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| Started by | Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> |
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| First post | 2019-05-02 13:30 +0200 |
| Last post | 2019-05-25 19:10 +0200 |
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forcedeth? Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-05-02 13:30 +0200
Re: forcedeth? songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2019-05-02 14:20 +0200
Re: forcedeth? Pascal Hambourg <pascal@plouf.fr.eu.org> - 2019-05-02 20:20 +0200
Re: forcedeth? Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-05-02 22:30 +0200
Re: forcedeth? Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2019-05-25 12:40 +0200
Re: forcedeth? Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-05-25 13:00 +0200
Re: forcedeth? Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2019-05-25 13:40 +0200
Re: forcedeth? Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-05-25 17:30 +0200
That time IPv6 farted in Gene's church (Was Re: forcedeth?) Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2019-05-27 04:20 +0200
Re: That time IPv6 farted in Gene's church (Was Re: forcedeth?) Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-05-27 06:50 +0200
Re: That time IPv6 farted in Gene's church (Was Re: forcedeth?) Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2019-05-27 08:10 +0200
Re: That time IPv6 farted in Gene's church (Was Re: forcedeth?) Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-05-27 18:20 +0200
Re: That time IPv6 farted in Gene's church (Was Re: forcedeth?) Jimmy Johnson <field.engineer@gmail.com> - 2019-05-27 19:20 +0200
Re: That time IPv6 farted in Gene's church (Was Re: forcedeth?) Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2019-05-28 17:50 +0200
Re: That time IPv6 farted in Gene's church (Was Re: forcedeth?) Jimmy Johnson <field.engineer@gmail.com> - 2019-05-28 19:20 +0200
Re: That time IPv6 farted in Gene's church (Was Re: forcedeth?) Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2019-05-28 20:40 +0200
Re: That time IPv6 farted in Gene's church (Was Re: forcedeth?) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2019-05-27 09:00 +0200
Re: That time IPv6 farted in Gene's church (Was Re: forcedeth?) Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2019-05-27 09:50 +0200
Re: That time IPv6 farted in Gene's church (Was Re: forcedeth?) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2019-05-27 11:00 +0200
Re: That time IPv6 farted in Gene's church (Was Re: forcedeth?) Jonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk> - 2019-05-27 11:00 +0200
Re: That time IPv6 farted in Gene's church (Was Re: forcedeth?) Jimmy Johnson <field.engineer@gmail.com> - 2019-05-27 19:30 +0200
Re: That time IPv6 farted in Gene's church (Was Re: forcedeth?) Jimmy Johnson <field.engineer@gmail.com> - 2019-05-27 19:30 +0200
Re: That time IPv6 farted in Gene's church (Was Re: forcedeth?) Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2019-05-27 22:00 +0200
Re: That time IPv6 farted in Gene's church (Was Re: forcedeth?) Jimmy Johnson <field.engineer@gmail.com> - 2019-05-28 08:40 +0200
Re: That time IPv6 farted in Gene's church (Was Re: forcedeth?) Erik Christiansen <dvalin@internode.on.net> - 2019-05-28 13:20 +0200
Re: That time IPv6 farted in Gene's church (Was Re: forcedeth?) Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-05-27 19:50 +0200
Re: That time IPv6 farted in Gene's church (Was Re: forcedeth?) Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2019-05-27 21:30 +0200
Re: That time IPv6 farted in Gene's church (Was Re: forcedeth?) Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-05-27 23:30 +0200
Re: That time IPv6 farted in Gene's church (Was Re: forcedeth?) Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2019-05-28 00:50 +0200
Re: That time IPv6 farted in Gene's church (Was Re: forcedeth?) Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-05-28 04:50 +0200
Re: That time IPv6 farted in Gene's church (Was Re: forcedeth?) mick crane <mick.crane@gmail.com> - 2019-05-28 05:10 +0200
Re: That time IPv6 farted in Gene's church (Was Re: forcedeth?) Jonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk> - 2019-05-27 21:50 +0200
Re: That time IPv6 farted in Gene's church (Was Re: forcedeth?) Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-05-28 00:20 +0200
Re: That time IPv6 farted in Gene's church (Was Re: forcedeth?) Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2019-05-28 05:40 +0200
Re: That time IPv6 farted in Gene's church (Was Re: forcedeth?) Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2019-05-28 09:50 +0200
Re: That time IPv6 farted in Gene's church (Was Re: forcedeth?) Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2019-05-28 10:00 +0200
Re: That time IPv6 farted in Gene's church (Was Re: forcedeth?) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2019-05-28 10:50 +0200
Re: That time IPv6 farted in Gene's church (Was Re: forcedeth?) Jonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk> - 2019-05-28 10:00 +0200
Re: That time IPv6 farted in Gene's church (Was Re: forcedeth?) Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2019-05-28 18:00 +0200
Re: That time IPv6 farted in Gene's church (Was Re: forcedeth?) Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2019-05-28 18:50 +0200
Re: That time IPv6 farted in Gene's church (Was Re: forcedeth?) Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-05-28 14:10 +0200
Re: That time IPv6 farted in Gene's church (Was Re: forcedeth?) Erik Christiansen <dvalin@internode.on.net> - 2019-05-28 14:40 +0200
Re: That time IPv6 farted in Gene's church (Was Re: forcedeth?) Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-05-28 15:10 +0200
Re: That time IPv6 farted in Gene's church (Was Re: forcedeth?) Erik Christiansen <dvalin@internode.on.net> - 2019-05-28 15:50 +0200
Re: That time IPv6 farted in Gene's church (Was Re: forcedeth?) Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-05-28 17:00 +0200
Re: That time IPv6 farted in Gene's church (Was Re: forcedeth?) "Stephen P. Molnar" <s.molnar@sbcglobal.net> - 2019-05-28 14:50 +0200
