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  OT:hardware query mick crane <mick.crane@gmail.com> - 2019-06-28 18:20 +0200
    Re: OT:hardware query Martin Smith <tech@smithproductions.co.uk> - 2019-06-29 00:20 +0200
      Re: OT:hardware query Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2019-06-29 18:20 +0200
        Re: OT:hardware query mick crane <mick.crane@gmail.com> - 2019-07-01 08:20 +0200
          Re: OT:hardware query Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2019-07-01 12:10 +0200
            Re: OT:hardware query mick crane <mick.crane@gmail.com> - 2019-07-01 13:00 +0200
              Re: OT:hardware query Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2019-07-01 17:10 +0200

#210468 — OT:hardware query

The first concern if getting a new PC is that it can play the steam 
games and they are getting really pushy what they need to work.
I never have proper available funds for this stuff these days and 
generally buy used..
The idea is each year or so get something else and move the last one 
down to doing more useful work.
That would mean it should have facility to attach 2 or more internal 
drives and slots for network cards.
If that makes sense what advise something used for 200 UKP ?
mick

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#210474

On 28/06/2019 17:11, mick crane wrote:
> The first concern if getting a new PC is that it can play the steam 
> games and they are getting really pushy what they need to work.
> I never have proper available funds for this stuff these days and 
> generally buy used..
> The idea is each year or so get something else and move the last one 
> down to doing more useful work.
> That would mean it should have facility to attach 2 or more internal 
> drives and slots for network cards.
> If that makes sense what advise something used for 200 UKP ?
> mick
>
if you are anywhere near london you should go to the Stratford computer 
fair lots of good quality secondhand stuff

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#210483

Martin Smith wrote: 
> On 28/06/2019 17:11, mick crane wrote:
> > The first concern if getting a new PC is that it can play the steam
> > games and they are getting really pushy what they need to work.
> > I never have proper available funds for this stuff these days and
> > generally buy used..
> > The idea is each year or so get something else and move the last one
> > down to doing more useful work.
> > That would mean it should have facility to attach 2 or more internal
> > drives and slots for network cards.
> > If that makes sense what advise something used for 200 UKP ?
> > mick
> > 
> if you are anywhere near london you should go to the Stratford computer fair
> lots of good quality secondhand stuff

General advice:

- look for a generic PC, avoiding laptops and anything described
  as "mini".

- Don't obsess over CPUs. The last 8 years have only given
  incremental improvements.

- Look for PCIe slots on the motherboard instead of PCI.

- Look for 4 DIMM slots for RAM, either DDR3 or DDR4. DDR2 is
  too old to find in useful quantity.

- Assume that you're going to replace a spinning disk in the
  near future. As long as it has a sufficient number of SATA2 or
  SATA3 ports, you'll be fine. 4 is the minimum.

- Assume that you need to replace the graphics card in order to 
  play games.

-dsr-

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#210515

On 2019-06-29 17:17, Dan Ritter wrote:
> Martin Smith wrote:
>> On 28/06/2019 17:11, mick crane wrote:
>> > The first concern if getting a new PC is that it can play the steam
>> > games and they are getting really pushy what they need to work.
>> > I never have proper available funds for this stuff these days and
>> > generally buy used..
>> > The idea is each year or so get something else and move the last one
>> > down to doing more useful work.
>> > That would mean it should have facility to attach 2 or more internal
>> > drives and slots for network cards.
>> > If that makes sense what advise something used for 200 UKP ?
>> > mick
>> >
>> if you are anywhere near london you should go to the Stratford 
>> computer fair
>> lots of good quality secondhand stuff
> 
> General advice:
> 
> - look for a generic PC, avoiding laptops and anything described
>   as "mini".
> 
> - Don't obsess over CPUs. The last 8 years have only given
>   incremental improvements.
> 
> - Look for PCIe slots on the motherboard instead of PCI.
> 
> - Look for 4 DIMM slots for RAM, either DDR3 or DDR4. DDR2 is
>   too old to find in useful quantity.
> 
> - Assume that you're going to replace a spinning disk in the
>   near future. As long as it has a sufficient number of SATA2 or
>   SATA3 ports, you'll be fine. 4 is the minimum.
> 
> - Assume that you need to replace the graphics card in order to
>   play games.
> 
> -dsr-

are you saying that there's not much noticeable difference between 
i3,i5,xeon E3,i7
with the same graphics card ?
Would seem that a processor without integrated graphics might be better 
?

mick


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#210522

mick crane wrote: 
> On 2019-06-29 17:17, Dan Ritter wrote:
> > Martin Smith wrote:
> > > On 28/06/2019 17:11, mick crane wrote:
> > General advice:
> > 
> > - look for a generic PC, avoiding laptops and anything described
> >   as "mini".
> > 
> > - Don't obsess over CPUs. The last 8 years have only given
> >   incremental improvements.
> > 
> > - Look for PCIe slots on the motherboard instead of PCI.
> > 
> > - Look for 4 DIMM slots for RAM, either DDR3 or DDR4. DDR2 is
> >   too old to find in useful quantity.
> > 
> > - Assume that you're going to replace a spinning disk in the
> >   near future. As long as it has a sufficient number of SATA2 or
> >   SATA3 ports, you'll be fine. 4 is the minimum.
> > 
> > - Assume that you need to replace the graphics card in order to
> >   play games.
> > 
> > -dsr-
> 
> are you saying that there's not much noticeable difference between
> i3,i5,xeon E3,i7
> with the same graphics card ?

I'm saying that, among the range of CPUs you can purchase in
used machines for under 200 quid, there's not much difference.

It is *also* the case that for most games on Steam, the quality
of your graphics card (again in the used, low price range) will
make more difference in game playing than the CPU.

There are certainly combinations that will escape this
generalization.

> Would seem that a processor without integrated graphics might be better ?

It's irrelevant: hardly any Steam games will play acceptably
using integrated graphics. 

-dsr-

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#210527

On 2019-07-01 11:05, Dan Ritter wrote:

>> Would seem that a processor without integrated graphics might be 
>> better ?
> 
> It's irrelevant: hardly any Steam games will play acceptably
> using integrated graphics.

what I meant was not much point having integrated graphics as chip 
without integrated graphics probably runs cooler ?
seems under 300 is more the target with a decent graphics card.

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#210549

mick crane wrote: 
> On 2019-07-01 11:05, Dan Ritter wrote:
> 
> > > Would seem that a processor without integrated graphics might be
> > > better ?
> > 
> > It's irrelevant: hardly any Steam games will play acceptably
> > using integrated graphics.
> 
> what I meant was not much point having integrated graphics as chip without
> integrated graphics probably runs cooler ?

If you aren't using the integrated graphics, it won't contribute
to any significant degree of heating.

-dsr-

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