:
> > My experience for many years has been that the first console is
> > especially a stinker about having a super fast keystroke repeat
> > setting. We can see it visually when typing in normal commands but
> > would have no idea it's occurring for passwords where there's no
> > visual cue as to what's occurring.
> >
> Back in jessie days, it did not set the keyboard repeat at boot, so the 
> first thing was to call up that util and set the repeat down from around 
> 1000 to 15 or 20, then it worked fine until the next reboot, but I've 
> seen nothing like that on stretch by raspian.

Just put
@reboot       /sbin/kbdrate -r 8 -d 500 -s
into /root/crontab and then type
~# crontab crontab

> > Not too long ago, I saw a User asking about the ability to add a
> > visual aid, e.g. those classic asterisks, to a password entry field
> > that currently just sat there blank. The ability to make that User
> > CHOICE would sure come in handy for at least that initial login
> > console, depending on one's accessibility needs. Persons with
> > disabilities related to mobility, dexterity would potentially benefit
> > the most.
> 
> Absolutely.
> 
> > Afterthought.. That option may currently exist. The above just
> > reflects that I haven't tripped over it yet. :)
> >
> Me either Cindy.  Sigh.

Possibly myself, if you're thinking of:

https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2019/06/msg00585.html

But that was really about encryption passphrases rather than login passwords.

Cheers,
David.

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#212187

On Saturday 03 August 2019 09:45:49 David Wright wrote:

> On Thu 01 Aug 2019 at 16:51:35 (-0400), Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Thursday 01 August 2019 08:01:40 Cindy Sue Causey wrote:
> > > My experience for many years has been that the first console is
> > > especially a stinker about having a super fast keystroke repeat
> > > setting. We can see it visually when typing in normal commands but
> > > would have no idea it's occurring for passwords where there's no
> > > visual cue as to what's occurring.
> >
> > Back in jessie days, it did not set the keyboard repeat at boot, so
> > the first thing was to call up that util and set the repeat down
> > from around 1000 to 15 or 20, then it worked fine until the next
> > reboot, but I've seen nothing like that on stretch by raspian.
>
> Just put
> @reboot       /sbin/kbdrate -r 8 -d 500 -s
> into /root/crontab and then type
> ~# crontab crontab
>
That would have been useful when it was running 
raspian jessie, but I've now an sd card thats booting raspian stretch, 
doesn't suffer from that, and which runs the machine smoother but still 
suffers from the cold molasses video. They have now updated to buster, 
twice, the second time incorporating new drivers from broadcom that 
speed the video up by actually using the broadcom video hardware. Full 
screen glxgears runs at 19 fps instead of 1.6 fps  using the 
framebuffer.  And I need that AND at least a fully pre-emptible kernel.

> > > Not too long ago, I saw a User asking about the ability to add a
> > > visual aid, e.g. those classic asterisks, to a password entry
> > > field that currently just sat there blank. The ability to make
> > > that User CHOICE would sure come in handy for at least that
> > > initial login console, depending on one's accessibility needs.
> > > Persons with disabilities related to mobility, dexterity would
> > > potentially benefit the most.
> >
> > Absolutely.
> >
> > > Afterthought.. That option may currently exist. The above just
> > > reflects that I haven't tripped over it yet. :)
> >
> > Me either Cindy.  Sigh.
>
> Possibly myself, if you're thinking of:
>
> https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2019/06/msg00585.html

Thats the best possibility of what I recall.

> But that was really about encryption passphrases rather than login
> passwords.

But the useage is not via the same lib?

> Cheers,
> David.

Thanks David.  See my other reply to Curt, its locked me out again, and 
wont even let me add another user to test with. I've never heard of an 
xsession timing out in 10 minutes, but...

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#212054

On Thu 01 Aug 2019 at 06:28:17 (-0400), Gene Heskett wrote:
> Debian-arm netinstall on a pi3b;

… about which I know nothing. (A physicist once showed me an original
pi in the pub, I think.)

