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  apache2 missing a file, won't run. Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-05-05 19:00 +0200
    Re: apache2 missing a file, won't run. Ulf Volmer <u.volmer@u-v.de> - 2019-05-05 19:10 +0200
      Re: apache2 missing a file, won't run. Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-05-05 20:20 +0200
        Re: apache2 missing a file, won't run. Kushal Kumaran <kushal@locationd.net> - 2019-05-05 21:20 +0200
          Re: apache2 missing a file, won't run. Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-05-05 23:20 +0200
            Re: apache2 missing a file, won't run. <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2019-05-06 09:20 +0200
              Re: apache2 missing a file, won't run. Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-05-06 16:40 +0200
            Re: apache2 missing a file, won't run. Erik Christiansen <dvalin@internode.on.net> - 2019-05-06 09:20 +0200
              Re: apache2 missing a file, won't run. Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-05-06 16:30 +0200
            Re: apache2 missing a file, won't run. Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2019-05-06 15:50 +0200
              Re: apache2 missing a file, won't run. Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-05-06 17:10 +0200
              Re: apache2 missing a file, won't run. Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2019-05-06 17:30 +0200
                Re: apache2 missing a file, won't run. Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2019-05-06 17:40 +0200
                  Re: apache2 missing a file, won't run. Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-05-06 18:00 +0200
                    Re: apache2 missing a file, won't run. Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-05-06 20:00 +0200
                      Re: apache2 missing a file, won't run. Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-05-06 23:20 +0200
                        Re: apache2 missing a file, won't run. Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-05-07 11:40 +0200
                          Re: apache2 missing a file, won't run. Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-05-07 15:00 +0200
                            Re: apache2 missing a file, won't run. Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-05-07 15:40 +0200
                              Re: apache2 missing a file, won't run. Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2019-05-07 18:40 +0200
                                Re: apache2 missing a file, won't run. Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-05-07 21:00 +0200
                                  Re: apache2 missing a file, won't run. mick crane <mick.crane@gmail.com> - 2019-05-07 21:10 +0200
                                    Re: apache2 missing a file, won't run. Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2019-05-07 21:40 +0200
                                  Re: apache2 missing a file, won't run. Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2019-05-07 21:40 +0200
                                    Re: apache2 missing a file, won't run. Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-05-08 20:20 +0200
                                      Re: apache2 missing a file, won't run. Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2019-05-09 00:00 +0200
                                        Re: apache2 missing a file, won't run. Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-05-09 13:50 +0200
                                  Re: apache2 missing a file, won't run. Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-05-08 01:00 +0200
                  Re: apache2 missing a file, won't run. Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2019-05-06 18:00 +0200
    Re: apache2 missing a file, won't run. Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-05-06 20:20 +0200
      Re: apache2 missing a file, won't run. Ulf Volmer <u.volmer@u-v.de> - 2019-05-06 21:20 +0200
        Re: apache2 missing a file, won't run. Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2019-05-06 22:10 +0200
          Re: apache2 missing a file, won't run. Ulf Volmer <u.volmer@u-v.de> - 2019-05-06 22:30 +0200
          Re: apache2 missing a file, won't run. Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-05-06 23:30 +0200
            Re: apache2 missing a file, won't run. Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2019-05-07 10:50 +0200
        Re: apache2 missing a file, won't run. Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-05-06 23:30 +0200
    Re: apache2 missing a file, won't run. Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-05-06 22:00 +0200

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#208223 — apache2 missing a file, won't run.

Greetings all;

So web page in the sig is dark.

Stretch install, from a custom iso the LCNC folks are testing, but the 
apache2 install was all pulled in with synaptic.  No errors.

As root;

Service apache2 start, gets this from systemctl:

May 05 12:49:20 coyote systemd[1]: Starting The Apache HTTP Server...
May 05 12:49:20 coyote apachectl[20456]: apache2: Syntax error on line 
204 of /etc/apache2/apache2.conf: Syntax error on line 1 
of /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/authz_default.load: Cannot 
load /usr/lib/apache2/modules/mod_authz_default.so
May 05 12:49:20 coyote apachectl[20456]: Action 'start' failed.

And indeed, there is no such module in that directory.  Fix??

