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Install Report: Buster Weekly Build on Intel NUC (NUC8I5BEK1)

Started byCarl Fink <carlf@panix.com>
First post2019-02-07 05:20 +0100
Last post2019-02-07 15:30 +0100
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  Install Report: Buster Weekly Build on Intel NUC (NUC8I5BEK1) Carl Fink <carlf@panix.com> - 2019-02-07 05:20 +0100
    Re: Install Report: Buster Weekly Build on Intel NUC (NUC8I5BEK1) Kenneth Parker <sea7kenp@gmail.com> - 2019-02-07 07:20 +0100
      Re: Install Report: Buster Weekly Build on Intel NUC (NUC8I5BEK1) Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2019-02-08 13:30 +0100
        Re: Install Report: Buster Weekly Build on Intel NUC (NUC8I5BEK1) Carl Fink <carl@finknetwork.com> - 2019-02-08 15:30 +0100
    Re: Install Report: Buster Weekly Build on Intel NUC (NUC8I5BEK1) "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2019-02-07 07:40 +0100
      Re: Install Report: Buster Weekly Build on Intel NUC (NUC8I5BEK1) Carl <carlf@panix.com> - 2019-02-07 12:40 +0100
        Re: Install Report: Buster Weekly Build on Intel NUC (NUC8I5BEK1) "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2019-02-07 15:10 +0100
          Re: Install Report: Buster Weekly Build on Intel NUC (NUC8I5BEK1) Carl Fink <carl@finknetwork.com> - 2019-02-07 15:30 +0100

#205075 — Install Report: Buster Weekly Build on Intel NUC (NUC8I5BEK1)

FromCarl Fink <carlf@panix.com>
Date2019-02-07 05:20 +0100
SubjectInstall Report: Buster Weekly Build on Intel NUC (NUC8I5BEK1)
Message-ID<xoJkl-53L-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
My Intel NUC (Next Unit of Computing) mini-PC arrived today. Installing the
RAM and M.2 card was super-simple. Then I tried to install Debian.

First I used unetbootin to create a Testing (Buster) netinstall USB drive.

First of all, it's hard to get it to boot from a USB drive. You have to get
into the BIOS, which on this device by default is not prompted when you
power it up. You have to use Intel's secret handshake: turn off the NUC,
then hold the power button down for three (but not four!) seconds, which
gets you their special power-button menu, where you can turn on the BIOS
prompt (and also change the BIOS directly from that menu). You also have to
turn on legacy boot, of course, to boot from the USB drive.

... and when the installer got to installing kernel modules, it could not do
that because the kernel version on the downloadable image doesn't match the
version in the repository. I'm assuming this is a transient thing with this
particular weekly image.

So I downloaded the DVD image, and used unetbootin to put that on the USB
key. Now the installer failed with the message that it could not mount the
install CD ... which was imaged onto the same USB drive I had just booted
from, so ... something weird there.

I flashed the Intel BIOS to the latest version. This had no effect I could
see.

Finally, rather than try to figure out the installer issue, I dug out my DVD
burner (not used for over a year), burned an actual DVD image and plugged
the USB optical drive into the NUC, which detected it, and the install then
ran smoothly. Aside from HDMI audio not working, I mean, and restarting
PulseAudio fixed that.

Before anyone asks: yes, I'm going to submit this through reportbug. I
wanted this here as well, at least partly to help anyone experiencing the
same problems (since this mailing list is more likely to turn up in web
searches than Debian bug reports).
-- 

Carl Fink          carl@finknetwork.com
Thinking and logic and stuff at Reasonably Literate
http://reasonablyliterate.com

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#205076

FromKenneth Parker <sea7kenp@gmail.com>
Date2019-02-07 07:20 +0100
Message-ID<xoLct-6ec-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#205075

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On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 11:13 PM Carl Fink <carlf@panix.com> wrote:

> My Intel NUC (Next Unit of Computing) mini-PC arrived today. Installing the
> RAM and M.2 card was super-simple. Then I tried to install Debian.
>

Okay folks, it looks like Microsoft and Intel are playing Hardball on
people installing Linux on Laptop Computers.

