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Psychedelic GUI after stable update to buster

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First post2019-07-13 00:00 +0200
Last post2019-07-14 00:20 +0200
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  Psychedelic GUI after stable update to buster hobie@rumormillnews.com - 2019-07-13 00:00 +0200
    Re: Psychedelic GUI after stable update to buster Charlie Kravetz <charlie@keepingdreams.com> - 2019-07-13 01:40 +0200
      Re: Psychedelic GUI after stable update to buster hobie@rumormillnews.com - 2019-07-13 02:30 +0200
        Re: Psychedelic GUI after stable update to buster Charlie Kravetz <charlie@keepingdreams.com> - 2019-07-13 05:10 +0200
          Re: Psychedelic GUI after stable update to buster hobie@rumormillnews.com - 2019-07-13 09:30 +0200
          Re: Psychedelic GUI after stable update to buster hobie@rumormillnews.com - 2019-07-13 09:50 +0200
            Re: Psychedelic GUI after stable update to buster "Alexander V. Makartsev" <avbetev@gmail.com> - 2019-07-13 10:10 +0200
              Re: Psychedelic GUI after stable update to buster hobie@rumormillnews.com - 2019-07-13 10:20 +0200
                Re: Psychedelic GUI after stable update to buster Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2019-07-13 10:50 +0200
                  Re: Psychedelic GUI after stable update to buster hobie@rumormillnews.com - 2019-07-14 02:40 +0200
                Re: Psychedelic GUI after stable update to buster "Alexander V. Makartsev" <avbetev@gmail.com> - 2019-07-13 11:10 +0200
                  Re: Psychedelic GUI after stable update to buster hobie@rumormillnews.com - 2019-07-14 00:10 +0200
                    Re: Psychedelic GUI after stable update to buster Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2019-07-14 01:30 +0200
                      Re: Psychedelic GUI after stable update to buster "Alexander V. Makartsev" <avbetev@gmail.com> - 2019-07-14 08:50 +0200
                        Re: Psychedelic GUI after stable update to buster hobie@rumormillnews.com - 2019-07-14 09:10 +0200
                          Re: Psychedelic GUI after stable update to buster Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2019-07-14 10:10 +0200
                          Re: Psychedelic GUI after stable update to buster "Alexander V. Makartsev" <avbetev@gmail.com> - 2019-07-14 19:10 +0200
                            Re: Psychedelic GUI after stable update to buster hobie@rumormillnews.com - 2019-07-17 01:00 +0200
                              Re: Psychedelic GUI after stable update to buster Étienne Mollier <etienne.mollier@mailoo.org> - 2019-07-17 12:20 +0200
                              Re: Psychedelic GUI after stable update to buster "Alexander V. Makartsev" <avbetev@gmail.com> - 2019-07-18 08:50 +0200
                        Re: Psychedelic GUI after stable update to buster Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2019-07-14 09:20 +0200
                        Re: Psychedelic GUI after stable update to buster Cindy Sue Causey <butterflybytes@gmail.com> - 2019-07-14 12:50 +0200
                          Re: Psychedelic GUI after stable update to buster Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2019-07-14 17:50 +0200
                            Re: Psychedelic GUI after stable update to buster Carl Fink <carlf@panix.com> - 2019-07-14 18:00 +0200
                Re: Psychedelic GUI after stable update to buster Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2019-07-13 12:50 +0200
                  Re: Psychedelic GUI after stable update to buster hobie@rumormillnews.com - 2019-07-14 00:20 +0200

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#211372

FromFelix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net>
Date2019-07-14 09:20 +0200
Message-ID<yjGXE-2NO-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#211369
Alexander V. Makartsev composed on 2019-07-14 11:48 (UTC+0500):

> Felix Miata wrote:

> To install "firmware-amd-graphics" package is a good suggestion.
> But chances are high that removal of *-ati and *-radeon packages will
> also remove Desktop Environment, because those packages are part of
> "xserver-xorg-video-all" package.
> I'd suggest a less radical approach and simply "tell" the system what
> driver to use via modprobe config files. [1]

Someone who has only a recent AMD GPU has no need for every DDX still provided by
Xorg, which is all the -all metapackage exists to bloat the installation with.
That metapackage typically prevents use of the often best available FOSS DDX,
modesetting, by Intel, AMD and NVidia GPUs.
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 Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks!