Thanks all;

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#208224

On 05.05.19 18:56, Gene Heskett wrote:

> Stretch install, from a custom iso the LCNC folks are testing, but the 
> apache2 install was all pulled in with synaptic.  No errors.
> 
> As root;
> 
> Service apache2 start, gets this from systemctl:
> 
> May 05 12:49:20 coyote systemd[1]: Starting The Apache HTTP Server...
> May 05 12:49:20 coyote apachectl[20456]: apache2: Syntax error on line 
> 204 of /etc/apache2/apache2.conf: Syntax error on line 1 
> of /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/authz_default.load: Cannot 
> load /usr/lib/apache2/modules/mod_authz_default.so
> May 05 12:49:20 coyote apachectl[20456]: Action 'start' failed.

mod_authz_default.so has been removed in apache 2.4:

https://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.4/upgrading.html

I guess you are trying to run a 2.2 config with a 2.4 apache.

Best regards
Ulf

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#208227

On Sunday 05 May 2019 01:06:13 pm Ulf Volmer wrote:

> On 05.05.19 18:56, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > Stretch install, from a custom iso the LCNC folks are testing, but
> > the apache2 install was all pulled in with synaptic.  No errors.
> >
> > As root;
> >
> > Service apache2 start, gets this from systemctl:
> >
> > May 05 12:49:20 coyote systemd[1]: Starting The Apache HTTP
> > Server... May 05 12:49:20 coyote apachectl[20456]: apache2: Syntax
> > error on line 204 of /etc/apache2/apache2.conf: Syntax error on line
> > 1
> > of /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/authz_default.load: Cannot
> > load /usr/lib/apache2/modules/mod_authz_default.so
> > May 05 12:49:20 coyote apachectl[20456]: Action 'start' failed.
>
> mod_authz_default.so has been removed in apache 2.4:
>
> https://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.4/upgrading.html
>
> I guess you are trying to run a 2.2 config with a 2.4 apache.
>
> Best regards
> Ulf

Now I am certifiably upset, this web page needs printed.  This is a new 
install it took me 3 damned days just to get networking working as it 
was stuck on ipv6 only, denying me net access to anything on the otgher 
side of my router, and the nearest ipv6 support is a minimum of 100 
miles away. So I am not in a good mood.

And the only printer it detected was the printer I wanted to use, but it 
spit out about 50 pages of blank paper when I did. so I go back into 
localhost:631 to printers/admin/brother HL-2140 and click on modify to 
see if I can fix it, to be greeted by an advisory that sys I as first 
user, has no permissions to do anything.

Now, since much of this is owned by root:root, and theres no provisions 
to use sud, what do I do except chown the whole subdir to me:me, do what 
I have to do, and change it all back, difficult remember since parts of 
it are owned by root:Lp

So, and I fought with this problem in wheezy too but adding myself to 
some selected entries in /etc/group half fixed it. Meaning whenever it 
asked for a password, I changed the displayed username to me, and used 
my passwd, which worked about 99% of the time.

But this is 2019, and now stretch, so what do I add, or edit into 
to /etc/cupsd.conf, here

# Restrict access to the admin pages...
<Location /admin>
  Order allow,deny
</Location>

To get me, the first user (#1000) not root, to do what I need to do to 
fix this and add about 4 other profiles, 3 for a huge tabloid capable 
brother and of course cups.pdf?

Thanks all.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#208231

Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> writes:

> On Sunday 05 May 2019 01:06:13 pm Ulf Volmer wrote:
>
>> On 05.05.19 18:56, Gene Heskett wrote:
>> > Stretch install, from a custom iso the LCNC folks are testing, but
>> > the apache2 install was all pulled in with synaptic.  No errors.
>> >
>> > As root;
>> >
>> > Service apache2 start, gets this from systemctl:
>> >
>> > May 05 12:49:20 coyote systemd[1]: Starting The Apache HTTP
>> > Server... May 05 12:49:20 coyote apachectl[20456]: apache2: Syntax
>> > error on line 204 of /etc/apache2/apache2.conf: Syntax error on line
>> > 1
>> > of /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/authz_default.load: Cannot
>> > load /usr/lib/apache2/modules/mod_authz_default.so
>> > May 05 12:49:20 coyote apachectl[20456]: Action 'start' failed.
>>
>> mod_authz_default.so has been removed in apache 2.4:
>>
>> https://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.4/upgrading.html
>>
>> I guess you are trying to run a 2.2 config with a 2.4 apache.
>>
>> Best regards
>> Ulf
>
> Now I am certifiably upset, this web page needs printed.  This is a new 
> install it took me 3 damned days just to get networking working as it 
> was stuck on ipv6 only, denying me net access to anything on the otgher 
> side of my router, and the nearest ipv6 support is a minimum of 100 
> miles away. So I am not in a good mood.
>
> And the only printer it detected was the printer I wanted to use, but it 
> spit out about 50 pages of blank paper when I did. so I go back into 
> localhost:631 to printers/admin/brother HL-2140 and click on modify to 
> see if I can fix it, to be greeted by an advisory that sys I as first 
> user, has no permissions to do anything.
>
> Now, since much of this is owned by root:root, and theres no provisions 
> to use sud, what do I do except chown the whole subdir to me:me, do what 
> I have to do, and change it all back, difficult remember since parts of 
> it are owned by root:Lp
>
> So, and I fought with this problem in wheezy too but adding myself to 
> some selected entries in /etc/group half fixed it. Meaning whenever it 
> asked for a password, I changed the displayed username to me, and used 
> my passwd, which worked about 99% of the time.
>
> But this is 2019, and now stretch, so what do I add, or edit into 
> to /etc/cupsd.conf, here
>
> # Restrict access to the admin pages...
> <Location /admin>
>   Order allow,deny
> </Location>
>
> To get me, the first user (#1000) not root, to do what I need to do to 
> fix this and add about 4 other profiles, 3 for a huge tabloid capable 
> brother and of course cups.pdf?
>

This has nothing to do with the apache2 error you mentioned earlier.

To do printer administration using the web interface, add yourself to
the lpadmin group.  When the web interface asks for credentials, put
your own username and password.

https://wiki.debian.org/PrintQueuesCUPS#webinterface

-- 
regards,
kushal

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#208238

On Sunday 05 May 2019 03:12:40 pm Kushal Kumaran wrote:

> Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> writes:
> > On Sunday 05 May 2019 01:06:13 pm Ulf Volmer wrote:
> >> On 05.05.19 18:56, Gene Heskett wrote:
> >> > Stretch install, from a custom iso the LCNC folks are testing,
> >> > but the apache2 install was all pulled in with synaptic.  No
> >> > errors.
> >> >
> >> > As root;
> >> >
> >> > Service apache2 start, gets this from systemctl:
> >> >
> >> > May 05 12:49:20 coyote systemd[1]: Starting The Apache HTTP
> >> > Server... May 05 12:49:20 coyote apachectl[20456]: apache2:
> >> > Syntax error on line 204 of /etc/apache2/apache2.conf: Syntax
> >> > error on line 1
> >> > of /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/authz_default.load: Cannot
> >> > load /usr/lib/apache2/modules/mod_authz_default.so
> >> > May 05 12:49:20 coyote apachectl[20456]: Action 'start' failed.
> >>
> >> mod_authz_default.so has been removed in apache 2.4:
> >>
> >> https://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.4/upgrading.html
> >>
> >> I guess you are trying to run a 2.2 config with a 2.4 apache.
> >>
> >> Best regards
> >> Ulf
> >
> > Now I am certifiably upset, this web page needs printed.  This is a
> > new install it took me 3 damned days just to get networking working
> > as it was stuck on ipv6 only, denying me net access to anything on
> > the otgher side of my router, and the nearest ipv6 support is a
> > minimum of 100 miles away. So I am not in a good mood.
> >
> > And the only printer it detected was the printer I wanted to use,
> > but it spit out about 50 pages of blank paper when I did. so I go
> > back into localhost:631 to printers/admin/brother HL-2140 and click
> > on modify to see if I can fix it, to be greeted by an advisory that
> > sys I as first user, has no permissions to do anything.
> >
> > Now, since much of this is owned by root:root, and theres no
> > provisions to use sud, what do I do except chown the whole subdir to
> > me:me, do what I have to do, and change it all back, difficult
> > remember since parts of it are owned by root:Lp
> >
> > So, and I fought with this problem in wheezy too but adding myself
> > to some selected entries in /etc/group half fixed it. Meaning
> > whenever it asked for a password, I changed the displayed username
> > to me, and used my passwd, which worked about 99% of the time.
> >
> > But this is 2019, and now stretch, so what do I add, or edit into
> > to /etc/cupsd.conf, here
> >
> > # Restrict access to the admin pages...
> > <Location /admin>
> >   Order allow,deny
> > </Location>
> >
> > To get me, the first user (#1000) not root, to do what I need to do
> > to fix this and add about 4 other profiles, 3 for a huge tabloid
> > capable brother and of course cups.pdf?
>
> This has nothing to do with the apache2 error you mentioned earlier.
>
In a roundabout way it does. I blame it on the extremely excessive 
security paranoia that pervades the linux environment and gets worse by 
the next release every time.