>
> First I used unetbootin to create a Testing (Buster) netinstall USB drive.
>
> First of all, it's hard to get it to boot from a USB drive. You have to get
> into the BIOS, which on this device by default is not prompted when you
> power it up. You have to use Intel's secret handshake: turn off the NUC,
> then hold the power button down for three (but not four!) seconds, which
> gets you their special power-button menu, where you can turn on the BIOS
> prompt (and also change the BIOS directly from that menu). You also have to
> turn on legacy boot, of course, to boot from the USB drive.
>

[Sarcasm]  How hard can you make it, for someone to figure out how to use
their Computer in the way they want to?   [/Sarcasml]

>
> ... and when the installer got to installing kernel modules, it could not
> do
> that because the kernel version on the downloadable image doesn't match the
> version in the repository. I'm assuming this is a transient thing with this
> particular weekly image.
>

I suspect that Microsoft likes Ubuntu more than Debian.  As an
administrator of eyeblinkuniverse.com, I have to work with my superiors
(some of whom aren't Linux-Friendly).   I will be  extremely interested in
your experiences.  (and yes, eyeblinkuniverse.com is on Ubuntu 16.04.5).

>
> So I downloaded the DVD image, and used unetbootin to put that on the USB
> key. Now the installer failed with the message that it could not mount the
> install CD ... which was imaged onto the same USB drive I had just booted
> from, so ... something weird there.
>


> I flashed the Intel BIOS to the latest version. This had no effect I could
> see.
>
> Finally, rather than try to figure out the installer issue, I dug out my
> DVD
> burner (not used for over a year), burned an actual DVD image and plugged
> the USB optical drive into the NUC, which detected it, and the install then
> ran smoothly. Aside from HDMI audio not working, I mean, and restarting
> PulseAudio fixed that.
>

Good.

>
> Before anyone asks: yes, I'm going to submit this through reportbug. I
> wanted this here as well, at least partly to help anyone experiencing the
> same problems (since this mailing list is more likely to turn up in web
> searches than Debian bug reports).
> --
>
I thank you for that.



>
> Carl Fink          carl@finknetwork.com
> Thinking and logic and stuff at Reasonably Literate
> http://reasonablyliterate.com


Kenneth Parker
http://eyeblinkuniverse.com

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#205125

FromCurt <curty@free.fr>
Date2019-02-08 13:30 +0100
Message-ID<xpds6-6Kl-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#205076
On 2019-02-07, Kenneth Parker <sea7kenp@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 11:13 PM Carl Fink <carlf@panix.com> wrote:
>
>> My Intel NUC (Next Unit of Computing) mini-PC arrived today. Installing the
>> RAM and M.2 card was super-simple. Then I tried to install Debian.
>>
>
> Okay folks, it looks like Microsoft and Intel are playing Hardball on
> people installing Linux on Laptop Computers.
>


I'm unsure a small-form-factor computer is a laptop or whether, in
the case of the OP's NUC, an OS was pre-installed.

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#205129

FromCarl Fink <carl@finknetwork.com>
Date2019-02-08 15:30 +0100
Message-ID<xpfke-7TE-7@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#205125
On Fri, Feb 08, 2019 at 12:29:36PM -0000, Curt wrote:

> I'm unsure a small-form-factor computer is a laptop or whether, in
> the case of the OP's NUC, an OS was pre-installed.

I didn't feel like arguing before. The NUC is a 15x15x5 cm brick, a tiny
desktop, not a laptop.

You can get it with or without an OS. Mine came without.
-- 
Carl Fink                           nitpicking@nitpicking.com 

Read John Grant's book, Corrupted Science: http://a.co/9UsUoGu 
Dedicated to ... Carl Fink!

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#205077

From"Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net>
Date2019-02-07 07:40 +0100
Message-ID<xoLvP-6kx-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#205075
Hi,

Carl Fink wrote:
> First I used unetbootin to create a Testing (Buster) netinstall USB drive.

