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Re: Assorted arm-buster problems #1

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  Re: Assorted arm-buster problems #1 Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-07-04 03:10 +0200
    Re: Assorted arm-buster problems - network configuration andreimpopescu@gmail.com - 2019-07-04 09:20 +0200
      Re: Assorted arm-buster problems - network configuration Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-07-04 10:50 +0200
        Re: Assorted arm-buster problems - network configuration Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2019-07-04 11:30 +0200
          Re: Assorted arm-buster problems - network configuration Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-07-04 11:50 +0200
        Re: Assorted arm-buster problems - network configuration mick crane <mick.crane@gmail.com> - 2019-07-04 12:20 +0200
          Re: Assorted arm-buster problems - network configuration Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-07-04 16:50 +0200
            Re: Assorted arm-buster problems - network configuration mick crane <mick.crane@gmail.com> - 2019-07-04 19:20 +0200
        Re: Assorted arm-buster problems - network configuration andreimpopescu@gmail.com - 2019-07-05 06:00 +0200
          Re: Assorted arm-buster problems - network configuration Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-07-05 12:40 +0200
            Re: Assorted arm-buster problems - network configuration Jonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk> - 2019-07-05 13:20 +0200
            Re: Assorted arm-buster problems - network configuration Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2019-07-05 14:50 +0200
              Re: Assorted arm-buster problems - network configuration Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2019-07-05 15:10 +0200
                Re: Assorted arm-buster problems - network configuration Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2019-07-05 15:20 +0200
                  Re: Assorted arm-buster problems - network configuration Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-07-06 02:30 +0200
              Re: Assorted arm-buster problems - network configuration Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-07-06 02:20 +0200
                Re: Assorted arm-buster problems - network configuration David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2019-07-06 15:50 +0200
                  Re: Assorted arm-buster problems - network configuration Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2019-07-08 14:40 +0200
                    Re: Assorted arm-buster problems - network configuration Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-07-08 15:00 +0200
                    Re: Assorted arm-buster problems - network configuration David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2019-07-08 16:30 +0200
            Re: Assorted arm-buster problems - network configuration andreimpopescu@gmail.com - 2019-07-06 07:30 +0200
      Re: Assorted arm-buster problems - network configuration Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-07-04 17:50 +0200
        Re: Assorted arm-buster problems - network configuration Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2019-07-04 18:20 +0200
          Re: Assorted arm-buster problems - network configuration Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-07-04 19:40 +0200
          Re: Assorted arm-buster problems - network configuration Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2019-07-04 21:10 +0200
            Re: Assorted arm-buster problems - network configuration Tixy <tixy@yxit.co.uk> - 2019-07-04 22:00 +0200
              Re: Assorted arm-buster problems - network configuration <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2019-07-04 22:10 +0200
                Re: Assorted arm-buster problems - network configuration Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2019-07-04 22:50 +0200
                  Re: Assorted arm-buster problems - network configuration <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2019-07-04 22:50 +0200
                    Re: Assorted arm-buster problems - network configuration Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-07-05 11:10 +0200
                  Re: Assorted arm-buster problems - network configuration Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2019-07-05 09:00 +0200
                    Re: Assorted arm-buster problems - network configuration Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2019-07-05 11:20 +0200
                      Re: Assorted arm-buster problems - network configuration Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-07-05 17:20 +0200
                        Re: Assorted arm-buster problems - network configuration Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2019-07-05 19:30 +0200
                        Re: Assorted arm-buster problems - network configuration Lee <ler762@gmail.com> - 2019-07-05 20:20 +0200
                    Re: Assorted arm-buster problems - network configuration Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-07-05 13:00 +0200
                      Re: Assorted arm-buster problems - network configuration Tixy <tixy@yxit.co.uk> - 2019-07-05 13:40 +0200
                        Re: Assorted arm-buster problems - network configuration Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-07-05 17:40 +0200
                      Re: Assorted arm-buster problems - network configuration Jonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk> - 2019-07-05 13:40 +0200
                        Re: Assorted arm-buster problems - network configuration Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-07-05 17:50 +0200
                          Re: Assorted arm-buster problems - network configuration Jonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk> - 2019-07-05 19:10 +0200
                            Re: Assorted arm-buster problems - network configuration Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-07-06 03:30 +0200
                      Re: Assorted arm-buster problems - network configuration <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2019-07-05 13:40 +0200
                        Re: Assorted arm-buster problems - network configuration Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-07-05 18:00 +0200
                      Re: Assorted arm-buster problems - network configuration Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2019-07-05 14:20 +0200
                        Re: Assorted arm-buster problems - network configuration Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-07-05 20:40 +0200
                        Re: Assorted arm-buster problems - network configuration andreimpopescu@gmail.com - 2019-07-06 06:40 +0200
                  Re: Assorted arm-buster problems - network configuration Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-07-05 10:40 +0200
                    Re: Assorted arm-buster problems - network configuration Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2019-07-05 11:20 +0200
                      Re: Assorted arm-buster problems - network configuration Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-07-05 16:30 +0200
                    Re: Assorted arm-buster problems - network configuration Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2019-07-05 15:10 +0200
                      Re: Assorted arm-buster problems - network configuration Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-07-06 02:20 +0200
                    Re: Assorted arm-buster problems - network configuration Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2019-07-05 21:30 +0200
                      Re: Assorted arm-buster problems - network configuration Lee <ler762@gmail.com> - 2019-07-05 22:20 +0200
                        Re: Assorted arm-buster problems - network configuration Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2019-07-05 22:30 +0200
                          Re: Assorted arm-buster problems - network configuration <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2019-07-05 22:50 +0200
                            Re: Assorted arm-buster problems - network configuration Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2019-07-06 10:20 +0200
                              Re: Assorted arm-buster problems - network configuration <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2019-07-06 12:50 +0200
                              Re: Assorted arm-buster problems - network configuration Lee <ler762@gmail.com> - 2019-07-06 21:40 +0200
                                Re: Assorted arm-buster problems - network configuration andreimpopescu@gmail.com - 2019-07-07 08:50 +0200
                                  Re: Assorted arm-buster problems - network configuration Lee <ler762@gmail.com> - 2019-07-08 19:40 +0200
                                    Re: Assorted arm-buster problems - network configuration Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2019-07-08 20:10 +0200
                                      Re: Assorted arm-buster problems - network configuration Lee <ler762@gmail.com> - 2019-07-08 20:50 +0200
                                        Re: Assorted arm-buster problems - network configuration Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-07-08 21:50 +0200
                                          Re: Assorted arm-buster problems - network configuration Lee <ler762@gmail.com> - 2019-07-08 23:20 +0200
                                    Re: Assorted arm-buster problems - network configuration Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2019-07-08 21:20 +0200
                                Re: Assorted arm-buster problems - network configuration Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2019-07-07 11:00 +0200
                                  Re: Assorted arm-buster problems - network configuration Lee <ler762@gmail.com> - 2019-07-08 19:50 +0200
                      Re: Assorted arm-buster problems - network configuration Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-07-06 03:40 +0200
                        Re: Assorted arm-buster problems - network configuration Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2019-07-06 21:40 +0200
                          Re: Assorted arm-buster problems - network configuration Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-07-07 00:20 +0200
                            Re: Assorted arm-buster problems - network configuration David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2019-07-07 06:20 +0200
                              Re: Assorted arm-buster problems - network configuration Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-07-07 07:00 +0200
                                Re: Assorted arm-buster problems - network configuration David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2019-07-07 17:10 +0200
                            Re: Assorted arm-buster problems - network configuration andreimpopescu@gmail.com - 2019-07-07 09:00 +0200
                              Re: Assorted arm-buster problems - network configuration Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-07-07 13:20 +0200
                                Re: Assorted arm-buster problems - network configuration Jonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk> - 2019-07-07 14:50 +0200
                                Re: Assorted arm-buster problems - network configuration Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2019-07-07 18:30 +0200
                                  Re: Assorted arm-buster problems - network configuration Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-07-07 23:00 +0200
                              Re: Assorted arm-buster problems - network configuration Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2019-07-07 22:00 +0200
                            Re: Assorted arm-buster problems - network configuration Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2019-07-08 20:30 +0200
                Re: Assorted arm-buster problems - network configuration Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-07-04 23:00 +0200
        Re: Assorted arm-buster problems - network configuration Lee <ler762@gmail.com> - 2019-07-04 19:50 +0200
        Re: Assorted arm-buster problems - network configuration andreimpopescu@gmail.com - 2019-07-04 22:50 +0200
          Re: Assorted arm-buster problems - network configuration Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-07-05 12:10 +0200
            Re: Assorted arm-buster problems - network configuration David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2019-07-05 18:10 +0200
              Re: Assorted arm-buster problems - network configuration Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-07-06 03:20 +0200
                Re: Assorted arm-buster problems - network configuration andreimpopescu@gmail.com - 2019-07-06 07:10 +0200
                Re: Assorted arm-buster problems - network configuration David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2019-07-06 18:10 +0200
                  Re: Assorted arm-buster problems - network configuration Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-07-07 02:40 +0200
                    Re: Assorted arm-buster problems - network configuration Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-07-07 03:40 +0200
                      Re: Assorted arm-buster problems - network configuration David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2019-07-07 06:30 +0200
                    Re: Assorted arm-buster problems - network configuration andreimpopescu@gmail.com - 2019-07-07 09:10 +0200
                      Re: Assorted arm-buster problems - network configuration Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-07-07 13:30 +0200

