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  Re: Re: USB wireless dongle not detected Richard Hobson <hobsonrj@gmail.com> - 2019-07-17 18:30 +0200
    Re: USB wireless dongle not detected Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-07-17 22:00 +0200
      Re: USB wireless dongle not detected Richard Hector <richard@walnut.gen.nz> - 2019-07-18 08:30 +0200
        Re: Re: USB wireless dongle not detected Richard Hobson <hobsonrj@gmail.com> - 2019-07-18 17:20 +0200
        Re: Re: USB wireless dongle not detected Richard Hobson <rjhobson@myphone.coop> - 2019-07-18 17:20 +0200
          Re: Re: USB wireless dongle not detected deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2019-07-18 17:30 +0200
            Re: USB wireless dongle not detected Richard Hector <richard@walnut.gen.nz> - 2019-07-18 20:20 +0200
          Re: USB wireless dongle not detected Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-07-18 17:40 +0200
            Re: Re: USB wireless dongle not detected Richard Hobson <hobsonrj@gmail.com> - 2019-07-18 18:20 +0200
              Re: USB wireless dongle not detected Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-07-18 19:00 +0200
          Re: USB wireless dongle not detected Roger Price <debian@rogerprice.org> - 2019-07-18 17:50 +0200
          Re: Re: USB wireless dongle not detected Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2019-07-18 18:10 +0200
            Re: USB wireless dongle not detected Richard Hector <richard@walnut.gen.nz> - 2019-07-18 20:20 +0200
          Re: USB wireless dongle not detected Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2019-07-18 18:20 +0200
            Re: Re: USB wireless dongle not detected Richard Hobson <rjhobson@myphone.coop> - 2019-07-18 19:20 +0200
              Re: USB wireless dongle not detected Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2019-07-18 19:40 +0200
          Re: USB wireless dongle not detected Richard Hector <richard@walnut.gen.nz> - 2019-07-18 20:20 +0200
            Re: Re: USB wireless dongle not detected Richard Hobson <rjhobson@myphone.coop> - 2019-07-19 01:40 +0200

#211481 — Re: Re: USB wireless dongle not detected

ip r  - gives no output

ip a - too much output to transpose accurately but seems to find ethernet 
card (from MAC address given) and effectively tells me it isn't connected 
(which it isn't).

Any specific information you'd like me to convey?

R



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#211484

On Wednesday 17 July 2019 12:11:35 Richard Hobson wrote:

> ip r  - gives no output
>
r=route, should be at least one address.

> ip a - too much output to transpose accurately but seems to find
> ethernet card (from MAC address given) and effectively tells me it
> isn't connected (which it isn't).
>
> Any specific information you'd like me to convey?
>
> R
Are you perchance running a hosts file local net, behind a NATing router 
so all your local addresses are in the isolated 192.168.xx.yy block?

Oh, cat & paste your /etc/resolv.conf too, ditto for anything in 
the /etc/network/interfaces.d directory.
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On 18/07/19 7:49 AM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Wednesday 17 July 2019 12:11:35 Richard Hobson wrote:
> 
>> ip r  - gives no output
>>
> r=route, should be at least one address.

Not if there's no manual configuration and no working connections.

>> ip a - too much output to transpose accurately but seems to find
>> ethernet card (from MAC address given) and effectively tells me it
>> isn't connected (which it isn't).
>>
>> Any specific information you'd like me to convey?
>>
>> R
> Are you perchance running a hosts file local net, behind a NATing router 
> so all your local addresses are in the isolated 192.168.xx.yy block?
> 
> Oh, cat & paste your /etc/resolv.conf too, ditto for anything in 
> the /etc/network/interfaces.d directory.

All of that is unlikely to make a difference if there's no detected,
connected interface.

Richard, you haven't said why you don't want to use the card - can you
use it temporarily? That might at least let you get on line, and be able
to copy/paste things into email.

Richard

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#211507

Richard Hector wrote:

> Richard, you haven't said why you don't want to use the card - can you
> use it temporarily? That might at least let you get on line, and be able
> to copy/paste things into email.

