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What am I missing that causes this error response from the wheezy mozilla?

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#205049

From	Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net>
Date	2019-02-06 03:20 +0100
Message-ID	<xokYF-6AW-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to	#205033

On Tuesday 05 February 2019 14:03:15 Curt wrote:

> On 2019-02-05, Elmo <moelmoel2714@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Tue, 5 Feb 2019, Brad Rogers wrote:
> >> On Tue, 5 Feb 2019 16:34:49 +0100
> >> <tomas@tuxteam.de> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hello tomas@tuxteam.de,
> >>
> >>> But it would be so easy to comply with GDPR: rotate logs regularly
> >>
> >> I'm in the UK and can connect to the site in question.  Therefore,
> >> it's probably not a GDPR issue.
> >
> > ditto from Madrid, Spain.
>
> No ditto here from just outside gay Paris (well, some ten miles out as
> the duck flies). I say duck because they (ducks) seem to fly really
> straight and fast and true, whereas a crow kind of dawdles and diddles
> and circles and fiddles.
>
> So I used an online proxy located in the old US of A.  My version of
> Firefox worked fine on the WV Treasurer's Office site (though my
> search returned no results, maybe because Gene doesn't have any
> unclaimed property over there in WV, as I entered his name as a test
> case).
>
> > fjd

Not that I know about ATM. But the woofs family has a few small pieces of 
gas well royalties, and they always mail the checks so they get here 
late Friday's, too late to hit the bank with such a piddly deposit.  And 
by Monday its buried in this midden heap and forgotten, so more than 1 
$7 or $12 check has wound up in the treasurers office and I have to 
claim them for her. Mailing it so it gets here after the banks close on 
Friday is NOT anything but intentional, they get to use your money for a 
little while longer. Interesting what you can learn at the rodeo...

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#205064

From	deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com>
Date	2019-02-06 18:50 +0100
Message-ID	<xozuF-7d3-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to	#205049

Gene Heskett wrote:

> Not that I know about ATM. But the woofs family has a few small pieces of
> gas well royalties, and they always mail the checks so they get here
> late Friday's, too late to hit the bank with such a piddly deposit.  And
> by Monday its buried in this midden heap and forgotten, so more than 1
> $7 or $12 check has wound up in the treasurers office and I have to
> claim them for her. Mailing it so it gets here after the banks close on
> Friday is NOT anything but intentional, they get to use your money for a
> little while longer. Interesting what you can learn at the rodeo...

very interesting - couple of years ago I learned about over night swaps ...
and usually you are not getting bigger transfers same day. They (in the
bank) say that bigger amounts need approval and it takes one day :) (in
Europe) :)
I am not sure if it changed now, cause they changed something last year -
but I doubt cause it is so tasty. Especially if you know what will happen
in the next 6 hours on wall street or in japan ...

regards

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#205070

From	Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net>
Date	2019-02-07 01:00 +0100
Message-ID	<xoFgJ-2lQ-7@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to	#205064

On Wednesday 06 February 2019 12:46:29 deloptes wrote:

> Gene Heskett wrote:
> > Not that I know about ATM. But the woofs family has a few small
> > pieces of gas well royalties, and they always mail the checks so
> > they get here late Friday's, too late to hit the bank with such a
> > piddly deposit.  And by Monday its buried in this midden heap and
> > forgotten, so more than 1 $7 or $12 check has wound up in the
> > treasurers office and I have to claim them for her. Mailing it so it
> > gets here after the banks close on Friday is NOT anything but
> > intentional, they get to use your money for a little while longer.
> > Interesting what you can learn at the rodeo...
>
> very interesting - couple of years ago I learned about over night
> swaps ... and usually you are not getting bigger transfers same day.
> They (in the bank) say that bigger amounts need approval and it takes
> one day :) (in Europe) :)
> I am not sure if it changed now, cause they changed something last
> year - but I doubt cause it is so tasty. Especially if you know what
> will happen in the next 6 hours on wall street or in japan ...
>
> regards

