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  Virtual Box Peter Hillier-Brook <phb@hbsys.plus.com> - 2019-08-02 19:20 +0200
    Re: Virtual Box Nate Bargmann <n0nb@n0nb.us> - 2019-08-02 19:20 +0200
      Re: Virtual Box Sven Hartge <sven@svenhartge.de> - 2019-08-03 09:30 +0200
        Re: Virtual Box Nate Bargmann <n0nb@n0nb.us> - 2019-08-03 13:20 +0200
          Re: Virtual Box Keith Bainbridge <ke1th3216@gmail.com> - 2019-08-06 08:40 +0200
            Bug#934203: Please make it easier to trust external repositories without trusting their key for everything else Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2019-08-08 09:00 +0200
    Re: Virtual Box Étienne Mollier <etienne.mollier@mailoo.org> - 2019-08-02 19:40 +0200
      Re: Virtual Box Peter Hillier-Brook <phb@hbsys.plus.com> - 2019-08-03 00:50 +0200
      Re: Virtual Box deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2019-08-03 03:30 +0200
      Re: Virtual Box Keith Bainbridge <ke1th3216@gmail.com> - 2019-08-06 08:40 +0200
        virt-manager (was Re: Virtual Box) The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> - 2019-08-06 16:50 +0200
          Re: virt-manager (was Re: Virtual Box) Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2019-08-06 17:30 +0200
            Re: virt-manager (was Re: Virtual Box) The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> - 2019-08-06 17:50 +0200
              Re: virt-manager (was Re: Virtual Box) Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2019-08-06 18:00 +0200
          Re: virt-manager (was Re: Virtual Box) Keith Bainbridge <ke1th3216@gmail.com> - 2019-08-07 06:10 +0200
    Re: Virtual Box Erwan David <erwan@rail.eu.org> - 2019-08-02 22:50 +0200
      Re: Virtual Box Peter Hillier-Brook <phb@hbsys.plus.com> - 2019-08-03 01:00 +0200
    Re: Virtual Box Patrick Bartek <nemommxiv@gmail.com> - 2019-08-02 23:50 +0200
      Re: Virtual Box Peter Hillier-Brook <phb@hbsys.plus.com> - 2019-08-03 01:00 +0200
      Re: Virtual Box deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2019-08-03 03:30 +0200
        Re: Virtual Box Patrick Bartek <nemommxiv@gmail.com> - 2019-08-03 06:20 +0200
      Re: Virtual Box Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2019-08-05 14:50 +0200
        Re: Virtual Box Patrick Bartek <nemommxiv@gmail.com> - 2019-08-05 17:50 +0200
          Re: Virtual Box Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2019-08-05 18:00 +0200
            Re: Virtual Box Patrick Bartek <nemommxiv@gmail.com> - 2019-08-05 21:10 +0200
              Re: Virtual Box David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2019-08-05 22:20 +0200
                Re: Virtual Box Patrick Bartek <nemommxiv@gmail.com> - 2019-08-05 23:30 +0200
              Re: Virtual Box Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2019-08-06 07:50 +0200
    Re: Virtual Box Rick Thomas <rbthomas@pobox.com> - 2019-08-03 04:10 +0200
    Re: Virtual Box Peter Hillier-Brook <phb@hbsys.plus.com> - 2019-08-03 13:50 +0200

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#212163

On Sat, 03 Aug 2019 03:22:24 +0200
deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> wrote:

> Patrick Bartek wrote:
> 
> > Download the .deb directly from Oracle's web site.  This is the way I've
> > always installed Virtualbox.  Never used the Debian repo versions
> > ever.  Don't forget the Host Extensions package.
> > 
> > To help installing the .deb file, install gdebi-core (commandline
> > version) from Buster's repo.  It will take care of dependencies
> > which dpkg does not.  
> 
> Best advise! 
> 
> And also to note that there is repository if I am not mistaken, that you can
> add.

The Virtualbox repo gets added automatically when you install
Oracle's .deb package.  At least it does on previous installs I've
done.  Then all update/upgrades to VB comes from THAT repo not Debian's.

B

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#212262

On Fri, Aug 02, 2019 at 02:42:36PM -0700, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> To help installing the .deb file, install gdebi-core (commandline
> version) from Buster's repo.  It will take care of dependencies
> which dpkg does not.

Or simply use "apt install ./whatever.deb".  Don't forget the leading
"./" or "../" or "/" characters.  They tell apt that this is a filename
instead of a package name.  Then, apt will resolve the dependencies.