The router is on the other side of a corridor which is used by my wife 
in a power wheelchair. I think a twisted pair cable would be in ribbons 
within a few passes.

R

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#211508

Richard Hector wrote:
> Richard, you haven't said why you don't want to use the card - can you
> use it temporarily? That might at least let you get on line, and be able
> to copy/paste things into email.

The router is on the other side of a corridor which is used by my wife 
in a power wheelchair. I think a twisted pair cable would be in ribbons 
within a few passes.

R

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#211511

Richard Hobson wrote:

> The router is on the other side of a corridor which is used by my wife
> in a power wheelchair. I think a twisted pair cable would be in ribbons
> within a few passes.

Modern PCs do not need twisted pair AFAIK

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On 19/07/19 3:22 AM, deloptes wrote:
> Richard Hobson wrote:
> 
>> The router is on the other side of a corridor which is used by my wife
>> in a power wheelchair. I think a twisted pair cable would be in ribbons
>> within a few passes.
> 
> Modern PCs do not need twisted pair AFAIK

Meaning you can use wifi? Or meaning you can use untwisted cables? I
don't think you'd get away with that - not for very far, anyway.

Richard

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#211512

On Thursday 18 July 2019 10:12:50 Richard Hobson wrote:

> Richard Hector wrote:
> > Richard, you haven't said why you don't want to use the card - can
> > you use it temporarily? That might at least let you get on line, and
> > be able to copy/paste things into email.
>
> The router is on the other side of a corridor which is used by my wife
> in a power wheelchair. I think a twisted pair cable would be in
> ribbons within a few passes.
>
> R

Chuckle. I have about 50 feet of cat-5, the rounded blue stuff, strung in 
a chinese handcuff on each end of a suspended run from a corner of my 
back porch roof to the apex of a 12x16 shed up on the hill which has 
some of my cnc machinery in it, been there since about 2002, and has 
survived a 112 mph direcho that took 4 of our 40 foot pine trees down 
and did $18000 damage to the house in 2010.  And its still there, 
logging no errors, right now in 2019.

You greatly underestimate the durability of that stuff. 
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 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
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 - Louis D. Brandeis
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#211516

Gene Heskett wrote:
> Chuckle. I have about 50 feet of cat-5, the rounded blue stuff, strung in 
> a chinese handcuff on each end of a suspended run from a corner of my 
> back porch roof to the apex of a 12x16 shed up on the hill which has 
> some of my cnc machinery in it, been there since about 2002, and has 
> survived a 112 mph direcho that took 4 of our 40 foot pine trees down 
> and did $18000 damage to the house in 2010.  And its still there, 
> logging no errors, right now in 2019.
> 
> You greatly underestimate the durability of that stuff. 

Try running 120kg of power wheelchair over it a few times with the 
weight concentrated through 4 small wheels and you'll soon see just how 
durable it is.

R

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#211521

On Thursday 18 July 2019 11:54:24 Richard Hobson wrote:

> Gene Heskett wrote:
> > Chuckle. I have about 50 feet of cat-5, the rounded blue stuff,
> > strung in a chinese handcuff on each end of a suspended run from a
> > corner of my back porch roof to the apex of a 12x16 shed up on the
> > hill which has some of my cnc machinery in it, been there since
> > about 2002, and has survived a 112 mph direcho that took 4 of our 40
> > foot pine trees down and did $18000 damage to the house in 2010. 
> > And its still there, logging no errors, right now in 2019.
> >
> > You greatly underestimate the durability of that stuff.
>
> Try running 120kg of power wheelchair over it a few times with the
> weight concentrated through 4 small wheels and you'll soon see just
> how durable it is.

If that worried about it, string it accross the ceiling to reach the 
other side of the corridor. A couple cup hooks ought to work just fine.


Cheers, Gene Heskett
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 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis
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#211513

On Thu, 18 Jul 2019, Richard Hobson wrote:

> The router is on the other side of a corridor which is used by my wife in a 
> power wheelchair.

