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  A couple things yet on stretch install, amd64 version Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-05-30 01:40 +0200
    Re: A couple things yet on stretch install, amd64 version Nicholas Geovanis <nickgeovanis@gmail.com> - 2019-05-30 02:00 +0200
      Re: A couple things yet on stretch install, amd64 version Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-05-30 06:20 +0200
        Re: A couple things yet on stretch install, amd64 version Nicholas Geovanis <nickgeovanis@gmail.com> - 2019-05-30 10:30 +0200
        Re: A couple things yet on stretch install, amd64 version Nicholas Geovanis <nickgeovanis@gmail.com> - 2019-05-30 10:30 +0200
          Re: A couple things yet on stretch install, amd64 version Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-05-30 15:40 +0200
            Re: A couple things yet on stretch install, amd64 version Tixy <tixy@yxit.co.uk> - 2019-05-30 17:00 +0200
    Re: A couple things yet on stretch install, amd64 version Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2019-05-30 10:40 +0200

#209397 — A couple things yet on stretch install, amd64 version

Greetings all;

I have rebooted quite a few times as I have moved a few things out 
of /e/rc.local to ~/gene/.trinity/Autostart one at a time & rebooting to 
test. I looks like mail has stopped but thats happened frequently at my 
ISP, then they dump 26 msgs into my folder and give the 
fetchmail/procmail/clamav and spamassassin a nice warmup.

I have N-M disabled, spamassassin enabled, fetchmail and mailwatcher 
started from the Autostart dir, and 181 processes reduced to the low 
120's according to htop.

One of the useless things still running is some sort of an spi buss, but 
this motherboard has no such hardware.  I can kill it with htop, but how 
do I remove it totally. From a seaarch in synaptic, it has nothing to do 
with Asistive Technology Service Provider Interface.

So whats it good for for me?

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#209399

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Serial Peripheral Interface. Could be any number of devices on your SPI
buses: temp sensors, LCD on the panel, EEPROM, etc. Far as disabling it
goes, my recollection is that AMDs use CPU throttling unless you disable
that, for example. I bet that's reading temps from the SPI buses. What
happens if you stop SPI then? Well, computer science can be
experimental.....

On Wed, May 29, 2019, 6:34 PM Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> wrote:

> Greetings all;
>
> I have rebooted quite a few times as I have moved a few things out
> of /e/rc.local to ~/gene/.trinity/Autostart one at a time & rebooting to
> test. I looks like mail has stopped but thats happened frequently at my
> ISP, then they dump 26 msgs into my folder and give the
> fetchmail/procmail/clamav and spamassassin a nice warmup.
>
> I have N-M disabled, spamassassin enabled, fetchmail and mailwatcher
> started from the Autostart dir, and 181 processes reduced to the low
> 120's according to htop.
>
> One of the useless things still running is some sort of an spi buss, but
> this motherboard has no such hardware.  I can kill it with htop, but how
> do I remove it totally. From a seaarch in synaptic, it has nothing to do
> with Asistive Technology Service Provider Interface.
>
> So whats it good for for me?
>
> Cheers, Gene Heskett
> --
> "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
>  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> -Ed Howdershelt (Author)
> Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
>
>

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#209405

On Wednesday 29 May 2019 07:57:32 pm Nicholas Geovanis wrote:

> Serial Peripheral Interface. 

That, Nicholas, isn't how the docs I able to find read, and from which I 
copy/pasted the phrasing quoted below.  The at_spi has nothing to do 
with an armlike Seriel Peripheral Interface that doesn't exist on any 
x86 board in my possession.

This may be something related to or used by brltty. synaptic won't let me 
remove it, too many dependencies.
 
> Could be any number of devices on your 
> SPI buses: temp sensors, LCD on the panel, EEPROM, etc. Far as
> disabling it goes, my recollection is that AMDs use CPU throttling
> unless you disable that, for example. I bet that's reading temps from
> the SPI buses. What happens if you stop SPI then? Well, computer
> science can be
> experimental.....
>
> On Wed, May 29, 2019, 6:34 PM Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> 
wrote:
> > Greetings all;
> >
> > I have rebooted quite a few times as I have moved a few things out
> > of /e/rc.local to ~/gene/.trinity/Autostart one at a time &
> > rebooting to test. I looks like mail has stopped but thats happened
> > frequently at my ISP, then they dump 26 msgs into my folder and give
> > the
> > fetchmail/procmail/clamav and spamassassin a nice warmup.
> >
> > I have N-M disabled, spamassassin enabled, fetchmail and mailwatcher
> > started from the Autostart dir, and 181 processes reduced to the low
> > 120's according to htop.
> >
> > One of the useless things still running is some sort of an spi buss,

> > but this motherboard has no such hardware.  I can kill it with htop,
> > but how do I remove it totally. From a seaarch in synaptic, it has
> > nothing to do with Assistive Technology Service Provider Interface.
correction: to do with Assistive Technology Service Provider Interface. 
no "nothing", my bad.
> >
> > So whats it good for for me?

