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Re: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender

Started byRick Thomas <rbthomas@pobox.com>
First post2019-05-05 09:10 +0200
Last post2019-05-05 15:20 +0200
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  Re: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender Rick Thomas <rbthomas@pobox.com> - 2019-05-05 09:10 +0200
    Re: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender Frank Scheiner <frank.scheiner@web.de> - 2019-05-05 10:10 +0200
      Re: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender Pierre Frenkiel <pierre.frenkiel@gmail.com> - 2019-05-05 10:40 +0200
      Re: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender Rick Thomas <rbthomas@pobox.com> - 2019-05-05 11:40 +0200
        Re: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender John Paul Adrian Glaubitz <glaubitz@physik.fu-berlin.de> - 2019-05-05 11:40 +0200
          Re: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender John Paul Adrian Glaubitz <glaubitz@physik.fu-berlin.de> - 2019-05-05 12:10 +0200
            Re: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender Frank Scheiner <frank.scheiner@web.de> - 2019-05-05 22:50 +0200
          Re: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender Rick Thomas <rbthomas@pobox.com> - 2019-05-05 12:10 +0200
            Re: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2019-05-05 13:20 +0200
      List attachments (was: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender) Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2019-05-05 12:00 +0200
        Re: List attachments (was: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender) Rick Thomas <rbthomas@pobox.com> - 2019-05-05 12:20 +0200
          Re: List attachments (was: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender) Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-05-05 12:40 +0200
          Re: List attachments (was: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender) Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2019-05-05 12:40 +0200
            Re: List attachments (was: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender) David <bouncingcats@gmail.com> - 2019-05-06 01:30 +0200
              Re: List attachments (was: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender) Rick Thomas <rbthomas@pobox.com> - 2019-05-06 02:50 +0200
              Re: List attachments (was: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender) Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2019-05-06 09:30 +0200
                Re: List attachments (was: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender) David <bouncingcats@gmail.com> - 2019-05-06 10:40 +0200
                  Re: List attachments (was: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender) Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2019-05-06 11:30 +0200
                    Re: List attachments (was: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender) Pierre Frenkiel <pierre.frenkiel@gmail.com> - 2019-05-06 13:10 +0200
                      Re: List attachments (was: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender) Pierre Frenkiel <pierre.frenkiel@gmail.com> - 2019-05-06 13:30 +0200
                        Re: List attachments (was: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender) Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2019-05-06 13:30 +0200
                        Re: List attachments (was: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender) Kenneth Parker <sea7kenp@gmail.com> - 2019-05-06 15:00 +0200
                          Re: List attachments (was: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender) Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2019-05-06 15:20 +0200
                            Re: List attachments (was: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender) Pierre Frenkiel <pierre.frenkiel@gmail.com> - 2019-05-06 17:20 +0200
                              Re: List attachments (was: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender) Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2019-05-06 20:20 +0200
                          Re: List attachments (was: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender) Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2019-05-07 13:30 +0200
              Re: List attachments Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2019-05-06 15:00 +0200
          Re: List attachments Carl Fink <carlf@panix.com> - 2019-05-05 13:30 +0200
            Re: List attachments Rick Thomas <rbthomas@pobox.com> - 2019-05-06 02:50 +0200
    Re: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender Rick Thomas <rbthomas@pobox.com> - 2019-05-05 12:10 +0200
    Re: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2019-05-05 15:20 +0200

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#208264 — Re: List attachments (was: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender)

FromBrad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk>
Date2019-05-06 13:30 +0200
SubjectRe: List attachments (was: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender)
Message-ID<xUJYJ-5EF-7@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#208263

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On Mon, 6 May 2019 13:20:31 +0200 (CEST)
Pierre Frenkiel <pierre.frenkiel@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello Pierre,

>   I was not clear enough. I didn't mean "gratis" or "free as in beer",
> but

I understood that, but thanks for the clarification.

To answer your question:
>  does that mean that there is something else, i.e.  a "free" mail
> provider?

Almost certainly not.  A price (of one sort or another) has to be paid.

