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  Looking for advise to replacy Pan newsreader "Juan R. de Silva" <juan.r.d.silva@gmail.com> - 2019-02-17 05:10 +0100
    Re: Looking for advise to replacy Pan newsreader Patrick Bartek <nemommxiv@gmail.com> - 2019-02-17 08:00 +0100
      Re: Looking for advise to replacy Pan newsreader Paul Sutton <zleap@disroot.org> - 2019-02-17 09:20 +0100
        Re: Looking for advise to replacy Pan newsreader Patrick Bartek <nemommxiv@gmail.com> - 2019-02-17 17:20 +0100
      Re: Looking for advise to replacy Pan newsreader "Juan R. de Silva" <juan.r.d.silva@gmail.com> - 2019-02-17 15:50 +0100
        Re: Looking for advise to replacy Pan newsreader Tixy <tixy@yxit.co.uk> - 2019-02-17 17:00 +0100
          Re: Looking for advise to replacy Pan newsreader Tixy <tixy@yxit.co.uk> - 2019-02-17 17:10 +0100
            Re: Looking for advise to replacy Pan newsreader "Juan R. de Silva" <juan.r.d.silva@gmail.com> - 2019-02-17 18:30 +0100
        Re: Looking for advise to replacy Pan newsreader Patrick Bartek <nemommxiv@gmail.com> - 2019-02-17 17:10 +0100
          Re: Looking for advise to replacy Pan newsreader Siard <shiems146@kpnplanet.nl> - 2019-02-17 17:40 +0100
            [OT] NNTP and SMTP Headers (was: Re: Looking for advise to replac  Pan newsreader) Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2019-02-17 18:20 +0100
              Re: [OT] NNTP and SMTP Headers (was: Re: Looking for advise to  replac Pan newsreader) Siard <shiems146@kpnplanet.nl> - 2019-02-17 18:20 +0100
                Re: [OT] NNTP and SMTP Headers (was: Re: Looking for advise to  replac Pan newsreader) Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2019-02-17 18:30 +0100
            Re: Looking for advise to replacy Pan newsreader Patrick Bartek <nemommxiv@gmail.com> - 2019-02-17 23:50 +0100
              Re: Looking for advise to replacy Pan newsreader Siard <shiems146@kpnplanet.nl> - 2019-02-18 12:00 +0100
    Re: Looking for advise to replacy Pan newsreader <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2019-02-17 10:10 +0100
      Re: Looking for advise to replacy Pan newsreader Nate Bargmann <n0nb@n0nb.us> - 2019-02-17 14:00 +0100
        Re: Looking for advise to replacy Pan newsreader Eric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk> - 2019-02-20 18:10 +0100
    Re: Looking for advise to replacy Pan newsreader Paul Sutton <zleap@disroot.org> - 2019-02-17 10:10 +0100
    Re: Looking for advise to replacy Pan newsreader "hdv@gmail" <hdv.jadev@gmail.com> - 2019-02-17 10:20 +0100
      Re: Looking for advise to replacy Pan newsreader Erik Christiansen <dvalin@internode.on.net> - 2019-02-17 12:00 +0100
        Re: Looking for advise to replacy Pan newsreader "hdv@gmail" <hdv.jadev@gmail.com> - 2019-02-17 12:10 +0100
          Re: Looking for advise to replacy Pan newsreader Erik Christiansen <dvalin@internode.on.net> - 2019-02-17 12:30 +0100
            Re: Looking for advise to replacy Pan newsreader Nate Bargmann <n0nb@n0nb.us> - 2019-02-17 14:20 +0100
    Re: Looking for advise to replacy Pan newsreader soyeomul@doraji.xyz (Byung-Hee HWANG (황병희, 黃炳熙)) - 2019-02-18 05:00 +0100

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#205453 — Looking for advise to replacy Pan newsreader

Pan newsreader,which I used happily for several years, lately get buggy 
as hell and cannot be used any longer at all.

