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| Started by | Pierre Couderc <pierre@couderc.eu> |
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| First post | 2019-02-21 09:10 +0100 |
| Last post | 2019-02-24 20:20 +0100 |
| Articles | 12 on this page of 72 — 25 participants |
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Why /usr/sbin is not in my root $PATH ? Pierre Couderc <pierre@couderc.eu> - 2019-02-21 09:10 +0100
Re: Why /usr/sbin is not in my root $PATH ? Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2019-02-21 09:20 +0100
Re: Why /usr/sbin is not in my root $PATH ? Pierre Couderc <pierre@couderc.eu> - 2019-02-21 09:40 +0100
Re: Why /usr/sbin is not in my root $PATH ? Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2019-02-21 14:30 +0100
Re: Why /usr/sbin is not in my root $PATH ? Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2019-02-21 14:40 +0100
Re: Why /usr/sbin is not in my root $PATH ? Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2019-02-21 19:20 +0100
Re: Why /usr/sbin is not in my root $PATH ? ghe <ghe@slsware.net> - 2019-02-21 19:40 +0100
Re: Why /usr/sbin is not in my root $PATH ? Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2019-02-21 20:00 +0100
Re: Why /usr/sbin is not in my root $PATH ? ghe <ghe@slsware.net> - 2019-02-21 21:10 +0100
Re: Why /usr/sbin is not in my root $PATH ? Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com> - 2019-02-21 21:40 +0100
Re: Why /usr/sbin is not in my root $PATH ? Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2019-02-21 14:40 +0100
Re: Why /usr/sbin is not in my root $PATH ? Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2019-02-21 14:40 +0100
Re: Why /usr/sbin is not in my root $PATH ? Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2019-02-21 14:50 +0100
Re: Why /usr/sbin is not in my root $PATH ? Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2019-02-21 17:30 +0100
Re: Why /usr/sbin is not in my root $PATH ? Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2019-02-21 18:20 +0100
Re: Why /usr/sbin is not in my root $PATH ? Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2019-02-21 18:50 +0100
Re: Why /usr/sbin is not in my root $PATH ? Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2019-05-26 10:50 +0200
Re: Why /usr/sbin is not in my root $PATH ? ghe <ghe@slsware.net> - 2019-02-21 19:20 +0100
Re: Why /usr/sbin is not in my root $PATH ? Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2019-02-21 19:30 +0100
Re: Why /usr/sbin is not in my root $PATH ? ghe <ghe@slsware.net> - 2019-05-26 15:50 +0200
Re: Why /usr/sbin is not in my root $PATH ? Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2019-05-27 04:20 +0200
Re: Why /usr/sbin is not in my root $PATH ? Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2019-05-27 07:20 +0200
Re: Why /usr/sbin is not in my root $PATH ? Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2019-05-27 07:30 +0200
Re: Ping as normal user (Was: Why /usr/sbin is not in my root $PATH ?) Jason <electron@emypeople.net> - 2019-05-30 00:00 +0200
Re: Ping as normal user (Was: Why /usr/sbin is not in my root $PATH ?) Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2019-05-30 01:50 +0200
Re: Ping as normal user (Was: Why /usr/sbin is not in my root $PATH ?) Cindy Sue Causey <butterflybytes@gmail.com> - 2019-05-30 03:50 +0200
Re: Ping as normal user (Was: Why /usr/sbin is not in my root $PATH ?) Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2019-05-30 04:50 +0200
Re: Ping as normal user (Was: Why /usr/sbin is not in my root $PATH ?) Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2019-05-30 08:10 +0200
Re: Ping as normal user (Was: Why /usr/sbin is not in my root $PATH ?) Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2019-05-30 23:30 +0200
Re: Ping as normal user Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2019-05-31 05:00 +0200
Re: Ping as normal user rhkramer@gmail.com - 2019-05-31 13:20 +0200
Re: Ping as normal user Pascal Hambourg <pascal@plouf.fr.eu.org> - 2019-05-31 13:30 +0200
Gmail problems (was Re: Ping as normal user) rhkramer@gmail.com - 2019-05-31 15:10 +0200
Re: Gmail problems (was Re: Ping as normal user) mick crane <mick.crane@gmail.com> - 2019-05-31 15:40 +0200
Re: Gmail problems (was Re: Ping as normal user) Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2019-05-31 21:50 +0200
Re: Ping as normal user (Was: Why /usr/sbin is not in my root $PATH ?) Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-05-30 05:30 +0200
Re: Ping as normal user (Was: Why /usr/sbin is not in my root $PATH ?) Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2019-05-31 08:40 +0200
Re: Ping as normal user (Was: Why /usr/sbin is not in my root $PATH ?) Pascal Hambourg <pascal@plouf.fr.eu.org> - 2019-05-31 11:50 +0200
Re: Ping as normal user (Was: Why /usr/sbin is not in my root $PATH ?) Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2019-05-31 15:00 +0200