> To do printer administration using the web interface, add yourself to
> the lpadmin group.  When the web interface asks for credentials, put
> your own username and password.

FYI I am a member of the lpadmin group. Whats next? reboot to make it 
take effect?  That involves restarting at least 20 other things this 
machine does on a 24/7/365.25 basis.  Not impossible but a bunch of 
drugery nonetheless. IOW since I am "it" till I fail to answer roll 
call, likely in the visible future since I'm already equipt with plastic 
yeys and a pacemaker and am presently 84 yo, lets swat this once and for 
all till then.

You have made it very clear not to assign a pw to root, do everything 
with sudo.  In which case lets make sudo work since its only used about 
20% of the time now. From the cli TBE. But we've been configuring cups 
from localhost:631 for well over 15 years now, no one wants to try and 
remember all the arcane text phrases used with lpadmin to configure 
anything as complex as even a 100 dollar brother b&w laser printer. I 
have all the brother drivers here for both printers, the other is a 
brother MFC-J6920DW, which is found 4 times by lpinfo -l -v. But it has 
both a usb cable and a net cable at its own ip.

> https://wiki.debian.org/PrintQueuesCUPS#webinterface

I have this page visible in FF right now, and its typical for linux docs, 
it makes the assumption that everyone has what I assume is a group of 
env vars so it doesn't waste a crossed t or a dot over a lowercase i to 
explain just who or what @LOCAL or @ADMIN or @SYSTEM or @OWNER actually 
is.

So lets define them so one can have an idea at least of who or what they 
represent.  Once they are properly defined, maybe I can put them to some 
usefull purpose. At the end of the day, I want them to Just Work.  So 
lets start with the denial even though I am a member of the lpadmin 
group.

Thank you.


Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#208255

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On Mon, May 06, 2019 at 05:12:55PM +1000, Erik Christiansen wrote:
> On 05.05.19 17:16, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > You have made it very clear not to assign a pw to root, do everything 
> > with sudo.
> 
> That's just religion, Gene, promulgated to minimise queries and
> complaints from people getting themselves into trouble.

Not sure who's proselytizing here. Remember: all generalizations
suck.

Cheers
-- t

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#208285

On Monday 06 May 2019 03:16:30 am tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:

> On Mon, May 06, 2019 at 05:12:55PM +1000, Erik Christiansen wrote:
> > On 05.05.19 17:16, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > You have made it very clear not to assign a pw to root, do
> > > everything with sudo.
> >
> > That's just religion, Gene, promulgated to minimise queries and
> > complaints from people getting themselves into trouble.
>
> Not sure who's proselytizing here. Remember: all generalizations
> suck.
>
That they often do Tomas

But thats not answering my question as to how to make apache2-2.4 run 
with 2.2 config files all over. Some one posted a link to the diffs I 
need to fix, but I've no clue where I book naked them because I have yet 
to convince the system to run FF when I click on a link.  It insists on 
konquerer. And I have no clue where it stores its bookmarks, I can look 
at them, but those bookmarks I did save are nowhere to be found when I 
look at its bookmarks, sucks is much too mild a term.

> Cheers
> -- t


Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#208256

On 05.05.19 17:16, Gene Heskett wrote:
> You have made it very clear not to assign a pw to root, do everything 
> with sudo.