I may have plastic eyes but I certainly don't need a braille interface.
So I don't see as its useful for anything I do.

So I still need to stop/disable it. Killed it with htop, we'll see what 
else dies. But while htop can see it, its not in /etc/init.d nor in a 
systemctl display.  So whats starting it? Enquiring minds want to know.

> > Cheers, Gene Heskett
> > --
> > "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
> >  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> > -Ed Howdershelt (Author)
> > Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>


Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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Your first email called it "Serial busses of some kind" and you didn't type
"at-spi". Contrary to you 2 sentences later, at-spi is indeed for Assistive
Technologies, Service Provider Interface. An API for assistive software to
talk to desktops. So quite possibly you want to keep it around. I would
look at your desktop startup to control it.
The Serial Peripheral Interface chips, my first cut answer, are present on
basically every motherboard including ARM. Some even use SPI for CPU-RAM
transfers.

On Wed, May 29, 2019, 11:13 PM Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> wrote:

> On Wednesday 29 May 2019 07:57:32 pm Nicholas Geovanis wrote:
>
> > Serial Peripheral Interface.
>
> That, Nicholas, isn't how the docs I able to find read, and from which I
> copy/pasted the phrasing quoted below.  The at_spi has nothing to do
> with an armlike Seriel Peripheral Interface that doesn't exist on any
> x86 board in my possession.
>
> This may be something related to or used by brltty. synaptic won't let me
> remove it, too many dependencies.
>
> > Could be any number of devices on your
> > SPI buses: temp sensors, LCD on the panel, EEPROM, etc. Far as
> > disabling it goes, my recollection is that AMDs use CPU throttling
> > unless you disable that, for example. I bet that's reading temps from
> > the SPI buses. What happens if you stop SPI then? Well, computer
> > science can be
> > experimental.....
> >
> > On Wed, May 29, 2019, 6:34 PM Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net>
> wrote:
> > > Greetings all;
> > >
> > > I have rebooted quite a few times as I have moved a few things out
> > > of /e/rc.local to ~/gene/.trinity/Autostart one at a time &
> > > rebooting to test. I looks like mail has stopped but thats happened
> > > frequently at my ISP, then they dump 26 msgs into my folder and give
> > > the
> > > fetchmail/procmail/clamav and spamassassin a nice warmup.
> > >
> > > I have N-M disabled, spamassassin enabled, fetchmail and mailwatcher
> > > started from the Autostart dir, and 181 processes reduced to the low
> > > 120's according to htop.
> > >
> > > One of the useless things still running is some sort of an spi buss,
>
> > > but this motherboard has no such hardware.  I can kill it with htop,
> > > but how do I remove it totally. From a seaarch in synaptic, it has
> > > nothing to do with Assistive Technology Service Provider Interface.
> correction: to do with Assistive Technology Service Provider Interface.
> no "nothing", my bad.
> > >
> > > So whats it good for for me?
>
> I may have plastic eyes but I certainly don't need a braille interface.
> So I don't see as its useful for anything I do.
>
> So I still need to stop/disable it. Killed it with htop, we'll see what
> else dies. But while htop can see it, its not in /etc/init.d nor in a
> systemctl display.  So whats starting it? Enquiring minds want to know.
>
> > > Cheers, Gene Heskett
> > > --
> > > "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
> > >  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> > > -Ed Howdershelt (Author)
> > > Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
>
>
> Cheers, Gene Heskett
> --
> "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
>  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> -Ed Howdershelt (Author)
> Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
>
>

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Your first email called it "Serial busses of some kind" and you didn't type
"at-spi". Contrary to you 2 sentences later, at-spi is indeed for Assistive
Technologies, Service Provider Interface, an API for Assistive desktops. So
quite possibly you want to keep it around. I would suggest looking at
desktop startup to disable it.
Serial Peripheral Interface chips, which was my first cut answer, are
present on basically every motherboard, ARM or otherwise. Some even use
them for CPU-RAM transfer.

On Wed, May 29, 2019, 11:13 PM Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> wrote:

