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  How to have password shown? Rodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com> - 2019-07-03 13:30 +0200
    Re: How to have password shown? Renato Gallo <renato@aster-lab.com> - 2019-07-03 14:20 +0200
      Re: How to have password shown? Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2019-07-03 14:20 +0200
      Re: How to have password shown? Rodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com> - 2019-07-03 14:30 +0200
        Re: How to have password shown? Renato Gallo <renato@aster-lab.com> - 2019-07-03 14:40 +0200
          Re: How to have password shown? deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2019-07-04 04:00 +0200
    Re: How to have password shown? <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2019-07-03 14:20 +0200
      Re: How to have password shown? Renato Gallo <renato@aster-lab.com> - 2019-07-03 15:10 +0200
        Re: How to have password shown? deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2019-07-04 04:00 +0200
          Re: How to have password shown? Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2019-07-04 14:50 +0200
      Re: How to have password shown? Jonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk> - 2019-07-03 15:10 +0200
    Re: How to have password shown? Renato Gallo <renato@aster-lab.com> - 2019-07-03 14:20 +0200
      Re: How to have password shown? Renato Gallo <renato@aster-lab.com> - 2019-07-03 14:20 +0200
        Re: How to have password shown? Carl Fink <carl@finknetwork.com> - 2019-07-03 15:20 +0200
          Re: How to have password shown? Renato Gallo <renato@aster-lab.com> - 2019-07-03 15:30 +0200
            Re: How to have password shown? Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2019-07-03 17:40 +0200
              Re: How to have password shown? <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2019-07-03 18:40 +0200
              Re: How to have password shown? David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2019-07-03 22:10 +0200
              Re: How to have password shown? Richard Hector <richard@walnut.gen.nz> - 2019-07-05 06:40 +0200
                Re: How to have password shown? Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2019-07-05 08:50 +0200
                  Re: How to have password shown? Carl Fink <carlf@panix.com> - 2019-07-05 16:30 +0200
                    Re: How to have password shown? Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2019-07-05 21:40 +0200
      Re: How to have password shown? <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2019-07-03 14:20 +0200
    Re: How to have password shown? Håkon Alstadheim <hakon@alstadheim.priv.no> - 2019-07-03 14:30 +0200
      Re: How to have password shown? Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2019-07-03 14:50 +0200
        Re: How to have password shown? Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2019-07-03 15:00 +0200
          Re: How to have password shown? Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2019-07-03 15:10 +0200
          Re: How to have password shown? Rodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com> - 2019-07-03 15:10 +0200
          Re: How to have password shown? Renato Gallo <renato@aster-lab.com> - 2019-07-03 15:10 +0200
        Re: How to have password shown? Renato Gallo <renato@aster-lab.com> - 2019-07-03 15:00 +0200
          Re: How to have password shown? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2019-07-03 19:30 +0200
          Re: How to have password shown? deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2019-07-04 04:10 +0200
      Re: How to have password shown? Rodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com> - 2019-07-03 14:50 +0200
        Re: How to have password shown? Jonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk> - 2019-07-03 15:30 +0200
          Re: How to have password shown? Rodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com> - 2019-07-03 15:40 +0200
            Re: How to have password shown? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2019-07-03 16:10 +0200
              Re: How to have password shown? Rodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com> - 2019-07-03 16:20 +0200
                Re: How to have password shown? andreimpopescu@gmail.com - 2019-07-03 16:40 +0200
                  Re: How to have password shown? Renato Gallo <renato@aster-lab.com> - 2019-07-03 16:40 +0200
                    Re: How to have password shown? Rodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com> - 2019-07-03 17:10 +0200
              Re: How to have password shown? Dave Sherohman <dave@sherohman.org> - 2019-07-04 13:00 +0200
            Re: How to have password shown? <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2019-07-03 17:10 +0200
              Re: How to have password shown? tomas@tuxteam.de - 2019-07-03 17:20 +0200
                Re: How to have password shown? Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2019-07-03 17:30 +0200
              Re: How to have password shown? Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2019-07-03 17:20 +0200
              Re: How to have password shown? Rodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com> - 2019-07-03 17:30 +0200
      Re: How to have password shown? Renato Gallo <renato@aster-lab.com> - 2019-07-03 14:50 +0200
        Re: How to have password shown? <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2019-07-03 15:20 +0200

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#210775

On 7/5/19 2:42 AM, Reco wrote:
> Last time I travelled to England - they took my fingerprints beforehand,
> and checked them at Heathrow's customs. Suffice to say I'd be sent back
> home on a nearest airplane if they haven't match.