> No root pw set, I am housebroken to using sudo now.
> 
> netinstall didn't install x anything although I thought I was selecting 
> xfce4, so my first action on the reboot was to 
> "sudo apt install xfce4". reboot, works, have x and 4 workspaces.
> 
> Then "sudo apt install build-essential and buildbot, cups". reboot, 
> worked once, login normal. Then I plugged in a 120GB ssd which had a 
> bunch of src stuff on it I'll need later and powered up again. Can't 
> login, passwd no good.  Dbl check, caps lock off, try again several 
> times, passwd no good.
> 
> Come to the house and ssh -Y picnc. passwd good, I have 2 sessions 
> running right now from konsoles on this machine. Back to the garage, 
> passwd fails.
> 
> Suggested course of action? I do have access to it via ssh. And sudo -i 
> works.

My first action would be to revert the change: remove the SSD.
I'm assuming that typing the username ± Caps behaves normally.

Cheers,
David.

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#212117

On Thursday 01 August 2019 09:45:42 David Wright wrote:

> On Thu 01 Aug 2019 at 06:28:17 (-0400), Gene Heskett wrote:
> > Debian-arm netinstall on a pi3b;
>
> … about which I know nothing. (A physicist once showed me an original
> pi in the pub, I think.)
>
> > No root pw set, I am housebroken to using sudo now.
> >
> > netinstall didn't install x anything although I thought I was
> > selecting xfce4, so my first action on the reboot was to
> > "sudo apt install xfce4". reboot, works, have x and 4 workspaces.
> >
> > Then "sudo apt install build-essential and buildbot, cups". reboot,
> > worked once, login normal. Then I plugged in a 120GB ssd which had a
> > bunch of src stuff on it I'll need later and powered up again. Can't
> > login, passwd no good.  Dbl check, caps lock off, try again several
> > times, passwd no good.
> >
> > Come to the house and ssh -Y picnc. passwd good, I have 2 sessions
> > running right now from konsoles on this machine. Back to the garage,
> > passwd fails.
> >
> > Suggested course of action? I do have access to it via ssh. And sudo
> > -i works.
>
> My first action would be to revert the change: remove the SSD.

I've also tried that, no help.

> I'm assuming that typing the username ± Caps behaves normally.

Seems to act normally.

> Cheers,
> David.


Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#212059

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On Jo, 01 aug 19, 06:28:17, Gene Heskett wrote:
> Debian-arm netinstall on a pi3b;
> 
> No root pw set, I am housebroken to using sudo now.
> 
> netinstall didn't install x anything although I thought I was selecting 
> xfce4, so my first action on the reboot was to 
> "sudo apt install xfce4". reboot, works, have x and 4 workspaces.
> 
> Then "sudo apt install build-essential and buildbot, cups". reboot, 
> worked once, login normal. Then I plugged in a 120GB ssd which had a 
> bunch of src stuff on it I'll need later and powered up again. Can't 
> login, passwd no good.  Dbl check, caps lock off, try again several 
> times, passwd no good.

Maybe the SSD is drawing just enough additional current to mess with 
your keyboard. As already suggested, you could try removing it.

Also, since you're not worried about security you could try typing your 
password in the username field, to make sure the keyboard works as 
expected. Just don't press enter so the password is not logged ;)

Kind regards,
Andrei
-- 
http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser

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#212116

On Thursday 01 August 2019 10:20:57 Andrei POPESCU wrote:

> On Jo, 01 aug 19, 06:28:17, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > Debian-arm netinstall on a pi3b;
> >
> > No root pw set, I am housebroken to using sudo now.
> >
> > netinstall didn't install x anything although I thought I was
> > selecting xfce4, so my first action on the reboot was to
> > "sudo apt install xfce4". reboot, works, have x and 4 workspaces.
> >
> > Then "sudo apt install build-essential and buildbot, cups". reboot,
> > worked once, login normal. Then I plugged in a 120GB ssd which had a
> > bunch of src stuff on it I'll need later and powered up again. Can't
> > login, passwd no good.  Dbl check, caps lock off, try again several
> > times, passwd no good.
>
> Maybe the SSD is drawing just enough additional current to mess with
> your keyboard. As already suggested, you could try removing it.
>
Its a 5 amp switcher.