That's just religion, Gene, promulgated to minimise queries and
complaints from people getting themselves into trouble. Like
vaccination, it only needs 95% coverage to provide herd immunity. To
avoid having to fuss with getting the sudo thing to actually work here,
I still do a "su -" in a spare xterm, and leave the root session open
for a while, till the current problem is sorted.

To remind that more than ordinary user care is warranted in that xterm,
in the event of leaving it open beyond short term memory, I put this in
/root/.bashrc

export PS1="\[\033[1;31m\]\u@\h:\W\$ \[\033[0;0m\]"

to make root's prompt red, and declare itself as root.

It takes more than a generalisation to alter my habits of more than 30
years. My take is: Use what works best for you, especially if you accept
the consequences without complaint. But I figure I'm treading a parallel
path to yours there.

Erik

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#208283

On Monday 06 May 2019 03:12:55 am Erik Christiansen wrote:

> On 05.05.19 17:16, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > You have made it very clear not to assign a pw to root, do
> > everything with sudo.
>
> That's just religion, Gene, promulgated to minimise queries and
> complaints from people getting themselves into trouble. Like
> vaccination, it only needs 95% coverage to provide herd immunity. To
> avoid having to fuss with getting the sudo thing to actually work
> here, I still do a "su -" in a spare xterm, and leave the root session
> open for a while, till the current problem is sorted.
>
> To remind that more than ordinary user care is warranted in that
> xterm, in the event of leaving it open beyond short term memory, I put
> this in /root/.bashrc
>
> export PS1="\[\033[1;31m\]\u@\h:\W\$ \[\033[0;0m\]"
>
Thats a good reminder, so I "borrowed" it.

> to make root's prompt red, and declare itself as root.
>
> It takes more than a generalisation to alter my habits of more than 30
> years. My take is: Use what works best for you, especially if you
> accept the consequences without complaint. But I figure I'm treading a
> parallel path to yours there.
>
> Erik

Probably pretty close, :)

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#208273

On Sun, May 05, 2019 at 05:16:04PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> FYI I am a member of the lpadmin group. Whats next? reboot to make it 
> take effect?

Log out and back in to acquire the new privileges in your interactive
session.

However, in the case of CUPS via loopback HTTP, I don't know whether
that's actually required.  The CUPS daemon may take the privileges
directly from the /etc/{passwd,group} files.

> You have made it very clear not to assign a pw to root, do everything 
> with sudo.

Bunk.  You can still do things normally.  In fact, normal (root having
a password) is still the default in Debian, insofar as anything is.

Also, having a root password makes it possible to login in single user
mode when there's a file system problem.  Good luck with that under an
Ubuntu-style (sudo only) setup.

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#208289

On Monday 06 May 2019 09:43:16 am Greg Wooledge wrote:

> On Sun, May 05, 2019 at 05:16:04PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > FYI I am a member of the lpadmin group. Whats next? reboot to make
> > it take effect?
>
> Log out and back in to acquire the new privileges in your interactive
> session.
>
> However, in the case of CUPS via loopback HTTP, I don't know whether
> that's actually required.  The CUPS daemon may take the privileges
> directly from the /etc/{passwd,group} files.
>
> > You have made it very clear not to assign a pw to root, do
> > everything with sudo.
>
> Bunk.  You can still do things normally.  In fact, normal (root having
> a password) is still the default in Debian, insofar as anything is.
>
I've run 4 wheezy installs here for several years, and have never had a 
root pw set.

> Also, having a root password makes it possible to login in single user
> mode when there's a file system problem.  Good luck with that under an
> Ubuntu-style (sudo only) setup.

A problem I have not had since ext4.  But now I'm getting touchy about it 
because amanda will not build on stretch.  So I've no backups. Using the 
stretch version is a huge backup, to 3.3.9 when my stuff is setup to 
wrap 3.5.1.  And even 3.5.1 can be as buggy as august roadkill that 4 
days old. Amanda I'm sorry to say, has been sold to Betsol, who may have 
to be sued for putting gpl'd code behind a paywall.

I did get the sound working, so now my list of stretch don't works is a 
little shorter. My next step is to edit my .procmailrc and disable the 
calls to clamscan as its occasionally locking up at 100%.

Doing that I logged a strange message in the term screen:
gene@coyote:~$ geany .procmailrc

** (geany:17281): WARNING **: Couldn't register with accessibility bus: 
Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application 
did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, 
the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken.