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#212264

On Mon, 5 Aug 2019 08:41:06 -0400
Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> wrote:

> On Fri, Aug 02, 2019 at 02:42:36PM -0700, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> > To help installing the .deb file, install gdebi-core (commandline
> > version) from Buster's repo.  It will take care of dependencies
> > which dpkg does not.  
> 
> Or simply use "apt install ./whatever.deb".  Don't forget the leading
> "./" or "../" or "/" characters.  They tell apt that this is a filename
> instead of a package name.  Then, apt will resolve the dependencies.
> 

That little feature is not mentioned in the man pages.  Never got
around to reading the full docs.  Have to try it next time.

FWIW, I've been using gdebi-core since Wheezy when dpkg was the usual
way to install a local .deb file.  Liked its simplicity and just
continued with it with Stretch.

B

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#212265

On Mon, Aug 05, 2019 at 08:44:35AM -0700, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> On Mon, 5 Aug 2019 08:41:06 -0400
> Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> wrote:
> 
> > On Fri, Aug 02, 2019 at 02:42:36PM -0700, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> > > To help installing the .deb file, install gdebi-core (commandline
> > > version) from Buster's repo.  It will take care of dependencies
> > > which dpkg does not.  
> > 
> > Or simply use "apt install ./whatever.deb".  Don't forget the leading
> > "./" or "../" or "/" characters.  They tell apt that this is a filename
> > instead of a package name.  Then, apt will resolve the dependencies.
> > 
> 
> That little feature is not mentioned in the man pages.  Never got
> around to reading the full docs.  Have to try it next time.
> 
> FWIW, I've been using gdebi-core since Wheezy when dpkg was the usual
> way to install a local .deb file.  Liked its simplicity and just
> continued with it with Stretch.

Yeah, that's fair.  I think the "apt install ./foo.deb" thing was added
in stretch, so it's quite new.

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#212272

On Mon, 5 Aug 2019 11:50:07 -0400
Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> wrote:

> On Mon, Aug 05, 2019 at 08:44:35AM -0700, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> > On Mon, 5 Aug 2019 08:41:06 -0400
> > Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> wrote:
> >   
> > > On Fri, Aug 02, 2019 at 02:42:36PM -0700, Patrick Bartek wrote:  
> > > > To help installing the .deb file, install gdebi-core (commandline
> > > > version) from Buster's repo.  It will take care of dependencies
> > > > which dpkg does not.    
> > > 
> > > Or simply use "apt install ./whatever.deb".  Don't forget the leading
> > > "./" or "../" or "/" characters.  They tell apt that this is a filename
> > > instead of a package name.  Then, apt will resolve the dependencies.
> > >   
> > 
> > That little feature is not mentioned in the man pages.  Never got
> > around to reading the full docs.  Have to try it next time.
> > 
> > FWIW, I've been using gdebi-core since Wheezy when dpkg was the usual
> > way to install a local .deb file.  Liked its simplicity and just
> > continued with it with Stretch.  
> 
> Yeah, that's fair.  I think the "apt install ./foo.deb" thing was added
> in stretch, so it's quite new.

Well, Stretch was my first exposure to apt.  I used Wheezy (and apt-get)
from RC3 or 4 (replacing Fedora 12) until long term support for it
ended in 2018, then moved to Stretch skipping Jessie entirely.

I've read that apt released in 2014 or so.  Its man page in Stretch is
dated 2015.  So, it could have been available first in Jessie, but have
no idea if the local .deb install with dependency checking was included
then, but probably was.  No matter.  apt makes things easier compared to
the apt-get/apt-cache/etc suite of commands.

B

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#212274

On Mon 05 Aug 2019 at 12:06:57 (-0700), Patrick Bartek wrote:
> On Mon, 5 Aug 2019 11:50:07 -0400 Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> wrote:
> > On Mon, Aug 05, 2019 at 08:44:35AM -0700, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> > > On Mon, 5 Aug 2019 08:41:06 -0400 Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> wrote:
> > > > On Fri, Aug 02, 2019 at 02:42:36PM -0700, Patrick Bartek wrote:  
> > > > > To help installing the .deb file, install gdebi-core (commandline
> > > > > version) from Buster's repo.  It will take care of dependencies
> > > > > which dpkg does not.    
> > > > 
> > > > Or simply use "apt install ./whatever.deb".  Don't forget the leading
> > > > "./" or "../" or "/" characters.  They tell apt that this is a filename
> > > > instead of a package name.  Then, apt will resolve the dependencies.
> > > >   
> > > 
> > > That little feature is not mentioned in the man pages.  Never got
> > > around to reading the full docs.  Have to try it next time.
> > > 
> > > FWIW, I've been using gdebi-core since Wheezy when dpkg was the usual
> > > way to install a local .deb file.  Liked its simplicity and just
> > > continued with it with Stretch.  
> > 
> > Yeah, that's fair.  I think the "apt install ./foo.deb" thing was added
> > in stretch, so it's quite new.
> 
> Well, Stretch was my first exposure to apt.  I used Wheezy (and apt-get)
> from RC3 or 4 (replacing Fedora 12) until long term support for it
> ended in 2018, then moved to Stretch skipping Jessie entirely.
> 
> I've read that apt released in 2014 or so.  Its man page in Stretch is
> dated 2015.  So, it could have been available first in Jessie, but have
> no idea if the local .deb install with dependency checking was included
> then, but probably was.  No matter.  apt makes things easier compared to
> the apt-get/apt-cache/etc suite of commands.