You are just playing in a bigger rodeo.  I have had to write 2 checks for 
the last 2 vehicles I've bought. Writing a single check for close to 
$20k for a good used car/truck doesn't fly, some sort of a rule that 10k 
and over has to be reported so the irs can watch for laundering, so I 
write one for $9999 one day, and the balance the next day. As long as 
the account is good for it, what business is it I buy a new truck to 
replace a 20 yo rust bucket that getting dangerous to drive.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#205071

From	John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com>
Date	2019-02-07 02:20 +0100
Message-ID	<xoGw9-3gB-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to	#205070

Gene writes:
> I have had to write 2 checks for the last 2 vehicles I've
> bought. Writing a single check for close to $20k for a good used
> car/truck doesn't fly, some sort of a rule that 10k and over has to be
> reported so the irs can watch for laundering, so I write one for $9999
> one day, and the balance the next day. As long as the account is good
> for it, what business is it I buy a new truck to replace a 20 yo rust
> bucket that getting dangerous to drive.

People have been prosecuted for evading the controls in that way.  The
government doesn't need to prove that any other illegal activity was
involved or intended: evading the reporting requirements is a crime in
itself.
-- 
John Hasler 
jhasler@newsguy.com
Elmwood, WI USA

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#205072

From	Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net>
Date	2019-02-07 02:40 +0100
Message-ID	<xoGPw-3nb-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to	#205071

On Wednesday 06 February 2019 20:15:48 John Hasler wrote:

> Gene writes:
> > I have had to write 2 checks for the last 2 vehicles I've
> > bought. Writing a single check for close to $20k for a good used
> > car/truck doesn't fly, some sort of a rule that 10k and over has to
> > be reported so the irs can watch for laundering, so I write one for
> > $9999 one day, and the balance the next day. As long as the account
> > is good for it, what business is it I buy a new truck to replace a
> > 20 yo rust bucket that getting dangerous to drive.
>
> People have been prosecuted for evading the controls in that way.  The
> government doesn't need to prove that any other illegal activity was
> involved or intended: evading the reporting requirements is a crime in
> itself.

Maybe, but if they jailed everybody that did it, we'd need at least 20x 
more beds in the jails.+


Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#205095 — Re: What am I missing that causes this error response from the wheezy mozilla?

From	Curt <curty@free.fr>
Date	2019-02-07 11:30 +0100
Subject	Re: What am I missing that causes this error response from the wheezy mozilla?
Message-ID	<xoP6q-7L-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to	#205072

On 2019-02-07, Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> wrote:
> On Wednesday 06 February 2019 20:15:48 John Hasler wrote:
>
>> Gene writes:
>> > I have had to write 2 checks for the last 2 vehicles I've
>> > bought. Writing a single check for close to $20k for a good used
>> > car/truck doesn't fly, some sort of a rule that 10k and over has to
>> > be reported so the irs can watch for laundering, so I write one for
>> > $9999 one day, and the balance the next day. As long as the account
>> > is good for it, what business is it I buy a new truck to replace a
>> > 20 yo rust bucket that getting dangerous to drive.
>>
>> People have been prosecuted for evading the controls in that way.  The
>> government doesn't need to prove that any other illegal activity was
>> involved or intended: evading the reporting requirements is a crime in
>> itself.
>
> Maybe, but if they jailed everybody that did it, we'd need at least 20x 
> more beds in the jails.+
>
>
> Cheers, Gene Heskett

I thought the $10,000 rule had to do with *cash*.

 Cash does not include:

  • Personal checks drawn on the account of the writer.
  • A cashier’s check, bank draft, traveler’s check or money order with a
    face value of more than $10,000.

https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-utl/irsform8300referenceguide.pdf

Maybe I'm missing something here.

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#205100

From	deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com>
Date	2019-02-07 13:00 +0100
Message-ID	<xoQvv-Ro-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to	#205095

Curt wrote:

> I thought the $10,000 rule had to do with *cash*.
> 
> Cash does not include:
> 
> • Personal checks drawn on the account of the writer.
> • A cashier’s check, bank draft, traveler’s check or money order with a
> face value of more than $10,000.
> 
> https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-utl/irsform8300referenceguide.pdf
> 
> Maybe I'm missing something here.

Don't know how it is in US - here if you want to withdraw more than 5000,-
cash from the local bank office, you have to request it upfront

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#205124 — Re: What am I missing that causes this error response from the wheezy mozilla?

