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  Strange event handling problem with Xfce/LXDE - which pkg  responsible? Michael Lange <klappnase@freenet.de> - 2019-05-15 11:00 +0200
    Re: Strange event handling problem with Xfce/LXDE - which pkg responsible? "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2019-05-15 18:40 +0200
      Re: Strange event handling problem with Xfce/LXDE - which pkg  responsible? Michael Lange <klappnase@freenet.de> - 2019-05-15 20:20 +0200
        Re: Strange event handling problem with Xfce/LXDE - which pkg responsible? "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2019-05-15 21:00 +0200
          Re: Strange event handling problem with Xfce/LXDE - which pkg  responsible? Michael Lange <klappnase@freenet.de> - 2019-05-15 22:10 +0200
      Re: Strange event handling problem with Xfce/LXDE - which pkg  responsible? Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2019-05-15 22:30 +0200
        Re: Strange event handling problem with Xfce/LXDE - which pkg  responsible? Michael Lange <klappnase@freenet.de> - 2019-05-16 00:20 +0200
      Re: Strange event handling problem with Xfce/LXDE - which pkg  responsible? Michael Lange <klappnase@freenet.de> - 2019-05-15 22:30 +0200
    Re: Strange event handling problem with Xfce/LXDE - which pkg responsible? Jonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk> - 2019-05-15 21:10 +0200
      Re: Strange event handling problem with Xfce/LXDE - which pkg  responsible? Michael Lange <klappnase@freenet.de> - 2019-05-17 00:40 +0200
        Re: Strange event handling problem with Xfce/LXDE - which pkg responsible? Jonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk> - 2019-05-18 18:20 +0200
          Re: Strange event handling problem with Xfce/LXDE - which pkg  responsible? Michael Lange <klappnase@freenet.de> - 2019-05-18 19:40 +0200
            Re: Strange event handling problem with Xfce/LXDE - which pkg responsible? Jonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk> - 2019-05-18 20:30 +0200

#208663 — Strange event handling problem with Xfce/LXDE - which pkg responsible?

Hi,

it has been observed that when using Tk on Xfce or LXDE for some reason
pressing a mouse button inside a Tk window "phony" <Leave> and <Enter>
events are being triggered. Since not only one DE is affected, the
question arises which package a bug report should be filed against.

The issue has been discussed in more detail at:

https://mail.python.org/pipermail/tkinter-discuss/2019-May/004082.html
and
https://mail.python.org/pipermail/tkinter-discuss/2019-May/004091.html

Does anyone know if both Xfce and LXDE share some library that might be
responsible for that presumably faulty behavior?

Thanks in advance.

Michael

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#208673 — Re: Strange event handling problem with Xfce/LXDE - which pkg responsible?

Hi,

Michael Lange wrote:
> Does anyone know if both Xfce and LXDE share some library that might be
> responsible for that presumably faulty behavior?

Is it sure that not particular versions of tkinter are the common
property of the misbehaving systems ?

I.e. does a plain wish script instead of python+tkinter show the same
inappropriate events ?


Have a nice day :)

Thomas

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#208678

Hi,

thanks for the feedback.

On Wed, 15 May 2019 18:30:58 +0200
"Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Michael Lange wrote:
> > Does anyone know if both Xfce and LXDE share some library that might
> > be responsible for that presumably faulty behavior?
> 
> Is it sure that not particular versions of tkinter are the common
> property of the misbehaving systems ?
> 
> I.e. does a plain wish script instead of python+tkinter show the same
> inappropriate events ?

I am rather sure that this doesn't have anything to do with
Python/Tkinter, though I actually hadn't checked with wish before. Ok, so
I set up this little tcl script:

#############################################
frame .f -bg yellow -width 400 -height 300
pack .f -fill both -expand 1

bind .f <Button-1> {puts "Button-1 event"}
bind .f <Enter> {puts "Enter event"}
bind .f <Leave> {puts "Leave event"}
#############################################

As expected, it's the same as with Tkinter, when the mouse button is
pressed, Enter and Leave events are triggered. So far it has been
reported that this does _not_ happen with MacOs, Gnome, IceWm. It's been
observed so far on Xfce, Lxde and just now Openbox-session (no surprise
probably, since Lxde seems to use Openbox, too).

Other mouse buttons show the same behavior. The same thing happened on
various systems, like Stretch, Sid, Ubuntu 19.04, Ubuntu 18.04.
Since it only seems to happen with Xfce/Xfwm and Openbox/Lxde I think it
is more likely that it is the window manager's fault than that of Tk.