> Also, since you're not worried about security you could try typing
> your password in the username field, to make sure the keyboard works
> as expected. Just don't press enter so the password is not logged ;)

I've done that too, its displaying exactly what I typed.

> Kind regards,
> Andrei

Thanks Andrei

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#212162

On Thursday 01 August 2019 16:58:46 Gene Heskett wrote:

> On Thursday 01 August 2019 10:20:57 Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> > On Jo, 01 aug 19, 06:28:17, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > Debian-arm netinstall on a pi3b;
> > >
> > > No root pw set, I am housebroken to using sudo now.
> > >
> > > netinstall didn't install x anything although I thought I was
> > > selecting xfce4, so my first action on the reboot was to
> > > "sudo apt install xfce4". reboot, works, have x and 4 workspaces.
> > >
> > > Then "sudo apt install build-essential and buildbot, cups".
> > > reboot, worked once, login normal. Then I plugged in a 120GB ssd
> > > which had a bunch of src stuff on it I'll need later and powered
> > > up again. Can't login, passwd no good.  Dbl check, caps lock off,
> > > try again several times, passwd no good.
> >
> > Maybe the SSD is drawing just enough additional current to mess with
> > your keyboard. As already suggested, you could try removing it.
>
> Its a 5 amp switcher.
>
> > Also, since you're not worried about security you could try typing
> > your password in the username field, to make sure the keyboard works
> > as expected. Just don't press enter so the password is not logged ;)
>
> I've done that too, its displaying exactly what I typed.
>
> > Kind regards,
> > Andrei
>
> Thanks Andrei
>
> Cheers, Gene Heskett

And I am being ignored. So here is a thought.

Someone has recently mentioned a new method of encrypting passwds. Is it 
possible that something in xfce4 has changed to the new method, but the 
passwd in the passwd file was encrypted with the older method, and that 
an ssh login is still useing the old method, so I can login remotely 
only? So possibly it might be fixed by an apt update/upgrade? Unforch, 
there is nothing to upgrade:

copy/paste from a konsole logged into it.

gene@picnc:~$ sudo apt update
[sudo] password for gene:
Get:1 http://security.debian.org/debian-security buster/updates InRelease 
[39.1 kB]
Hit:2 http://deb.debian.org/debian buster InRelease
Get:3 http://deb.debian.org/debian buster-updates InRelease [46.8 kB]
Get:4 http://security.debian.org/debian-security buster/updates/main 
Sources [25.9 kB]
Get:5 http://security.debian.org/debian-security buster/updates/main 
arm64 Packages [51.5 kB]
Get:6 http://security.debian.org/debian-security buster/updates/main 
Translation-en [28.9 kB]
Fetched 192 kB in 2s (81.9 kB/s)
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
All packages are up to date.
gene@picnc:~$                                                                

But is that the proper list of repo's to query?

Or maybe its ssh thats using the new way, and xfce4 has not caught up. I 
haven't a clue whats changed, but it did work several times, then 
stopped.  Completely changing my passwd from this ssh login worked, I 
backed out and tried it, worked as expected from ssh, but is still 
rejected from its own keyboard, so I changed it back. ?? What library 
does that? Is there a version jump that arm did, but got miss installed?

Thank you.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#212168

On 2019-08-03, Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> wrote:
>
> Or maybe its ssh thats using the new way, and xfce4 has not caught up. I 

https://www.mail-archive.com/debian-user@lists.debian.org/msg745969.html

You're using lightdm as a display manager (graphical login)?

If so

 sudo tail -f /var/log/lightdm/x-0-greeter.log

as well as the contents of
 
 /var/log/lightdm/lightdm.log

might provide some clue.