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#210698 — Re: Assorted arm-buster problems #1

FromGene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net>
Date2019-07-04 03:10 +0200
SubjectRe: Assorted arm-buster problems #1
Message-ID<yfYq5-4sr-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
On Wednesday 03 July 2019 16:12:31 Reco wrote:

And Gene moved. Question unanswered yet.
> 	Hi.
>
> On Wed, Jul 03, 2019 at 02:57:35PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > Regardless of what I do, I cannot get rid of the avahi junk in an ip
> > a report, so my local 192.168.xx.nn/24 net is the only thing that
> > works. pinging a net name like yahoo.com gets me a successful
> > address. But no response from yahoo because its sending the ping
> > from an avahi based address, which since thats outside of my /24
> > netmask, doesn't get thru the router.
> >
> > So, how do I get rid of the avahi stuff?
> >
> > I've a nominally 10 machine 192.168.nn.xx that is 100% static based
> > on host files so I want avahi absolutely and totally neutered,
> > emasculated, gone Forever plus 100 years at least.
> >
> > How can I do that?
>
> Just a friendly advise. Consider moving this to debian-user, as this
> particular problem is not ARM-specific.
>
> Also please consider posting all future similar problems (involving
> configuration of a resolver, IP routing and package management) to
> debian-user.
>
> Thank you in advance, Reco


Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis
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#210704 — Re: Assorted arm-buster problems - network configuration

Fromandreimpopescu@gmail.com
Date2019-07-04 09:20 +0200
SubjectRe: Assorted arm-buster problems - network configuration
Message-ID<yg4c9-7YP-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#210698

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On Mi, 03 iul 19, 21:03:19, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Wednesday 03 July 2019 16:12:31 Reco wrote:
> 
> And Gene moved. Question unanswered yet.
> > 	Hi.
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 03, 2019 at 02:57:35PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > Regardless of what I do, I cannot get rid of the avahi junk in an ip
> > > a report, so my local 192.168.xx.nn/24 net is the only thing that
> > > works. pinging a net name like yahoo.com gets me a successful
> > > address. But no response from yahoo because its sending the ping
> > > from an avahi based address, which since thats outside of my /24
> > > netmask, doesn't get thru the router.
> > >
> > > So, how do I get rid of the avahi stuff?
> > >
> > > I've a nominally 10 machine 192.168.nn.xx that is 100% static based
> > > on host files so I want avahi absolutely and totally neutered,
> > > emasculated, gone Forever plus 100 years at least.
> > >
> > > How can I do that?

It's not necessarily avahi doing that. A DHCP client might also 
configure a 169.254.*.* address for you if it doesn't receive a reply.

In order to have the slightest chance of helping you it is necessary for 
you to provide the information as per below.

Files should preferably be attached, to avoid issues with copy-paste. 

Please do not edit anything except to obscure private information (e.g. 
passwords or a public IP you don't want to post).