I tried Thunderbird from Debian repo and found that the pure thing is not 
capable to keep a uniform font size through all posts. That is, the font 
size changes as soon as I try to advance either to a next post or to another 
group. 

Can your share with me what do you use for newsgroups reading. I do not care 
about binaries. All I want to follow several Linux usenet newsgroups. Plain 
text reading.

Thanks

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#205456

On Sun, 17 Feb 2019 04:05:47 -0000 (UTC)
"Juan R. de Silva" <juan.r.d.silva@gmail.com> wrote:

> Pan newsreader,which I used happily for several years, lately get buggy 
> as hell and cannot be used any longer at all.
> 
> I tried Thunderbird from Debian repo and found that the pure thing is not 
> capable to keep a uniform font size through all posts. That is, the font 
> size changes as soon as I try to advance either to a next post or to another 
> group. 
> 
> Can your share with me what do you use for newsgroups reading. I do not care 
> about binaries. All I want to follow several Linux usenet newsgroups. Plain 
> text reading.

Claws-mail besides being a text-based only email client can also access
NNTP news accounts, too. Although, I've never done so.  Abandoned NNTP
and pan a year ago.

B

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#205457

On 17/02/2019 06:51, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Feb 2019 04:05:47 -0000 (UTC)
> "Juan R. de Silva" <juan.r.d.silva@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Pan newsreader,which I used happily for several years, lately get buggy 
>> as hell and cannot be used any longer at all.
>>
>> I tried Thunderbird from Debian repo and found that the pure thing is not 
>> capable to keep a uniform font size through all posts. That is, the font 
>> size changes as soon as I try to advance either to a next post or to another 
>> group. 
>>
>> Can your share with me what do you use for newsgroups reading. I do not care 
>> about binaries. All I want to follow several Linux usenet newsgroups. Plain 
>> text reading.
> Claws-mail besides being a text-based only email client can also access
> NNTP news accounts, too. Although, I've never done so.  Abandoned NNTP
> and pan a year ago.
>
> B
>
You can configure Thunderbird to use plain text (compose and send) and
also set it up so it treats html as text and not display all the
internal content,  logos, pictures and other nonsense people insist on
sending, sometimes replying to an html e-mail results in the reply being
html unless you set it up or notice.

No idea what happens at the other end, causes all sorts of issues at
both ends as it is.

Paul

-- 
Paul Sutton
http://www.zleap.net
https://www.linkedin.com/in/zleap/
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#205477

On Sun, 17 Feb 2019 08:12:37 +0000
Paul Sutton <zleap@disroot.org> wrote:

> On 17/02/2019 06:51, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> > On Sun, 17 Feb 2019 04:05:47 -0000 (UTC)
> > "Juan R. de Silva" <juan.r.d.silva@gmail.com> wrote:
> >  
> >> Pan newsreader,which I used happily for several years, lately get buggy 
> >> as hell and cannot be used any longer at all.
> >>
> >> I tried Thunderbird from Debian repo and found that the pure thing is not 
> >> capable to keep a uniform font size through all posts. That is, the font 
> >> size changes as soon as I try to advance either to a next post or to another 
> >> group. 
> >>
> >> Can your share with me what do you use for newsgroups reading. I do not care 
> >> about binaries. All I want to follow several Linux usenet newsgroups. Plain 
> >> text reading.  
> > Claws-mail besides being a text-based only email client can also access
> > NNTP news accounts, too. Although, I've never done so.  Abandoned NNTP
> > and pan a year ago.
> >
> > B
> >  
> You can configure Thunderbird to use plain text (compose and send) and
> also set it up so it treats html as text and not display all the
> internal content,  logos, pictures and other nonsense people insist on
> sending, sometimes replying to an html e-mail results in the reply being
> html unless you set it up or notice.

Why go to all that trouble?  Claws does all that by default.  An
html email displays as plain text.  No code. However, there is a
plugin html interpreter if you need must see the html version in all its
wasteful, artsy-fartsy glory.

As far as I can tell, replying to an html email with Claws results in
the reply being sent plain text only.