> haven't a clue whats changed, but it did work several times, then 
> stopped.  Completely changing my passwd from this ssh login worked, I 
> backed out and tried it, worked as expected from ssh, but is still 
> rejected from its own keyboard, so I changed it back. ?? What library 
> does that? Is there a version jump that arm did, but got miss installed?
>
> Thank you.
>
> Cheers, Gene Heskett


-- 
“We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars.” 
― Oscar Wilde, Lady Windermere's Fan

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#212171

On Saturday 03 August 2019 03:55:32 Curt wrote:

> On 2019-08-03, Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> wrote:
> > Or maybe its ssh thats using the new way, and xfce4 has not caught
> > up. I
>
> https://www.mail-archive.com/debian-user@lists.debian.org/msg745969.ht
>ml
>
> You're using lightdm as a display manager (graphical login)?
>
> If so
>
>  sudo tail -f /var/log/lightdm/x-0-greeter.log
>
No such file. ls -l of that dir:
root@picnc:/var/log/lightdm# ls -l
total 900
-rw------- 1 root root   3686 Aug  1 13:37 lightdm.log
-rw------- 1 root root  12377 Aug  1 13:36 lightdm.log.old
-rw------- 1 root root 407863 Aug  3 05:05 seat0-greeter.log
-rw------- 1 root root 472719 Aug  1 13:36 seat0-greeter.log.old
-rw------- 1 root root    889 Aug  1 13:36 x-0.log
-rw------- 1 root root    948 Aug  1 13:36 x-0.log.old

But seat0-greeter.log(s) are all this:
** Message: 13:37:04.194: Starting lightdm-gtk-greeter 2.0.6 (Dec 27 
2018, 16:15:47)
** Message: 13:37:04.203: [Configuration] Reading 
file: /usr/share/lightdm/lightdm-gtk-greeter.conf.d/01_debian.conf
** Message: 13:37:04.204: [Configuration] Reading 
file: /etc/lightdm/lightdm-gtk-greeter.conf

** (lightdm-gtk-greeter:424): WARNING **: 13:37:06.062: [PIDs] Failed to 
execute command: upstart

(lightdm-gtk-greeter:424): Gtk-WARNING **: 13:37:10.850: Drawing a gadget 
with negative dimensions. Did you forget to allocate a size? (node 
menubar owner GreeterMenuBar)

With this last line repeating at 1 minute intervals, almost half a meg of 
them. From then until now. Confirmed by a tail -f.

This looks like something that might be fixable, but I don't grok this 
process enough to do more than report.

> as well as the contents of
>
>  /var/log/lightdm/lightdm.log
>
> might provide some clue.
>
> > haven't a clue whats changed, but it did work several times, then
> > stopped.  Completely changing my passwd from this ssh login worked,
> > I backed out and tried it, worked as expected from ssh, but is still
> > rejected from its own keyboard, so I changed it back. ?? What
> > library does that? Is there a version jump that arm did, but got
> > miss installed?
> >
> > Thank you.
> >
> > Cheers, Gene Heskett


Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#212172

On 2019-08-03, Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> wrote:
>
>> as well as the contents of
>>
>>  /var/log/lightdm/lightdm.log

What about the log?

What happens exactly?

>> might provide some clue.


-- 
“We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars.” 
― Oscar Wilde, Lady Windermere's Fan

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#212176

On Saturday 03 August 2019 05:58:49 Curt wrote:

> On 2019-08-03, Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> wrote:
> >> as well as the contents of
> >>
> >>  /var/log/lightdm/lightdm.log
>
> What about the log?