From	Curt <curty@free.fr>
Date	2019-02-08 09:20 +0100
Subject	Re: What am I missing that causes this error response from the wheezy mozilla?
Message-ID	<xp9y9-4nU-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to	#205100

On 2019-02-07, deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> wrote:
> Curt wrote:
>
>> I thought the $10,000 rule had to do with *cash*.
>> 
>> Cash does not include:
>> 
>> • Personal checks drawn on the account of the writer.
>> • A cashier’s check, bank draft, traveler’s check or money order with a
>> face value of more than $10,000.
>> 
>> https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-utl/irsform8300referenceguide.pdf
>> 
>> Maybe I'm missing something here.
>
> Don't know how it is in US - here if you want to withdraw more than 5000,-
> cash from the local bank office, you have to request it upfront
>

Not related to the price of tea in China.

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#205103

From	Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net>
Date	2019-02-07 13:40 +0100
Message-ID	<xoR8e-1jI-9@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to	#205095

On Thursday 07 February 2019 05:19:54 Curt wrote:

> On 2019-02-07, Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> wrote:
> > On Wednesday 06 February 2019 20:15:48 John Hasler wrote:
> >> Gene writes:
> >> > I have had to write 2 checks for the last 2 vehicles I've
> >> > bought. Writing a single check for close to $20k for a good used
> >> > car/truck doesn't fly, some sort of a rule that 10k and over has
> >> > to be reported so the irs can watch for laundering, so I write
> >> > one for $9999 one day, and the balance the next day. As long as
> >> > the account is good for it, what business is it I buy a new truck
> >> > to replace a 20 yo rust bucket that getting dangerous to drive.
> >>
> >> People have been prosecuted for evading the controls in that way. 
> >> The government doesn't need to prove that any other illegal
> >> activity was involved or intended: evading the reporting
> >> requirements is a crime in itself.
> >
> > Maybe, but if they jailed everybody that did it, we'd need at least
> > 20x more beds in the jails.+
> >
> >
> > Cheers, Gene Heskett
>
> I thought the $10,000 rule had to do with *cash*.
>
>  Cash does not include:
>
>   • Personal checks drawn on the account of the writer.
>   • A cashier’s check, bank draft, traveler’s check or money order
> with a face value of more than $10,000.
>
> https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-utl/irsform8300referenceguide.pdf
>
> Maybe I'm missing something here.

Or my fav used car dealer, a good member of our church, who's sold me the 
last 5 vehicles we've worn out, running a 2 site business his 
grandfather started about the end of WW-II. And that's how he's done it 
since that $10,000 rule went into effect. Anytime I feel the need to 
refresh my driveway, I've alway found what I wanted, for a decent price.
Driveway occupants currently include a 2007 RAV4 that had 21,000 miles on 
it when I wrote 2 checks for it in 2011, now has 62k on it, and hasn't 
turned a wheel in months, but its sitting there with a charger on its 
battery because its computer will kill a battery in a week if its not 
moving.

Then a year back my 99 gmc pickup decided to rust thru its brake lines 
and start leaking axle grease at the spring hanger bolts, about a year 
after I'd put a new long block in it because the head gaskets failed and 
the old one had a pan full of antifreeze at 112k miles, I got it up to 
116k before rust was the ultimate enemy.  So now I'm in a 2011 Ford, 
ecoboost v6 that looked showroom when I got behind the wheel a year ago. 
Had 139k on it already, but I've not been very far with it so its at 
142,300 about now. Worst complaint is its poor mileage around town when 
using it for the daily driver. Way too easy to spool up the blowers and 
get some serious giddyup out of it.  Crew cab, full topper, first class 
all the way. But that giddyup has to move over 7000 lbs, so the mileage 
hovers at about 14.  Reset and go 435 one way to the nieces Dairy farm 
in NY and it will be showing just shy of 18 when it next pulls into the 
driveway.  I'd sell the toy, but I can't get the missus up into this 
cab, so it sits until I have to take her, her oxygen tank and her 
wheelchair someplace. Which hasn't happened since last summer.

I think we've about worn this off topic thread out. The $10,000 rule is 
what it is wherever you are doing business.
Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#205108 — Re: What am I missing that causes this error response from the wheezy mozilla?