Regards

Michael


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#208681 — Re: Strange event handling problem with Xfce/LXDE - which pkg responsible?

Hi,

Michael Lange wrote:
> So far it has been
> reported that this does _not_ happen with MacOs, Gnome, IceWm.

I guess you can add Fvwm2 to this list. At least for me the script works
as it should.


> Since it only seems to happen with Xfce/Xfwm and Openbox/Lxde I think it
> is more likely that it is the window manager's fault than that of Tk.

But why then is this not a widespread problem ?
Xfce uses GTK like Gnome does. Originall events are a matter of the X Window
system. But this knowledge is meanwhile subject to bit rot.

So what do you get from programs like xev ?

Without argument it is very verbous about mouse movements. But i can
produce ButtonPress/Release events without interlaced FocusIn/Out
events:

  ButtonPress event, serial 37, synthetic NO, window 0x12e00001,
    ...
  ButtonRelease event, serial 37, synthetic NO, window 0x12e00001,
    ...
  ButtonPress event, serial 37, synthetic NO, window 0x12e00001,
    ...
  ButtonRelease event, serial 37, synthetic NO, window 0x12e00001,
    ...

One may run instead:

  xev -event focus

which displays only Enter-Leave events. Those happen for me only when
i really enter and leave. Mouse buttons do not trigger such events.


Have a nice day :)

Thomas

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#208683

Hi,

On Wed, 15 May 2019 20:50:47 +0200
"Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> wrote:

(...)
> But why then is this not a widespread problem ?
> Xfce uses GTK like Gnome does. Originall events are a matter of the X
> Window system. But this knowledge is meanwhile subject to bit rot.

I don't know much about these things, I would have guessed that the WM is
somewhere in between X and Tk (or Gtk or any other toolkit). Btw., IceWm
uses Gtk, too. So it apparently has nothing to do with the WM using Gtk.

> 
> So what do you get from programs like xev ?

With xev here using Xfce I get the expected behavior, no bogus Enter or
Leave events when clicking into the window. Does that point to Tk as the
culprit? But then, why doesn't it happen with IceWM or FVWM?

Regards

Michael

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#208684

On Wed, May 15, 2019 at 10:23:25PM +0200, Michael Lange wrote:
> #############################################
> frame .f -bg yellow -width 400 -height 300
> pack .f -fill both -expand 1
> 
> bind .f <Button-1> {puts "Button-1 event"}
> bind .f <Enter> {puts "Enter event"}
> bind .f <Leave> {puts "Leave event"}
> #############################################
> 
> As expected, it's the same as with Tkinter, when the mouse button is
> pressed, Enter and Leave events are triggered [...]

I ran this in straight Tcl/Tk on buster under fvwm and pressing the mouse
button inside the yellow window only generates "Button-1 event", not the
other two.

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#208686

Hi,

On Wed, 15 May 2019 16:27:24 -0400
Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> wrote:

> On Wed, May 15, 2019 at 10:23:25PM +0200, Michael Lange wrote:
> > #############################################
> > frame .f -bg yellow -width 400 -height 300
> > pack .f -fill both -expand 1
> > 
> > bind .f <Button-1> {puts "Button-1 event"}
> > bind .f <Enter> {puts "Enter event"}
> > bind .f <Leave> {puts "Leave event"}
> > #############################################
> > 
> > As expected, it's the same as with Tkinter, when the mouse button is
> > pressed, Enter and Leave events are triggered [...]
> 
> I ran this in straight Tcl/Tk on buster under fvwm and pressing the
> mouse button inside the yellow window only generates "Button-1 event",
> not the other two.
> 

ok, so now I'm at it I installed a few truckloads of KDE, Gnome and mate
packages and with these three the script works as expected, too.
>From the lean and classic department I tried WindowMaker, and again
everything's fine.
>From the lean and not so classic ones I tried awesome, and with this it
is worse: each ButtonPress triggers *two* Enter and Leave events :-)

I don't really know what to make of all this. A feeling in my guts
claims that cannot be Tk's fault, but who knows? I think for now I'll
call it a day and think about a bug report tomorrow.

Thanks again for the feedback, and best regards

Michael

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#208685

Hi,

thanks for the feedback.

[...]