Last time I traveled to England (2017), they didn't even check my
passport. (I was entering from France.) I also didn't have to give
fingerprints when entering the Schengen Area (in Iceland). You were, I
gather, entering from outside both the Schengen nations and the United
States? Or it was just much longer ago?

-- 
Carl Fink                           nitpicking@nitpicking.com

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#210808

	Hi.

On Fri, Jul 05, 2019 at 10:29:36AM -0400, Carl Fink wrote:
> On 7/5/19 2:42 AM, Reco wrote:
> > Last time I travelled to England - they took my fingerprints beforehand,
> > and checked them at Heathrow's customs. Suffice to say I'd be sent back
> > home on a nearest airplane if they haven't match.
> 
> Last time I traveled to England (2017), they didn't even check my
> passport. (I was entering from France.) I also didn't have to give
> fingerprints when entering the Schengen Area (in Iceland). You were, I
> gather, entering from outside both the Schengen nations and the United
> States? Or it was just much longer ago?

It was at 2017, and yes, it was outside of Schengen nations and US.
Living at the third-world country has its disadvantages sometimes.

Reco

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#210647

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On Wed, Jul 03, 2019 at 02:10:50PM +0200, Renato Gallo wrote:
> one of the worst ideas I've ever heard since 1974
> 
> read this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoulder_surfing_(computer_security)

I assume Rodolfo knows all that. Perhaps the context is one where
shoulder surfing is not an issue.

Security is not about blindly following rules :^)

Cheers
-- t

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#210651

Den 03.07.2019 13:24, skrev Rodolfo Medina:
> Hi all...
>
> Is there any a way to have my user-password shown when logging into Debian in
> tty console, or also within X system when changing to root?  It is for my old
> father...  it'd be easier for him to see what he's typing.  In internet I found
> some procedures to have asterisks shown; would it be possible to have a clear
> text as well?  Maybe it isn't as I understand...

If the machine is physically secure, I'd find out about automatic login 
(aka autologin) to X (check the config of your display manager, you 
might conceivably want to use a different displaymanager) .

For root access, check out man sudoers, the EXAMPLES section will get 
you started, find out about NOPASSWD.

If the machine is NOT physically secure, think long and hard about what 
you will do.

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#210654

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Renato Gallo (12019-07-03):
> Raspberry pi's Raspbian has X without password by default.
> The new board raspberry 4 is out with 4 gigs and a better cpu (I have preordered it for around 60 € from melopero shop).
> Might be a nice solution for the old father.

Are you really suggesting buying complete new hardware to solve a minor
software configuration issue?

Regards,

-- 
  Nicolas George

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Renato Gallo (12019-07-03):
> For the use his old father might do with a computer I think that cheap board could do.

And what is he supposed to do with the computer he already has for that
purpose? Throw it away?

> Plus can be customized for his father use like a tailored tuxedo

You realize that Debian can be customized, right?

Regards,

-- 
  Nicolas George

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Renato Gallo (12019-07-03):
> You forgot the "probably sharing" part of the message.
> You forgot that Rasbian is Debian for Raspberry pi + Desktop autologin by default (without the research and config part).
> You forgot that Raspberry is really cheap.

I forgot none of this things. You obviously understood properly none of
my messages. Too bad for you. Have a good life.

-- 
  Nicolas George

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#210660

Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> writes:

> Renato Gallo (12019-07-03):
>> For the use his old father might do with a computer I think that cheap board
>> could do.
>
> And what is he supposed to do with the computer he already has for that
> purpose? Throw it away?
>
>> Plus can be customized for his father use like a tailored tuxedo
>
> You realize that Debian can be customized, right?
>
> Regards,


:-) :-)

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#210662

You forgot the "probably sharing" part of the message.
You forgot that Rasbian is Debian for Raspberry pi + Desktop autologin by default (without the research and config part).
You forgot that Raspberry is really cheap.

Renato Gallo 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Nicolas George" <george@nsup.org>
To: "debian-user" <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
Sent: Wednesday, July 3, 2019 2:56:19 PM
Subject: Re: How to have password shown?