> No idea what happens at the other end, causes all sorts of issues at
> both ends as it is.

I don't know either, but I've never had anyone, even MS Outlook users,
complain they can't read my emails.

B

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#205473

On Sat, 16 Feb 2019 22:51:04 -0800, Patrick Bartek wrote:

> On Sun, 17 Feb 2019 04:05:47 -0000 (UTC)
> "Juan R. de Silva" <juan.r.d.silva@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Pan newsreader,which I used happily for several years, lately get buggy
>> as hell and cannot be used any longer at all.
>> 
>> I tried Thunderbird from Debian repo and found that the pure thing is
>> not capable to keep a uniform font size through all posts. That is, the
>> font size changes as soon as I try to advance either to a next post or
>> to another group.
>> 
>> Can your share with me what do you use for newsgroups reading. I do not
>> care about binaries. All I want to follow several Linux usenet
>> newsgroups. Plain text reading.
> 
> Claws-mail besides being a text-based only email client can also access
> NNTP news accounts, too. Although, I've never done so.  Abandoned NNTP
> and pan a year ago.
> 
> B

And may I ask you what do you use to follow this very maillist?

Thank you

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#205474

On Sun, 2019-02-17 at 14:47 +0000, Juan R. de Silva wrote:
> On Sat, 16 Feb 2019 22:51:04 -0800, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> 
> > On Sun, 17 Feb 2019 04:05:47 -0000 (UTC)
> > "Juan R. de Silva" <juan.r.d.silva@gmail.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > Pan newsreader,which I used happily for several years, lately get
> > > buggy
> > > as hell and cannot be used any longer at all.
> > > 
> > > I tried Thunderbird from Debian repo and found that the pure
> > > thing is
> > > not capable to keep a uniform font size through all posts. That
> > > is, the
> > > font size changes as soon as I try to advance either to a next
> > > post or
> > > to another group.
> > > 
> > > Can your share with me what do you use for newsgroups reading. I
> > > do not
> > > care about binaries. All I want to follow several Linux usenet
> > > newsgroups. Plain text reading.
> > 
> > Claws-mail besides being a text-based only email client can also
> > access
> > NNTP news accounts, too. Although, I've never done so.  Abandoned
> > NNTP
> > and pan a year ago.
> > 
> > B
> 
> And may I ask you what do you use to follow this very maillist?

Erm, he probably uses a email client to follow this email list like I
guess a lot (most?) people do, usenet newsgroups are a different thing
to email. Though I understand from other posts here over the years that
there are services that present mailing lists like these and newsgroups
.

-- 
Tixy

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#205475

On Sun, 2019-02-17 at 15:56 +0000, Tixy wrote:
> On Sun, 2019-02-17 at 14:47 +0000, Juan R. de Silva wrote:
[...]
> > And may I ask you what do you use to follow this very maillist?
> 
> Erm, he probably uses a email client to follow this email list like I
> guess a lot (most?) people do, usenet newsgroups are a different thing
> to email. Though I understand from other posts here over the years that
> there are services that present mailing lists like these and newsgroups.

That last line should have read...
there are services that present mailing lists like these as newsgroups.

And Juan, I see from the email headers for your posts that you are
using one of those services, namely Gmane.

-- 
Tixy

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#205483

On Sun, 17 Feb 2019 16:07:11 +0000
Tixy <tixy@yxit.co.uk> wrote:

> On Sun, 2019-02-17 at 15:56 +0000, Tixy wrote:
> > On Sun, 2019-02-17 at 14:47 +0000, Juan R. de Silva wrote:  
> [...]
> > > And may I ask you what do you use to follow this very maillist?  
> > 
> > Erm, he probably uses a email client to follow this email list like
> > I guess a lot (most?) people do, usenet newsgroups are a different
> > thing to email. Though I understand from other posts here over the
> > years that there are services that present mailing lists like these
> > and newsgroups.  
> 
> That last line should have read...
> there are services that present mailing lists like these as
> newsgroups.
> 
> And Juan, I see from the email headers for your posts that you are
> using one of those services, namely Gmane.