Re: That time IPv6 farted in Gene's church (Was Re: forcedeth?) Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-05-27 19:20 +0200
IPV6 hosts file (was: Re: That time IPv6 farted in Gene's church (Was Re: forcedeth?)) rhkramer@gmail.com - 2019-05-27 15:00 +0200
Re: IPV6 hosts file (was: Re: That time IPv6 farted in Gene's church (Was Re: forcedeth?)) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2019-05-27 15:20 +0200
Re: IPV6 hosts file (was: Re: That time IPv6 farted in Gene's church (Was Re: forcedeth?)) Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-05-27 20:20 +0200
Re: IPV6 hosts file (was: Re: That time IPv6 farted in Gene's church (Was Re: forcedeth?)) Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2019-05-27 21:30 +0200
Re: IPV6 hosts file (was: Re: That time IPv6 farted in Gene's church (Was Re: forcedeth?)) Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-05-27 23:10 +0200
Re: IPV6 hosts file (was: Re: That time IPv6 farted in Gene's church (Was Re: forcedeth?)) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2019-05-28 06:40 +0200
Re: IPV6 hosts file (was: Re: That time IPv6 farted in Gene's church (Was Re: forcedeth?)) Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2019-05-28 07:50 +0200
Re: IPV6 hosts file (was: Re: That time IPv6 farted in Gene's church (Was Re: forcedeth?)) Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-05-28 14:40 +0200
Re: IPV6 hosts file (was: Re: That time IPv6 farted in Gene's church (Was Re: forcedeth?)) Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-05-28 15:00 +0200
Re: IPV6 hosts file (was: Re: That time IPv6 farted in Gene's church (Was Re: forcedeth?)) Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-05-28 15:10 +0200
Re: IPV6 hosts file (was: Re: That time IPv6 farted in Gene's church (Was Re: forcedeth?)) Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2019-05-28 15:10 +0200
Re: IPV6 hosts file (was: Re: That time IPv6 farted in Gene's church (Was Re: forcedeth?)) Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2019-05-28 15:40 +0200
Re: IPV6 hosts file (was: Re: That time IPv6 farted in Gene's church (Was Re: forcedeth?)) Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-05-28 16:30 +0200
Re: IPV6 hosts file (was: Re: That time IPv6 farted in Gene's church (Was Re: forcedeth?)) Erik Christiansen <dvalin@internode.on.net> - 2019-05-28 13:10 +0200
Re: IPV6 hosts file (was: Re: That time IPv6 farted in Gene's church (Was Re: forcedeth?)) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2019-05-28 15:00 +0200
Re: IPV6 hosts file (was: Re: That time IPv6 farted in Gene's church (Was Re: forcedeth?)) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2019-05-28 15:30 +0200
Re: IPV6 hosts file (was: Re: That time IPv6 farted in Gene's church (Was Re: forcedeth?)) Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-05-28 16:00 +0200
Re: IPV6 hosts file (was: Re: That time IPv6 farted in Gene's church (Was Re: forcedeth?)) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2019-05-28 16:50 +0200
Re: IPV6 hosts file (was: Re: That time IPv6 farted in Gene's church (Was Re: forcedeth?)) Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-05-28 15:30 +0200
Re: IPV6 hosts file (was: Re: That time IPv6 farted in Gene's church (Was Re: forcedeth?)) Erik Christiansen <dvalin@internode.on.net> - 2019-05-28 15:40 +0200
Re: IPV6 hosts file (was: Re: That time IPv6 farted in Gene's church (Was Re: forcedeth?)) Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-05-28 16:20 +0200
Re: IPV6 hosts file (was: Re: That time IPv6 farted in Gene's church (Was Re: forcedeth?)) Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-05-28 15:00 +0200
Re: IPV6 hosts file (was: Re: That time IPv6 farted in Gene's church (Was Re: forcedeth?)) Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-05-28 03:00 +0200
Re: forcedeth? rhkramer@gmail.com - 2019-05-25 18:40 +0200
Re: forcedeth? Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-05-25 19:10 +0200
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| From | Jimmy Johnson <field.engineer@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2019-05-27 19:30 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: That time IPv6 farted in Gene's church (Was Re: forcedeth?) |
| Message-ID | <y2rBD-8bH-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #209213 |
On 05/27/2019 01:51 AM, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > Quoting Curt (2019-05-27 09:46:00) >> On 2019-05-27, <tomas@tuxteam.de> <tomas@tuxteam.de> wrote: >>> If Network Manager is giving you grief, please go bark up /that/ >>> tree (I can't say much about N-M, because I banned it from my boxes >>> about ten years ago: I was at a customer's, in his LAN via an >>> Ethernet, when N-M suddenly saw a WLAN out there, out the window and >>> said "oh, let's go online over there" and obliterated my network >>> setting in favor of some seedy captive portal. That was when I >>> decided that N-M and me, we aren't made for each other). >>> >> >> This is a grave bug. I suppose we can assume from your description >> that the seedier the wifi portal, the more likely it is to >> spontaneously occur, despite any and all user configuration or >> intervention. >> >> Would it be possible to post the link to your bug report? To your >> knowledge has the bug been fixed since you reported it a decade ago? >> As many users here including myself rely on the N-M app, I'm sure we >> would all be interested in knowing where we stand. > > I fully agree, this is a quite scary and severe bug in network-manager > that I want to inspect closer as Debian Developer. > > Please do share information about where it was reported to I can follow > up on it. I sincerely hope that it has not gone unfixed through these > many years!!! Who needs it and what for? Why is NetworkManager installed? -- Jimmy Johnson 14.2 - KDE - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda9 - Registered Linux User #380263
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| From | Jimmy Johnson <field.engineer@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2019-05-27 19:30 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: That time IPv6 farted in Gene's church (Was Re: forcedeth?) |
| Message-ID | <y2rBD-8bH-7@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #209209 |