What the heck is that all about???  And how do I fix that??


Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#208292

On Mon 06 May 2019 at 09:43:16 -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote:

> On Sun, May 05, 2019 at 05:16:04PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > FYI I am a member of the lpadmin group. Whats next? reboot to make it 
> > take effect?
> 
> Log out and back in to acquire the new privileges in your interactive
> session.

Indeed. It's standard procedure when a user has been added to a group.
 
> However, in the case of CUPS via loopback HTTP, I don't know whether
> that's actually required.  The CUPS daemon may take the privileges
> directly from the /etc/{passwd,group} files.

It is required and conspicuously documented for all users, including
experienced ones, if they can be bothered to do read it. For example,
in the cups README.Debian.

  'Administration' is where you need to be to set up a local print queue.
  At some point you will be required to authenticate. A User Name of 'root'
  and root's password is always acceptable. Any other user must be a member
  of the lpadmin group.

-- 
Brian.

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#208293

On Mon, May 06, 2019 at 04:24:45PM +0100, Brian wrote:
> On Mon 06 May 2019 at 09:43:16 -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> > Log out and back in to acquire the new privileges in your interactive
> > session.
> >
> > However, in the case of CUPS via loopback HTTP, I don't know whether
> > that's actually required.  The CUPS daemon may take the privileges
> > directly from the /etc/{passwd,group} files.
> 
> It is required and conspicuously documented for all users, including
> experienced ones, if they can be bothered to do read it. For example,
> in the cups README.Debian.
> 
>   'Administration' is where you need to be to set up a local print queue.
>   At some point you will be required to authenticate. A User Name of 'root'
>   and root's password is always acceptable. Any other user must be a member
>   of the lpadmin group.

I don't see any part of that paragraph that says whether you have to log
out and back in, between adding yourself to the lpadmin group and using
the CUPS web interface.

I've only ever used root for this, so I don't know from experience either.

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#208296

On Monday 06 May 2019 11:33:33 am Greg Wooledge wrote:

> On Mon, May 06, 2019 at 04:24:45PM +0100, Brian wrote:
> > On Mon 06 May 2019 at 09:43:16 -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> > > Log out and back in to acquire the new privileges in your
> > > interactive session.
> > >
> > > However, in the case of CUPS via loopback HTTP, I don't know
> > > whether that's actually required.  The CUPS daemon may take the
> > > privileges directly from the /etc/{passwd,group} files.
> >
> > It is required and conspicuously documented for all users, including
> > experienced ones, if they can be bothered to do read it. For
> > example, in the cups README.Debian.
> >
> >   'Administration' is where you need to be to set up a local print
> > queue. At some point you will be required to authenticate. A User
> > Name of 'root' and root's password is always acceptable. Any other
> > user must be a member of the lpadmin group.
>
> I don't see any part of that paragraph that says whether you have to
> log out and back in, between adding yourself to the lpadmin group and
> using the CUPS web interface.
>
Logged out no, started a new konsole and ran ff from it yes. Managed to 
get the little b&w laser working, but a 2 year old 11x17 MFC? Won't 
configure, missing file although the latest driver kit from brother is 
installed, so I find I have a nearly $700 scanner/copier/printer thats 
been discontinued!  And they've blocked or removed any access to the old 
files.  Thats generated a nastygram to brother, its a 2 year old 
printer.

> I've only ever used root for this, so I don't know from experience
> either.


Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#208305

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Gene Heskett wrote:
> [...]
> Logged out no, started a new konsole and ran ff from it yes. Managed to 
> get the little b&w laser working, but a 2 year old 11x17 MFC? Won't 
> configure, missing file although the latest driver kit from brother is 
> installed, so I find I have a nearly $700 scanner/copier/printer thats 
> been discontinued!  And they've blocked or removed any access to the old 
> files.  Thats generated a nastygram to brother, its a 2 year old 
> printer.

Which printer was that? Don't forget that some of their printers require
multiarch / i386 in order for the pre-processor to run properly.