Yes, I am using Gmane. In fact practically all Linux related lists I
follow using it.

I'm still mostly using Pan, but this post I am making using
Claws-Mail. Yes, it is not bad at all for my purposes. 

Much better then Thunderbird with its crazy font size "free dance" and
it does not close group pane on its own volition as Pan does. Boy, that
"feature" of Pan drove me nuts lately. And somehow it closes group pane
or at best reduces it size, all at a sudden, almost exclusively when I
am reading 'debian.users' list. Pan is a good reader but I get sick and
tired spending about 1/3 of my time fishing out the group pane it
closes.

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#205476

On Sun, 17 Feb 2019 14:47:11 -0000 (UTC)
"Juan R. de Silva" <juan.r.d.silva@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sat, 16 Feb 2019 22:51:04 -0800, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> 
> > On Sun, 17 Feb 2019 04:05:47 -0000 (UTC)
> > "Juan R. de Silva" <juan.r.d.silva@gmail.com> wrote:
> >   
> >> Pan newsreader,which I used happily for several years, lately get buggy
> >> as hell and cannot be used any longer at all.
> >> 
> >> I tried Thunderbird from Debian repo and found that the pure thing is
> >> not capable to keep a uniform font size through all posts. That is, the
> >> font size changes as soon as I try to advance either to a next post or
> >> to another group.
> >> 
> >> Can your share with me what do you use for newsgroups reading. I do not
> >> care about binaries. All I want to follow several Linux usenet
> >> newsgroups. Plain text reading.  
> > 
> > Claws-mail besides being a text-based only email client can also access
> > NNTP news accounts, too. Although, I've never done so.  Abandoned NNTP
> > and pan a year ago.
> > 
> > B  
> 
> And may I ask you what do you use to follow this very maillist?
> 
> Thank you

Claws-mail.  I don't follow it on NNTP as some do.  All you have to do
to recieve the list via email is subscribe.

B

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#205478

Patrick Bartek:
> Juan R. de Silva:
> > Patrick Bartek:
> > > Claws-mail besides being a text-based only email client can also
> > > access NNTP news accounts, too. Although, I've never done so.
> > > Abandoned NNTP and pan a year ago.
> >
> > And may I ask you what do you use to follow this very maillist?
> 
> Claws-mail.  I don't follow it on NNTP as some do.  All you have to do
> to recieve the list via email is subscribe.

Your headers, however, indicate that you follow it through newsgroup
gmane.linux.debian.user.

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#205480 — [OT] NNTP and SMTP Headers (was: Re: Looking for advise to replac Pan newsreader)

	Hi.

On Sun, Feb 17, 2019 at 05:30:48PM +0100, Siard wrote:
> Patrick Bartek:
> > Juan R. de Silva:
> > > Patrick Bartek:
> > > > Claws-mail besides being a text-based only email client can also
> > > > access NNTP news accounts, too. Although, I've never done so.
> > > > Abandoned NNTP and pan a year ago.
> > >
> > > And may I ask you what do you use to follow this very maillist?
> > 
> > Claws-mail.  I don't follow it on NNTP as some do.  All you have to do
> > to recieve the list via email is subscribe.
> 
> Your headers, however, indicate that you follow it through newsgroup
> gmane.linux.debian.user.

Can you elaborate which SMTP headers in particular led you to this
conclusion please?

Because all I saw in that e-mail was pretty typical for GMail user using
Claws-Mail as MUA.


PS Mutt and headers editing. Need to be more careful next time.

