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Re: buster, ekiga.

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First post2019-07-23 17:00 +0200
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  Re: buster, ekiga. peter@easthope.ca - 2019-07-23 17:00 +0200
    Re: buster, ekiga. Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2019-07-23 17:10 +0200
      Re: buster, ekiga. <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2019-07-23 18:40 +0200
      Odd character, was Re: buster, ekiga. David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2019-07-23 21:20 +0200
        Re: Odd character, was Re: buster, ekiga. <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2019-07-23 21:30 +0200
        Re: Odd character, was Re: buster, ekiga. <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2019-07-23 21:40 +0200
          Re: Odd character, was Re: buster, ekiga. Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2019-07-23 23:00 +0200
        Re: Odd character, was Re: buster, ekiga. Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2019-07-23 21:40 +0200
          Re: Odd character, was Re: buster, ekiga. <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2019-07-23 22:10 +0200
        Re: Odd character, was Re: buster, ekiga. Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2019-07-23 21:40 +0200
          Re: Odd character, was Re: buster, ekiga. David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2019-07-25 18:40 +0200
      Re: buster, ekiga. rhkramer@gmail.com - 2019-07-24 13:20 +0200
        Re: buster, ekiga. David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2019-07-24 16:40 +0200
          Re: buster, ekiga. Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2019-07-24 19:20 +0200
            Re: buster, ekiga. <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2019-07-24 19:30 +0200
              Re: buster, ekiga. Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2019-07-24 20:00 +0200
                Re: buster, ekiga. Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2019-07-24 23:00 +0200
                Re: buster, ekiga. Sven Joachim <svenjoac@gmx.de> - 2019-07-24 23:00 +0200
                  Re: buster, ekiga. <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2019-07-24 23:10 +0200
                Re: buster, ekiga. David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2019-07-24 23:00 +0200
                  Re: buster, ekiga. <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2019-07-24 23:10 +0200
                    Re: buster, ekiga. Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2019-07-24 23:20 +0200
                      Re: buster, ekiga. <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2019-07-24 23:30 +0200
                      Re: buster, ekiga. David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2019-07-25 18:40 +0200
                    Re: buster, ekiga. Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2019-07-25 13:40 +0200
    Re: buster, ekiga. Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2019-07-23 17:30 +0200

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#211714

From<tomas@tuxteam.de>
Date2019-07-24 23:10 +0200
Message-ID<ynwGl-7cF-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
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On Wed, Jul 24, 2019 at 03:49:38PM -0500, David Wright wrote:

[...]

> If I read a file that has an embedded NUL into an editor, I would
> consider it suboptimal if the editor ceased reading any more of the
> file when it hit a NUL.

Vim and Emacs both qualify. Are there other editors? (yes, a bit
tongue-in-cheek ;-P

FWIW, I (somewhat strongly) disagree with Michael here. I'm a
strong proponent of Postel's principle (both sides!). But I do
know theres the exactly opposite position. That's life.

Cheers
-- t

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#211716

FromGreg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org>
Date2019-07-24 23:20 +0200
Message-ID<ynwQ1-7hl-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#211714
On Wed, Jul 24, 2019 at 11:02:33PM +0200, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 24, 2019 at 03:49:38PM -0500, David Wright wrote:
> 
> [...]
> 
> > If I read a file that has an embedded NUL into an editor, I would
> > consider it suboptimal if the editor ceased reading any more of the
> > file when it hit a NUL.
> 
> Vim and Emacs both qualify. Are there other editors? (yes, a bit
> tongue-in-cheek ;-P

I was curious, so I generated a "text" file with a NUL in it, and opened
it in nano.  To my surprise, nano actually handled it extremely well.
The NUL was rendered as the two characters ^@ in the terminal, and
the cursor only "rested" on one of the two characters when moving
left-to-right across that line.  Ctrl-D (with the cursor on one of the ^@
characters) removed both characters from the terminal display, and after
saving, the NUL byte was gone from the file.

It was basically identical to how vim handles it, just with different
key bindings.

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#211717

From<tomas@tuxteam.de>
Date2019-07-24 23:30 +0200
Message-ID<ynwZH-7kK-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
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On Wed, Jul 24, 2019 at 05:12:39PM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 24, 2019 at 11:02:33PM +0200, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > On Wed, Jul 24, 2019 at 03:49:38PM -0500, David Wright wrote:
> > 
> > [...]
> > 
> > > If I read a file that has an embedded NUL into an editor, I would
> > > consider it suboptimal if the editor ceased reading any more of the
> > > file when it hit a NUL.
> > 
> > Vim and Emacs both qualify. Are there other editors? (yes, a bit
> > tongue-in-cheek ;-P
> 
> I was curious, so I generated a "text" file with a NUL in it, and opened
> it in nano.  To my surprise, nano actually handled it extremely well.

Phew :-)

Thanks
-- t

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#211732

FromDavid Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk>
Date2019-07-25 18:40 +0200
Message-ID<ynOWC-1HC-9@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#211716
On Wed 24 Jul 2019 at 17:12:39 (-0400), Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 24, 2019 at 11:02:33PM +0200, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > On Wed, Jul 24, 2019 at 03:49:38PM -0500, David Wright wrote:
> > 
> > [...]
> > 
> > > If I read a file that has an embedded NUL into an editor, I would
> > > consider it suboptimal if the editor ceased reading any more of the
> > > file when it hit a NUL.
> > 
> > Vim and Emacs both qualify. Are there other editors? (yes, a bit
> > tongue-in-cheek ;-P
> 
> I was curious, so I generated a "text" file with a NUL in it, and opened
> it in nano.  To my surprise, nano actually handled it extremely well.
> The NUL was rendered as the two characters ^@ in the terminal, and
> the cursor only "rested" on one of the two characters when moving
> left-to-right across that line.  Ctrl-D (with the cursor on one of the ^@
> characters) removed both characters from the terminal display, and after
> saving, the NUL byte was gone from the file.
> 
> It was basically identical to how vim handles it, just with different
> key bindings.

Yes, it's a good editor, and it's the only one I use as root. However,
it does have its failings with some characters, generally in the more
distant parts of the character code chart.

For example, you can't see anything special about NO-BREAK SPACE 0xa0,
whereas emacs marks it in various ways (cyan underscore when windowed,
purple block when non-windowed). And its behaviour with SOFT HYPHEN 0xad
is really odd, particularly when at the beginning of a line. (Soft
hyphens are coloured cyan in emacs. These colours may depend on themes
and suchlike in DEs.)

Cheers,
David.

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#211725

FromMichael Stone <mstone@debian.org>
Date2019-07-25 13:40 +0200
Message-ID<ynKgh-7gO-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#211714
On Wed, Jul 24, 2019 at 11:02:33PM +0200, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:
>FWIW, I (somewhat strongly) disagree with Michael here. I'm a
>strong proponent of Postel's principle (both sides!).

That's fine, it was a lovely ideal for a different and simpler time.

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#211675

FromBrad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk>
Date2019-07-23 17:30 +0200
Message-ID<yn4TM-6pV-13@gated-at.bofh.it>
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On Tue, 23 Jul 2019 07:41:20 -0700
peter@easthope.ca wrote:

Hello peter@easthope.ca,

>*	From: Brad Rogers *	Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2019 19:32:46
>> It was replaced by Empathy.  
.......
>item are pale gray.  Ideas about contacts? 

All I know about Empathy is that it replaced Ekiga.  I've never used
either package.  Sorry.

>Thanks again,         ... P.

YW.  I'm just sorry that I can't be of more help.

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