Re: Ping as normal user (Was: Why /usr/sbin is not in my root $PATH ?) Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2019-06-01 07:50 +0200
Re: Ping as normal user (Was: Why /usr/sbin is not in my root $PATH ?) Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2019-05-30 11:20 +0200
Re: Ping as normal user (Was: Why /usr/sbin is not in my root $PATH ?) Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2019-05-30 14:40 +0200
Re: Ping as normal user (Was: Why /usr/sbin is not in my root $PATH ?) Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2019-05-30 15:10 +0200
Re: Ping as normal user (Was: Why /usr/sbin is not in my root $PATH ?) Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2019-05-30 15:20 +0200
Re: Ping as normal user (Was: Why /usr/sbin is not in my root $PATH ?) Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2019-05-30 15:30 +0200
Re: Ping as normal user (Was: Why /usr/sbin is not in my root $PATH ?) Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2019-05-30 16:30 +0200
Re: Ping as normal user (Was: Why /usr/sbin is not in my root $PATH ?) Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2019-05-30 16:40 +0200
Re: Ping as normal user (Was: Why /usr/sbin is not in my root $PATH ?) Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2019-05-30 17:10 +0200
Re: Ping as normal user (Was: Why /usr/sbin is not in my root $PATH ?) Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2019-05-30 17:50 +0200
Re: Ping as normal user (Was: Why /usr/sbin is not in my root $PATH ?) Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2019-05-31 09:00 +0200
Re: Ping as normal user (Was: Why /usr/sbin is not in my root $PATH ?) "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2019-05-31 09:20 +0200
Re: Ping as normal user (Was: Why /usr/sbin is not in my root $PATH ?) Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2019-05-31 10:30 +0200
Re: Ping as normal user (Was: Why /usr/sbin is not in my root $PATH ?) "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2019-05-31 12:20 +0200
Re: Ping as normal user (Was: Why /usr/sbin is not in my root $PATH ?) Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2019-05-31 13:10 +0200
Re: Ping as normal user (Was: Why /usr/sbin is not in my root $PATH ?) "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2019-05-31 14:30 +0200
Re: Ping as normal user Sven Hartge <sven@svenhartge.de> - 2019-05-30 17:50 +0200
Re: Ping as normal user (Was: Why /usr/sbin is not in my root $PATH ?) Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2019-05-30 16:30 +0200
Re: Ping as normal user (Was: Why /usr/sbin is not in my root $PATH ?) "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2019-05-30 17:10 +0200
Re: Ping as normal user (Was: Why /usr/sbin is not in my root $PATH ?) Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2019-05-30 18:10 +0200
Re: Ping as normal user (Was: Why /usr/sbin is not in my root $PATH ?) "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2019-05-30 18:40 +0200
Re: Ping as normal user (Was: Why /usr/sbin is not in my root $PATH ?) Jason <electron@emypeople.net> - 2019-05-31 16:10 +0200
Re: Ping as normal user (Was: Why /usr/sbin is not in my root $PATH ?) Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2019-05-31 16:40 +0200
Re: Why /usr/sbin is not in my root $PATH ? Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2019-05-26 10:50 +0200
Re: Why /usr/sbin is not in my root $PATH ? Jonathan de Boyne Pollard <J.deBoynePollard-newsgroups@NTLWorld.COM> - 2019-02-21 17:40 +0100
Re: Why /usr/sbin is not in my root $PATH ? Mart van de Wege <mvdwege@gmail.com> - 2019-02-23 15:50 +0100
Re: Why /usr/sbin is not in my root $PATH ? Tixy <tixy@yxit.co.uk> - 2019-02-23 17:40 +0100
Re: Why /usr/sbin is not in my root $PATH ? John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2019-02-23 18:30 +0100
Re: Why /usr/sbin is not in my root $PATH ? Mart van de Wege <mvdwege@gmail.com> - 2019-02-24 09:50 +0100
Re: Why /usr/sbin is not in my root $PATH ? Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2019-02-24 10:00 +0100
[OT] Re: Why /usr/sbin is not in my root $PATH ? David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2019-02-24 16:40 +0100
Re: [OT] Re: Why /usr/sbin is not in my root $PATH ? Martin Smith <tech@smithproductions.co.uk> - 2019-02-24 19:10 +0100
Re: [OT] Re: Why /usr/sbin is not in my root $PATH ? David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2019-02-24 20:20 +0100
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| From | Jason <electron@emypeople.net> |
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| Date | 2019-05-31 16:10 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Ping as normal user (Was: Why /usr/sbin is not in my root $PATH ?) |
| Message-ID | <y3Qoi-4bC-13@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #209398 |