From	Curt <curty@free.fr>
Date	2019-02-07 15:00 +0100
Subject	Re: What am I missing that causes this error response from the wheezy mozilla?
Message-ID	<xoSnE-202-7@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to	#205103

On 2019-02-07, Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> wrote:
>
> I think we've about worn this off topic thread out. The $10,000 rule is 
> what it is wherever you are doing business.
> Cheers, Gene Heskett

For me the rule is defined by the IRS and the FinCEN. The very heading
of IRS form 8300--"Report of Cash Payments Over $10,000 Received in a
Trade or Business"--appears to leave little wiggle room for subjective
interpretation in the matter.

The perversity of the thing is, Gene, as I've pointed out elsewhere, for
certain monetary instruments which normally would not fall foul of the
reporting requirement when used in good faith, attempting to use those
same instruments in such a manner as to avoid triggering the reporting
requirement results in the triggering of the reporting requirement.

As those monetary instruments do not comprise the personal check, however,
both you and your used car salesman can breathe easy.

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#205117 — Re: What am I missing that causes this error response from the wheezy mozilla?

From	Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com>
Date	2019-02-07 19:00 +0100
Subject	Re: What am I missing that causes this error response from the wheezy mozilla?
Message-ID	<xoW7U-4hF-15@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to	#205072

On 2/6/19 8:30 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Wednesday 06 February 2019 20:15:48 John Hasler wrote:
> 
>> Gene writes:
>>> I have had to write 2 checks for the last 2 vehicles I've
>>> bought. Writing a single check for close to $20k for a good used
>>> car/truck doesn't fly, some sort of a rule that 10k and over has to
>>> be reported so the irs can watch for laundering, so I write one for
>>> $9999 one day, and the balance the next day. As long as the account
>>> is good for it, what business is it I buy a new truck to replace a
>>> 20 yo rust bucket that getting dangerous to drive.
>>
>> People have been prosecuted for evading the controls in that way.  The
>> government doesn't need to prove that any other illegal activity was
>> involved or intended: evading the reporting requirements is a crime in
>> itself.
> 
> Maybe, but if they jailed everybody that did it, we'd need at least 20x
> more beds in the jails.+


No kidding. Gene, I'm finally getting my dream sailboat, at almost 70 
years old, and I'll be spending a lot more than 10k. But, it will be up 
to my bank to report the transaction, not me.

"Do what you want because a pirate is free, you are a pirate!"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8ju_10NkGY
Yo ho Ric

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#205118

From	Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net>
Date	2019-02-07 19:50 +0100
Message-ID	<xoWUi-4NB-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to	#205117

On Thursday 07 February 2019 12:57:15 Ric Moore wrote:

> On 2/6/19 8:30 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Wednesday 06 February 2019 20:15:48 John Hasler wrote:
> >> Gene writes:
> >>> I have had to write 2 checks for the last 2 vehicles I've
> >>> bought. Writing a single check for close to $20k for a good used
> >>> car/truck doesn't fly, some sort of a rule that 10k and over has
> >>> to be reported so the irs can watch for laundering, so I write one
> >>> for $9999 one day, and the balance the next day. As long as the
> >>> account is good for it, what business is it I buy a new truck to
> >>> replace a 20 yo rust bucket that getting dangerous to drive.
> >>
> >> People have been prosecuted for evading the controls in that way. 
> >> The government doesn't need to prove that any other illegal
> >> activity was involved or intended: evading the reporting
> >> requirements is a crime in itself.
> >
> > Maybe, but if they jailed everybody that did it, we'd need at least
> > 20x more beds in the jails.+
>
> No kidding. Gene, I'm finally getting my dream sailboat, at almost 70
> years old, and I'll be spending a lot more than 10k. But, it will be
> up to my bank to report the transaction, not me.
>
Bruce has one he'd like to sell. Older, cuddy cabin, towable by even a 
small car. Probably needs more than a paint job by now. But likely less 
than 10k too. <Black Wolfe <blackwolfe@charter.net> if interested.

> "Do what you want because a pirate is free, you are a pirate!"
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8ju_10NkGY
> Yo ho Ric


Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#205073 — Re: What am I missing that causes this error response from the wheezy mozilla?