This is deprecated by
  https://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#write-usb

"Please note, that Debian advises not using "unetbootin" for this task.
 It can cause difficult-to-diagnose problems with booting and installing,
 so is not recommended."

Rather copy the ISO image flatly to the base device file of the USB stick.
The FAQ proposes

  cp <file> <device>

or

  dd if=<file> of=<device> bs=4M; sync

(<device> has to be e.g. /dev/sdc, not a partition device like /dev/sdc1.)


> You also have to turn on legacy boot, of course, to boot from the USB drive.

The ISOs do have boot entries for EFI from DVD and from USB stick.
Probably unetbootin did not copy the EFI System Partition from the ISO.


Have a nice day :)

Thomas

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#205099

FromCarl <carlf@panix.com>
Date2019-02-07 12:40 +0100
Message-ID<xoQca-Kh-7@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#205077
On 2/7/19 1:34 AM, Thomas Schmitt wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Carl Fink wrote:
>> First I used unetbootin to create a Testing (Buster) netinstall USB drive.
> This is deprecated by
>    https://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#write-usb
>
> "Please note, that Debian advises not using "unetbootin" for this task.
>   It can cause difficult-to-diagnose problems with booting and installing,
>   so is not recommended."
>
> Rather copy the ISO image flatly to the base device file of the USB stick.
> The FAQ proposes
>
>    cp <file> <device>
>
> or
>
>    dd if=<file> of=<device> bs=4M; sync
>
> (<device> has to be e.g. /dev/sdc, not a partition device like /dev/sdc1.)

Hi, Thomas,

Actually, I did that too (the cp version, and also tried catting the image
to the device). I didn't put every detail in the original message because,
well, I have a bad memory and I was tired.
>
>> You also have to turn on legacy boot, of course, to boot from the USB drive.
> The ISOs do have boot entries for EFI from DVD and from USB stick.
> Probably unetbootin did not copy the EFI System Partition from the ISO.
>
Happened with every way of making the install drive, though.
> Have a nice day :)

Same to you!

-- 

Carl Fink
carl@finknetwork.com

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#205109

From"Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net>
Date2019-02-07 15:10 +0100
Message-ID<xoSxj-2iF-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#205099
Hi,

i wrote:
> > The FAQ proposes
>    cp <file> <device>

Carl Fink wrote:
> I did that too

So it does not fail due to inappropriate copying to USB stick.


> > > You also have to turn on legacy boot, of course, to boot from the USB
> > > drive.

> Happened with every way of making the install drive, though.

Maybe EFI did not like the GRUB bootloader in the EFI System Partition of
the ISO image.
Or maybe EFI insists in Secure Boot if not switched to legacy mode.

This should be reported to projects debian-cd or debian-live, depending
on the ISO image used.
You mentioned "netinst". Something like debian-9.3.0-amd64-netinst.iso ?
That would be a debian-cd ISO.
A debian-live ISO would be named like debian-live-9.4.0-amd64-xfce.iso.


Have a nice day :)

Thomas

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#205110

FromCarl Fink <carl@finknetwork.com>
Date2019-02-07 15:30 +0100
Message-ID<xoSQG-2pb-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#205109
On Thu, Feb 07, 2019 at 02:56:23PM +0100, Thomas Schmitt wrote:

> This should be reported to projects debian-cd or debian-live, depending
> on the ISO image used.

I submitted a bug against installation-report. I have to assume that team
will refer it.

> You mentioned "netinst". Something like debian-9.3.0-amd64-netinst.iso ?
> That would be a debian-cd ISO.
> A debian-live ISO would be named like debian-live-9.4.0-amd64-xfce.iso.

As I said, this was for Buster's weekly build. Not a livecd.
-- 
Carl Fink                           nitpicking@nitpicking.com 

Read John Grant's book, Corrupted Science: http://a.co/9UsUoGu 
Dedicated to ... Carl Fink!

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