> On Wednesday 29 May 2019 07:57:32 pm Nicholas Geovanis wrote:
>
> > Serial Peripheral Interface.
>
> That, Nicholas, isn't how the docs I able to find read, and from which I
> copy/pasted the phrasing quoted below.  The at_spi has nothing to do
> with an armlike Seriel Peripheral Interface that doesn't exist on any
> x86 board in my possession.
>
> This may be something related to or used by brltty. synaptic won't let me
> remove it, too many dependencies.
>
> > Could be any number of devices on your
> > SPI buses: temp sensors, LCD on the panel, EEPROM, etc. Far as
> > disabling it goes, my recollection is that AMDs use CPU throttling
> > unless you disable that, for example. I bet that's reading temps from
> > the SPI buses. What happens if you stop SPI then? Well, computer
> > science can be
> > experimental.....
> >
> > On Wed, May 29, 2019, 6:34 PM Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net>
> wrote:
> > > Greetings all;
> > >
> > > I have rebooted quite a few times as I have moved a few things out
> > > of /e/rc.local to ~/gene/.trinity/Autostart one at a time &
> > > rebooting to test. I looks like mail has stopped but thats happened
> > > frequently at my ISP, then they dump 26 msgs into my folder and give
> > > the
> > > fetchmail/procmail/clamav and spamassassin a nice warmup.
> > >
> > > I have N-M disabled, spamassassin enabled, fetchmail and mailwatcher
> > > started from the Autostart dir, and 181 processes reduced to the low
> > > 120's according to htop.
> > >
> > > One of the useless things still running is some sort of an spi buss,
>
> > > but this motherboard has no such hardware.  I can kill it with htop,
> > > but how do I remove it totally. From a seaarch in synaptic, it has
> > > nothing to do with Assistive Technology Service Provider Interface.
> correction: to do with Assistive Technology Service Provider Interface.
> no "nothing", my bad.
> > >
> > > So whats it good for for me?
>
> I may have plastic eyes but I certainly don't need a braille interface.
> So I don't see as its useful for anything I do.
>
> So I still need to stop/disable it. Killed it with htop, we'll see what
> else dies. But while htop can see it, its not in /etc/init.d nor in a
> systemctl display.  So whats starting it? Enquiring minds want to know.
>
> > > Cheers, Gene Heskett
> > > --
> > > "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
> > >  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> > > -Ed Howdershelt (Author)
> > > Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
>
>
> Cheers, Gene Heskett
> --
> "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
>  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> -Ed Howdershelt (Author)
> Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
>
>

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#209420

On Thursday 30 May 2019 04:22:16 am Nicholas Geovanis wrote:

> Your first email called it "Serial busses of some kind" and you didn't
> type "at-spi".

Indeed I didn't, I like you, got bit by that famous "assume" word again.  
That mail was composed over about a 30 minute span while I was trying to 
figure out what heck an at-spi actually was.

Since that apparently is not its real name, its not obviously resident 
in /e/init.d, nor is it visible in the systemctl listings.  So other 
than sending it a SIGKILL with a root htop, I can't find a way to 
disable starting it.  Seemingly zero parents. But I haven't yet trolled 
thru /proc yet, been fighting with an amanda driver script I wrote 
probably 15 years ago. Somebody fixed a truly ancient bug in bash and 
broke a script thats been working for over a decade.
 
> > So I still need to stop/disable it. Killed it with htop, we'll see
> > what else dies. But while htop can see it, its not in /etc/init.d
> > nor in a systemctl display.  So whats starting it? Enquiring minds
still
> > want to know.
> >

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#209424

On Thu, 2019-05-30 at 09:38 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Thursday 30 May 2019 04:22:16 am Nicholas Geovanis wrote:
> 
> > Your first email called it "Serial busses of some kind" and you
> > didn't
> > type "at-spi".
> 
> Indeed I didn't, I like you, got bit by that famous "assume" word
> again.  
> That mail was composed over about a 30 minute span while I was trying
> to 
> figure out what heck an at-spi actually was.
> 
> Since that apparently is not its real name, its not obviously
> resident 
> in /e/init.d, nor is it visible in the systemctl listings.  So other 
> than sending it a SIGKILL with a root htop, I can't find a way to 
> disable starting it.

On my Stretch LXDE machine it appears under menu "Prefernces" >
"Desktop Session Settings" > "Automatically Started Applications".

If I disable it, then a file appears under ~/.config/autostart called
at-spi-dbus-bus.desktop which contains...

[Desktop Entry]
Type=Application
Name=AT-SPI D-Bus Bus
Exec=/usr/lib/at-spi2-core/at-spi-bus-launcher --launch-immediately
NoDisplay=true
X-GNOME-AutoRestart=true
X-GNOME-Autostart-Phase=Initialization
NotShowIn=LXDE;

That last line I guess overrides default startup behaviour.

Using "find / -name at-spi-dbus-bus.desktop" I see the default desktop
file in /etc/xdg/autostart/at-spi-dbus-bus.desktop, which has the same
contents without that last NotShowIn=LXDE; line.

-- 
Tixy
 

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#209410

On 2019-05-29, Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> wrote:
>
> One of the useless things still running is some sort of an spi buss, but 
> this motherboard has no such hardware.  I can kill it with htop, but how 
> do I remove it totally. From a seaarch in synaptic, it has nothing to do 
> with Asistive Technology Service Provider Interface.

at-spi has everything to do with Assistive Technology, in fact, but
maybe you misspoke and stated the opposite of your intention.

I think the package to expurgate would be

 'at-spi2-core' - Assistive Technology Service Provider Interface (dbus
 core)

if it doesn't take the kitchen sink along with it (if you're using one).

> So whats it good for for me?
>
> Cheers, Gene Heskett


-- 
“Decisions are never really made – at best they manage to emerge, from a chaos
of peeves, whims, hallucinations and all around assholery.” – Thomas Pynchon

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