1. content of /etc/network/interfaces and all files under 
/etc/network/interfaces.d/

(I seem to recall you are using ifupdown)

2. Full output of:
apt list --installed 'network-manager*' # might be empty
apt list --installed 'avahi*' # might be empty
systemctl status systemd-networkd
ip a # short for 'ip address'
ip r # short for 'ip route'

3. Information on anything (and I do mean anything) else you might have 
done to your network configuration after installing buster, including 
but not limited to:
 * installing stuff, especially if from source
 * removing stuff (especially if not 'purged', dpkg -l would tell)
 * manual changes to files (deletions/permissions/etc.
 (especially those unnecessary "fixes" you call "neutering")

For the record/archives: other users are not seeing your problems.

Buster is - at least for me - the best Debian release yet.

The problems you are seeing are, at least partially, of your own doing, 
most likely due to wrong configuration and an approach of using the 
equivalent of a shotgun to kill a fly and then complaining your walls 
are full of holes.

Kind regards,
Andrei
-- 
http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser

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#210707 — Re: Assorted arm-buster problems - network configuration

FromGene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net>
Date2019-07-04 10:50 +0200
SubjectRe: Assorted arm-buster problems - network configuration
Message-ID<yg5Bg-fH-13@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#210704
On Thursday 04 July 2019 03:16:31 andreimpopescu@gmail.com wrote:

> On Mi, 03 iul 19, 21:03:19, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Wednesday 03 July 2019 16:12:31 Reco wrote:
> >
> > And Gene moved. Question unanswered yet.
> >
> > > 	Hi.
> > >
> > > On Wed, Jul 03, 2019 at 02:57:35PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > > Regardless of what I do, I cannot get rid of the avahi junk in
> > > > an ip a report, so my local 192.168.xx.nn/24 net is the only
> > > > thing that works. pinging a net name like yahoo.com gets me a
> > > > successful address. But no response from yahoo because its
> > > > sending the ping from an avahi based address, which since thats
> > > > outside of my /24 netmask, doesn't get thru the router.
> > > >
> > > > So, how do I get rid of the avahi stuff?
> > > >
> > > > I've a nominally 10 machine 192.168.nn.xx that is 100% static
> > > > based on host files so I want avahi absolutely and totally
> > > > neutered, emasculated, gone Forever plus 100 years at least.
> > > >
> > > > How can I do that?
>
> It's not necessarily avahi doing that. A DHCP client might also
> configure a 169.254.*.* address for you if it doesn't receive a reply.
>
> In order to have the slightest chance of helping you it is necessary
> for you to provide the information as per below.
>
> Files should preferably be attached, to avoid issues with copy-paste.
>
> Please do not edit anything except to obscure private information
> (e.g. passwords or a public IP you don't want to post).
>
>
> 1. content of /etc/network/interfaces and all files under
> /etc/network/interfaces.d/
>
> (I seem to recall you are using ifupdown)
>
> 2. Full output of:
> apt list --installed 'network-manager*' # might be empty
> apt list --installed 'avahi*' # might be empty
> systemctl status systemd-networkd
> ip a # short for 'ip address'
> ip r # short for 'ip route'
>
> 3. Information on anything (and I do mean anything) else you might
> have done to your network configuration after installing buster,
> including but not limited to:
>  * installing stuff, especially if from source
First, on a u-booting raspi you don't "install". You either download an 
image and put it on a u-sd card with dd, or you generate your own image.

Which is what I have done by using a utility from guysoft called 
RealtimePi, which takes the June 20th version of raspian buster lite 
apart, and supposedly puts it back together with a realtime patched 
version of a compatible kernel, which should have been a 4.19.50-rt-v7 
kernel, but when put on a u-sd, and the u-sd booted, turns out to have 
the unpatched kernel in it.  Why I watched it spend an hour building the 
older 4.4.114-rt-v7 kernel and then it didn't use it is something I have 
not found yet in the build.log. Which I can't get to ATM because ssh 
isn't working either.

I can't get any of that until I can make ssh work, which it is not at the 
moment. ISTR if I restart it from its own console, it might work. 
Depends on the phase of the moon because it might decide to use the 169 
addresses for everything. these two lines at the top of /e/n/i.d/eth0

auto eth0
iface eth0 inet static

is supposed to tell n-m and company to keep their hands off that 
interface, and plainly it is not. It is totally ignoreing the rest of 
that file, so while I may get a valid address, but not one fixed 
gateway|route.  Sitting here. playing with ip on this machine, I finally 
figured out how to get rid of the 169.254.xx.yy trash in the eth0 setup, 
and its possible I might be able to put a postup command or two to clean 
house and make it work, like I did with stretch on a rock64.

>  * removing stuff (especially if not 'purged', dpkg -l would tell)
>  * manual changes to files (deletions/permissions/etc.
>  (especially those unnecessary "fixes" you call "neutering")

I will do whatever it takes to make it "Just Work". But so much has been 
changed with buster that I don't really know where to start. Jessie ran 
good, but realtime wasn't as real as needed, stretch runs a much better 
realtime, but each "upgrade" has been harder and harder to make the 
networking Just Work.

> For the record/archives: other users are not seeing your problems.

Am I the only holdout on the whole English speaking planet still useing 
static networking configs?  I really, seriously, doubt that. But I will 
state that every release newer than wheezy has made it progressively 
more difficult to make a staticly defined network work. Way too many 
chefs stirring in the same pot is how I see it.

> Buster is - at least for me - the best Debian release yet.

It may well be, but its worthless to me running in a Faraday cage because 
I cannot control the networking. And its worthless to me until I can get 
a realtime kernel built into the u-sd. I  build this stuff to do a job, 
and if it can't do the job, I've got 1500 lbs of cast iron I can't 
control to make it move.

> The problems you are seeing are, at least partially, of your own
> doing, most likely due to wrong configuration and an approach of using
> the equivalent of a shotgun to kill a fly and then complaining your
> walls are full of holes.

Sorry, I don't see it that way, I see a concentrated effort to make me 
use dhcpd, instead of static, every machine in the system knows the 
address of ALL the other machines on my local 192.168.xx.nn/24 network.

Using dhcp means I'd have to setup a 2nd this side of my router. I will 
try to make ssh work later today, and I will reanswer this message if I 
can do that.

