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  Atril documentation problems Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2019-02-27 19:00 +0100
    Re: Atril documentation problems Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2019-02-27 20:40 +0100
      Re: Atril documentation problems Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2019-02-27 22:00 +0100
        Re: Atril documentation problems Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2019-02-28 00:10 +0100
          Re: Atril documentation problems Michael Lange <klappnase@freenet.de> - 2019-02-28 09:00 +0100
    Re: Atril documentation problems "Alexander V. Makartsev" <avbetev@gmail.com> - 2019-02-27 22:00 +0100
      Re: Atril documentation problems Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2019-02-28 13:30 +0100
        Re: Atril documentation problems "Alexander V. Makartsev" <avbetev@gmail.com> - 2019-02-28 13:50 +0100
          Re: Atril documentation problems Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2019-02-28 18:00 +0100
            Re: Atril documentation problems "Alexander V. Makartsev" <avbetev@gmail.com> - 2019-02-28 20:00 +0100
            Re: Atril documentation problems Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2019-03-03 10:10 +0100
              Re: Atril documentation problems Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2019-03-03 10:20 +0100
                Re: Atril documentation problems Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2019-03-03 14:40 +0100
                  Re: Atril documentation problems Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2019-03-03 15:10 +0100
        Re: Atril documentation problems Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2019-02-28 14:50 +0100
    Re: Atril documentation problems David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2019-02-28 10:20 +0100
      Re: Atril documentation problems Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2019-02-28 13:50 +0100
        Re: Atril documentation problems Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2019-02-28 16:30 +0100
          Re: Atril documentation problems David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2019-02-28 17:00 +0100
            Re: Atril documentation problems Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2019-02-28 17:50 +0100
              Re: Atril documentation problems David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2019-02-28 18:20 +0100
                Re: Atril documentation problems Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2019-02-28 21:30 +0100
                  Re: Atril documentation problems David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2019-02-28 22:20 +0100
                    Re: Atril documentation problems Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2019-02-28 23:10 +0100
          Re: Atril documentation problems Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2019-02-28 17:40 +0100
            Re: Atril documentation problems David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2019-02-28 18:30 +0100
              Re: Atril documentation problems Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2019-02-28 18:40 +0100
                Re: Atril documentation problems Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2019-02-28 20:00 +0100
                  Re: Atril documentation problems Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2019-02-28 20:50 +0100
                    Re: Atril documentation problems David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2019-02-28 22:40 +0100

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#205829

On Thu 28 Feb 2019 at 10:42:03 (-0600), Richard Owlett wrote:
> On 02/28/2019 09:51 AM, David Wright wrote:
> > On Thu 28 Feb 2019 at 09:20:04 (-0600), Richard Owlett wrote:
> > > On 02/28/2019 06:47 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:
> > > > On 02/27/2019 03:26 PM, David Wright wrote:
> > > > > On Wed 27 Feb 2019 at 11:56:57 (-0600), Richard Owlett wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > > Is there a Debian package to read a PDF using a visible means of
> > > > > > highlighting the target text and capable of starting the search on any
> > > > > > page of the document?
> > > > > 
> > > > > Xpdf does that. Black on white. It starts each search from the
> > > > > previous one. It restarts a search at the top of the page you're on
> > > > > when you do things like select text, change the zoom factor, and
> > > > > so on.
> > 
> > > Although the man page states "You can also start xpdf without opening
> > > any files", there is not a *convenient* way to select a file to open
> > > [requires opening a sequence of multiple dialogs].
> > 
> > Right click and Open lies under the cursor. Standard dialogue box.
> > I'm not sure where your "multiple dialogs" come from; perhaps your
> > desktop is doing something.
> 
> I have gotten use to clicking on a directory to go down to next level.
> But xpdf expects you to click "Open" button to go down a level
> followed by choosing "Open" again in the dialogue box.

Doesn't your mouse do DoubleClick?

> You can skip that by entering the complete path in the "Selection" box.
> It fundamentally has a command line orientation with GUI as an extra.

Eh? You can bind keystrokes to a large number of commands (there are
defaults configured). Similarly it supports myriad-buttoned mice which
you can configure. The wheel scrolls both in pages and in dialogue boxes.
And there's the aforementioned Right click menu.

> I used to be command-line oriented (started with CPM-80) but spent to[o]
> many decades with Windows(tm).

I thought the above was fundamentally how 'doze worked.

Cheers,
David.

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#205839

On Thu 28 Feb 2019 at 11:15:05 -0600, David Wright wrote:

[Verocious snipping but the subject under discussion is the xpdf pdf reader]

> Eh? You can bind keystrokes to a large number of commands (there are
> defaults configured). Similarly it supports myriad-buttoned mice which
> you can configure. The wheel scrolls both in pages and in dialogue boxes.
> And there's the aforementioned Right click menu.