#############################################
frame .f -bg yellow -width 400 -height 300
pack .f -fill both -expand 1

bind .f <Button-1> {puts "Button-1 event"}
bind .f <Enter> {puts "Enter event"}
bind .f <Leave> {puts "Leave event"}
#############################################

As expected, it's the same as with Tkinter, when the mouse button is
pressed, Enter and Leave events are triggered [...]

No Enter or Leave on <Button-1> in my case -- but when entering or
leaving the window (as it is supposed to work). Tcl/Tk from Debian
stable, i.e. 8.6.0+9). No desktop environment, though -- just Fvwm.

Cheers
-- tomás

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#208682 — Re: Strange event handling problem with Xfce/LXDE - which pkg responsible?

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Quoting Michael Lange (2019-05-15 10:53:14)
> it has been observed that when using Tk on Xfce or LXDE for some 
> reason pressing a mouse button inside a Tk window "phony" <Leave> and 
> <Enter> events are being triggered. Since not only one DE is affected, 
> the question arises which package a bug report should be filed 
> against.
> 
> The issue has been discussed in more detail at:
> 
> https://mail.python.org/pipermail/tkinter-discuss/2019-May/004082.html 
> and 
> https://mail.python.org/pipermail/tkinter-discuss/2019-May/004091.html
> 
> Does anyone know if both Xfce and LXDE share some library that might 
> be responsible for that presumably faulty behavior?

Please report the issue as a bug as best as you can - e.g. file it 
against either of those involved packages (or both, comma-separated).

It is easy in Debian's bugtracker to reassign later to another package 
as needed.


 - Jonas

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#208705

Hi,

On Wed, 15 May 2019 21:03:40 +0200
Jonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk> wrote:

(...)
> Please report the issue as a bug as best as you can - e.g. file it 
> against either of those involved packages (or both, comma-separated).
> 
> It is easy in Debian's bugtracker to reassign later to another package 
> as needed.

fyi, I now filed a bug report here:

https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=929090

Regards

Michael

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#208803 — Re: Strange event handling problem with Xfce/LXDE - which pkg responsible?

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Quoting Michael Lange (2019-05-17 00:28:34)
> On Wed, 15 May 2019 21:03:40 +0200 Jonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk> 
> wrote:
> 
> (...)
> > Please report the issue as a bug as best as you can - e.g. file it 
> > against either of those involved packages (or both, comma-separated).
> > 
> > It is easy in Debian's bugtracker to reassign later to another package 
> > as needed.
> 
> fyi, I now filed a bug report here:
> 
> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=929090

Thanks. Much appreciated!

I notice that others contributed here on this list about that issue.

Please consider re-posting such contributions to 929090@bugs.debian.org 
to help keep such information tied to the bugreport.

For future cases: Please consider filing bugreports early and encourage 
posting followups (also) to the bugreport when seeking help here.


 - Jonas

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#208806

Hi,

On Sat, 18 May 2019 18:18:14 +0200
Jonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk> wrote:

(...)
> I notice that others contributed here on this list about that issue.
> 
> Please consider re-posting such contributions to 929090@bugs.debian.org 
> to help keep such information tied to the bugreport.

I think for now I included all relevant information from this thread into
the bugreport.

> 
> For future cases: Please consider filing bugreports early and encourage 
> posting followups (also) to the bugreport when seeking help here.

Sure, I just followed the advice from reportbug which said something like
"if you are unsure which package the bug belongs to, ask on debian-user
for help" :)

Regards

Michael

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nor am I frightened of it.  It simply exists, and I will do whatever
logically needs to be done.
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#208809 — Re: Strange event handling problem with Xfce/LXDE - which pkg responsible?

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Quoting Michael Lange (2019-05-18 19:31:22)
> On Sat, 18 May 2019 18:18:14 +0200
> Jonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk> wrote:
> 
> (...)
> > I notice that others contributed here on this list about that issue.
> > 
> > Please consider re-posting such contributions to 
> > 929090@bugs.debian.org to help keep such information tied to the 
> > bugreport.
> 
> I think for now I included all relevant information from this thread 
> into the bugreport.
> 
> > 
> > For future cases: Please consider filing bugreports early and 
> > encourage posting followups (also) to the bugreport when seeking 
> > help here.
> 
> Sure, I just followed the advice from reportbug which said something 
> like "if you are unsure which package the bug belongs to, ask on 
> debian-user for help" :)

Ahh, then you are the expert here :-)

I am a long time Debian developer but new to hanging out in d-user :-)


 - Jonas

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