On Wed, May 29, 2019 at 11:46:50PM +0000, Andy Smith wrote: > Hi Jason, > > On Wed, May 29, 2019 at 04:18:51PM -0500, Jason wrote: > > On Mon, May 27, 2019 at 08:12:32AM +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > > While I didn't mention it in this thread, ping had indeed somehow lost > > > its capabilities on my system. 'dpkg-reconfigure iputils-ping' fixed it. > > > > That worked for me (I'm not the OP) with Stretch on an ARM board. Before > > running the above command, I could only ping as root or using sudo, now > > I can ping as a normal user. Thanks! > > How did you install this system? Because /bin/ping is supposed to > come with file capabilities such that the user can allow it to do > what it needs to do (this is part of what 'dpkg-reconfigure > iputils-ping' restores). So it would be interesting to know how the > system was installed in case there is a general theme for those who > never got those capabilities. > > One other person in this thread said they used (a script which > ultimately uses) debootstrap. This system was installed on an SBC (similar to RPi) from a zipped filesystem image, dd'd to the onboard eMMC chip. Thanks, -- Jason
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| From | Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> |
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| Date | 2019-05-31 16:40 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Ping as normal user (Was: Why /usr/sbin is not in my root $PATH ?) |
| Message-ID | <y3QRk-4m4-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #209465 |
Hello, On Fri, May 31, 2019 at 08:48:36AM -0500, Jason wrote: > On Wed, May 29, 2019 at 11:46:50PM +0000, Andy Smith wrote: > > How did you install this system? […] > > One other person in this thread said they used (a script which > > ultimately uses) debootstrap. > > This system was installed on an SBC (similar to RPi) from a zipped > filesystem image, dd'd to the onboard eMMC chip. It sounds likely that something in that process failed to copy across file capabilities. As previously mentioned, some care has to be used with tar for example, if you want to (re)store these. So that's something to be aware of I guess… Cheers, Andy -- https://bitfolk.com/ -- No-nonsense VPS hosting
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| From | Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2019-05-26 10:50 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <y1X0R-66T-9@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #205594 |
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On Jo, 21 feb 19, 11:26:29, Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Thu, Feb 21, 2019 at 04:14:53PM +0000, Jonathan de Boyne Pollard wrote: > > You could point them to StackExchange in the meantime. (-: > > > > * https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/460769/5132 > > On that page: > > Doing plain 'su' is a really bad idea for many reasons, > > Name one! Seriously, what kind of inane statement is that? > > > If you want to restore behaviour more similar to the previous one you can > > add 'ALWAYS_SET_PATH yes' in /etc/login.defs. > > OK, I'll just go to Debian's online man pages and find the buster > man page for su (or login.defs) to find out what that is... > > ... hey, where's the buster man pages? Normally there are links for testing and unstable, but in this case the manpage is also in a different package: https://manpages.debian.org/testing/util-linux/su.1.en.html Kind regards, Andrei -- http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser
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| From | Jonathan de Boyne Pollard <J.deBoynePollard-newsgroups@NTLWorld.COM> |
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| Date | 2019-02-21 17:40 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <xtZou-8jd-9@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #205580 |
Greg Wooledge: > > At some point I'm going to need to write a wiki page to explain the > change, and list some known workarounds, so that users can pick which > one they want to implement. > You could point them to StackExchange in the meantime. (-: * https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/460769/5132
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| From | Mart van de Wege <mvdwege@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2019-02-23 15:50 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <xuGMN-qS-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #205576 |
Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> writes: > > The problem with "su -" is that it strips out *all* of your environment, That's a feature, not a bug. You *don't* want to import Joe Random User's environment into root's. Mart -- "We will need a longer wall when the revolution comes." --- AJS, quoting an uncertain source.