Reco

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#205481 — Re: [OT] NNTP and SMTP Headers (was: Re: Looking for advise to replac Pan newsreader)

Reco:
> Siard:
> > Patrick Bartek:
> > > Juan R. de Silva:
> > > > Patrick Bartek:
> > > > > Claws-mail besides being a text-based only email client can also
> > > > > access NNTP news accounts, too. Although, I've never done so.
> > > > > Abandoned NNTP and pan a year ago.
> > > >
> > > > And may I ask you what do you use to follow this very maillist?
> > > 
> > > Claws-mail.  I don't follow it on NNTP as some do.  All you have to
> > > do to recieve the list via email is subscribe.
> > 
> > Your headers, however, indicate that you follow it through newsgroup
> > gmane.linux.debian.user.
> 
> Can you elaborate which SMTP headers in particular led you to this
> conclusion please?
> 
> Because all I saw in that e-mail was pretty typical for GMail user using
> Claws-Mail as MUA.

Oops, I guess I am mistaken.
I follow this list through gmane myself.
So this is one of the headers I see in Patrick's message:

Newsgroups: gmane.linux.debian.user

But that header is in _every_ message in the list...

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#205482 — Re: [OT] NNTP and SMTP Headers (was: Re: Looking for advise to replac Pan newsreader)

	Hi.

On Sun, Feb 17, 2019 at 06:10:41PM +0100, Siard wrote:
> Reco:
> > Siard:
> > > Patrick Bartek:
> > > > Juan R. de Silva:
> > > > > Patrick Bartek:
> > > > > > Claws-mail besides being a text-based only email client can also
> > > > > > access NNTP news accounts, too. Although, I've never done so.
> > > > > > Abandoned NNTP and pan a year ago.
> > > > >
> > > > > And may I ask you what do you use to follow this very maillist?
> > > > 
> > > > Claws-mail.  I don't follow it on NNTP as some do.  All you have to
> > > > do to recieve the list via email is subscribe.
> > > 
> > > Your headers, however, indicate that you follow it through newsgroup
> > > gmane.linux.debian.user.
> > 
> > Can you elaborate which SMTP headers in particular led you to this
> > conclusion please?
> > 
> > Because all I saw in that e-mail was pretty typical for GMail user using
> > Claws-Mail as MUA.
> 
> Oops, I guess I am mistaken.
> I follow this list through gmane myself.
> So this is one of the headers I see in Patrick's message:
> 
> Newsgroups: gmane.linux.debian.user
> 
> But that header is in _every_ message in the list...

Oh, now I see it.
Your e-mails have "X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/".
Us, plain SMTP users, lack it.

Reco

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#205487

On Sun, 17 Feb 2019 17:30:48 +0100
Siard <shiems146@kpnplanet.nl> wrote:

> Patrick Bartek:
> > Juan R. de Silva:  
> > > Patrick Bartek:  
> > > > Claws-mail besides being a text-based only email client can also
> > > > access NNTP news accounts, too. Although, I've never done so.
> > > > Abandoned NNTP and pan a year ago.  
> > >
> > > And may I ask you what do you use to follow this very maillist?  
> > 
> > Claws-mail.  I don't follow it on NNTP as some do.  All you have to do
> > to recieve the list via email is subscribe.  
> 
> Your headers, however, indicate that you follow it through newsgroup
> gmane.linux.debian.user.
> 

No. Use gmail IMAP'd.  Receive emails directly from Debian mail list
server.  I don't even have NNTP set up anywhere on this system.  Or
even enabled on claws-mail.

How are you receiving your Debian mail list emails?  If you're getting
them from a NNTP newsgroup service, I would expect the headers to be
newsgroup related.

B

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#205495

Patrick Bartek:
> Siard:
> > Patrick Bartek:
> > > Juan R. de Silva: 
> > > > And may I ask you what do you use to follow this very maillist?  
> > > 
> > > Claws-mail.  I don't follow it on NNTP as some do.  All you have to
> > > do to recieve the list via email is subscribe.  
> > 
> > Your headers, however, indicate that you follow it through newsgroup
> > gmane.linux.debian.user.
>
> No. Use gmail IMAP'd.  Receive emails directly from Debian mail list
> server.  I don't even have NNTP set up anywhere on this system.  Or
> even enabled on claws-mail.
> 
> How are you receiving your Debian mail list emails?  If you're getting
> them from a NNTP newsgroup service, I would expect the headers to be
> newsgroup related.

