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| Started by | Thorsten <deb_thor@posteo.de> |
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| First post | 2019-06-02 12:40 +0200 |
| Last post | 2019-06-07 14:20 +0200 |
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Problem with Mate in Buster on T480s Thorsten <deb_thor@posteo.de> - 2019-06-02 12:40 +0200
Re: Problem with Mate in Buster on T480s Thorsten <deb_thor@posteo.de> - 2019-06-06 13:00 +0200
Re: Problem with Mate in Buster on T480s Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2019-06-06 13:20 +0200
Re: Problem with Mate in Buster on T480s Thorsten Nicklaus <nicklaus.th@posteo.de> - 2019-06-06 18:40 +0200
Re: Problem with Mate in Buster on T480s Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2019-06-06 20:40 +0200
Re: Problem with Mate in Buster on T480s <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2019-06-06 22:20 +0200
Re: Problem with Mate in Buster on T480s John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2019-06-06 23:00 +0200
Re: Problem with Mate in Buster on T480s <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2019-06-06 23:30 +0200
Re: Problem with Mate in Buster on T480s John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2019-06-06 23:50 +0200
Re: Problem with Mate in Buster on T480s Nicholas Geovanis <nickgeovanis@gmail.com> - 2019-06-07 00:10 +0200
Re: Problem with Mate in Buster on T480s <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2019-06-07 09:00 +0200
Re: Problem with Mate in Buster on T480s Paul Sutton <zleap@disroot.org> - 2019-06-07 08:30 +0200
Re: Problem with Mate in Buster on T480s Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2019-06-07 14:20 +0200
| From | Thorsten <deb_thor@posteo.de> |
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| Date | 2019-06-02 12:40 +0200 |
| Subject | Problem with Mate in Buster on T480s |
| Message-ID | <y4w49-4C5-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
Hi, my desktop is mate on a Thinkpad T480s. Under preferences system->preferences->view->Window you can activate "Programmkomposit der Fensterverwaltung aktivieren" in english "Activate program composite window management". You can get a preview of your windows with key ALT-TAB. If I activate this, the preview is OK. But the X-Server create a lot of errors per second like this: [237861.491] (EE) modeset(0): Failed to get GBM bo for flip to new front. [237861.491] (EE) modeset(0): present flip failed It could be a bug. But how I proceed? Where is the bug, or how can I configure that right? regards Thorsten
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| From | Thorsten <deb_thor@posteo.de> |
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| Date | 2019-06-06 13:00 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <y5YhI-1rL-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #209521 |
Hi, if nobody has a answer or idea. Can somebody tell me which debian package has the error? Is it a mate error or the x-server? I want to report the bug. Thorsten On 02.06.19 12:30, Thorsten wrote: > Hi, > my desktop is mate on a Thinkpad T480s. Under preferences > system->preferences->view->Window you can activate "Programmkomposit > der Fensterverwaltung aktivieren" in english "Activate program > composite window management". You can get a preview of your windows > with key ALT-TAB. > > If I activate this, the preview is OK. But the X-Server create a lot > of errors per second like this: > > [237861.491] (EE) modeset(0): Failed to get GBM bo for flip to new front. > [237861.491] (EE) modeset(0): present flip failed > > It could be a bug. But how I proceed? Where is the bug, or how can I > configure that right? > > regards Thorsten > >
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| From | Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> |
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| Date | 2019-06-06 13:20 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <y5YB3-1NC-9@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #209681 |
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On Thu, 6 Jun 2019 12:54:28 +0200
Thorsten <deb_thor@posteo.de> wrote:
Hello Thorsten,
>if nobody has a answer or idea. Can somebody tell me which debian
>package has the error?
A very cursory internet search resulted in this;
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1645553
(I'm surprised you couldn't find this yourself)
with a pointer to;
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=909041
RedHat seems to have possible workarounds(1). No activity on Debian, it
seems.
(1) I can't test, as I don't have the problem here - different DE,
hardware, etc.