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| From | Tixy <tixy@yxit.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2019-02-23 17:40 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <xuIvg-1wO-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #205686 |
On Sat, 2019-02-23 at 15:27 +0100, Mart van de Wege wrote: > Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> writes: > > > > > The problem with "su -" is that it strips out *all* of your > > environment, > > That's a feature, not a bug. You *don't* want to import Joe Random > User's environment into root's. But it's not Joe Random User, it's Joe Sysadmin - unless you're in the habit of giving root's password to everyone. -- Tixy
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| From | John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> |
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| Date | 2019-02-23 18:30 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <xuJhD-24M-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #205699 |
> But it's not Joe Random User, it's Joe Sysadmin Worse. Who is most likely to have put weird stuff in his environment? -- John Hasler jhasler@newsguy.com Elmwood, WI USA
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| From | Mart van de Wege <mvdwege@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2019-02-24 09:50 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <xuXDX-2nZ-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #205703 |
John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> writes: >> But it's not Joe Random User, it's Joe Sysadmin > > Worse. Who is most likely to have put weird stuff in his environment? And it's not as if sysadmins never log in as other users. Oh no. Really, not using a clean, known environment as root is plain good practice, and has been for years, if not actually decades. Mart -- "We will need a longer wall when the revolution comes." --- AJS, quoting an uncertain source.
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| From | Curt <curty@free.fr> |
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| Date | 2019-02-24 10:00 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <xuXNE-2rb-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #205722 |
On 2019-02-24, Mart van de Wege <mvdwege@gmail.com> wrote: > > Really, not using a clean, known environment as root is plain good > practice, and has been for years, if not actually decades. Have you expressed the opposite of your intention here? A clean, known environment sounds like something in one of those Mormon pamphlets. ;-) > Mart > -- When you have fever you are heavy and light, you are small and swollen, you climb endlessly a ladder which turns like a wheel. Jean Rhys, Voyage in the Dark
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| From | David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2019-02-24 16:40 +0100 |
| Subject | [OT] Re: Why /usr/sbin is not in my root $PATH ? |
| Message-ID | <xv42K-6oQ-15@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #205723 |
On Sun 24 Feb 2019 at 08:57:37 (-0000), Curt wrote: > On 2019-02-24, Mart van de Wege <mvdwege@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Really, not using a clean, known environment as root is plain good > > practice, and has been for years, if not actually decades. > > Have you expressed the opposite of your intention here? Often accidentally done. > A clean, known environment sounds like something in one of those Mormon > pamphlets. You mean somebody actually reads The Watchtower? Cheers, David.
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| From | Martin Smith <tech@smithproductions.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2019-02-24 19:10 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: [OT] Re: Why /usr/sbin is not in my root $PATH ? |
| Message-ID | <xv6nT-82q-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #205731 |
On 24/02/2019 15:39, David Wright wrote: > On Sun 24 Feb 2019 at 08:57:37 (-0000), Curt wrote: >> On 2019-02-24, Mart van de Wege <mvdwege@gmail.com> wrote: >>> Really, not using a clean, known environment as root is plain good >>> practice, and has been for years, if not actually decades. >> Have you expressed the opposite of your intention here? > Often accidentally done. > >> A clean, known environment sounds like something in one of those Mormon >> pamphlets. > You mean somebody actually reads The Watchtower actually old chap thats the Jehovah's Witnesses scare sheet :) > > Cheers, > David. > > -- Martin
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| From | David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2019-02-24 20:20 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: [OT] Re: Why /usr/sbin is not in my root $PATH ? |
| Message-ID | <xv7tD-fF-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #205736 |
On Sun 24 Feb 2019 at 17:28:18 (+0000), Martin Smith wrote: > On 24/02/2019 15:39, David Wright wrote: > > On Sun 24 Feb 2019 at 08:57:37 (-0000), Curt wrote: > > > On 2019-02-24, Mart van de Wege <mvdwege@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Really, not using a clean, known environment as root is plain good > > > > practice, and has been for years, if not actually decades. > > > Have you expressed the opposite of your intention here? > > Often accidentally done. > > > > > A clean, known environment sounds like something in one of those Mormon > > > pamphlets. > > You mean somebody actually reads The Watchtower > actually old chap thats the Jehovah's Witnesses scare sheet :) QED. Cheers, David.
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