-- 
 Regards  _
         / )           "The blindingly obvious is
        / _)rad        never immediately apparent"
Two sides to every story
Public Image - Public Image Ltd

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#208269 — Re: List attachments (was: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender)

FromKenneth Parker <sea7kenp@gmail.com>
Date2019-05-06 15:00 +0200
SubjectRe: List attachments (was: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender)
Message-ID<xULnP-6nJ-7@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#208263

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On Mon, May 6, 2019, 7:20 AM Pierre Frenkiel <pierre.frenkiel@gmail.com>
wrote:

> >>                                      I have no data to support that,
> it's
> >> just my gut feeling based on the number of gmail (and similar) email
> >> addresses that are in use here.
> >
> >  does that mean that there is something else, i.e.  a "free" mail
> provider?
>

I am partial to ProtonMail.

>
>    I was not clear enough. I didn't mean "gratis" or "free as in beer", but
>    non commercial (as opposed to gmail, provided by Google)
>

I don't notice any Advertising on ProtonMail.

>
> best regards,
> --
> Pierre Frenkiel
>

Kenneth Parker

>

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#208271 — Re: List attachments (was: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender)

FromCelejar <celejar@gmail.com>
Date2019-05-06 15:20 +0200
SubjectRe: List attachments (was: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender)
Message-ID<xULHb-6JM-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#208269
On Mon, 6 May 2019 08:53:56 -0400
Kenneth Parker <sea7kenp@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, May 6, 2019, 7:20 AM Pierre Frenkiel <pierre.frenkiel@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
> > >>                                      I have no data to support that,
> > it's
> > >> just my gut feeling based on the number of gmail (and similar) email
> > >> addresses that are in use here.
> > >
> > >  does that mean that there is something else, i.e.  a "free" mail
> > provider?
> >
> 
> I am partial to ProtonMail.
> 
> >
> >    I was not clear enough. I didn't mean "gratis" or "free as in beer", but
> >    non commercial (as opposed to gmail, provided by Google)
> >
> 
> I don't notice any Advertising on ProtonMail.

I once looked into ProtonMail, but IIUC, there's no POP3 / IMAP / SMTP
support in the free tier, and even in the paid tiers, standards-based
email requires running some sort of proprietary application called
"ProtonMail Bridge" on my machine. Correct me if I'm wrong, but if this
is correct, I'll pass.

Celejar

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#208291 — Re: List attachments (was: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender)

FromPierre Frenkiel <pierre.frenkiel@gmail.com>
Date2019-05-06 17:20 +0200
SubjectRe: List attachments (was: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender)
Message-ID<xUNzj-7SG-15@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#208271
On Mon, 6 May 2019, Celejar wrote:

> I once looked into ProtonMail, but IIUC, there's no POP3 / IMAP / SMTP
> support in the free tier, and even in the paid tiers, standards-based
> email requires running some sort of proprietary application called
> "ProtonMail Bridge" on my machine. Correct me if I'm wrong, but if this
> is correct, I'll pass.
>
> Celejar
>

   thank you for this useful information. It will avoid loosing time.
   Have you any idea of something else?

best regards,
-- 
Pierre Frenkiel

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#208312 — Re: List attachments (was: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender)

FromCelejar <celejar@gmail.com>
Date2019-05-06 20:20 +0200
SubjectRe: List attachments (was: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender)
Message-ID<xUQnv-1gF-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#208291
On Mon, 6 May 2019 17:18:31 +0200 (CEST)
Pierre Frenkiel <pierre.frenkiel@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 6 May 2019, Celejar wrote:
> 
> > I once looked into ProtonMail, but IIUC, there's no POP3 / IMAP / SMTP
> > support in the free tier, and even in the paid tiers, standards-based
> > email requires running some sort of proprietary application called
> > "ProtonMail Bridge" on my machine. Correct me if I'm wrong, but if this
> > is correct, I'll pass.
> >
> > Celejar
> >
> 
>    thank you for this useful information. It will avoid loosing time.
>    Have you any idea of something else?