> Kind regards,
> Andrei


Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#210708 — Re: Assorted arm-buster problems - network configuration

FromFelix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net>
Date2019-07-04 11:30 +0200
SubjectRe: Assorted arm-buster problems - network configuration
Message-ID<yg6dX-HM-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#210707
Gene Heskett composed on 2019-07-04 04:42 (UTC-0400):

> every release newer than wheezy has made it progressively 
> more difficult to make a staticly defined network work.
Given the myriad of successes in your 8+ decades, I'm baffled that you are
continually flummoxed by fixed IP networking. Maybe it's because I only use X86
hardware, but DHCP is the only thing that has given me any trouble lately, and
that's only because of a NIC driver that is apparently quite broken. Fixed IP here
just continues to work as before. Could it be because I've been planting
net.ifnames=0 on every cmdline since before Wheezy, along with
70-persistent-net.rules (which seems unnecessary any more), and a shared hosts file?
-- 
Evolution as taught in public schools is religion, not science.

 Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks!

Felix Miata  ***  http://fm.no-ip.com/

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#210709 — Re: Assorted arm-buster problems - network configuration

FromGene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net>
Date2019-07-04 11:50 +0200
SubjectRe: Assorted arm-buster problems - network configuration
Message-ID<yg6xj-O6-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#210708
On Thursday 04 July 2019 05:25:05 Felix Miata wrote:

> Gene Heskett composed on 2019-07-04 04:42 (UTC-0400):
> > every release newer than wheezy has made it progressively
> > more difficult to make a staticly defined network work.
>
> Given the myriad of successes in your 8+ decades, I'm baffled that you
> are continually flummoxed by fixed IP networking. Maybe it's because I
> only use X86 hardware, but DHCP is the only thing that has given me
> any trouble lately, and that's only because of a NIC driver that is
> apparently quite broken. Fixed IP here just continues to work as
> before. Could it be because I've been planting net.ifnames=0 on every
> cmdline since before Wheezy, along with 70-persistent-net.rules (which
> seems unnecessary any more), and a shared hosts file?

The shared hosts file has been a feature here since the second came 
online it round '00 to run an harbor freight milling machine, 

And I'm not sure in a pi's config, where to put the net.ifnames=0.

/boot/cmdline.txt maybe?  You have grub to splice all that together, but 
the pi's are u-boot, as most of the arm stuff is. But with the pi4 
coming online, with 4Gigs a dram, I'd sure like to see grub-2 ported to 
arms.  That would greatly simplicate kernel swapping.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
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#210710 — Re: Assorted arm-buster problems - network configuration

Frommick crane <mick.crane@gmail.com>
Date2019-07-04 12:20 +0200
SubjectRe: Assorted arm-buster problems - network configuration
Message-ID<yg70l-1de-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#210707
On 2019-07-04 09:42, Gene Heskett wrote:
<snipped>
> Sorry, I don't see it that way, I see a concentrated effort to make me
> use dhcpd, instead of static, every machine in the system knows the
> address of ALL the other machines on my local 192.168.xx.nn/24 network.
> 
> Using dhcp means I'd have to setup a 2nd this side of my router. I will
> try to make ssh work later today, and I will reanswer this message if I
> can do that.

I like having ipfire or pfsense  on a separate box doing DHCP server.
you can make other PCs static by making their lease fixed.
and then everything is in one place.
well that's how I understand it anyway.

mick.

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#210716 — Re: Assorted arm-buster problems - network configuration

FromGene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net>
Date2019-07-04 16:50 +0200
SubjectRe: Assorted arm-buster problems - network configuration
Message-ID<ygbdD-3Bo-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#210710
On Thursday 04 July 2019 06:15:56 mick crane wrote:

> On 2019-07-04 09:42, Gene Heskett wrote:
> <snipped>
>
> > Sorry, I don't see it that way, I see a concentrated effort to make
> > me use dhcpd, instead of static, every machine in the system knows
> > the address of ALL the other machines on my local 192.168.xx.nn/24
> > network.
> >
> > Using dhcp means I'd have to setup a 2nd this side of my router. I
> > will try to make ssh work later today, and I will reanswer this
> > message if I can do that.
>
> I like having ipfire or pfsense  on a separate box doing DHCP server.
> you can make other PCs static by making their lease fixed.
> and then everything is in one place.
> well that's how I understand it anyway.
>
> mick.
I do have a dhcpd configured in dd-wrt. but its set to only respond to 
the MAC's of my sons smartfones when they come by and I enable the 
radio. That way their phones can use my bandwidth. If I could control 
which way those are bridged so the local AMC's see locals at fixed 
addresses, while the wifi stuff is bridged only to the internet, that 
would be ideal.  But I don't believe I can control the bridge direction 
based on the MAC of the client. So I'd have to setup a separate server, 
ideally in the distribution switch, that assigned a dhcp address 
according to the incoming MAC. In my lashup, I have a managed switch, 
but its running the default setup which does not enable a dhcpd, if it 
even has one.  And I can't think of a way to ping picnc, and reliably 
hit 192.168.xx.yy, the address of picnc. Using host files for local dns 
is so much simpler.

Now I've been standing in front of its monitor for about an hour, a neck 
breaker because its well above my eye level. With NIX-Crafts ip tutorial 
in hand, trying to get rid of the default route in the 169.254 range, 
and while it may not return a syntax error thats usually gibberish, 
showing something thats totally disconnected from what I told it to do, 
there is no way in hell to delete the 169.junk from an ip r report. And 
this is with a sudo in front of whatever.

If I try to ping yahoo.com it properly asks my isp's dns for an address 
for yahoo, gets it and displays it but then pings it from the 169 
address, which is of coarse sent to /dev/null in the router if it even 
gets that far as it must traverse the switch to get that far.

I've tried to dpkg --purge the dhcp* stuff I can see, but dpkg says its 
not installed so it must be in the kernel, a non-realtime 4.19.50 for 
armhf.  So unless someone can tell me how to nuke, or at least change 
its preference for the 169 crap as defaults, this rpi-3b will never be 
able to run on buster. I must be able to make it use the 
192.168.nn.hostname-address for everything. But something is overriding 
me.

What is it?  And can I nuke or otherwise disable it?