Since the logs have been rotated, I find many stanza's of this in the 
lightdm.log.old

[+3030.13s] DEBUG: Greeter start authentication for  gene
[+3030.13s] DEBUG: Session pid=460: Sending SIGTERM
[+3030.13s] DEBUG: Session pid=490: Started with service 'lightdm', 
username ' gene'
[+3030.13s] DEBUG: Session pid=460: Terminated with signal 15
[+3030.13s] DEBUG: Session: Failed during authentication
[+3030.13s] DEBUG: Seat seat0: Session stopped
[+3030.16s] DEBUG: Session pid=490: Got 1 message(s) from PAM
[+3030.16s] DEBUG: Prompt greeter with 1 message(s)
[+3035.97s] DEBUG: Continue authentication
[+3038.26s] DEBUG: Session pid=490: Authentication complete with return 
value 7: Authentication failure
[+3038.26s] DEBUG: Authenticate result for user  gene: Authentication 
failure
[+3038.26s] DEBUG: Session pid=490: Exited with return value 1
[+3038.26s] DEBUG: Seat seat0: Session stopped
[+3038.27s] DEBUG: Greeter start authentication for  gene

> What happens exactly?
>
> >> might provide some clue.
Thanks Curt.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#212177

On 2019-08-03, Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> wrote:
>
> [+3038.26s] DEBUG: Session pid=490: Authentication complete with return 
> value 7: Authentication failure

Check permissions on '~.Xauthority' file maybe (think it should be
gene:gene). Maybe that file is 'stale' (whatever that might mean). Maybe
you could move it out of the way and see if you can log in then.

curty@einstein:~$ ls -l .Xauthority 
-rw------- 1 curty curty 102 Aug  3 09:17 .Xauthority

I'm a lightdm user myself.

You might also try 'dpkg-reconfigure lightdm' (which might overwrite a
corrupted config with something fresh).

Stabs in the dark. You enter username/password and it says: "Incorrect
password. Try again, Gene"?

-- 
“We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars.” 
― Oscar Wilde, Lady Windermere's Fan

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#212184

On Saturday 03 August 2019 06:49:41 Curt wrote:

> On 2019-08-03, Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> wrote:
> > [+3038.26s] DEBUG: Session pid=490: Authentication complete with
> > return value 7: Authentication failure
>
> Check permissions on '~.Xauthority' file maybe (think it should be
> gene:gene). Maybe that file is 'stale' (whatever that might mean).
> Maybe you could move it out of the way and see if you can log in then.
>
> curty@einstein:~$ ls -l .Xauthority
> -rw------- 1 curty curty 102 Aug  3 09:17 .Xauthority

rm'd it.

> I'm a lightdm user myself.
>
> You might also try 'dpkg-reconfigure lightdm' (which might overwrite a
> corrupted config with something fresh).

Took several seconds to sudo it, no errors.
>
> Stabs in the dark. You enter username/password and it says: "Incorrect
> password. Try again, Gene"?
"incorrect password, please try again"

So I clicked back in the username box, and verified my pw as displayed 
there, then back to geneTAB, put in pw againENTER, incorrect yadda
so I refreshed the pw again, but rather than an ENTER, picked up the 
mouse and clicked the login button, worked. WTH? I've been using enter 
for 20 years. If this is how it works NOW, its a bug. That also has been 
tried, several times, always failed. This is so crazy I'm going to 
reboot it and try again. BRB.

And this is crazier yet, I had a ready to work xfce4 screen with 4 
workspaces when I walked away, stopping for about a minute in front of 
another machine which has been digging a woodruff key socket in the side 
of a Rockwell 60C shaft, which its been doing by EDM since yesterday 
mid-morning, part of the big lathe this pi is running, long enough to 
note that using EDM, I've burnt more off the end of the carbide tool 
doing the erosion than the slot is deep. 35 thou to go, but the slot 
needs another 100 thou yet.

Then came back in here and typed the above.  And after I said BRB, I 
refilled my morning coffee and walked back out to be greeted by a blank 
screen with the login greeter asking for my pw, tried twice, once with 
an enter, once with a mouse click on the login button, both failed, 
incorrect passwd.

Next?

