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  OT : Windows 10 managed desktop Paul Sutton <zleap@disroot.org> - 2019-02-22 22:00 +0100
    Re: OT : Windows 10 managed desktop Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2019-02-24 02:10 +0100
      Re: OT : Windows 10 managed desktop deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2019-02-24 08:40 +0100
        Re: OT : Windows 10 managed desktop John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2019-02-24 15:50 +0100
          Re: OT : Windows 10 managed desktop Paul Sutton <zleap@disroot.org> - 2019-02-24 16:00 +0100
          Re: OT : Windows 10 managed desktop Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2019-02-25 14:30 +0100
            Re: OT : Windows 10 managed desktop Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2019-02-25 16:50 +0100
              Re: OT : Windows 10 managed desktop Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2019-02-26 04:10 +0100

#205667 — OT : Windows 10 managed desktop

Hi

Sorry if this this is off topic, but this is something that as a free
software we can perhaps take advantage of.

Just had this posted to my local Linux user group irc channel

https://www.computerworld.com/article/3293429/microsoft-windows/with-daas-windows-coming-say-goodbye-to-your-pc-as-you-know-it.html

Granted it seems to be dated July 2018 though

Essentially desktop as a service (DaaS,) so MS are going to try and grab
more control over our desktops  If this is a good reason to really push
Linux, free software, choice, and user control then it seems a good a
reason as any.

Just thought I would post, so people are aware and we can gather
comments on how we can really counter this otherwise it will just happen, 

A local training company provides courses provided by  specific
provider(s) so there is zero chance of offering alternative,  They
provide something called ITQ, (Computer course) which is, as you would
guess,  windows centric.

On this basis they  is zero chance of offering the same training but
using free software (eg libre office, thunderbird, firefox,  GPL
awareness etc).  

Not sure how we can counter all of this.  The advocacy teams have their
work cut out here.

Paul

-- 
Paul Sutton
http://www.zleap.net
https://www.linkedin.com/in/zleap/
gnupg : 7D6D B682 F351 8D08 1893  1E16 F086 5537 D066 302D

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#205717

On Fri, 22 Feb 2019 20:51:25 +0000
Paul Sutton <zleap@disroot.org> wrote:

> Hi
> 
> Sorry if this this is off topic, but this is something that as a free
> software we can perhaps take advantage of.
> 
> Just had this posted to my local Linux user group irc channel
> 
> https://www.computerworld.com/article/3293429/microsoft-windows/with-daas-windows-coming-say-goodbye-to-your-pc-as-you-know-it.html
> 
> Granted it seems to be dated July 2018 though
> 
> Essentially desktop as a service (DaaS,) so MS are going to try and grab
> more control over our desktops  If this is a good reason to really push
> Linux, free software, choice, and user control then it seems a good a
> reason as any.
> 
> Just thought I would post, so people are aware and we can gather
> comments on how we can really counter this otherwise it will just happen, 

...

> Not sure how we can counter all of this.  The advocacy teams have their
> work cut out here.

I'm not sure I follow - what's there to counter? Nothing in this plan
of Microsoft impacts our ability to run Linux, and it seems to be
relevant only to those who want to run Windows but still want more
control over their systems.

Celejar

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#205721

Celejar wrote:

>> Hi
>> 
>> Sorry if this this is off topic, but this is something that as a free
>> software we can perhaps take advantage of.
>> 
>> Just had this posted to my local Linux user group irc channel
>> 
>>
https://www.computerworld.com/article/3293429/microsoft-windows/with-daas-windows-coming-say-goodbye-to-your-pc-as-you-know-it.html
>> 
>> Granted it seems to be dated July 2018 though
>> 
>> Essentially desktop as a service (DaaS,) so MS are going to try and grab
>> more control over our desktops  If this is a good reason to really push
>> Linux, free software, choice, and user control then it seems a good a
>> reason as any.
>> 
>> Just thought I would post, so people are aware and we can gather
>> comments on how we can really counter this otherwise it will just happen,
> 
> ...
> 
>> Not sure how we can counter all of this.  The advocacy teams have their
>> work cut out here.
> 
> I'm not sure I follow - what's there to counter? Nothing in this plan
> of Microsoft impacts our ability to run Linux, and it seems to be
> relevant only to those who want to run Windows but still want more
> control over their systems.

I see another Che Guevara here :)

The want more profit - cause until now you payed 100 or 150 for perpetual
license - now you will have to pay on monthly bases. I am just wondering
how they are going to handle the end user licenses - are they going to make
a contract with each person and get this persons bank account.

regards

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#205728

Celejar quotes:
> Essentially desktop as a service (DaaS,) so MS are going to try and
> grab more control over our desktops  If this is a good reason to
> really push Linux, free software, choice, and user control then it
> seems a good a reason as any.

Unfortunately I don't think that more than a tiny minority of users will
see this as a problem, as long as it cost them no money.  They may
(quite erroneously) see it as relieving them of responsibility.

deloptes writes:
> The want more profit - cause until now you payed 100 or 150 for
> perpetual license - now you will have to pay on monthly bases. I am
> just wondering how they are going to handle the end user licenses -
> are they going to make a contract with each person and get this
> persons bank account.

They are already getting money from the manufacturers for installing
Windows on every machine, and most home desktops are replaced every few
years.  If they do anything it will be charging for upgrades, but I
don't think they will want to deal with the screams of outrage and
threats of legislation.  Instead I think that they will move more and
more functionality to their servers.  The OS will be pre-installed but
useful standalone applications will not.