Yes, my mistake. As you could have read in the posts between me and Reco,
I'm on Gmane, so I see this header in every message:
Newsgroups: gmane.linux.debian.user
Which took me to the wrong conclusion that you also follow this list
through Gmane.

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#205458

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On Sun, Feb 17, 2019 at 09:04:56AM +0000, Paul Sutton wrote:

[...]

> Would be interested in what people are using for NNTP services, as there
> are not as many out there now,  probably lots of newsgroups but less
> ISPs offering this as a service.

  https://www.eternal-september.org/

As far as an NNTP client is concerned... gnus, of course.

Cheers
-- t

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#205468

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* On 2019 17 Feb 03:10 -0600, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 17, 2019 at 09:04:56AM +0000, Paul Sutton wrote:
> 
> [...]
> 
> > Would be interested in what people are using for NNTP services, as there
> > are not as many out there now,  probably lots of newsgroups but less
> > ISPs offering this as a service.
> 
>   https://www.eternal-september.org/
> 
> As far as an NNTP client is concerned... gnus, of course.

How can it be configured to show all headers both read and unread even
after leaving and coming back to a group?  This is my gripe about most
newsreaders where the default is trim the headers list aggressively.

The news server I used in the past was news.aioe.org and it is still
online.

I just installed Pan on Buster and it picked up where I'd left off well
over a year and a half ago.  I did adjust the body and monospace fonts
to Hack regular and other than the preferences dialog being spread
across 1.5 of my two screens and not responding to resizing, I don't see
it failing in a 30 second test.

- Nate

-- 

"The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all
possible worlds.  The pessimist fears this is true."

Web: http://www.n0nb.us  GPG key: D55A8819  GitHub: N0NB

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#205554

On Sunday, 17 Feb 2019 at 06:51, Nate Bargmann wrote:
> How can it be configured to show all headers both read and unread even
> after leaving and coming back to a group?  This is my gripe about most
> newsreaders where the default is trim the headers list aggressively.

You can use /o for showing all "old" messages.  But I doubt you really
want this for some groups.  What works well, in practice, however, is to
show all the old headers in threads for any new messages.  You can get
this behaviour by setting gnus-fetch-old-headers to t.

> The news server I used in the past was news.aioe.org and it is still
> online.

I used to use this but, these days, gmane gives me access to all the
groups I read.

-- 
Eric S Fraga via Emacs 27.0.50 & org 9.2.1 on Debian buster/sid

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#205459

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On 17/02/2019 04:05, Juan R. de Silva wrote:
> Pan newsreader,which I used happily for several years, lately get buggy 
> as hell and cannot be used any longer at all.
>
> I tried Thunderbird from Debian repo and found that the pure thing is not 
> capable to keep a uniform font size through all posts. That is, the font 
> size changes as soon as I try to advance either to a next post or to another 
> group. 
>
> Can your share with me what do you use for newsgroups reading. I do not care 
> about binaries. All I want to follow several Linux usenet newsgroups. Plain 
> text reading.
>
> Thanks
>
Would be interested in what people are using for NNTP services, as there
are not as many out there now,  probably lots of newsgroups but less
ISPs offering this as a service.

Thanks

Paul

-- 
Paul Sutton
http://www.zleap.net
https://www.linkedin.com/in/zleap/
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#205460

On 17/02/2019 05.05, Juan R. de Silva wrote:
> Pan newsreader,which I used happily for several years, lately get buggy 
> as hell and cannot be used any longer at all.
> 
> I tried Thunderbird from Debian repo and found that the pure thing is not 
> capable to keep a uniform font size through all posts. That is, the font 
> size changes as soon as I try to advance either to a next post or to another 
> group. 
> 
> Can your share with me what do you use for newsgroups reading. I do not care 
> about binaries. All I want to follow several Linux usenet newsgroups. Plain 
> text reading.

For text-only groups I use mutt.

Grx HdV

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