--
Regards _
/ ) "The blindingly obvious is
/ _)rad never immediately apparent"
My limbs are like palm trees swaying in the breeze
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| From | Thorsten Nicklaus <nicklaus.th@posteo.de> |
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| Date | 2019-06-06 18:40 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <y63AK-4JX-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #209683 |
Hi Brad, that is exactly what I am looking for. Could not explain why my search where so unprofessional. I have to see whats happen Thank you On 06.06.19 13:18, Brad Rogers wrote: > On Thu, 6 Jun 2019 12:54:28 +0200 > Thorsten <deb_thor@posteo.de> wrote: > > Hello Thorsten, > >> if nobody has a answer or idea. Can somebody tell me which debian >> package has the error? > A very cursory internet search resulted in this; > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1645553 > (I'm surprised you couldn't find this yourself) > with a pointer to; > https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=909041 > > RedHat seems to have possible workarounds(1). No activity on Debian, it > seems. > > (1) I can't test, as I don't have the problem here - different DE, > hardware, etc. >
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| From | Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> |
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| Date | 2019-06-06 20:40 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <y65sR-5Rz-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #209696 |
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On Thu, 6 Jun 2019 18:20:38 +0200
Thorsten Nicklaus <nicklaus.th@posteo.de> wrote:
Hello Thorsten,
>that is exactly what I am looking for. Could not explain why my search
>where so unprofessional.
What I found was the first hit here. It can depend on exact search
terms, and which search engine one uses, obviously. In case you're
interested, I use DuckDuckGo rather than google. There's far less
pushing of sponsored material to the top of the list for a start.
>Thank you
My pleasure.
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Regards _
/ ) "The blindingly obvious is
/ _)rad never immediately apparent"
Well I don't want you to think I'm being obscene
Fish - The Damned
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| From | <tomas@tuxteam.de> |
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| Date | 2019-06-06 22:20 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <y671E-6U5-7@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #209698 |
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On Thu, Jun 06, 2019 at 07:33:13PM +0100, Brad Rogers wrote: > On Thu, 6 Jun 2019 18:20:38 +0200 > Thorsten Nicklaus <nicklaus.th@posteo.de> wrote: > > Hello Thorsten, > > >that is exactly what I am looking for. Could not explain why my search > >where so unprofessional. > > What I found was the first hit here. It can depend on exact search > terms, and which search engine one uses, obviously. ...and who the search engine thinks you are [1]... > In case you're > interested, I use DuckDuckGo rather than google. There's far less > pushing of sponsored material to the top of the list for a start. ...although this won't happen with DuckDuckGo, because they try to avoid that. [1] A friend of mine, biologist, heavily relying on Google search for her work, once told me that when she worked from home, the search results for exactly the same terms turned up totally different results (somehow less related to biology, she felt). Once I explained her how that works, I think Google has one user less and DDG one more :-) Cheers -- t
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| From | John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> |
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| Date | 2019-06-06 23:00 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <y67Em-76R-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #209703 |
> A friend of mine, biologist, heavily relying on Google search for her >work, once told me that when she worked from home, the search results >for exactly the same terms turned up totally different results (somehow >less related to biology, she felt). Once I explained her how that >works, I think Google has one user less and DDG one more :-) I've tried the Duck. Great idea, but it's inadequate. Just block Google's cookies and scripts and it works fine. They don't rank stuff higher for money: their predecessors got caught doing that and it's one of the reasons Google succeeded (they have ads, of course: it's how they pay for the service). What their software *does* do, assuming that you allow their cookies and script, is try to learn your preferences so that it can take what it thinks are your interests into account when ordering search results. This works pretty well for the average user who is really only interested in major league sports and celebrities. -- John Hasler jhasler@newsguy.com Elmwood, WI USA
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| From | <tomas@tuxteam.de> |
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| Date | 2019-06-06 23:30 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <y687n-7wf-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #209705 |
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On Thu, Jun 06, 2019 at 03:51:20PM -0500, John Hasler wrote: [...] > I've tried the Duck. Great idea, but it's inadequate. For you, perhaps. For me, it works wonderfully: I had to adapt my queries a bit, but knowing that DDG hasn't the "context knowledge" I learnt how to. > Just block Google's cookies and scripts and it works fine [...] I don't even want to feed them the info that I'm looking for something. They are far too powerful for my taste, dominating the ad industry, the search engine, the client and the mobile. Cheers -- t