Thanks Curt.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#212221

On 2019-08-03, Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> wrote:
>
> But seat0-greeter.log(s) are all this:
> ** Message: 13:37:04.194: Starting lightdm-gtk-greeter 2.0.6 (Dec 27 
> 2018, 16:15:47)
> ** Message: 13:37:04.203: [Configuration] Reading 
> file: /usr/share/lightdm/lightdm-gtk-greeter.conf.d/01_debian.conf
> ** Message: 13:37:04.204: [Configuration] Reading 
> file: /etc/lightdm/lightdm-gtk-greeter.conf

> ** (lightdm-gtk-greeter:424): WARNING **: 13:37:06.062: [PIDs] Failed to 
> execute command: upstart

I don't know what upstart is exactly, but I don't believe it's the
problem here.

You might look in /var/log/auth.log for other clues.

One kubuntu guy with a similar symptomatology removed (for safety's sake
you can just move the files out of the way by renaming them)

 .Xauthority .ICEauthority .cache

then 

 dpkg-reconfigured lightdm
                   xfce4 (actually, in his case, kubuntu)

and rebooted.

Probably couldn't hurt. But might not help.

You could try another display manager if all else fails, or, as I see
suggested elsewhere (the ineluctable "just use Mutt" reflex) startx.

> (lightdm-gtk-greeter:424): Gtk-WARNING **: 13:37:10.850: Drawing a gadget 
> with negative dimensions. Did you forget to allocate a size? (node 
> menubar owner GreeterMenuBar)

I get this spam, too, but it's nothing but that.
-- 
“We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars.” 
― Oscar Wilde, Lady Windermere's Fan

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#212175

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On Saturday 03 August 2019 03:55:32 Curt wrote:

> On 2019-08-03, Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> wrote:
> > Or maybe its ssh thats using the new way, and xfce4 has not caught
> > up. I
>
> https://www.mail-archive.com/debian-user@lists.debian.org/msg745969.ht
>ml
>
> You're using lightdm as a display manager (graphical login)?
>
> If so
>
>  sudo tail -f /var/log/lightdm/x-0-greeter.log
>
> as well as the contents of
>
>  /var/log/lightdm/lightdm.log
>
> might provide some clue.
>
> > haven't a clue whats changed, but it did work several times, then
> > stopped.  Completely changing my passwd from this ssh login worked,
> > I backed out and tried it, worked as expected from ssh, but is still
> > rejected from its own keyboard, so I changed it back. ?? What
> > library does that? Is there a version jump that arm did, but got
> > miss installed?
> >
> > Thank you.
> >
> > Cheers, Gene Heskett

I should add that the login greeter looks complete and normal.
I could supply a pix but 2x problems, my camera outputs 4.5 megabyte 
jpg's, and it looks completely normal, until I hit return at the end of 
the pw, or click on the login button.

I trolled thru the /var/log/apt/history.log.1.gz, which of course starts 
with the netinstall stuff. The first thing I installed after discovering 
I had a text login, was xfce4 that pulled in several hundred 
dependencies.  Rebooted, had x login. Opened a konsole and did:
sudo apt install synaptic build-essential. That also pulled in at least 
100 dependencies.  Expected.

The reboot after that failed to accept my pw, and has been failing since. 
Those logs could be supplied but are locked down pretty tightly. I'd have 
to install mc and mc-data before I could copy them someplace where I 
could attach them to an email. But I'd druther not destroy the scene of 
the crime just yet.  You tell me... history.log.1.gz I was able to move 
with thunar. But while I did move the history to my home dir, where I 
should have been able to fetch it over sshnet mounts, the first use on 
picnc is no longer pi, but gene, and not even root can touch that 
mountpoint. Ahh, finally got it. Attached. Now if the server doesn't 
strip it.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#212186