From	David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk>
Date	2019-02-07 04:00 +0100
Subject	Re: What am I missing that causes this error response from the wheezy mozilla?
Message-ID	<xoI4V-42E-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to	#205071

On Wed 06 Feb 2019 at 19:15:48 (-0600), John Hasler wrote:
> Gene writes:
> > I have had to write 2 checks for the last 2 vehicles I've
> > bought. Writing a single check for close to $20k for a good used
> > car/truck doesn't fly, some sort of a rule that 10k and over has to be
> > reported so the irs can watch for laundering, so I write one for $9999
> > one day, and the balance the next day. As long as the account is good
> > for it, what business is it I buy a new truck to replace a 20 yo rust
> > bucket that getting dangerous to drive.
> 
> People have been prosecuted for evading the controls in that way.  The
> government doesn't need to prove that any other illegal activity was
> involved or intended: evading the reporting requirements is a crime in
> itself.

Isn't it the payee who's evading the reporting requirement? So a payer
might try pleading ignorance as to why the payee asked for two cheques.

Cheers,
David.

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#205074 — Re: What am I missing that causes this error response from the wheezy mozilla?

From	Celejar <celejar@gmail.com>
Date	2019-02-07 04:40 +0100
Subject	Re: What am I missing that causes this error response from the wheezy mozilla?
Message-ID	<xoIHD-4BK-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to	#205073

On Wed, 6 Feb 2019 20:51:37 -0600
David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> wrote:

> On Wed 06 Feb 2019 at 19:15:48 (-0600), John Hasler wrote:
> > Gene writes:
> > > I have had to write 2 checks for the last 2 vehicles I've
> > > bought. Writing a single check for close to $20k for a good used
> > > car/truck doesn't fly, some sort of a rule that 10k and over has to be
> > > reported so the irs can watch for laundering, so I write one for $9999
> > > one day, and the balance the next day. As long as the account is good
> > > for it, what business is it I buy a new truck to replace a 20 yo rust
> > > bucket that getting dangerous to drive.
> > 
> > People have been prosecuted for evading the controls in that way.  The
> > government doesn't need to prove that any other illegal activity was
> > involved or intended: evading the reporting requirements is a crime in
> > itself.
> 
> Isn't it the payee who's evading the reporting requirement? So a payer
> might try pleading ignorance as to why the payee asked for two cheques.

The practice is called structuring, and I think that, at least in the
U.S., the statute does cover payer conduct:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Structuring

Celejar

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#205090

From	deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com>
Date	2019-02-07 10:30 +0100
Message-ID	<xoOam-80b-13@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to	#205070

Gene Heskett wrote:

> You are just playing in a bigger rodeo.  I have had to write 2 checks for
> the last 2 vehicles I've bought. Writing a single check for close to
> $20k for a good used car/truck doesn't fly, some sort of a rule that 10k
> and over has to be reported so the irs can watch for laundering, so I
> write one for $9999 one day, and the balance the next day. As long as
> the account is good for it, what business is it I buy a new truck to
> replace a 20 yo rust bucket that getting dangerous to drive.

Same here, same here - limit is €10000,-, so we do the same split all into
work packages below 10000,-

However I think they are watching if the wrong people are doing the
laundering :D. I just heard a story how civil border patrol in US caught 2
CIA employes with 100 pounds of white powder near the border and they
explained this belongs to CIA :D

Another option are the fees they collect - but I am not sure if it is per
transaction or %charge on the total.

regards

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#205096 — Re: What am I missing that causes this error response from the wheezy mozilla?

From	Curt <curty@free.fr>
Date	2019-02-07 11:50 +0100
Subject	Re: What am I missing that causes this error response from the wheezy mozilla?
Message-ID	<xoPpM-ew-13@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to	#205090

On 2019-02-07, deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Same here, same here - limit is €10000,-, so we do the same split all into
> work packages below 10000,-
>

Le plafond concerne des paiements *en liquide* uniquement.

He's writing *checks*.

https://droit-finances.commentcamarche.com/faq/7183-paiement-en-especes-et-liquide-plafonds

The IRS is rather sly in its thinking, it seems, because if you pay for
your $12,000 truck with a $12,000 cashier's check, you do not trigger
the reporting requirement; however, if you pay for your truck with two
cashier's checks of $6,000 each, you do trigger the reporting
requirement, as in this latter case they figure you're attempting to
avert it.