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| From | John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> |
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| Date | 2019-06-06 23:50 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <y68qJ-7D6-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #209706 |
I wrote: > Just block Google's cookies and scripts and it works fine [...] tomas writes: > I don't even want to feed them the info that I'm looking > for something. Since I'm anonymous[1] to them the only use they can make of that information is to note that someone has shown interest in the item and perhaps rank it higher when someone else looks for it. Why should I object to that? > They are far too powerful for my taste, dominating the ad industry, > the search engine, the client and the mobile. Since their ads never result in me buying anything (actually I rarely even see them), I'm costing them money by using their search engine. [1] Yes, they could track my (dynamic) ip and/or "fingerprint" my system. They won't. I'm not worth it to them. -- John Hasler jhasler@newsguy.com Elmwood, WI USA
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| From | Nicholas Geovanis <nickgeovanis@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2019-06-07 00:10 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <y68K6-7Zp-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #209707 |
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On Thu, Jun 6, 2019 at 4:46 PM John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> wrote: > Since their ads never result in me buying anything (actually I rarely > even see them), I'm costing them money by using their search engine. > Well not really costing them anything. Their costs are amortized over so many other transactions, and their profit margins built-in. And don't forget to take depreciation into account :-) At compound depreciation interest, they wrote off the cost of each server against their corporate income taxes in about 5 years. -- > John Hasler > jhasler@newsguy.com > Elmwood, WI USA > >
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| From | <tomas@tuxteam.de> |
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| Date | 2019-06-07 09:00 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <y6h0Z-4mL-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #209707 |
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On Thu, Jun 06, 2019 at 04:46:26PM -0500, John Hasler wrote: > I wrote: > > Just block Google's cookies and scripts and it works fine [...] > > tomas writes: > > I don't even want to feed them the info that I'm looking > > for something. [...] > Since their ads never result in me buying anything (actually I rarely > even see them), I'm costing them money by using their search engine. That's at least what you think. > [1] Yes, they could track my (dynamic) ip and/or "fingerprint" my > system. They won't. I'm not worth it to them. They do. That's at their business model's very heart. Cheers -- t
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| From | Paul Sutton <zleap@disroot.org> |
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| Date | 2019-06-07 08:30 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <y6gxX-4cM-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #209705 |
On 06/06/2019 21:51, John Hasler wrote: >> A friend of mine, biologist, heavily relying on Google search for her >> work, once told me that when she worked from home, the search results >> for exactly the same terms turned up totally different results (somehow >> less related to biology, she felt). Once I explained her how that >> works, I think Google has one user less and DDG one more :-) > > I've tried the Duck. Great idea, but it's inadequate. Just block > Google's cookies and scripts and it works fine. They don't rank stuff > higher for money: their predecessors got caught doing that and it's one > of the reasons Google succeeded (they have ads, of course: it's how they > pay for the service). What their software *does* do, assuming that you > allow their cookies and script, is try to learn your preferences so that > it can take what it thinks are your interests into account when ordering > search results. This works pretty well for the average user who is > really only interested in major league sports and celebrities. > Thanks for the tip here on blocking google cookies and scripts, not quite sure how to do that, so I will look in to it. Paul -- Paul Sutton http://www.zleap.net https://www.linkedin.com/in/zleap/ gnupg : 7D6D B682 F351 8D08 1893 1E16 F086 5537 D066 302D
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| From | Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> |
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| Date | 2019-06-07 14:20 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <y6m0F-7wt-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #209705 |
On Thu, Jun 06, 2019 at 03:51:20PM -0500, John Hasler wrote: > What their software *does* do, assuming that you > allow their cookies and script, is try to learn your preferences so that > it can take what it thinks are your interests into account when ordering > search results. This works pretty well for the average user who is > really only interested in major league sports and celebrities. In my experience, it works pretty well for technical users too, as it learns that yes, I want the computer-techie version of this term, or the medical-industry version, rather than the sports-and-celebs version.
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