The scripts in /etc/init.d for both avahi-daemon and dhcpd have been 
removed by rm.  Made absolutely zero difference to an ip a or ip r 
report. I can only conclude that systemd thinks its smarter than me. I 
have armbian installed on a rock64, and there I had a heck of a time 
with the stretch version of this same routing problem, but duplicating 
that setup on buster, and getting working results cannot be done with 
the tools at hand.

Someone gave me a link to a systemd tut, a pdf I was gonna print but its 
almost 40 pages thats both 5 years out of date, and by page 2 has 
dissolved into undecypherable jargon that needs translated to working 
English. Is there an uptodate one for dummies that actually covers 
buster?

Thanks everybody.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis
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#210725 — Re: Assorted arm-buster problems - network configuration

Frommick crane <mick.crane@gmail.com>
Date2019-07-04 19:20 +0200
SubjectRe: Assorted arm-buster problems - network configuration
Message-ID<ygdyN-57z-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#210716
On 2019-07-04 15:40, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Thursday 04 July 2019 06:15:56 mick crane wrote:
> 
>> On 2019-07-04 09:42, Gene Heskett wrote:
>> <snipped>
>> 
>> > Sorry, I don't see it that way, I see a concentrated effort to make
>> > me use dhcpd, instead of static, every machine in the system knows
>> > the address of ALL the other machines on my local 192.168.xx.nn/24
>> > network.
>> >
>> > Using dhcp means I'd have to setup a 2nd this side of my router. I
>> > will try to make ssh work later today, and I will reanswer this
>> > message if I can do that.
>> 
>> I like having ipfire or pfsense  on a separate box doing DHCP server.
>> you can make other PCs static by making their lease fixed.
>> and then everything is in one place.
>> well that's how I understand it anyway.
>> 
>> mick.
> I do have a dhcpd configured in dd-wrt. but its set to only respond to
> the MAC's of my sons smartfones when they come by and I enable the
> radio. That way their phones can use my bandwidth. If I could control
> which way those are bridged so the local AMC's see locals at fixed
> addresses, while the wifi stuff is bridged only to the internet, that
> would be ideal.

pfsense, ipfire have got handy web GUI's for all that.
I have WAP plugged in that is blocked to the local network but allowed 
to the internet.

got to say I admire your tenacity.

cheers

mick

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#210742 — Re: Assorted arm-buster problems - network configuration

Fromandreimpopescu@gmail.com
Date2019-07-05 06:00 +0200
SubjectRe: Assorted arm-buster problems - network configuration
Message-ID<ygny9-3Aw-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#210707

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On Jo, 04 iul 19, 04:42:40, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Thursday 04 July 2019 03:16:31 andreimpopescu@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> > 3. Information on anything (and I do mean anything) else you might
> > have done to your network configuration after installing buster,
> > including but not limited to:
> >  * installing stuff, especially if from source
> First, on a u-booting raspi you don't "install". You either download an 
> image and put it on a u-sd card with dd, or you generate your own image.
> 
> Which is what I have done by using a utility from guysoft called 
> RealtimePi, which takes the June 20th version of raspian buster lite 
> apart, and supposedly puts it back together with a realtime patched 
> version of a compatible kernel, which should have been a 4.19.50-rt-v7 
> kernel, but when put on a u-sd, and the u-sd booted, turns out to have 
> the unpatched kernel in it.  Why I watched it spend an hour building the 
> older 4.4.114-rt-v7 kernel and then it didn't use it is something I have 
> not found yet in the build.log. Which I can't get to ATM because ssh 
> isn't working either.

Just the fact that you are running Raspbian instead of pure Debian is 
already an important clue and possibly a major hindrance in helping you 
(we don't know what other customizations have been done to that).

I will bet you this though: that image has usable dpkg and apt. If I'm 
right, do you promise to put the "shotgun" away? :)

If I'm wrong I offer to dig up my Raspberry Pi and try to reproduce your 
problems.

Kind regards,
Andrei
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#210756 — Re: Assorted arm-buster problems - network configuration

FromGene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net>
Date2019-07-05 12:40 +0200
SubjectRe: Assorted arm-buster problems - network configuration
Message-ID<ygtNf-7o5-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#210742
On Thursday 04 July 2019 23:54:21 andreimpopescu@gmail.com wrote:

> On Jo, 04 iul 19, 04:42:40, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Thursday 04 July 2019 03:16:31 andreimpopescu@gmail.com wrote:
> > > 3. Information on anything (and I do mean anything) else you might
> > > have done to your network configuration after installing buster,
> > > including but not limited to:
> > >  * installing stuff, especially if from source
> >
> > First, on a u-booting raspi you don't "install". You either download
> > an image and put it on a u-sd card with dd, or you generate your own
> > image.
> >
> > Which is what I have done by using a utility from guysoft called
> > RealtimePi, which takes the June 20th version of raspian buster lite
> > apart, and supposedly puts it back together with a realtime patched
> > version of a compatible kernel, which should have been a
> > 4.19.50-rt-v7 kernel, but when put on a u-sd, and the u-sd booted,
> > turns out to have the unpatched kernel in it.  Why I watched it
> > spend an hour building the older 4.4.114-rt-v7 kernel and then it
> > didn't use it is something I have not found yet in the build.log.
> > Which I can't get to ATM because ssh isn't working either.
>
> Just the fact that you are running Raspbian instead of pure Debian is
> already an important clue and possibly a major hindrance in helping
> you (we don't know what other customizations have been done to that).
>
Humm, someplace, in the last week, I read on a debian site, that raspian 
was the officially supported armhf version of debian ???  Or was that my 
imagination, out to play without a chaperone?
   
> I will bet you this though: that image has usable dpkg and apt. If I'm
> right, do you promise to put the "shotgun" away? :)

yup, and if the repos were open...  They are not as I've previously 
posted. I can report that apt --purge does not, I still see 
an /etc/nsswitch.conf, even though ts been purged.

> If I'm wrong I offer to dig up my Raspberry Pi and try to reproduce
> your problems.

I have solved both problems, so that won't be needed.  OTOH, I would be 
interested in how you might make anything newer than wheezy actually 
work on a staticly defined host file based network without a dhcpd 
server on any machine accessible to the local network.  Even wheezy took 
some mods to make it work starting with setting a chattr +i on 
everything network related because that N-M had not yet been taught to 
leave a 'static' defined network alone, or you could load up a root copy 
of mc, and nuke anything that looked like it belonged to N-M. It didn't 
spam the logs with squawks about the immutable flags, so that was a 
plus.