Renato Gallo (12019-07-03):
> For the use his old father might do with a computer I think that cheap board could do.

And what is he supposed to do with the computer he already has for that
purpose? Throw it away?

> Plus can be customized for his father use like a tailored tuxedo

You realize that Debian can be customized, right?

Regards,

-- 
  Nicolas George

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#210658

For the use his old father might do with a computer I think that cheap board could do.
Plus, it's used by babies can be used by everyone.
Plus, it's ready out of the box for the use it's meant.
Plus can be customized for his father use like a tailored tuxedo (better in some ways than a computer they are probably sharing).

Renato Gallo 

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From: "Nicolas George" <george@nsup.org>
To: "debian-user" <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
Sent: Wednesday, July 3, 2019 2:44:44 PM
Subject: Re: How to have password shown?

Renato Gallo (12019-07-03):
> Raspberry pi's Raspbian has X without password by default.
> The new board raspberry 4 is out with 4 gigs and a better cpu (I have preordered it for around 60 € from melopero shop).
> Might be a nice solution for the old father.

Are you really suggesting buying complete new hardware to solve a minor
software configuration issue?

Regards,

-- 
  Nicolas George

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#210689

> For the use his old father might do with a computer I think that cheap
> board could do.

Cheap or not, new hardware implies more garbage to dispose of, (a lot)
more carbon emissions to produce the new hardware, ...

BTW, for all I know, the OP might already be running Raspbian on a PI ;-)


        Stefan

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#210701

Renato Gallo wrote:

> For the use his old father might do with a computer I think that cheap
> board could do. Plus, it's used by babies can be used by everyone.
> Plus, it's ready out of the box for the use it's meant.
> Plus can be customized for his father use like a tailored tuxedo (better
> in some ways than a computer they are probably sharing).

but it is not that Raspberry has it, it is just that Raspberry Debian
installation is configured so.

You are strangely confusing things here.

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#210655

Håkon Alstadheim <hakon@alstadheim.priv.no> writes:

> Den 03.07.2019 13:24, skrev Rodolfo Medina:
>> Hi all...
>>
>> Is there any a way to have my user-password shown when logging into Debian
>> in tty console, or also within X system when changing to root?  It is for my
>> old father...  it'd be easier for him to see what he's typing.  In internet
>> I found some procedures to have asterisks shown; would it be possible to
>> have a clear text as well?  Maybe it isn't as I understand...
>
> If the machine is physically secure, I'd find out about automatic login (aka
> autologin) to X (check the config of your display manager, you might
> conceivably want to use a different displaymanager) .
>
> For root access, check out man sudoers, the EXAMPLES section will get you
> started, find out about NOPASSWD.
>
> If the machine is NOT physically secure, think long and hard about what you
> will do.


Thanks...  of course it is...  absolutely.  I wanted to have him accustomed
with using a password...  only, he still does many errors at keyboard...

Cheers,

Rodolfo

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Quoting Rodolfo Medina (2019-07-03 14:42:13)
> Håkon Alstadheim <hakon@alstadheim.priv.no> writes:
> 
> > Den 03.07.2019 13:24, skrev Rodolfo Medina:
> >> Hi all...
> >>
> >> Is there any a way to have my user-password shown when logging into 
> >> Debian in tty console, or also within X system when changing to 
> >> root?  It is for my old father...  it'd be easier for him to see 
> >> what he's typing.  In internet I found some procedures to have 
> >> asterisks shown; would it be possible to have a clear text as well?  
> >> Maybe it isn't as I understand...
> >
> > If the machine is physically secure, I'd find out about automatic 
> > login (aka autologin) to X (check the config of your display 
> > manager, you might conceivably want to use a different 
> > displaymanager) .
> >
> > For root access, check out man sudoers, the EXAMPLES section will 
> > get you started, find out about NOPASSWD.
> >
> > If the machine is NOT physically secure, think long and hard about 
> > what you will do.
> 
> 
> Thanks...  of course it is...  absolutely.  I wanted to have him accustomed
> with using a password...  only, he still does many errors at keyboard...

I think I understand the scope of this challenge.

Would it be sensible for your case to a) use a 3-4 character password 
coupled with a PAM plugin that checks for the presence of a USB key 
containing some unique file?

That would keep the notion of typing a password for logging in, while 
being simpler to type, sidestepping the lower security by a secondary 
check which (at leat for some) would not be a too weird addition).