On 05/27/2019 12:46 AM, Curt wrote: > On 2019-05-27, <tomas@tuxteam.de> <tomas@tuxteam.de> wrote: >> >> >> If Network Manager is giving you grief, please go bark up /that/ tree >> (I can't say much about N-M, because I banned it from my boxes about >> ten years ago: I was at a customer's, in his LAN via an Ethernet, when >> N-M suddenly saw a WLAN out there, out the window and said "oh, let's >> go online over there" and obliterated my network setting in favor of >> some seedy captive portal. That was when I decided that N-M and me, >> we aren't made for each other). >> > > This is a grave bug. I suppose we can assume from your description that > the seedier the wifi portal, the more likely it is to spontaneously > occur, despite any and all user configuration or intervention. > > Would it be possible to post the link to your bug report? To your > knowledge has the bug been fixed since you reported it a decade ago? As > many users here including myself rely on the N-M app, I'm sure we would > all be interested in knowing where we stand. Who needs NetworkManager and why? Thanks, -- Jimmy Johnson 14.2 - KDE - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda9 - Registered Linux User #380263
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| From | Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2019-05-27 22:00 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: That time IPv6 farted in Gene's church (Was Re: forcedeth?) |
| Message-ID | <y2tWO-15y-9@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #209245 |
On Mon 27 May 2019 at 10:19:45 -0700, Jimmy Johnson wrote: > On 05/27/2019 12:46 AM, Curt wrote: > > On 2019-05-27, <tomas@tuxteam.de> <tomas@tuxteam.de> wrote: > > > > > > > > > If Network Manager is giving you grief, please go bark up /that/ tree > > > (I can't say much about N-M, because I banned it from my boxes about > > > ten years ago: I was at a customer's, in his LAN via an Ethernet, when > > > N-M suddenly saw a WLAN out there, out the window and said "oh, let's > > > go online over there" and obliterated my network setting in favor of > > > some seedy captive portal. That was when I decided that N-M and me, > > > we aren't made for each other). > > > > > > > This is a grave bug. I suppose we can assume from your description that > > the seedier the wifi portal, the more likely it is to spontaneously > > occur, despite any and all user configuration or intervention. > > > > Would it be possible to post the link to your bug report? To your > > knowledge has the bug been fixed since you reported it a decade ago? As > > many users here including myself rely on the N-M app, I'm sure we would > > all be interested in knowing where we stand. > > Who needs NetworkManager and why? Curt's query was concise and to the point. You are obviously unable to respond to it in a manner which advances the discusion. Hence your pathetic attempt at topic divergence. Please try to read and respond sympathetically to the posts in -user. -- Brian.
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| From | Jimmy Johnson <field.engineer@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2019-05-28 08:40 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: That time IPv6 farted in Gene's church (Was Re: forcedeth?) |
| Message-ID | <y2DW9-7xW-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #209260 |
On 05/27/2019 12:54 PM, Brian wrote: > On Mon 27 May 2019 at 10:19:45 -0700, Jimmy Johnson wrote: > >> On 05/27/2019 12:46 AM, Curt wrote: >>> On 2019-05-27, <tomas@tuxteam.de> <tomas@tuxteam.de> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> If Network Manager is giving you grief, please go bark up /that/ tree >>>> (I can't say much about N-M, because I banned it from my boxes about >>>> ten years ago: I was at a customer's, in his LAN via an Ethernet, when >>>> N-M suddenly saw a WLAN out there, out the window and said "oh, let's >>>> go online over there" and obliterated my network setting in favor of >>>> some seedy captive portal. That was when I decided that N-M and me, >>>> we aren't made for each other). >>>> >>> >>> This is a grave bug. I suppose we can assume from your description that >>> the seedier the wifi portal, the more likely it is to spontaneously >>> occur, despite any and all user configuration or intervention. >>> >>> Would it be possible to post the link to your bug report? To your >>> knowledge has the bug been fixed since you reported it a decade ago? As >>> many users here including myself rely on the N-M app, I'm sure we would >>> all be interested in knowing where we stand. >> >> Who needs NetworkManager and why? > > Curt's query was concise and to the point. You are obviously unable > to respond to it in a manner which advances the discusion. Hence your > pathetic attempt at topic divergence. > > Please try to read and respond sympathetically to the posts in -user. No, seriously I would like to get some user feedback to the question. And also why is net-tools being deprecated? -- Jimmy Johnson 14.2 - KDE - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda9 - Registered Linux User #380263
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| From | Erik Christiansen <dvalin@internode.on.net> |
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| Date | 2019-05-28 13:20 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: That time IPv6 farted in Gene's church (Was Re: forcedeth?) |
| Message-ID | <y2Ij7-1U6-7@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #209283 |
On 27.05.19 23:32, Jimmy Johnson wrote: > No, seriously I would like to get some user feedback to the question. > And also why is net-tools being deprecated? It's not. You and I fully approve of it, so it's fine for the use cases in which it gives the desired results. (See ifconfig use on this thread.) It's Network-Munger which I have had to deprecate right off my machines in the past, in order to get static networking running. If I were Gene, I'd blow it away first, ask questions afterwards. But that's just my experience. His WV mountain gremlins might have placed other obstacles, but one less can only help in this case. Erik