> Kind regards,
> Andrei

Thanks Andrei.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis
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#210759 — Re: Assorted arm-buster problems - network configuration

FromJonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk>
Date2019-07-05 13:20 +0200
SubjectRe: Assorted arm-buster problems - network configuration
Message-ID<ygupX-7Qz-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#210756

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Quoting Gene Heskett (2019-07-05 12:35:53)
> On Thursday 04 July 2019 23:54:21 andreimpopescu@gmail.com wrote:
> > Just the fact that you are running Raspbian instead of pure Debian 
> > is already an important clue and possibly a major hindrance in 
> > helping you (we don't know what other customizations have been done 
> > to that).
> >
> Humm, someplace, in the last week, I read on a debian site, that 
> raspian was the officially supported armhf version of debian ???  Or 
> was that my imagination, out to play without a chaperone?

Raspbian is a _derivative_ of Debian, not official Debian: 
https://wiki.debian.org/Derivatives/Census/Raspbian


 - Jonas

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#210769 — Re: Assorted arm-buster problems - network configuration

FromGreg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org>
Date2019-07-05 14:50 +0200
SubjectRe: Assorted arm-buster problems - network configuration
Message-ID<ygvP3-67-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#210756
On Fri, Jul 05, 2019 at 06:35:53AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> yup, and if the repos were open...  They are not as I've previously 
> posted. I can report that apt --purge does not, I still see 
> an /etc/nsswitch.conf, even though ts been purged.

... what.

Gene, /etc/nsswitch.conf is NOT part of any Debian package.  It's part
of the core installation.  It is absolutely fundamental to the operation
of basically every single piece of the operating system above the
boot loader, the kernel, the ld.so shared library loader, and libc.

If you remove /etc/nsswitch.conf, you won't be able to look up user names,
or service port names, or host names, or basically *any* kind of names of
anything at all.  (Or, at best, you'll get some sort of default behavior
compiled into the C library routines, if any.)

wooledg:~$ dpkg -S /etc/nsswitch.conf
dpkg-query: no path found matching pattern /etc/nsswitch.conf

Since nsswitch.conf isn't part of a package, there is absolutely no reason
you should think that purging ANY package would remove it.  And there is
absolutely no reason you should *want* to remove it.

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#210771 — Re: Assorted arm-buster problems - network configuration

FromReco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net>
Date2019-07-05 15:10 +0200
SubjectRe: Assorted arm-buster problems - network configuration
Message-ID<ygw8p-rI-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#210769
	Hi.

On Fri, Jul 05, 2019 at 08:41:47AM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 05, 2019 at 06:35:53AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > yup, and if the repos were open...  They are not as I've previously 
> > posted. I can report that apt --purge does not, I still see 
> > an /etc/nsswitch.conf, even though ts been purged.
> 
> ... what.
> 
> Gene, /etc/nsswitch.conf is NOT part of any Debian package.

Actually, nsswitch.conf is created by postinst script of libc-bin
package, to technically nsswitch.conf is a part of libc-bin.

> It's part of the core installation.  It is absolutely fundamental to
> the operation of basically every single piece of the operating system
> above the boot loader, the kernel, the ld.so shared library loader,
> and libc.

nsswitch.conf(5) says:

The Name Service Switch (NSS) configuration file, /etc/nsswitch.conf, is
used by the GNU C Library...


> wooledg:~$ dpkg -S /etc/nsswitch.conf
> dpkg-query: no path found matching pattern /etc/nsswitch.conf

grep nsswitch /var/lib/dpkg/info/*

Reco

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#210772 — Re: Assorted arm-buster problems - network configuration

FromGreg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org>
Date2019-07-05 15:20 +0200
SubjectRe: Assorted arm-buster problems - network configuration
Message-ID<ygwi6-uU-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#210771
On Fri, Jul 05, 2019 at 04:02:36PM +0300, Reco wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 05, 2019 at 08:41:47AM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> > Gene, /etc/nsswitch.conf is NOT part of any Debian package.
> 
> Actually, nsswitch.conf is created by postinst script of libc-bin
> package, to technically nsswitch.conf is a part of libc-bin.

Even if it's created by libc-bin's postinst, it still wouldn't be removed
when libc-bin is (hypothetically) purged, because it's not a registered
conffile of that package.

Of course, one should NOT purge libc-bin.

wooledg:~$ dpkg -s libc-bin
Package: libc-bin
Essential: yes
[...]
Conffiles:
 /etc/bindresvport.blacklist 4c09213317e4e3dd3c71d74404e503c5
 /etc/default/nss d6d5d6f621fb3ead2548076ce81e309c
 /etc/gai.conf 28fa76ff5a9e0566eaa1e11f1ce51f09
 /etc/ld.so.conf 4317c6de8564b68d628c21efa96b37e4
 /etc/ld.so.conf.d/libc.conf d4d833fd095fb7b90e1bb4a547f16de6
[...]

Whatever Gene did, it's absolutely not normal or desirable for
nsswitch.conf to vanish.  I still think he deleted it by hand and then
forgot the exact sequence of steps which led to its disappearance, so
he simply blamed it on purging ahavi-daemon.

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#210818 — Re: Assorted arm-buster problems - network configuration

FromGene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net>
Date2019-07-06 02:30 +0200
SubjectRe: Assorted arm-buster problems - network configuration
Message-ID<ygGKt-6BA-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#210772
On Friday 05 July 2019 09:17:47 Greg Wooledge wrote:

> On Fri, Jul 05, 2019 at 04:02:36PM +0300, Reco wrote:
> > On Fri, Jul 05, 2019 at 08:41:47AM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> > > Gene, /etc/nsswitch.conf is NOT part of any Debian package.
> >
> > Actually, nsswitch.conf is created by postinst script of libc-bin
> > package, to technically nsswitch.conf is a part of libc-bin.
>
> Even if it's created by libc-bin's postinst, it still wouldn't be
> removed when libc-bin is (hypothetically) purged, because it's not a
> registered conffile of that package.
>
> Of course, one should NOT purge libc-bin.
>
> wooledg:~$ dpkg -s libc-bin
> Package: libc-bin
> Essential: yes
> [...]
> Conffiles:
>  /etc/bindresvport.blacklist 4c09213317e4e3dd3c71d74404e503c5
>  /etc/default/nss d6d5d6f621fb3ead2548076ce81e309c
>  /etc/gai.conf 28fa76ff5a9e0566eaa1e11f1ce51f09
>  /etc/ld.so.conf 4317c6de8564b68d628c21efa96b37e4
>  /etc/ld.so.conf.d/libc.conf d4d833fd095fb7b90e1bb4a547f16de6
> [...]
>
> Whatever Gene did, it's absolutely not normal or desirable for
> nsswitch.conf to vanish.  I still think he deleted it by hand and then
> forgot the exact sequence of steps which led to its disappearance, so
> he simply blamed it on purging ahavi-daemon.