I am very fond of xpdf and, as you say, it is very configurable. I
still use it but, most of the time, I use mupdf. The latter is nowhere
as configurable. However, for reading a PDF, it is quick and and has
regular upstream updates, which isn't quite the case with xpdf.

The OP isn't really interested in changing from atril. He perceives a
problem with highlighting a search result. He wants a solution; he has
been given it. Eventually, he will report on the result of his efforts.

-- 
Brian.

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#205841

On Thu 28 Feb 2019 at 20:23:46 (+0000), Brian wrote:
> On Thu 28 Feb 2019 at 11:15:05 -0600, David Wright wrote:
> 
> [Verocious snipping but the subject under discussion is the xpdf pdf reader]
> 
> > Eh? You can bind keystrokes to a large number of commands (there are
> > defaults configured). Similarly it supports myriad-buttoned mice which
> > you can configure. The wheel scrolls both in pages and in dialogue boxes.
> > And there's the aforementioned Right click menu.
> 
> I am very fond of xpdf and, as you say, it is very configurable. I
> still use it but, most of the time, I use mupdf. The latter is nowhere
> as configurable. However, for reading a PDF, it is quick and and has
> regular upstream updates, which isn't quite the case with xpdf.

I've used mupdf, but not for PDFs. Is it configurable at all?

$ man mupdf | grep conf
$ 

Having no continuous scroll is fatal. So is not showing the entire
first page by default.

> The OP isn't really interested in changing from atril. He perceives a
> problem with highlighting a search result. He wants a solution; he has
> been given it. Eventually, he will report on the result of his efforts.

I'm aware of that, but after making my suggestion, the OP's responses
were misleading to anyone thinking about using xpdf.

Cheers,
David.

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#205843

On Thu 28 Feb 2019 at 15:14:52 -0600, David Wright wrote:

> On Thu 28 Feb 2019 at 20:23:46 (+0000), Brian wrote:
> > On Thu 28 Feb 2019 at 11:15:05 -0600, David Wright wrote:
> > 
> > [Verocious snipping but the subject under discussion is the xpdf pdf reader]
> > 
> > > Eh? You can bind keystrokes to a large number of commands (there are
> > > defaults configured). Similarly it supports myriad-buttoned mice which
> > > you can configure. The wheel scrolls both in pages and in dialogue boxes.
> > > And there's the aforementioned Right click menu.
> > 
> > I am very fond of xpdf and, as you say, it is very configurable. I
> > still use it but, most of the time, I use mupdf. The latter is nowhere
> > as configurable. However, for reading a PDF, it is quick and and has
> > regular upstream updates, which isn't quite the case with xpdf.
> 
> I've used mupdf, but not for PDFs. Is it configurable at all?

Not really. What you execute is what you get.

> $ man mupdf | grep conf
> $ 
> 
> Having no continuous scroll is fatal. So is not showing the entire
> first page by default.
> 
> > The OP isn't really interested in changing from atril. He perceives a
> > problem with highlighting a search result. He wants a solution; he has
> > been given it. Eventually, he will report on the result of his efforts.
> 
> I'm aware of that, but after making my suggestion, the OP's responses
> were misleading to anyone thinking about using xpdf.

What's new?

-- 
Brian.

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#205825

On 2019-02-28, Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> wrote:
>
> Had problem installing via Synaptic - reported not able to find correct 
> version of some cups related files. As I don't have a printer on the 
> machine, I continued.
>
> Although the man page states "You can also start xpdf without opening 
> any files", there is not a *convenient* way to select a file to open 
> [requires opening a sequence of multiple dialogs].

Pressing 'o' brings up the file browser here, but navigating away from the
current directory requires modifying the 'Filter', which ain't exactly
convenient in the modern sense.

> Highlighting search string works fine. Menus and controls are much too 
> small to be acceptable.
>
> As Curt and Alexander agree that my highlight problem with Evince is 
> desktop &/or theme related, I will pursue that.
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>


-- 
“Let us again pretend that life is a solid substance, shaped like a globe,
which we turn about in our fingers. Let us pretend that we can make out a plain
and logical story, so that when one matter is despatched--love for instance--
we go on, in an orderly manner, to the next.” - Virginia Woolf, The Waves

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#205830

On Thu 28 Feb 2019 at 16:32:16 (-0000), Curt wrote:
> On 2019-02-28, Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> wrote:
> >
> > Had problem installing via Synaptic - reported not able to find correct 
> > version of some cups related files. As I don't have a printer on the 
> > machine, I continued.
> >
> > Although the man page states "You can also start xpdf without opening 
> > any files", there is not a *convenient* way to select a file to open 
> > [requires opening a sequence of multiple dialogs].
> 
> Pressing 'o' brings up the file browser here, but navigating away from the
> current directory requires modifying the 'Filter', which ain't exactly
> convenient in the modern sense.