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| From | Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> |
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| Date | 2019-05-27 19:50 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: That time IPv6 farted in Gene's church (Was Re: forcedeth?) |
| Message-ID | <y2rV0-8iI-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #209209 |
On Monday 27 May 2019 03:46:00 am Curt wrote: > On 2019-05-27, <tomas@tuxteam.de> <tomas@tuxteam.de> wrote: > > If Network Manager is giving you grief, please go bark up /that/ > > tree (I can't say much about N-M, because I banned it from my boxes > > about ten years ago: I was at a customer's, in his LAN via an > > Ethernet, when N-M suddenly saw a WLAN out there, out the window and > > said "oh, let's go online over there" and obliterated my network > > setting in favor of some seedy captive portal. That was when I > > decided that N-M and me, we aren't made for each other). > > This is a grave bug. I suppose we can assume from your description > that the seedier the wifi portal, the more likely it is to > spontaneously occur, despite any and all user configuration or > intervention. This would appear to be more common, but as far as filing a bug report, I logged in to do something in 2015, creating a new account at the time, so now it refuses to let me in because the username content rules have been changed and my username is now invalid. And because it knows my email address, it won't let me create a new account. So its the classic chicken v egg. I am locked out, so I rant on this list. So if your are scanning the bugs looking for my submissions, taint gonna happen. I have emailed admin and postmaster to ask that my account be expunged so I can create a new one, but like most such emails its been dumped to /dev/null, or at least ignored. I never got a bounce msg. Those bounces I do get are because my ISP's spam filtering is a hell of a lot better than bendels. I have looked at the message bendel claimed was bounced, and with an exception in the last since wheezy time scale, every one of those bounced messages were spam/phishing. So my isp bounces it, and then I get a msg threatening to unsub me from bendel. We've also had this discussion several times since 2015. Fix it so I can file a bug report, and you will get bug reports. Till then....... > > Would it be possible to post the link to your bug report? To your > knowledge has the bug been fixed since you reported it a decade ago? > As many users here including myself rely on the N-M app, I'm sure we > would all be interested in knowing where we stand. Cheers, Gene Heskett -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
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| From | Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2019-05-27 21:30 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: That time IPv6 farted in Gene's church (Was Re: forcedeth?) |
| Message-ID | <y2ttM-Uq-7@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #209248 |
On Mon 27 May 2019 at 13:42:46 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Monday 27 May 2019 03:46:00 am Curt wrote: > > > On 2019-05-27, <tomas@tuxteam.de> <tomas@tuxteam.de> wrote: > > > If Network Manager is giving you grief, please go bark up /that/ > > > tree (I can't say much about N-M, because I banned it from my boxes > > > about ten years ago: I was at a customer's, in his LAN via an > > > Ethernet, when N-M suddenly saw a WLAN out there, out the window and > > > said "oh, let's go online over there" and obliterated my network > > > setting in favor of some seedy captive portal. That was when I > > > decided that N-M and me, we aren't made for each other). > > > > This is a grave bug. I suppose we can assume from your description > > that the seedier the wifi portal, the more likely it is to > > spontaneously occur, despite any and all user configuration or > > intervention. > > This would appear to be more common, but as far as filing a bug report, I > logged in to do something in 2015, creating a new account at the time, > so now it refuses to let me in because the username content rules have > been changed and my username is now invalid. And because it knows my > email address, it won't let me create a new account. So its the classic > chicken v egg. I am locked out, so I rant on this list. Let's get this totally straight. Whatever you logged into was not the BTS. No account needs to be set up to report a bug. You can rant as much as you want, but whatever you did is now unknown and it is extremely doubtful you can supply details. And, to make it clear - the BTS is open to anyone without setting up an account. Please do not downplay the importance of this when it comes to user involvement. Chicken and eggs have nothing to do with it; your vague, FUDDY stuff does a disservice to yourself and Debian. > So if your are scanning the bugs looking for my submissions, taint gonna > happen. I have emailed admin and postmaster to ask that my account be > expunged so I can create a new one, but like most such emails its been > dumped to /dev/null, or at least ignored. I never got a bounce msg. What account? > > Those bounces I do get are because my ISP's spam filtering is a hell of a > lot better than bendels. I have looked at the message bendel claimed was > bounced, and with an exception in the last since wheezy time scale, > every one of those bounced messages were spam/phishing. So my isp > bounces it, and then I get a msg threatening to unsub me from bendel. Totally irrelevant. > We've also had this discussion several times since 2015. Fix it so I can > file a bug report, and you will get bug reports. Till then....... Nothing on the Debian side needs to be fixed. We have tried to fix users but some are unfixable. :) -- Brian
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| From | Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> |
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| Date | 2019-05-27 23:30 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: That time IPv6 farted in Gene's church (Was Re: forcedeth?) |
| Message-ID | <y2vlT-26a-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #209257 |