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#208327

On Monday 06 May 2019 01:46:36 pm Dan Purgert wrote:

> Gene Heskett wrote:
> > [...]
> > Logged out no, started a new konsole and ran ff from it yes. Managed
> > to get the little b&w laser working, but a 2 year old 11x17 MFC?
> > Won't configure, missing file although the latest driver kit from
> > brother is installed, so I find I have a nearly $700
> > scanner/copier/printer thats been discontinued!  And they've blocked
> > or removed any access to the old files.  Thats generated a nastygram
> > to brother, its a 2 year old printer.
>
> Which printer was that? Don't forget that some of their printers
> require multiarch / i386 in order for the pre-processor to run
> properly.

Is that a lib/module I can install to a 
4.9.0-9-rt-amd64 #1 SMP PREEMPT RT Debian 4.9.168-1 
kernel?

Thanks Dan.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#208340

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Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Monday 06 May 2019 01:46:36 pm Dan Purgert wrote:
>
>> Gene Heskett wrote:
>> > [...]
>> > Logged out no, started a new konsole and ran ff from it yes. Managed
>> > to get the little b&w laser working, but a 2 year old 11x17 MFC?
>> > Won't configure, missing file although the latest driver kit from
>> > brother is installed, so I find I have a nearly $700
>> > scanner/copier/printer thats been discontinued!  And they've blocked
>> > or removed any access to the old files.  Thats generated a nastygram
>> > to brother, its a 2 year old printer.
>>
>> Which printer was that? Don't forget that some of their printers
>> require multiarch / i386 in order for the pre-processor to run
>> properly.
>
> Is that a lib/module I can install to a 
> 4.9.0-9-rt-amd64 #1 SMP PREEMPT RT Debian 4.9.168-1 
> kernel?

Multiarch?  It's a dpkg setting so that you can get packages for a
different architecture (e.g. 32-bit "i386" packages on a 64-bit
machine).

You didn't answer which printer it was, though.

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#208354

On Tuesday 07 May 2019 05:28:26 am Dan Purgert wrote:

> Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Monday 06 May 2019 01:46:36 pm Dan Purgert wrote:
> >> Gene Heskett wrote:
> >> > [...]
> >> > Logged out no, started a new konsole and ran ff from it yes.
> >> > Managed to get the little b&w laser working, but a 2 year old
> >> > 11x17 MFC? Won't configure, missing file although the latest
> >> > driver kit from brother is installed, so I find I have a nearly
> >> > $700
> >> > scanner/copier/printer thats been discontinued!  And they've
> >> > blocked or removed any access to the old files.  Thats generated
> >> > a nastygram to brother, its a 2 year old printer.
> >>
> >> Which printer was that? Don't forget that some of their printers
> >> require multiarch / i386 in order for the pre-processor to run
> >> properly.
> >
> > Is that a lib/module I can install to a
> > 4.9.0-9-rt-amd64 #1 SMP PREEMPT RT Debian 4.9.168-1
> > kernel?
>
> Multiarch?  It's a dpkg setting so that you can get packages for a
> different architecture (e.g. 32-bit "i386" packages on a 64-bit
> machine).
>
> You didn't answer which printer it was, though.

Brother MFC-J6920DW, it can handle up to 11x17 paper, handy when 
processing "rockhopper's" output which can if magnified by inkscape far 
enough to be readable, is then posterized and can occupy better than 
half a sheet of 1/4 plywood.  And apparently cups has upped the anti, 
needing a filter they name if you read the fine print in the error_log, 
but which is not part of cups, or the last driver download from brother 
that I pulled a fresh copy of less than a year ago. For 32 bit of 
coarse.

The error log:
/usr/lib/cups/filter/brother_lpdwrapper_mfcj6920dw\" not available: No 
such file or directory

What I have:
Is an installer that came with the last download. I had to chmod +x it to 
run it, and its 95% legal BS as it contains 3 or 4 brother licenses in 
addition to the usual gpl-v2 boiler plate, but I ran it and was amazed, 
successfull, so now I have test prints from 2 profiles, and the test 
page on photo paper looks better than it ever has. And after running it, 
I have that missing file, but it was built, it does not exist in any of 
the debs accompanying that download. So now maybe I have some color 
control, which was previously ignored, giving me very pastel prints. But 
I've about sucked the cyan tank dry, so I'd better get some ink before 
messing with the color further. I haven't tried to setup a profile for 
the rear feed slot taking 11x17 paper yet. I tried to make a feed tray 
to keep the paper straighter, a huge improvement but wasn't 100% 
successfull.