That's for o, which just gives you the current directory. Try pressing O.

(I thought *I* was the commandline user, not the DE advisor.)

Cheers,
David.

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#205831

On Thu 28 Feb 2019 at 11:20:07 -0600, David Wright wrote:

> On Thu 28 Feb 2019 at 16:32:16 (-0000), Curt wrote:
> > On 2019-02-28, Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > Had problem installing via Synaptic - reported not able to find correct 
> > > version of some cups related files. As I don't have a printer on the 
> > > machine, I continued.
> > >
> > > Although the man page states "You can also start xpdf without opening 
> > > any files", there is not a *convenient* way to select a file to open 
> > > [requires opening a sequence of multiple dialogs].
> > 
> > Pressing 'o' brings up the file browser here, but navigating away from the
> > current directory requires modifying the 'Filter', which ain't exactly
> > convenient in the modern sense.
> 
> That's for o, which just gives you the current directory. Try pressing O.

Both o an O give the current directory here. The manual has nothing
for O.

-- 
Brian.

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#205834

On 2019-02-28, Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> wrote:

> > Pressing 'o' brings up the file browser here, but navigating away from the
>> > current directory requires modifying the 'Filter', which ain't exactly
>> > convenient in the modern sense.
>> 
>> That's for o, which just gives you the current directory. Try pressing O.
>
> Both o an O give the current directory here. The manual has nothing
> for O.
>

I think it defaults to opening the last directory you were in the last
time you pressed o (or O) or something. 

-- 
“Let us again pretend that life is a solid substance, shaped like a globe,
which we turn about in our fingers. Let us pretend that we can make out a plain
and logical story, so that when one matter is despatched--love for instance--
we go on, in an orderly manner, to the next.” - Virginia Woolf, The Waves

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#205838

On Thu 28 Feb 2019 at 18:52:36 -0000, Curt wrote:

> On 2019-02-28, Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> > > Pressing 'o' brings up the file browser here, but navigating away from the
> >> > current directory requires modifying the 'Filter', which ain't exactly
> >> > convenient in the modern sense.
> >> 
> >> That's for o, which just gives you the current directory. Try pressing O.
> >
> > Both o an O give the current directory here. The manual has nothing
> > for O.
> >
> 
> I think it defaults to opening the last directory you were in the last
> time you pressed o (or O) or something.

I think you are correct - but only if you keep xpdf open. Close it and
it reverts to the current directory.

Anyway, I installed atril.

The OP had two "problems".

  > 1. When the keyword is found, it is highlighted(sic) in a page
  >    green foreground color. Is there any way to chose a more
  >    visible indicator?

  > 2. The find searches from the _beginning_ of the document.
  >    Is there any way to force it to begin searches at a specific
       page?

The visibility of the found item is treated by Alexander V. Makartsev.
My atril is on Xfce and altering the desktop environment theme does
indeed alter the highlight colour. The OP will come along in a while
and tell us it does the same for him.

The second point is incorrect; a misobservation? atril behaves as xpdf
does and starts at the displayed page.

-- 
Brian.

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#205842

On Thu 28 Feb 2019 at 19:46:03 (+0000), Brian wrote:
> On Thu 28 Feb 2019 at 18:52:36 -0000, Curt wrote:
> > On 2019-02-28, Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> wrote:
> > 
> > > > Pressing 'o' brings up the file browser here, but navigating away from the
> > >> > current directory requires modifying the 'Filter', which ain't exactly
> > >> > convenient in the modern sense.
> > >> 
> > >> That's for o, which just gives you the current directory. Try pressing O.

Perhaps I was confusing here. What I meant was that o gave a list of
files in its current directory, whereas O gave both that list
(labelled Files) and another pane of directories (labelled Directories).

> > > Both o an O give the current directory here. The manual has nothing
> > > for O.

With repeated use, o sometimes gave one pane, sometimes two.
O always gave two.

o is given twice in the man page, once under Key Bindings,
later under Default Key Bindings where it is joined by O.
The actions specified by o/O aren't distinguished.

As I pointed out, I'm no expert with opening files like this,
so I can't help if there are unknown bugs or (mis)features.

> > I think it defaults to opening the last directory you were in the last
> > time you pressed o (or O) or something.
> 
> I think you are correct - but only if you keep xpdf open. Close it and
> it reverts to the current directory.

Yes, its current directory is the last one navigated to, and
starts at the directory containing the file originally opened,
or the shell's pwd if there wasn't one.

> Anyway, I installed atril.

Too much cruft for me.

Cheers,
David.

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