On Fri 02 Aug 2019 at 22:41:00 (-0400), Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Thursday 01 August 2019 16:58:46 Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Thursday 01 August 2019 10:20:57 Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> > > On Jo, 01 aug 19, 06:28:17, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > > Debian-arm netinstall on a pi3b;
> > > >
> > > > No root pw set, I am housebroken to using sudo now.
> > > >
> > > > netinstall didn't install x anything although I thought I was
> > > > selecting xfce4, so my first action on the reboot was to
> > > > "sudo apt install xfce4". reboot, works, have x and 4 workspaces.
> > > >
> > > > Then "sudo apt install build-essential and buildbot, cups".
> > > > reboot, worked once, login normal. Then I plugged in a 120GB ssd
> > > > which had a bunch of src stuff on it I'll need later and powered
> > > > up again. Can't login, passwd no good.  Dbl check, caps lock off,
> > > > try again several times, passwd no good.
> > >
> > > Maybe the SSD is drawing just enough additional current to mess with
> > > your keyboard. As already suggested, you could try removing it.
> >
> > Its a 5 amp switcher.
> >
> > > Also, since you're not worried about security you could try typing
> > > your password in the username field, to make sure the keyboard works
> > > as expected. Just don't press enter so the password is not logged ;)
> >
> > I've done that too, its displaying exactly what I typed.
> 
> And I am being ignored. So here is a thought.

Well, I didn't realise you were using a DM to login when I wrote my
first reply. As with the SSD, I would have you revert from a DM to
an ordinary VC login. But I know so little about DEs that I don't
know if that's possible. What does a DM buy you?

> Someone has recently mentioned a new method of encrypting passwds. Is it 
> possible that something in xfce4 has changed to the new method, but the 
> passwd in the passwd file was encrypted with the older method, and that 
> an ssh login is still useing the old method, so I can login remotely 
> only? So possibly it might be fixed by an apt update/upgrade? Unforch, 
> there is nothing to upgrade:

AIUI passwords are not encrypted, they're hashed.

> copy/paste from a konsole logged into it.
> 
> gene@picnc:~$ sudo apt update
> [sudo] password for gene:
> Get:1 http://security.debian.org/debian-security buster/updates InRelease 
> [39.1 kB]
> Hit:2 http://deb.debian.org/debian buster InRelease
> Get:3 http://deb.debian.org/debian buster-updates InRelease [46.8 kB]
> Get:4 http://security.debian.org/debian-security buster/updates/main 
> Sources [25.9 kB]
> Get:5 http://security.debian.org/debian-security buster/updates/main 
> arm64 Packages [51.5 kB]
> Get:6 http://security.debian.org/debian-security buster/updates/main 
> Translation-en [28.9 kB]
> Fetched 192 kB in 2s (81.9 kB/s)
> Reading package lists... Done
> Building dependency tree
> Reading state information... Done
> All packages are up to date.
> gene@picnc:~$                                                                
> 
> But is that the proper list of repo's to query?

Posting your sources.list would be more typical.

> Or maybe its ssh thats using the new way, and xfce4 has not caught up. I 
> haven't a clue whats changed, but it did work several times, then 
> stopped.  Completely changing my passwd from this ssh login worked, I 
> backed out and tried it, worked as expected from ssh, but is still 
> rejected from its own keyboard, so I changed it back. ?? What library 
> does that? Is there a version jump that arm did, but got miss installed?

ssh has -v (up to 3 times) for monitoring its behaviour.

But are you're sure you're not thinking of something like LUKS1/LUKS2
rather than any change in passwd hashing (which might be why you wrote
"encrypting").

Cheers,
David.