I didn't say that. If I made that impression I didn't intend to. I 
removed it by hand about 2 hours back but that u-sd has not been 
inserted in the pi yet as I'm also the chief cook and bottle washer here 
and it was time I played chef with a bag of beef stir fry to feed the 
two of us.  With the missus disabled, I do it all. And next is to go 
recycle the dishwasher. :(

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#210816 — Re: Assorted arm-buster problems - network configuration

FromGene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net>
Date2019-07-06 02:20 +0200
SubjectRe: Assorted arm-buster problems - network configuration
Message-ID<ygGAN-6yx-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#210769
On Friday 05 July 2019 08:41:47 Greg Wooledge wrote:

> On Fri, Jul 05, 2019 at 06:35:53AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > yup, and if the repos were open...  They are not as I've previously
> > posted. I can report that apt --purge does not, I still see
> > an /etc/nsswitch.conf, even though ts been purged.
>
> ... what.
>
> Gene, /etc/nsswitch.conf is NOT part of any Debian package.  It's part
> of the core installation.  It is absolutely fundamental to the
> operation of basically every single piece of the operating system
> above the boot loader, the kernel, the ld.so shared library loader,
> and libc.

IOW, the image I have in my pocket probably don't work until I locate a 
copy and put it back in. But just for grins, check the buster its 
running:  yes, its still there and I think intact:
gene@shop:~$ cat /etc/nsswitch.conf
# /etc/nsswitch.conf
#
# Example configuration of GNU Name Service Switch functionality.
# If you have the `glibc-doc-reference' and `info' packages installed, 
try:
# `info libc "Name Service Switch"' for information about this file.

passwd:         compat
group:          compat
shadow:         compat

hosts:          files mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns mdns4
networks:       files

protocols:      db files
services:       db files
ethers:         db files
rpc:            db files

netgroup:       nis

But that begs another question Greg.  If it hasn't anything to do with 
avahi-daemon, whyinhell did purging avahi-daemon take the libnsswitch 
package with it?

> If you remove /etc/nsswitch.conf, you won't be able to look up user
> names, or service port names, or host names, or basically *any* kind
> of names of anything at all.  (Or, at best, you'll get some sort of
> default behavior compiled into the C library routines, if any.)
>
> wooledg:~$ dpkg -S /etc/nsswitch.conf
> dpkg-query: no path found matching pattern /etc/nsswitch.conf
>
> Since nsswitch.conf isn't part of a package, there is absolutely no
> reason you should think that purging ANY package would remove it.  And
> there is absolutely no reason you should *want* to remove it.

The only reason I removed it, was to complete the libnsswitch removal 
that removing avahi-daemon took out. Somehow I am missing an actual 
dependency of one on the other.  Call me puzzled. 

Thanks Greg.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis
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#210837 — Re: Assorted arm-buster problems - network configuration

FromDavid Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk>
Date2019-07-06 15:50 +0200
SubjectRe: Assorted arm-buster problems - network configuration
Message-ID<ygTeG-5tr-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#210816
On Fri 05 Jul 2019 at 20:10:42 (-0400), Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Friday 05 July 2019 08:41:47 Greg Wooledge wrote:
> > On Fri, Jul 05, 2019 at 06:35:53AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > yup, and if the repos were open...  They are not as I've previously
> > > posted. I can report that apt --purge does not, I still see
> > > an /etc/nsswitch.conf, even though ts been purged.
> >
> > ... what.
> >
> > Gene, /etc/nsswitch.conf is NOT part of any Debian package.  It's part
> > of the core installation.  It is absolutely fundamental to the
> > operation of basically every single piece of the operating system
> > above the boot loader, the kernel, the ld.so shared library loader,
> > and libc.
> 
> IOW, the image I have in my pocket probably don't work until I locate a 
> copy and put it back in. But just for grins, check the buster its 
> running:  yes, its still there and I think intact:
> gene@shop:~$ cat /etc/nsswitch.conf
> # /etc/nsswitch.conf
> #
> # Example configuration of GNU Name Service Switch functionality.
> # If you have the `glibc-doc-reference' and `info' packages installed, 
> try:
> # `info libc "Name Service Switch"' for information about this file.
> 
> passwd:         compat
> group:          compat
> shadow:         compat
> 
> hosts:          files mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns mdns4
> networks:       files
> 
> protocols:      db files
> services:       db files
> ethers:         db files
> rpc:            db files
> 
> netgroup:       nis
> 
> But that begs another question Greg.  If it hasn't anything to do with 
> avahi-daemon, whyinhell did purging avahi-daemon take the libnsswitch 
> package with it?
> 
> > If you remove /etc/nsswitch.conf, you won't be able to look up user
> > names, or service port names, or host names, or basically *any* kind
> > of names of anything at all.  (Or, at best, you'll get some sort of
> > default behavior compiled into the C library routines, if any.)
> >
> > wooledg:~$ dpkg -S /etc/nsswitch.conf
> > dpkg-query: no path found matching pattern /etc/nsswitch.conf
> >
> > Since nsswitch.conf isn't part of a package, there is absolutely no
> > reason you should think that purging ANY package would remove it.  And
> > there is absolutely no reason you should *want* to remove it.
> 
> The only reason I removed it, was to complete the libnsswitch removal 
> that removing avahi-daemon took out. Somehow I am missing an actual 
> dependency of one on the other.  Call me puzzled. 