On Monday 27 May 2019 03:25:21 pm Brian wrote: > On Mon 27 May 2019 at 13:42:46 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > > On Monday 27 May 2019 03:46:00 am Curt wrote: > > > On 2019-05-27, <tomas@tuxteam.de> <tomas@tuxteam.de> wrote: > > > > If Network Manager is giving you grief, please go bark up /that/ > > > > tree (I can't say much about N-M, because I banned it from my > > > > boxes about ten years ago: I was at a customer's, in his LAN via > > > > an Ethernet, when N-M suddenly saw a WLAN out there, out the > > > > window and said "oh, let's go online over there" and obliterated > > > > my network setting in favor of some seedy captive portal. That > > > > was when I decided that N-M and me, we aren't made for each > > > > other). > > > > > > This is a grave bug. I suppose we can assume from your description > > > that the seedier the wifi portal, the more likely it is to > > > spontaneously occur, despite any and all user configuration or > > > intervention. > > > > This would appear to be more common, but as far as filing a bug > > report, I logged in to do something in 2015, creating a new account > > at the time, so now it refuses to let me in because the username > > content rules have been changed and my username is now invalid. And > > because it knows my email address, it won't let me create a new > > account. So its the classic chicken v egg. I am locked out, so I > > rant on this list. > > Let's get this totally straight. Whatever you logged into was not the > BTS. No account needs to be set up to report a bug. You can rant as > much as you want, but whatever you did is now unknown and it is > extremely doubtful you can supply details. Then what was I looking at 3 hours ago, looked like a login form to me, wanted my username, my real name and my email address. That popped up and denied me access when I clicked on add bug in the upper right corner of the screen? It flat refused to let me proceed without a valid login. Yet you're telling me it should sail right on by just by clicking on the add button? One of us is full of it. I'd much rather believe your ethernet chips MAC is your passwd because you've told it to keep you logged in. But I am all for hammering on this till it does work... > And, to make it clear - the BTS is open to anyone without setting up > an account. Please do not downplay the importance of this when it > comes to user involvement. Chicken and eggs have nothing to do with > it; your vague, FUDDY stuff does a disservice to yourself and Debian. It denied me access. So what the heck am I supposed to do next? I'm all ears. > > So if your are scanning the bugs looking for my submissions, taint > > gonna happen. I have emailed admin and postmaster to ask that my > > account be expunged so I can create a new one, but like most such > > emails its been dumped to /dev/null, or at least ignored. I never > > got a bounce msg. > > What account? > > > Those bounces I do get are because my ISP's spam filtering is a hell > > of a lot better than bendels. I have looked at the message bendel > > claimed was bounced, and with an exception in the last since wheezy > > time scale, every one of those bounced messages were spam/phishing. > > So my isp bounces it, and then I get a msg threatening to unsub me > > from bendel. > > Totally irrelevant. > > > We've also had this discussion several times since 2015. Fix it so I > > can file a bug report, and you will get bug reports. Till > > then....... > > Nothing on the Debian side needs to be fixed. We have tried to fix > users but some are unfixable. :) Cheers, Gene Heskett -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
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| From | Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2019-05-28 00:50 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: That time IPv6 farted in Gene's church (Was Re: forcedeth?) |
| Message-ID | <y2wBj-2NI-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #209262 |
On Mon 27 May 2019 at 17:22:30 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Monday 27 May 2019 03:25:21 pm Brian wrote: > > > On Mon 27 May 2019 at 13:42:46 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > > > On Monday 27 May 2019 03:46:00 am Curt wrote: > > > > On 2019-05-27, <tomas@tuxteam.de> <tomas@tuxteam.de> wrote: > > > > > If Network Manager is giving you grief, please go bark up /that/ > > > > > tree (I can't say much about N-M, because I banned it from my > > > > > boxes about ten years ago: I was at a customer's, in his LAN via > > > > > an Ethernet, when N-M suddenly saw a WLAN out there, out the > > > > > window and said "oh, let's go online over there" and obliterated > > > > > my network setting in favor of some seedy captive portal. That > > > > > was when I decided that N-M and me, we aren't made for each > > > > > other). > > > > > > > > This is a grave bug. I suppose we can assume from your description > > > > that the seedier the wifi portal, the more likely it is to > > > > spontaneously occur, despite any and all user configuration or > > > > intervention. > > > > > > This would appear to be more common, but as far as filing a bug > > > report, I logged in to do something in 2015, creating a new account > > > at the time, so now it refuses to let me in because the username > > > content rules have been changed and my username is now invalid. And > > > because it knows my email address, it won't let me create a new > > > account. So its the classic chicken v egg. I am locked out, so I > > > rant on this list. > > > > Let's get this totally straight. Whatever you logged into was not the > > BTS. No account needs to be set up to report a bug. You can rant as > > much as you want, but whatever you did is now unknown and it is > > extremely doubtful you can supply details. > > Then what was I looking at 3 hours ago, looked like a login form to me, > wanted my username, my real name and my email address. That popped up > and denied me access when I clicked on add bug in the upper right corner > of the screen? It flat refused to let me proceed without a valid login. > Yet you're telling me it should sail right on by just by clicking on the > add button? You know the pack drill. Give a link to what you were looking at. -- Brian.