 - Jonas

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#210668

Jonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk> writes:

> Quoting Rodolfo Medina (2019-07-03 14:42:13)
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks...  of course it is...  absolutely.  I wanted to have him accustomed
>> with using a password...  only, he still does many errors at keyboard...
>
> I think I understand the scope of this challenge.
>
> Would it be sensible for your case to a) use a 3-4 character password 
> coupled with a PAM plugin that checks for the presence of a USB key 
> containing some unique file?
>
> That would keep the notion of typing a password for logging in, while 
> being simpler to type, sidestepping the lower security by a secondary 
> check which (at leat for some) would not be a too weird addition).


Thanks indeed...  He will do...  making errors in typing a blind password and
re-typing it again and again till it's all right...  ;-)

Rodolfo

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#210669

On Wed 03 Jul 2019 at 13:34:00 +0000, Rodolfo Medina wrote:

> Jonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk> writes:
> 
> > Quoting Rodolfo Medina (2019-07-03 14:42:13)
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Thanks...  of course it is...  absolutely.  I wanted to have him accustomed
> >> with using a password...  only, he still does many errors at keyboard...
> >
> > I think I understand the scope of this challenge.
> >
> > Would it be sensible for your case to a) use a 3-4 character password 
> > coupled with a PAM plugin that checks for the presence of a USB key 
> > containing some unique file?
> >
> > That would keep the notion of typing a password for logging in, while 
> > being simpler to type, sidestepping the lower security by a secondary 
> > check which (at leat for some) would not be a too weird addition).
> 
> 
> Thanks indeed...  He will do...  making errors in typing a blind password and
> re-typing it again and again till it's all right...  ;-)

Most people mistype at some time; have you considered why your father
might be doing it? Logins with convoluted or complex passwords do not
help, so consider 12345678 or the date of his birthday. I'm tempted to
say that either would reduce mishaps.

-- 
Brian.

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#210670

Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> writes:

> On Wed 03 Jul 2019 at 13:34:00 +0000, Rodolfo Medina wrote:
>
>> 
>> Thanks indeed...  He will do...  making errors in typing a blind password
>> and re-typing it again and again till it's all right...  ;-)
>
> Most people mistype at some time; have you considered why your father
> might be doing it? Logins with convoluted or complex passwords do not
> help, so consider 12345678 or the date of his birthday. I'm tempted to
> say that either would reduce mishaps.


Thanks for your suggestion...  No, it's very simple and familiar with him...
it's just that he's at his really first experiences with a computer machine and
a computer keyboard...  He passes most of his time in front of TV and maybe
using a computer may help him and be interesting for him...

Rodolfo

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#210671

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On Mi, 03 iul 19, 14:17:34, Rodolfo Medina wrote:
> 
> Thanks for your suggestion...  No, it's very simple and familiar with him...

A keyboard with a different layout (e.g. alphabetic) might also help 
with the password.

> it's just that he's at his really first experiences with a computer machine and
> a computer keyboard...  He passes most of his time in front of TV and maybe
> using a computer may help him and be interesting for him...

This usually needs some "killer app".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killer_application

Kind regards,
Andrei
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#210673

http://www.eldy.eu/software/download/

Renato Gallo 


----- Original Message -----
From: andreimpopescu@gmail.com
To: "debian-user" <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
Sent: Wednesday, July 3, 2019 4:33:44 PM
Subject: Re: How to have password shown?

On Mi, 03 iul 19, 14:17:34, Rodolfo Medina wrote:
> 
> Thanks for your suggestion...  No, it's very simple and familiar with him...

A keyboard with a different layout (e.g. alphabetic) might also help 
with the password.

> it's just that he's at his really first experiences with a computer machine and
> a computer keyboard...  He passes most of his time in front of TV and maybe
> using a computer may help him and be interesting for him...

This usually needs some "killer app".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killer_application

Kind regards,
Andrei
-- 
http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser

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#210675

Renato Gallo <renato@aster-lab.com> writes:

> http://www.eldy.eu/software/download/
>
> Renato Gallo 


Well, thanks, but...  no, I just want him to use it the same way I do...  in
the clever Linux and Debian Linux manner that we all know and appreciate..
Making things too easy is not always a good idea...

Cheers,

Rodolfo

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