I use a cable cover for this. Google for "floor cable cover".  Roger

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#211515

Richard Hobson wrote: 
> Richard Hector wrote:
> > Richard, you haven't said why you don't want to use the card - can you
> > use it temporarily? That might at least let you get on line, and be able
> > to copy/paste things into email.
> 
> The router is on the other side of a corridor which is used by my wife in a
> power wheelchair. I think a twisted pair cable would be in ribbons within a
> few passes.

Up and over is a good plan, too. If you can't go through the
ceiling, U-shaped staples to secure cables are cheap and
hammerable.

-dsr-

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On 19/07/19 4:02 AM, Dan Ritter wrote:
> Richard Hobson wrote: 
>> Richard Hector wrote:
>>> Richard, you haven't said why you don't want to use the card - can you
>>> use it temporarily? That might at least let you get on line, and be able
>>> to copy/paste things into email.
>>
>> The router is on the other side of a corridor which is used by my wife in a
>> power wheelchair. I think a twisted pair cable would be in ribbons within a
>> few passes.
> 
> Up and over is a good plan, too. If you can't go through the
> ceiling, U-shaped staples to secure cables are cheap and
> hammerable.

You really don't want the kind that will crush the cable. Plastic clips
are fine (with the nail on one side). Or I've used the plain staples
(generally used for wire fencing, around here, anyway) under the house,
with a cable-tie to hold the cable.

Running over the cable in a wheelchair is clearly a bad idea, too :-)

Richard

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On Thu, 18 Jul 2019 15:12:50 +0100
Richard Hobson <rjhobson@myphone.coop> wrote:

Hello Richard,

>The router is on the other side of a corridor which is used by my wife 
>in a power wheelchair. I think a twisted pair cable would be in ribbons 
>within a few passes.

Another suggestion;  Screw a couple of cup hooks into the ceiling for up
and over.  Since little weight will be carried, plugs etc. probably won't
be necessary.  If the cable use is a 'one off' one, afterwards the hooks
can be removed and the holes filled with toothpaste.

Yes, you read that right - toothpaste.  It's mostly china clay, after
all.  Plus, it'll leave the corridor smelling minty fresh.   :-)
Okay, that's not true;  There'll be so little paste used, you won't be
able to smell it at all.

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        / _)rad        never immediately apparent"
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#211524

I don't think "She who must be obeyed" would be happy with a cable 
protector, cables strung across the ceiling or anything else in our 
entrance hall, both for practical and aesthetic reasons.

I think we're getting a bit off topic, can we just accept that a cat5 
connection isn't possible unless it turns out that a temporary cable is 
the only way to fix this.

BTW My post about the cable appears twice, once sent from the wrong 
address. I sent again because I thought the list software would reject 
it from an unregistered address, but apparently not. Very odd.


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On Thu, 18 Jul 2019 18:01:58 +0100
Richard Hobson <rjhobson@myphone.coop> wrote:

Hello Richard,

>I don't think "She who must be obeyed" would be happy with a cable 
>protector, cables strung across the ceiling or anything else in our 

I hear you, brother.   :-)

My missus is the same.  Thankfully, when the property was built a
certain amount of ducting was fitted to allow for additional cabling, if
necessary.  It's about the only thing the builder got right.  The rest
of the house was shite.

>it from an unregistered address, but apparently not. Very odd.

It's not necessary to be subscribed to this list to post to it.  It's
unusual, I know.

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On 19/07/19 2:12 AM, Richard Hobson wrote:
> Richard Hector wrote:
>> Richard, you haven't said why you don't want to use the card - can you
>> use it temporarily? That might at least let you get on line, and be able
>> to copy/paste things into email.
> 
> The router is on the other side of a corridor which is used by my wife
> in a power wheelchair. I think a twisted pair cable would be in ribbons
> within a few passes.

Oh - I don't think you mentioned the USB device was actually WiFi.

As you were :-)

Richard

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#211539

Richard Hector wrote:
> Oh - I don't think you mentioned the USB device was actually WiFi.
> 
> As you were :-)

The clue is in the subject Richard

Do pay attention. :-)

Richard

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