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| From | Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> |
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| Date | 2019-05-28 04:50 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: That time IPv6 farted in Gene's church (Was Re: forcedeth?) |
| Message-ID | <y2Alz-5cE-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #209266 |
On Monday 27 May 2019 06:45:42 pm Brian wrote: > On Mon 27 May 2019 at 17:22:30 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > > On Monday 27 May 2019 03:25:21 pm Brian wrote: > > > On Mon 27 May 2019 at 13:42:46 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > > > > On Monday 27 May 2019 03:46:00 am Curt wrote: > > > > > On 2019-05-27, <tomas@tuxteam.de> <tomas@tuxteam.de> wrote: > > > > > > If Network Manager is giving you grief, please go bark up > > > > > > /that/ tree (I can't say much about N-M, because I banned it > > > > > > from my boxes about ten years ago: I was at a customer's, in > > > > > > his LAN via an Ethernet, when N-M suddenly saw a WLAN out > > > > > > there, out the window and said "oh, let's go online over > > > > > > there" and obliterated my network setting in favor of some > > > > > > seedy captive portal. That was when I decided that N-M and > > > > > > me, we aren't made for each other). > > > > > > > > > > This is a grave bug. I suppose we can assume from your > > > > > description that the seedier the wifi portal, the more likely > > > > > it is to spontaneously occur, despite any and all user > > > > > configuration or intervention. > > > > > > > > This would appear to be more common, but as far as filing a bug > > > > report, I logged in to do something in 2015, creating a new > > > > account at the time, so now it refuses to let me in because the > > > > username content rules have been changed and my username is now > > > > invalid. And because it knows my email address, it won't let me > > > > create a new account. So its the classic chicken v egg. I am > > > > locked out, so I rant on this list. > > > > > > Let's get this totally straight. Whatever you logged into was not > > > the BTS. No account needs to be set up to report a bug. You can > > > rant as much as you want, but whatever you did is now unknown and > > > it is extremely doubtful you can supply details. > > > > Then what was I looking at 3 hours ago, looked like a login form to > > me, wanted my username, my real name and my email address. That > > popped up and denied me access when I clicked on add bug in the > > upper right corner of the screen? It flat refused to let me proceed > > without a valid login. Yet you're telling me it should sail right on > > by just by clicking on the add button? > > You know the pack drill. Give a link to what you were looking at. The link came from a post to this list, 2 or so days back. And my plastic eyes are fogging up from lack of sleep, so I am not going to try to find it yet tonight. Cheers, Gene Heskett -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
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| From | mick crane <mick.crane@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2019-05-28 05:10 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: That time IPv6 farted in Gene's church (Was Re: forcedeth?) |
| Message-ID | <y2AEV-5yK-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #209262 |
On 2019-05-27 22:22, Gene Heskett wrote: > Then what was I looking at 3 hours ago, looked like a login form to me, > wanted my username, my real name and my email address. That popped up > and denied me access when I clicked on add bug in the upper right > corner > of the screen? It flat refused to let me proceed without a valid login. > Yet you're telling me it should sail right on by just by clicking on > the > add button? > This might be an issue with your browser. mick -- Key ID 4BFEBB31
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| From | Jonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk> |
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| Date | 2019-05-27 21:50 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: That time IPv6 farted in Gene's church (Was Re: forcedeth?) |
| Message-ID | <y2tN7-11M-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #209248 |
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Quoting Gene Heskett (2019-05-27 19:42:46) > On Monday 27 May 2019 03:46:00 am Curt wrote: > > > On 2019-05-27, <tomas@tuxteam.de> <tomas@tuxteam.de> wrote: > > > If Network Manager is giving you grief, please go bark up /that/ > > > tree (I can't say much about N-M, because I banned it from my > > > boxes about ten years ago: I was at a customer's, in his LAN via > > > an Ethernet, when N-M suddenly saw a WLAN out there, out the > > > window and said "oh, let's go online over there" and obliterated > > > my network setting in favor of some seedy captive portal. That was > > > when I decided that N-M and me, we aren't made for each other). > > > > This is a grave bug. I suppose we can assume from your description > > that the seedier the wifi portal, the more likely it is to > > spontaneously occur, despite any and all user configuration or > > intervention. > > This would appear to be more common, but as far as filing a bug > report, I logged in to do something in 2015, creating a new account at > the time, so now it refuses to let me in because the username content > rules have been changed and my username is now invalid. And because > it knows my email address, it won't let me create a new account. So > its the classic chicken v egg. I am locked out, so I rant on this > list. Account? You need no account to report bugs in Debian: https://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting - Jonas -- * Jonas Smedegaard - idealist & Internet-arkitekt * Tlf.: +45 40843136 Website: http://dr.jones.dk/ [x] quote me freely [ ] ask before reusing [ ] keep private
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| From | Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> |
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| Date | 2019-05-28 00:20 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: That time IPv6 farted in Gene's church (Was Re: forcedeth?) |
| Message-ID | <y2w8h-2Dm-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #209259 |