Yay! I don't have an expen$ive paperweight anymore. Woopee! 

Thanks for reading, and I'll keep this in case someone else needs it. Now 
to see if sane can find its scanner and ADF.

Thanks again.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#208356

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Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Tuesday 07 May 2019 05:28:26 am Dan Purgert wrote:
>> Gene Heskett wrote:
>>> [...]
>>> Is that a lib/module I can install to a
>>> 4.9.0-9-rt-amd64 #1 SMP PREEMPT RT Debian 4.9.168-1
>>> kernel?
>>
>> Multiarch?  It's a dpkg setting so that you can get packages for a
>> different architecture (e.g. 32-bit "i386" packages on a 64-bit
>> machine).
>>
>> You didn't answer which printer it was, though.
>
> Brother MFC-J6920DW, it can handle up to 11x17 paper, handy when 

According to the driver install notes [1] (step2), there are some prereq
procedures[2].  Prereq (5) on that page is for Debian / Ubuntu 64-bit
machines.

NOTE -- I just grabbed the LPR *deb package (as I prefer LPR over cups).
You can go through the tool here[3] to select the cupswrapper driver, if
you prefer.

Some features may require that you've connected the printer via USB (I
have a MFC-L8860CDW connected to the network that "loses" a lot of the
"from the PC" functionality due to that).


(Sorry for the wrap)
[1]
https://support.brother.com/g/b/downloadend.aspx?c=us&lang=en&prod=mfcj6920dw_us_eu_as&os=128&dlid=dlf100969_000&flang=4&type3=559
[2]
https://support.brother.com/g/b/faqend.aspx?c=us&lang=en&prod=mfcj6920dw_us_eu_as&faqid=faq00100548_000
[3]
https://support.brother.com/g/b/downloadtop.aspx?c=us&lang=en&prod=mfcj6920dw_us_eu_as

HTH :)

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#208365

On Tue 07 May 2019 at 13:29:39 -0000, Dan Purgert wrote:

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> 
> Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Tuesday 07 May 2019 05:28:26 am Dan Purgert wrote:
> >> Gene Heskett wrote:
> >>> [...]
> >>> Is that a lib/module I can install to a
> >>> 4.9.0-9-rt-amd64 #1 SMP PREEMPT RT Debian 4.9.168-1
> >>> kernel?
> >>
> >> Multiarch?  It's a dpkg setting so that you can get packages for a
> >> different architecture (e.g. 32-bit "i386" packages on a 64-bit
> >> machine).
> >>
> >> You didn't answer which printer it was, though.
> >
> > Brother MFC-J6920DW, it can handle up to 11x17 paper, handy when 
> 
> According to the driver install notes [1] (step2), there are some prereq
> procedures[2].  Prereq (5) on that page is for Debian / Ubuntu 64-bit
> machines.
> 
> NOTE -- I just grabbed the LPR *deb package (as I prefer LPR over cups).
> You can go through the tool here[3] to select the cupswrapper driver, if
> you prefer.

There is enough misinformation in Gene's post without adding more. :)
Both the LPR and the CUPSwrapper printer driver packages are required.
One contains a PPD and the other a driver for conversion to the specific
printer language.

> Some features may require that you've connected the printer via USB (I
> have a MFC-L8860CDW connected to the network that "loses" a lot of the
> "from the PC" functionality due to that).

MFC-L8860CDW? What features are missing from network connected device?

-- 
Brian.
> 
> 
> (Sorry for the wrap)
> [1]
> https://support.brother.com/g/b/downloadend.aspx?c=us&lang=en&prod=mfcj6920dw_us_eu_as&os=128&dlid=dlf100969_000&flang=4&type3=559
> [2]
> https://support.brother.com/g/b/faqend.aspx?c=us&lang=en&prod=mfcj6920dw_us_eu_as&faqid=faq00100548_000
> [3]
> https://support.brother.com/g/b/downloadtop.aspx?c=us&lang=en&prod=mfcj6920dw_us_eu_as
> 
> HTH :)
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