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#212189

On Saturday 03 August 2019 10:03:18 David Wright wrote:

> On Fri 02 Aug 2019 at 22:41:00 (-0400), Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Thursday 01 August 2019 16:58:46 Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > On Thursday 01 August 2019 10:20:57 Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> > > > On Jo, 01 aug 19, 06:28:17, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > > > Debian-arm netinstall on a pi3b;
> > > > >
> > > > > No root pw set, I am housebroken to using sudo now.
> > > > >
> > > > > netinstall didn't install x anything although I thought I was
> > > > > selecting xfce4, so my first action on the reboot was to
> > > > > "sudo apt install xfce4". reboot, works, have x and 4
> > > > > workspaces.
> > > > >
> > > > > Then "sudo apt install build-essential and buildbot, cups".
> > > > > reboot, worked once, login normal. Then I plugged in a 120GB
> > > > > ssd which had a bunch of src stuff on it I'll need later and
> > > > > powered up again. Can't login, passwd no good.  Dbl check,
> > > > > caps lock off, try again several times, passwd no good.
> > > >
> > > > Maybe the SSD is drawing just enough additional current to mess
> > > > with your keyboard. As already suggested, you could try removing
> > > > it.
> > >
> > > Its a 5 amp switcher.
> > >
> > > > Also, since you're not worried about security you could try
> > > > typing your password in the username field, to make sure the
> > > > keyboard works as expected. Just don't press enter so the
> > > > password is not logged ;)
> > >
> > > I've done that too, its displaying exactly what I typed.
> >
> > And I am being ignored. So here is a thought.
>
> Well, I didn't realise you were using a DM to login when I wrote my
> first reply. As with the SSD, I would have you revert from a DM to
> an ordinary VC login. But I know so little about DEs that I don't
> know if that's possible. What does a DM buy you?
>
A nice gui with lots of workspaces. Menu's to run stuff.
> > Someone has recently mentioned a new method of encrypting passwds.
> > Is it possible that something in xfce4 has changed to the new
> > method, but the passwd in the passwd file was encrypted with the
> > older method, and that an ssh login is still useing the old method,
> > so I can login remotely only? So possibly it might be fixed by an
> > apt update/upgrade? Unforch, there is nothing to upgrade:
>
> AIUI passwords are not encrypted, they're hashed.
And apparently each hash is unique? I've checked 4 machines here, and the 
shadow files entry for me is different on all 4 machines.

> > copy/paste from a konsole logged into it.
> >
> > gene@picnc:~$ sudo apt update
> > [sudo] password for gene:
> > Get:1 http://security.debian.org/debian-security buster/updates
> > InRelease [39.1 kB]
> > Hit:2 http://deb.debian.org/debian buster InRelease
> > Get:3 http://deb.debian.org/debian buster-updates InRelease [46.8
> > kB] Get:4 http://security.debian.org/debian-security
> > buster/updates/main Sources [25.9 kB]
> > Get:5 http://security.debian.org/debian-security buster/updates/main
> > arm64 Packages [51.5 kB]
> > Get:6 http://security.debian.org/debian-security buster/updates/main
> > Translation-en [28.9 kB]
> > Fetched 192 kB in 2s (81.9 kB/s)
> > Reading package lists... Done
> > Building dependency tree
> > Reading state information... Done
> > All packages are up to date.
> > gene@picnc:~$
> >
> > But is that the proper list of repo's to query?
>
> Posting your sources.list would be more typical.

but much more difficult to copy and chown to get it in the rights for 
kmail-trinity to attach or include. I have to copy them to someplace 
neutral, chown the perms, as my sshnet runs as me, specifically denies 
root, so once I can copy it across the cat5 to someplace in /home/gene 
on this machine, then I can attach or include it.

> > Or maybe its ssh thats using the new way, and xfce4 has not caught
> > up. I haven't a clue whats changed, but it did work several times,
> > then stopped.  Completely changing my passwd from this ssh login
> > worked, I backed out and tried it, worked as expected from ssh, but
> > is still rejected from its own keyboard, so I changed it back. ??
> > What library does that? Is there a version jump that arm did, but
> > got miss installed?
>
> ssh has -v (up to 3 times) for monitoring its behaviour.
>
> But are you're sure you're not thinking of something like LUKS1/LUKS2
> rather than any change in passwd hashing (which might be why you wrote
> "encrypting").

Never touched LUKS, any version.
> Cheers,
> David.


Cheers David, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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