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#205059 — Re: What am I missing that causes this error response from the wheezy mozilla?

From	Celejar <celejar@gmail.com>
Date	2019-02-06 14:20 +0100
Subject	Re: What am I missing that causes this error response from the wheezy mozilla?
Message-ID	<xovhn-4Dj-7@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to	#205022

On Tue, 5 Feb 2019 16:34:49 +0100
<tomas@tuxteam.de> wrote:

> On Tue, Feb 05, 2019 at 06:11:15PM +0300, Reco wrote:
> > 	Hi.
> > 
> > On Tue, Feb 05, 2019 at 03:41:30PM +0100, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:
> 
> [...]
> 
> > > China? North Korea?
> > 
> > Site owner, of course. (No)thanks to GDPR, it's easier for US site to
> > block any visitor from Europe than to comply with legal regulations.
> 
> ;-P
> 
> But it would be so easy to comply with GDPR: rotate logs regularly
> and don't serve javascript nasties. In short, don't be an asshole.
> 
> Funny that site owners have so many qualms over that...

I'm no GPDR expert, but isn't it much more complicated than that? I'm
not sure what sort of website the OP was talking about, but even for a
simple blog that allows comments, aren't there all sorts of other
requirements that would come into play? E.g.:

https://pbsmarket.com/gdpr-for-bloggers/

Celejar

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#205060

From	John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com>
Date	2019-02-06 14:50 +0100
Message-ID	<xovKp-4Ny-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to	#205059

Celejar writes:
> https://pbsmarket.com/gdpr-for-bloggers/

This is ludidrous.  If you sell nothing to Europeans and have no
business presence there you can ignore this.  It's easy to see why many
site owners decide that the safer course is to block Europe, though,
even if they are actually already in compliance.  From their point of
view it's block Europe, hire an expensive lawyer to tell them how to
comply, or risk prosecution.

I run a small site for my business.  I collect no data at all on
visitors and use no JS, but I have no idea whether or not I'm in
compliance and I have no intention of trying to find out.

My site is hosted by Gandi, though, and I believe it is still running on
their French servers.  I suppose I should move it to the USA just to
avoid the small risk of it being shut down for failure to register or
some such nonsense.
-- 
John Hasler 
jhasler@newsguy.com
Elmwood, WI USA

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#205068 — Re: What am I missing that causes this error response from the wheezy mozilla?

From	Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org>
Date	2019-02-06 22:30 +0100
Subject	Re: What am I missing that causes this error response from the wheezy mozilla?
Message-ID	<xoCVz-11q-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to	#205060

John Hasler wrote: 
> Celejar writes:
> > https://pbsmarket.com/gdpr-for-bloggers/
> 
> This is ludidrous.  If you sell nothing to Europeans and have no
> business presence there you can ignore this.  It's easy to see why many
> site owners decide that the safer course is to block Europe, though,
> even if they are actually already in compliance.  From their point of
> view it's block Europe, hire an expensive lawyer to tell them how to
> comply, or risk prosecution.
> 
> I run a small site for my business.  I collect no data at all on
> visitors and use no JS, but I have no idea whether or not I'm in
> compliance and I have no intention of trying to find out.

You're in compliance.

GDPR is:

- written clearly
- makes reasonable sense given its premise
- scales requirements to what you are doing
- scales fines to how badly you are abusing the requirements

If you collect personal information, you need to be able to show that
it was gathered with the person's consent; correct it or delete it on
request of the particular person it's about, and you need to make it
easy for them to contact you to do those things. You need to be able to
state why you are collecting their information, how long you are keeping
their information, and have a policy about when you delete it.

You're not collecting personal data? No problem, you're done.

-dsr-

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#205038

From	deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com>
Date	2019-02-05 21:50 +0100
Message-ID	<xofPj-3el-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to	#205019

tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:

> I'd guess the same. But... now it gets interesting: blocked by whom?
> China? North Korea?

Yes just tried

 whois wvsto.com

and accessible from here Europe.
I don't think one would block this site

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