On Monday 27 May 2019 03:42:52 pm Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > Quoting Gene Heskett (2019-05-27 19:42:46) > > > On Monday 27 May 2019 03:46:00 am Curt wrote: > > > On 2019-05-27, <tomas@tuxteam.de> <tomas@tuxteam.de> wrote: > > > > If Network Manager is giving you grief, please go bark up /that/ > > > > tree (I can't say much about N-M, because I banned it from my > > > > boxes about ten years ago: I was at a customer's, in his LAN via > > > > an Ethernet, when N-M suddenly saw a WLAN out there, out the > > > > window and said "oh, let's go online over there" and obliterated > > > > my network setting in favor of some seedy captive portal. That > > > > was when I decided that N-M and me, we aren't made for each > > > > other). > > > > > > This is a grave bug. I suppose we can assume from your description > > > that the seedier the wifi portal, the more likely it is to > > > spontaneously occur, despite any and all user configuration or > > > intervention. > > > > This would appear to be more common, but as far as filing a bug > > report, I logged in to do something in 2015, creating a new account > > at the time, so now it refuses to let me in because the username > > content rules have been changed and my username is now invalid. And > > because it knows my email address, it won't let me create a new > > account. So its the classic chicken v egg. I am locked out, so I > > rant on this list. > > Account? You need no account to report bugs in Debian: > https://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting > So that indicates I should have apt install reportbug, so I did. Configured it on 1st run. then became me and ran it again. It never heard of NetworkManager or Network-Manager. WTH? > > - Jonas Cheers, Gene Heskett -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
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| From | Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> |
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| Date | 2019-05-28 05:40 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: That time IPv6 farted in Gene's church (Was Re: forcedeth?) |
| Message-ID | <y2B7X-5Jg-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #209265 |
Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> writes: > On Monday 27 May 2019 03:42:52 pm Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > >> Quoting Gene Heskett (2019-05-27 19:42:46) >> >> > On Monday 27 May 2019 03:46:00 am Curt wrote: >> > > On 2019-05-27, <tomas@tuxteam.de> <tomas@tuxteam.de> wrote: >> > > > If Network Manager is giving you grief, please go bark up /that/ >> > > > tree (I can't say much about N-M, because I banned it from my >> > > > boxes about ten years ago: I was at a customer's, in his LAN via >> > > > an Ethernet, when N-M suddenly saw a WLAN out there, out the >> > > > window and said "oh, let's go online over there" and obliterated >> > > > my network setting in favor of some seedy captive portal. That >> > > > was when I decided that N-M and me, we aren't made for each >> > > > other). >> > > >> > > This is a grave bug. I suppose we can assume from your description >> > > that the seedier the wifi portal, the more likely it is to >> > > spontaneously occur, despite any and all user configuration or >> > > intervention. >> > >> > This would appear to be more common, but as far as filing a bug >> > report, I logged in to do something in 2015, creating a new account >> > at the time, so now it refuses to let me in because the username >> > content rules have been changed and my username is now invalid. And >> > because it knows my email address, it won't let me create a new >> > account. So its the classic chicken v egg. I am locked out, so I >> > rant on this list. >> >> Account? You need no account to report bugs in Debian: >> https://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting >> > So that indicates I should have apt install reportbug, so I did. > Configured it on 1st run. then became me and ran it again. It never > heard of NetworkManager or Network-Manager. WTH? Debian package names are all lower case, and for better or worse the package management software is case-sensitive. snowball:532$ reportbug Please enter the name of the package in which you have found a problem, or type 'other' to report a more general problem. If you don't know what package the bug is in, please contact debian-user@lists.debian.org for assistance. > network-manager *** Welcome to reportbug. Use ? for help at prompts. *** Note: bug reports are publicly archived (including the email address of the submitter). Detected character set: UTF-8 Please change your locale if this is incorrect. Using 'Joe Pfeiffer <joseph@pfeifferfamily.net>' as your from address. Getting status for network-manager... Checking for newer versions at madison... Your version (1.14.6-2) of network-manager appears to be out of date. The following newer release(s) are available in the Debian archive: experimental: 1.18.0-1 Please try to verify if the bug you are about to report is already addressed by these releases. Do you still want to file a report [y|N|q|?]? (at which point I entered a ^C since I didn't actually want to report a bug)
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| From | Curt <curty@free.fr> |
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| Date | 2019-05-28 09:50 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: That time IPv6 farted in Gene's church (Was Re: forcedeth?) |
| Message-ID | <y2F1T-8bE-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #209274 |
On 2019-05-28, Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> wrote: > experimental: 1.18.0-1 > Please try to verify if the bug you are about to report is already addressed by these releases. Do you still want to file a report [y|N|q|?]? Think I might've entered 'q' here on the off chance it represented the word quit. Maybe it means "'q'ueue the report for further reflection," though. ;-) > (at which point I entered a ^C since I didn't actually want to report a > bug) > 'N' also seems a reasonable alternative. 'y' is first in line, but 'N' is upper case, and there must be a reason for that, so I'm thinking if you just hit enter the default would be to do nothing (no). On a more serious note, as exim is set up to deliver only local mail on many machines (default installation), what happens when you cannot hand your bug report over to a sendmail-like MTA? -- “Decisions are never really made – at best they manage to emerge, from a chaos of peeves, whims, hallucinations and all around assholery.” – Thomas Pynchon
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| From | Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> |
