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Re: please stop breaking threads (was: Problem Installing DiscoveryStudio2019 in Buster

Started bybw <bwtnguy@yahoo.com>
First post2019-07-09 18:00 +0200
Last post2019-07-10 06:10 +0200
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  Re: please stop breaking threads (was: Problem Installing  DiscoveryStudio2019 in Buster bw <bwtnguy@yahoo.com> - 2019-07-09 18:00 +0200
    Re: please stop breaking threads (was: Problem Installing  DiscoveryStudio2019 in Buster Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2019-07-09 18:10 +0200
    Re: please stop breaking threads (was: Problem Installing  DiscoveryStudio2019 in Buster Tixy <tixy@yxit.co.uk> - 2019-07-09 18:20 +0200
      Re: please stop breaking threads (was: Problem Installing  DiscoveryStudio2019 in Buster Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2019-07-09 18:30 +0200
        Re: please stop breaking threads (was: Problem Installing  DiscoveryStudio2019 in Buster Tixy <tixy@yxit.co.uk> - 2019-07-09 19:10 +0200
    Re: please stop breaking threads (was: Problem Installing  DiscoveryStudio2019 in Buster) kdall99@runbox.com - 2019-07-09 19:00 +0200
    Re: please stop breaking threads (was: Problem Installing  DiscoveryStudio2019 in Buster Eduardo M KALINOWSKI <eduardo@kalinowski.com.br> - 2019-07-10 01:50 +0200
      Re: please stop breaking threads (was: Problem Installing  DiscoveryStudio2019 in Buster Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2019-07-10 06:10 +0200

#211093 — Re: please stop breaking threads (was: Problem Installing DiscoveryStudio2019 in Buster

Frombw <bwtnguy@yahoo.com>
Date2019-07-09 18:00 +0200
SubjectRe: please stop breaking threads (was: Problem Installing DiscoveryStudio2019 in Buster
Message-ID<yi0H9-5f7-7@gated-at.bofh.it>

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>Bw, 9.7.2019 14:13 +0200:
>
>    In-Reply-To: <[????] 5D24796D.5050709@sbcglobal.net>
>
>Could you please stop this nonsense? You break every thread you 
>participate in. "In-Reply-To" is a message *header* field and as such 
>(surprise!) belongs into the header section of the message and not into 
>it's body, where you insist on putting it.
>
>Again: please stop this nonsense!

No Problem, Sorry To Offend... how's this look to ya?

I would subscribe, but there is a lot of (pointless) mail and I have 
limited bandwidth.  Until broadband is lower than my electric bill I am stuck with 
500MB per month.

Maybe you could spam/filter out my address permanently?

L8r,
bw

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#211094

FromReco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net>
Date2019-07-09 18:10 +0200
Message-ID<yi0QN-5xE-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#211093
	Hi.

On Tue, Jul 09, 2019 at 11:36:14AM -0400, bw wrote:
> >Bw, 9.7.2019 14:13 +0200:
> >
> >    In-Reply-To: <[????] 5D24796D.5050709@sbcglobal.net>
> >
> >Could you please stop this nonsense? You break every thread you 
> >participate in. "In-Reply-To" is a message *header* field and as such 
> >(surprise!) belongs into the header section of the message and not into 
> >it's body, where you insist on putting it.
> >
> >Again: please stop this nonsense!
> 
> No Problem, Sorry To Offend... how's this look to ya?

Much better. Please keep it this way from now on, many of the readers of
this list will appreciate it. Helps with the archive's consistency.

ktnxbye,
Reco

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#211095

FromTixy <tixy@yxit.co.uk>
Date2019-07-09 18:20 +0200
Message-ID<yi10t-5AN-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#211093
On Tue, 2019-07-09 at 11:36 -0400, bw wrote:
> > Bw, 9.7.2019 14:13 +0200:
> > 
> >    In-Reply-To: <[????] 5D24796D.5050709@sbcglobal.net>
> > 
> > Could you please stop this nonsense? You break every thread you 
> > participate in. "In-Reply-To" is a message *header* field and as
> > such 
> > (surprise!) belongs into the header section of the message and not
> > into 
> > it's body, where you insist on putting it.
> > 
> > Again: please stop this nonsense!
> 
> No Problem, Sorry To Offend... how's this look to ya?

Still broken because there is no 'In-Reply-To' or 'References' email
header. You've just removed it from the body text. (I'm not the person
who complained this time but I did in the past.)

-- 
Tixy

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#211096

FromReco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net>
Date2019-07-09 18:30 +0200
Message-ID<yi1a9-5DQ-7@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#211095
	Hi.