I'm puzzled too. Can you tell us which package you're talking about as
I can only find:

Package lib32nss-mdns
Package libnss3
Package libnss3-1d
Package libnss3-dbg
Package libnss3-dbgsym
Package libnss3-dev
Package libnss3-tools
Package libnss3-tools-dbgsym
Package libnss-cache
Package libnss-cache-dbgsym
Package libnss-db
Package libnss-db-dbgsym
Package libnss-dns-udeb
Package libnss-docker
Package libnss-docker-dbgsym
Package libnss-extrausers
Package libnss-extrausers-dbgsym
Package libnss-files-udeb
Package libnss-gw-name
Package libnss-gw-name-dbgsym
Package libnss-ldap
Package libnss-ldapd
Package libnss-ldap-dbgsym
Package libnss-ldapd-dbgsym
Package libnss-libvirt
Package libnss-libvirt-dbgsym
Package libnss-lwres
Package libnss-lwres-dbgsym
Package libnss-mdns
Package libnss-mdns-dbgsym
Package libnss-mdns-i386
Package libnss-myhostname
Package libnss-myhostname-dbgsym
Package libnss-mymachines
Package libnss-mymachines-dbgsym
Package libnss-mysql-bg
Package libnss-pgsql2
Package libnss-pgsql2-dbgsym
Package libnss-rainbow2
Package libnss-rainbow2-dbgsym
Package libnss-resolve
Package libnss-resolve-dbgsym
Package libnss-securepass
Package libnss-securepass-dbgsym
Package libnss-sss
Package libnss-sss-dbgsym
Package libnss-systemd
Package libnss-systemd-dbgsym
Package libnss-unknown
Package libnss-unknown-dbgsym
Package libnss-winbind
Package libnss-winbind-dbgsym
Package libnss-wrapper
Package libnss-wrapper-dbgsym
Package libpam-ccreds
Package libpam-ldap
Package nslcd
Package nsscache
Package nss-passwords
Package nss-updatedb
Package pynslcd
Package winbind

Cheers,
David.

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#210991 — Re: Assorted arm-buster problems - network configuration

FromGreg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org>
Date2019-07-08 14:40 +0200
SubjectRe: Assorted arm-buster problems - network configuration
Message-ID<yhB61-6C4-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#210837
On Sat, Jul 06, 2019 at 08:46:19AM -0500, David Wright wrote:
> On Fri 05 Jul 2019 at 20:10:42 (-0400), Gene Heskett wrote:
> > But that begs another question Greg.  If it hasn't anything to do with 
> > avahi-daemon, whyinhell did purging avahi-daemon take the libnsswitch 
> > package with it?

> I'm puzzled too. Can you tell us which package you're talking about as
> I can only find:
> 
> Package lib32nss-mdns
> Package libnss3
[snip]

I'm pretty sure Gene means this one:

wooledg:~$ apt-cache show avahi-daemon | grep libnss
Recommends: libnss-mdns

As I demonstrated somewhere else in this thread,[1] removing avahi-daemon
also removes libnss-mdns, and installing avahi-daemon also installs
libnss-mdns, at least when using apt with whatever settings I'm currently
using.  Which are probably pretty close to the defaults.

[1] https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2019/07/msg00258.html

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#210993 — Re: Assorted arm-buster problems - network configuration

FromGene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net>
Date2019-07-08 15:00 +0200
SubjectRe: Assorted arm-buster problems - network configuration
Message-ID<yhBpn-6IE-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#210991
On Monday 08 July 2019 08:36:38 Greg Wooledge wrote:

> On Sat, Jul 06, 2019 at 08:46:19AM -0500, David Wright wrote:
> > On Fri 05 Jul 2019 at 20:10:42 (-0400), Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > But that begs another question Greg.  If it hasn't anything to do
> > > with avahi-daemon, whyinhell did purging avahi-daemon take the
> > > libnsswitch package with it?
> >
> > I'm puzzled too. Can you tell us which package you're talking about
> > as I can only find:
> >
yes, thats the one

> > Package lib32nss-mdns
> > Package libnss3
>
> [snip]
>
> I'm pretty sure Gene means this one:
>
> wooledg:~$ apt-cache show avahi-daemon | grep libnss
> Recommends: libnss-mdns
>
> As I demonstrated somewhere else in this thread,[1] removing
> avahi-daemon also removes libnss-mdns, and installing avahi-daemon
> also installs libnss-mdns, at least when using apt with whatever
> settings I'm currently using.  Which are probably pretty close to the
> defaults.
>
> [1] https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2019/07/msg00258.html

ditto's here. But I think I'll disable the kernel pinning until such time 
as I get a realtime built and installed.

Thanks Greg.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#210998 — Re: Assorted arm-buster problems - network configuration

FromDavid Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk>
Date2019-07-08 16:30 +0200
SubjectRe: Assorted arm-buster problems - network configuration
Message-ID<yhCOu-7GN-7@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#210991
On Mon 08 Jul 2019 at 08:36:38 (-0400), Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Sat, Jul 06, 2019 at 08:46:19AM -0500, David Wright wrote:
> > On Fri 05 Jul 2019 at 20:10:42 (-0400), Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > But that begs another question Greg.  If it hasn't anything to do with 
> > > avahi-daemon, whyinhell did purging avahi-daemon take the libnsswitch 
> > > package with it?
> 
> > I'm puzzled too. Can you tell us which package you're talking about as
> > I can only find:
> > 
> > Package lib32nss-mdns
> > Package libnss3
> [snip]
> 
> I'm pretty sure Gene means this one:
> 
> wooledg:~$ apt-cache show avahi-daemon | grep libnss
> Recommends: libnss-mdns
> 
> As I demonstrated somewhere else in this thread,[1] removing avahi-daemon
> also removes libnss-mdns, and installing avahi-daemon also installs
> libnss-mdns, at least when using apt with whatever settings I'm currently
> using.  Which are probably pretty close to the defaults.
> 
> [1] https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2019/07/msg00258.html

Yes, thanks for that; posting saves others from having to test what's
going on. I guess we should hardly be surprised. So the Debian system
that's allegedly completely broken (and has been "nuked" into who
knows what shape) turns out to be not a Debian system at all. Such a
waste of time.

Cheers,
David.

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