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| Date | 2019-05-28 10:00 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: That time IPv6 farted in Gene's church (Was Re: forcedeth?) |
| Message-ID | <y2FbA-8fe-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #209286 |
Hi. On Tue, May 28, 2019 at 07:47:36AM -0000, Curt wrote: > On a more serious note, as exim is set up to deliver only local mail on > many machines (default installation), what happens when you cannot hand > your bug report over to a sendmail-like MTA? The expected thing happens. Your exim tries to send an e-mail to submit@bugs.debian.org, discovers that it's disallowed to do so, and sends that 'Unable to deliver' e-mail back to the user who has run reportbug. Reportbug also sends the same e-mail to the user who run it, so at least you have your bugreport verbatim. Reco
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| From | <tomas@tuxteam.de> |
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| Date | 2019-05-28 10:50 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: That time IPv6 farted in Gene's church (Was Re: forcedeth?) |
| Message-ID | <y2FXX-jW-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #209287 |
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On Tue, May 28, 2019 at 10:59:41AM +0300, Reco wrote: > Hi. > > On Tue, May 28, 2019 at 07:47:36AM -0000, Curt wrote: > > On a more serious note, as exim is set up to deliver only local mail on > > many machines (default installation), what happens when you cannot hand > > your bug report over to a sendmail-like MTA? > > The expected thing happens. > Your exim tries to send an e-mail to submit@bugs.debian.org [...] See also the -o <file> option, which guides reportbug to dump its output to <file> so you can mail it later with whatever method you send out mails. Alternatively, the -M <mta> options, which lets you choose the MTA via which you want to send mail. And others. It's all in the man page... cheers "If everything else fails, check the instructions" -- tomás
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| From | Jonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk> |
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| Date | 2019-05-28 10:00 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: That time IPv6 farted in Gene's church (Was Re: forcedeth?) |
| Message-ID | <y2FbA-8fe-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #209286 |
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Quoting Curt (2019-05-28 09:47:36) > On 2019-05-28, Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> wrote: > > > experimental: 1.18.0-1 > > Please try to verify if the bug you are about to report is already addressed by these releases. Do you still want to file a report [y|N|q|?]? > > Think I might've entered 'q' here on the off chance it represented the word > quit. Maybe it means "'q'ueue the report for further reflection," though. > > ;-) > > > (at which point I entered a ^C since I didn't actually want to report a > > bug) > > > > 'N' also seems a reasonable alternative. 'y' is first in line, but 'N' > is upper case, and there must be a reason for that, so I'm thinking if > you just hit enter the default would be to do nothing (no). > > On a more serious note, as exim is set up to deliver only local mail on > many machines (default installation), what happens when you cannot hand > your bug report over to a sendmail-like MTA? First you actually _read_ https://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting and then if you are still lost you come back here and ask for help - skipping all the "funny" jokes that might discourage some from wanting to spend time on having a dialogue with you. - Jonas -- * Jonas Smedegaard - idealist & Internet-arkitekt * Tlf.: +45 40843136 Website: http://dr.jones.dk/ [x] quote me freely [ ] ask before reusing [ ] keep private
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| From | Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> |
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| Date | 2019-05-28 18:00 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: That time IPv6 farted in Gene's church (Was Re: forcedeth?) |
| Message-ID | <y2MG5-4um-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #209286 |
Curt <curty@free.fr> writes: > On 2019-05-28, Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> wrote: > >> experimental: 1.18.0-1 >> Please try to verify if the bug you are about to report is already >> addressed by these releases. Do you still want to file a report >> [y|N|q|?]? > > Think I might've entered 'q' here on the off chance it represented the word > quit. Maybe it means "'q'ueue the report for further reflection," though. > > ;-) No, it does mean 'quit' >> (at which point I entered a ^C since I didn't actually want to report a >> bug) >> > > 'N' also seems a reasonable alternative. 'y' is first in line, but 'N' > is upper case, and there must be a reason for that, so I'm thinking if > you just hit enter the default would be to do nothing (no). I don't remember... I don't think I've ever taken the default option! > On a more serious note, as exim is set up to deliver only local mail on > many machines (default installation), what happens when you cannot hand > your bug report over to a sendmail-like MTA? The exim4 installation provides a symbolic link snowball:558$ ls -l /usr/sbin/sendmail lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 5 May 7 11:44 /usr/sbin/sendmail -> exim4*
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| From | Curt <curty@free.fr> |
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| Date | 2019-05-28 18:50 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: That time IPv6 farted in Gene's church (Was Re: forcedeth?) |
| Message-ID | <y2Nsu-51T-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #209321 |
On 2019-05-28, Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> wrote: > > The exim4 installation provides a symbolic link > > snowball:558$ ls -l /usr/sbin/sendmail > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 5 May 7 11:44 /usr/sbin/sendmail -> exim4* > Actually, the right way to configure reportbug on a local-mail-only system is to "run the command reportbug --configure and answer “no” to the question if an MTA is available. You will then be asked for the SMTP server to be used for submitting bug reports." https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch08s05.html.en
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