On Tue, Jul 09, 2019 at 05:14:13PM +0100, Tixy wrote:
> On Tue, 2019-07-09 at 11:36 -0400, bw wrote:
> > > Bw, 9.7.2019 14:13 +0200:
> > > 
> > >    In-Reply-To: <[????] 5D24796D.5050709@sbcglobal.net>
> > > 
> > > Could you please stop this nonsense? You break every thread you 
> > > participate in. "In-Reply-To" is a message *header* field and as
> > > such 
> > > (surprise!) belongs into the header section of the message and not
> > > into 
> > > it's body, where you insist on putting it.
> > > 
> > > Again: please stop this nonsense!
> > 
> > No Problem, Sorry To Offend... how's this look to ya?
> 
> Still broken because there is no 'In-Reply-To' or 'References' email
> header. You've just removed it from the body text. (I'm not the person
> who complained this time but I did in the past.)

I see it in that e-mail:

In-Reply-To: <2df0e302-4068-c81b-ffa7-b6cac0535aa9@runbox.com>

You mean you got the e-mail without it?


PS There's no References indeed.

Reco

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#211100

FromTixy <tixy@yxit.co.uk>
Date2019-07-09 19:10 +0200
Message-ID<yi1MR-66q-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#211096
On Tue, 2019-07-09 at 19:21 +0300, Reco wrote:
> 	Hi.
> 
> On Tue, Jul 09, 2019 at 05:14:13PM +0100, Tixy wrote:
[...]
> > Still broken because there is no 'In-Reply-To' or 'References'
> > email
> > header. You've just removed it from the body text. (I'm not the
> > person
> > who complained this time but I did in the past.)
> 
> I see it in that e-mail:
> 
> In-Reply-To: <2df0e302-4068-c81b-ffa7-b6cac0535aa9@runbox.com>
> 
> You mean you got the e-mail without it?

Correct, no In-Reply-To in the email I got, and the lists archives
don't show it as a reply to any other post...
https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2019/07/msg00584.html

And threaded list here shows it as a new top level post
https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2019/07/thrd2.html

-- 
Tixy

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#211097 — Re: please stop breaking threads (was: Problem Installing DiscoveryStudio2019 in Buster)

Fromkdall99@runbox.com
Date2019-07-09 19:00 +0200
SubjectRe: please stop breaking threads (was: Problem Installing DiscoveryStudio2019 in Buster)
Message-ID<yi1Db-5NE-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#211093
Bw, 9.7.2019 17:36 +0200:

 > No Problem, Sorry To Offend... how's this look to ya?

Hm, not sending an In-Reply-To header at all doesn't help - you've just 
started *another* new thread.
Put In-Reply-To in the message header where it belongs. Then - and only 
then - it will enable the mail clients of all the subscribers of this 
list to automatically know to which posting you replied to.

 > I would subscribe, but there is a lot of (pointless) mail and I have
 > limited bandwidth.  Until broadband is lower than my electric bill I 
am stuck with
 > 500MB per month.

OK, understood. But does the limitation *you* have to live with justify 
that you break threads for *all other* members of the list?

Maybe you could resume doing what you did 'till Oct 2018, when you did 
put the In-Reply-To header where it belongs:
<https://lists.debian.org/msgid-search/alpine.DEB.2.20.1810192036590.7736@debian>

 > Maybe you could spam/filter out my address permanently?

I could. But that would only help if no one ever replied to one of your 
replies. With every single one of you replies you create a new thread - 
regardless if I see it's root or filter it - since you've detached the 
(sub-)thread from it's origin.

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#211120

FromEduardo M KALINOWSKI <eduardo@kalinowski.com.br>
Date2019-07-10 01:50 +0200
Message-ID<yi81X-1eP-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#211093
On 9 de julho de 2019 11:36, bw wrote:
> I would subscribe, but there is a lot of (pointless) mail and I have 
> limited bandwidth.  Until broadband is lower than my electric bill I am stuck with 
> 500MB per month.

Any decent mail client should be able to download only metadata for messages (subject, etc), which is minimal amounts of data, and only fetching the actual bodies of the ones you want.

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#211128

FromAndrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com>
Date2019-07-10 06:10 +0200
Message-ID<yic5A-3Uw-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#211120

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On Ma, 09 iul 19, 16:53:40, Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote:
> 
> On 9 de julho de 2019 11:36, bw wrote:
> > I would subscribe, but there is a lot of (pointless) mail and I have 
> > limited bandwidth.  Until broadband is lower than my electric bill I am stuck with 
> > 500MB per month.
> 
> Any decent mail client should be able to download only metadata for 
> messages (subject, etc), which is minimal amounts of data, and only 
> fetching the actual bodies of the ones you want.
 
That sounds very much like IMAP, which I'm using as well with 
imapfilter, neomutt and a GMX account dedicated to receiving list e-mail 
only (virtually spam-free, knock on wood).

Gmail also offers IMAP, but their... unique implementation requires 
special handling in neo/mutt.

Kind regards,
Andrei
-- 
http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser

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