As long as you bear in mind that apt's interface is a moveable feast.
For example, not many people recognised the behaviour of this little gem:

    # ls
    gem.deb
    # apt install gem.deb

which will find and install a package called gem2deb, not the file gem.deb.

https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2018/08/msg01077.html

Cheers,
David.

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#212280

On Mon, 5 Aug 2019 15:12:18 -0500
David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> wrote:

> On Mon 05 Aug 2019 at 12:06:57 (-0700), Patrick Bartek wrote:
> > On Mon, 5 Aug 2019 11:50:07 -0400 Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> wrote:  
> > > On Mon, Aug 05, 2019 at 08:44:35AM -0700, Patrick Bartek wrote:  
> > > > On Mon, 5 Aug 2019 08:41:06 -0400 Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> wrote:  
> > > > > On Fri, Aug 02, 2019 at 02:42:36PM -0700, Patrick Bartek wrote:    
> > > > > > To help installing the .deb file, install gdebi-core (commandline
> > > > > > version) from Buster's repo.  It will take care of dependencies
> > > > > > which dpkg does not.      
> > > > > 
> > > > > Or simply use "apt install ./whatever.deb".  Don't forget the leading
> > > > > "./" or "../" or "/" characters.  They tell apt that this is a filename
> > > > > instead of a package name.  Then, apt will resolve the dependencies.
> > > > >     
> > > > 
> > > > That little feature is not mentioned in the man pages.  Never got
> > > > around to reading the full docs.  Have to try it next time.
> > > > 
> > > > FWIW, I've been using gdebi-core since Wheezy when dpkg was the usual
> > > > way to install a local .deb file.  Liked its simplicity and just
> > > > continued with it with Stretch.    
> > > 
> > > Yeah, that's fair.  I think the "apt install ./foo.deb" thing was added
> > > in stretch, so it's quite new.  
> > 
> > Well, Stretch was my first exposure to apt.  I used Wheezy (and apt-get)
> > from RC3 or 4 (replacing Fedora 12) until long term support for it
> > ended in 2018, then moved to Stretch skipping Jessie entirely.
> > 
> > I've read that apt released in 2014 or so.  Its man page in Stretch is
> > dated 2015.  So, it could have been available first in Jessie, but have
> > no idea if the local .deb install with dependency checking was included
> > then, but probably was.  No matter.  apt makes things easier compared to
> > the apt-get/apt-cache/etc suite of commands.  
> 
> As long as you bear in mind that apt's interface is a moveable feast.
> For example, not many people recognised the behaviour of this little gem:
> 
>     # ls
>     gem.deb
>     # apt install gem.deb
>
> which will find and install a package called gem2deb, not the file gem.deb.
> 
> https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2018/08/msg01077.html

Most people never read the manual.  And so will be deservedly rewarded
. . . whether they like it or not.

B

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#212290

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On Lu, 05 aug 19, 12:06:57, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> 
> I've read that apt released in 2014 or so.  Its man page in Stretch is
> dated 2015.  So, it could have been available first in Jessie, but have
> no idea if the local .deb install with dependency checking was included
> then, but probably was.  No matter.  apt makes things easier compared to
> the apt-get/apt-cache/etc suite of commands.

Before that one could do 'dpkg -i file.deb' and follow up with
'apt-get -f install'.

Kind regards,
Andrei
-- 
http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser

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#212161

> On Aug 2, 2019, at 10:03 AM, Peter Hillier-Brook <phb@hbsys.plus.com> wrote:
> 
> Given that VBox is no longer in the Buster repositories I tried to
> install the Stretch .deb package from the VBox web site. dpkg failed
> because of dependency problems, including libvpx4 that is not in the
> Buster repositories.
> 
> Anyone have any thoughts?
> 
> Peter HB

A little googling found this website
    https://tecadmin.net/install-virtualbox-on-debian-10-buster/
which tells how to install the Oracle 6.0 VirtualBox using the usual “apt” tools.

It talks about using the “add-apt-repository” command, which is not usually installed as part of Buster.  I worked around that by simply editing the /etc/apt/sources.list file manually.

I’m using virtualbox as described in that webpage as I type.  Works great!

Hope that helps!
Rick

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#212181

On 02/08/2019 18:03, Peter Hillier-Brook wrote:

Thanks to all for useful input. Thanks to a little brain fade I hadn't
been able to find the Oracle repository, but all is now well.

Peter HB

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