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#211377

FromCindy Sue Causey <butterflybytes@gmail.com>
Date2019-07-14 12:50 +0200
Message-ID<yjKeT-4GI-19@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#211369
On 7/14/19, Alexander V. Makartsev <avbetev@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 14.07.2019 4:20, Felix Miata wrote:
>> hobie@rumormillnews.com composed on 2019-07-13 18:07 (UTC-0400):
>>
>>> Where would I find "AMDGPU" and how would I get Xorg to use it?
>> These should cover it:
>> apt purge xserver-xorg-video-ati xserver-xorg-video-radeon
>> apt install xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu firmware-amd-graphics
> To install "firmware-amd-graphics" package is a good suggestion.
> But chances are high that removal of *-ati and *-radeon packages will
> also remove Desktop Environment, because those packages are part of
> "xserver-xorg-video-all" package.
> I'd suggest a less radical approach and simply "tell" the system what
> driver to use via modprobe config files. [1]
>
>
> [1] https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/AMDGPU


That page has a section titled "Specify the correct module order". I
don't think I can remember ever reading of the ability to do that so
I'm highlighting in case it helps anyone else. That's nice to know.

When I read you saying removal might snag Desktop Environment,
potential for module competition conflict due to the race to load
everything FAST at bootup came to mind. The ability to specify module
order would help take care of that.

PS I also encountered "libdrm-amdgpu1" via "apt-cache search" while
lurking along here. Am highlighting in case it either helps or needs a
"NO, don't ever try that if you don't have to" review.

Psychedelic sounds fun as a user CHOICE. I was hoping for a
printscreen. That's odd that it printed normal. I'm trying to wrap my
head around the computer's logic of how that would happen.

Cindy :)
-- 
Cindy-Sue Causey
Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA

* runs with birdseed *

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#211382

FromFelix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net>
Date2019-07-14 17:50 +0200
Message-ID<yjOVb-7At-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#211377
Cindy Sue Causey composed on 2019-07-14 06:47 (UTC-0400):

> Psychedelic sounds fun as a user CHOICE. I was hoping for a
> printscreen. That's odd that it printed normal. I'm trying to wrap my
> head around the computer's logic of how that would happen.

Sounds like a coincidence of hardware failure at the time of the upgrade. Is that
APU/GPU sharing system RAM? If so, a reseat of RAM modules might be a solution,
and overnight memtest86 (not memtest86+) might be in order. Maybe it's time to
find some other display to try. And the newer kernel might want some specific
cmdline option to keep AMD happy, maybe iommu.
https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/x86/x86_64/boot-options.txt
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 Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks!

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#211384

FromCarl Fink <carlf@panix.com>
Date2019-07-14 18:00 +0200
Message-ID<yjP4S-7DY-7@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#211382
On 7/14/19 11:47 AM, Felix Miata wrote:
> Cindy Sue Causey composed on 2019-07-14 06:47 (UTC-0400):
>
>> Psychedelic sounds fun as a user CHOICE. I was hoping for a
>> printscreen. That's odd that it printed normal. I'm trying to wrap my
>> head around the computer's logic of how that would happen.
> Sounds like a coincidence of hardware failure at the time of the upgrade. Is that
> APU/GPU sharing system RAM? If so, a reseat of RAM modules might be a solution,
> and overnight memtest86 (not memtest86+) might be in order. Maybe it's time to
> find some other display to try. And the newer kernel might want some specific
> cmdline option to keep AMD happy, maybe iommu.
> https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/x86/x86_64/boot-options.txt

Easy to test: boot the system using a USB live distribution of some 
kind. If
the video works, the problem is configuration. If the video fails 
identically,
problem is quite probably hardware.

-- 
Carl Fink                           nitpicking@nitpicking.com

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#211342

FromAndrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com>
Date2019-07-13 12:50 +0200
Message-ID<yjnLj-7zW-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#211338

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On Sb, 13 iul 19, 04:14:52, hobie@rumormillnews.com wrote:
> >
> Thanks -- the brand is AOC, connected via VGA cable

I've seen such interesting effects when a VGA cable was not connected 
properly.

You might want to check the cable and connection at both ends. 

Kind regards,
Andrei
-- 
http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser

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#211356

Fromhobie@rumormillnews.com
Date2019-07-14 00:20 +0200
Message-ID<yjyx4-5VC-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#211342
> On Sb, 13 iul 19, 04:14:52, hobie@rumormillnews.com wrote:
>> >
>> Thanks -- the brand is AOC, connected via VGA cable
>
> I've seen such interesting effects when a VGA cable was not connected
> properly.
>
> You might want to check the cable and connection at both ends.
>
> Kind regards,
> Andrei
> --
> http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser
>

Thanks - I recall that situation, too, from earlier days. :)  VGA cable is
tightly in place at both ends.  It's curious that this weirdness happened
immediately following the move of 'buster' to 'stable'.

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