However, I think that they also see the home desktop market as doomed.
I think that their goal now is to get end users started with Office 365
et alia on line so that when their smartphones gain enough capability
that they decide to dump the desktop Microsoft won't lose them.

Eventually almost all computers (including smartphones) available at
retail will probably be essentially intelligent graphic terminals with
firmware that can be altered only by automatic updates pushed out by the
manufacturers.  Google is more likely to be in charge than Microsoft,
though.

Businesses are already being pushed into the "software as a service"
model.  BTW that isn't new.  In the 60s and 70s one normally leased
mainframe software.
-- 
John Hasler 
jhasler@newsguy.com
Elmwood, WI USA

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#205730

On 24/02/2019 14:42, John Hasler wrote:
> Celejar quotes:
>> Essentially desktop as a service (DaaS,) so MS are going to try and
>> grab more control over our desktops  If this is a good reason to
>> really push Linux, free software, choice, and user control then it
>> seems a good a reason as any.
> Unfortunately I don't think that more than a tiny minority of users will
> see this as a problem, as long as it cost them no money.  They may
> (quite erroneously) see it as relieving them of responsibility.
>
> deloptes writes:
>> The want more profit - cause until now you payed 100 or 150 for
>> perpetual license - now you will have to pay on monthly bases. I am
>> just wondering how they are going to handle the end user licenses -
>> are they going to make a contract with each person and get this
>> persons bank account.
> They are already getting money from the manufacturers for installing
> Windows on every machine, and most home desktops are replaced every few
> years.  If they do anything it will be charging for upgrades, but I
> don't think they will want to deal with the screams of outrage and
> threats of legislation.  Instead I think that they will move more and
> more functionality to their servers.  The OS will be pre-installed but
> useful standalone applications will not.
>
> However, I think that they also see the home desktop market as doomed.
> I think that their goal now is to get end users started with Office 365
> et alia on line so that when their smartphones gain enough capability
> that they decide to dump the desktop Microsoft won't lose them.
>
> Eventually almost all computers (including smartphones) available at
> retail will probably be essentially intelligent graphic terminals with
> firmware that can be altered only by automatic updates pushed out by the
> manufacturers.  Google is more likely to be in charge than Microsoft,
> though.
>
> Businesses are already being pushed into the "software as a service"
> model.  BTW that isn't new.  In the 60s and 70s one normally leased
> mainframe software.


Sorry reply was meant to go to the list.

Thanks John

So from a Debian perspective, when promoting what should we be emphasizing,

Freedom to use the software you want, and the control this gives you.  ?
On and the fact 'there is no cloud,  just someone else's computer'. If
they lose YOUR data, then they wash their hands and you end up dealing
with the consequences. 

Of course with this, it will only work when we have mobile tech that can
handle this AND there is a wide adoption of 5g I would guess,  given
there are areas with poor 3g coverage there is a long way to go, or some
groups are going to fall behind.

I use Overleaf for LaTeX document creation, the other day there was an
issue at their end, (which was fixed pretty quickly ) it just meant I
could not work online, so just dropped to a locally installed LaTeX
editor, then uploaded my work.

Kind of highlights the more we rely on the cloud the more at risk we are
if something happens that cuts us off, and we have no backup strategy
and I am doing this at home and the document wasn't critical at that time.

Paul

-- 
Paul Sutton
http://www.zleap.net
https://www.linkedin.com/in/zleap/
gnupg : 7D6D B682 F351 8D08 1893  1E16 F086 5537 D066 302D

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#205749

On Sun, 24 Feb 2019 08:42:13 -0600
John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> wrote:

> Celejar quotes:
> > Essentially desktop as a service (DaaS,) so MS are going to try and
> > grab more control over our desktops  If this is a good reason to
> > really push Linux, free software, choice, and user control then it
> > seems a good a reason as any.

This was the OP, not me. Please be more careful when quoting.

Celejar

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#205754

On 2019-02-25, Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 24 Feb 2019 08:42:13 -0600
> John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> wrote:
>
>> Celejar quotes:
>> > Essentially desktop as a service (DaaS,) so MS are going to try and
>> > grab more control over our desktops  If this is a good reason to
>> > really push Linux, free software, choice, and user control then it
>> > seems a good a reason as any.
>
> This was the OP, not me. Please be more careful when quoting.

I'm understanding that the above is what you quoted, not wrote, as in
"Celejar quotes:" (not "Celejar writes:").

Whether quote attributions are a fine idea and don't lead more often
than not to the kind of confusion demonstrated here I won't get into. 

> Celejar
>
>


-- 
When you have fever you are heavy and light, you are small and swollen, you
climb endlessly a ladder which turns like a wheel. 
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#205757

On Mon, 25 Feb 2019 15:44:00 -0000 (UTC)
Curt <curty@free.fr> wrote:

> On 2019-02-25, Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Sun, 24 Feb 2019 08:42:13 -0600
> > John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Celejar quotes:
> >> > Essentially desktop as a service (DaaS,) so MS are going to try and
> >> > grab more control over our desktops  If this is a good reason to
> >> > really push Linux, free software, choice, and user control then it
> >> > seems a good a reason as any.
> >
> > This was the OP, not me. Please be more careful when quoting.
> 
> I'm understanding that the above is what you quoted, not wrote, as in
> "Celejar quotes:" (not "Celejar writes:").

Ah, a fair point - I missed that.

> Whether quote attributions are a fine idea and don't lead more often
> than not to the kind of confusion demonstrated here I won't get into. 

Celejar

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