I'm no expert, but I struck out in my search for a free,
standards-based email service beyond the giants. I have a number of GMX
accounts, and while they're not quite Google / Yahoo / Microsoft,
they're still too big, scary and ad-centric for me.

My favorite is a Zoho account that I have, but when I checked recently
into adding further accounts, I think that new free accounts don't get
POP / IMAP / SMTP service (my old account seems to be grandfathered in).

Another option I've been considering is using the free email service
provided by my (web) hosting provider. It's not quite free, since the
hosting costs money, but that's a sunk cost, and it's very little to
begin with. I don't know, however, how good the service is.

Celejar

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#208344 — Re: List attachments (was: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender)

FromBrad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk>
Date2019-05-07 13:30 +0200
SubjectRe: List attachments (was: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender)
Message-ID<xV6sh-2Ve-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#208269

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On Mon, 6 May 2019 08:53:56 -0400
Kenneth Parker <sea7kenp@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello Kenneth,

>I don't notice any Advertising on ProtonMail.

The 'cost' will not necessarily be advertising.  Data-mining all emails
in and out of the account is far more likely and, potentially, more
lucrative (for the miner, obviously).

-- 
 Regards  _
         / )           "The blindingly obvious is
        / _)rad        never immediately apparent"
Just stop and take a second
U & Ur Hand - P!nk

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#208268 — Re: List attachments

FromStefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
Date2019-05-06 15:00 +0200
SubjectRe: List attachments
Message-ID<xULnP-6nJ-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#208241
> No, please don't use pastebin.com

Agreed.

> People here care about software freedom. So please don't
> recommend (here) non-free software providers with their stupid
> logins, cookies, tracking, terms-of-service, javascript requirements
> and who knows or cares what else when we have a free-software
> service written by a Debian developer that does exactly what is
> needed without attempting to monetise its users.

That, too.

> For pastebin purposes within Debian, please use: https://paste.debian.net/

FWIW, I simply dislike all those "put your attachment on the web and
a URL to it": when I later search the web and find a match in
paste.debian.net or pastebin or whatnot the match is kind of worthless
unless I can find the message that references it (which all too often
fails, for some reason).

So I'm left with the knowledge that "someone had the same problem" but
I can't find the corresponding discussion (and possible
explanation/solution).  Frustrating.


        Stefan

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#208201 — Re: List attachments

FromCarl Fink <carlf@panix.com>
Date2019-05-05 13:30 +0200
SubjectRe: List attachments
Message-ID<xUnvb-8hF-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#208193
On 5/5/19 6:13 AM, Rick Thomas wrote:
> I used to have my own webserver, but the machine I was running it on died.
>
> What is “pastebin”?  Is it available to everyone?
>
> Enjoy!
> Rick

Places you can put stuff for others to see, besides Pastebin:

1)Many ISP accounts give some free web space, e.g. Panix

2)A free Google account allows document sharing. So does a free Microsoft
account. Like them or hate them, most of us have one for convenience's sake.

3)You can create a free WordPress account easily. Even if you only blog
every decade or two, you get the ability to upload files and give them URLs.

4)Plenty of others

-- 
Carl Fink                           nitpicking@nitpicking.com

Read my blog at blog.nitpicking.com.  Reviews!  Observations!

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#208244 — Re: List attachments

FromRick Thomas <rbthomas@pobox.com>
Date2019-05-06 02:50 +0200
SubjectRe: List attachments
Message-ID<xUzZn-7Jo-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#208201
Thanks, Carl!  The free WordPress account sounds very interesting.  I’ll check it out.
Rick

> On May 5, 2019, at 4:28 AM, Carl Fink <carlf@panix.com> wrote:
> 
> On 5/5/19 6:13 AM, Rick Thomas wrote:
>> I used to have my own webserver, but the machine I was running it on died.
>> 
>> What is “pastebin”?  Is it available to everyone?
>> 
>> Enjoy!
>> Rick
> 
> Places you can put stuff for others to see, besides Pastebin:
> 
> 1)Many ISP accounts give some free web space, e.g. Panix
> 
> 2)A free Google account allows document sharing. So does a free Microsoft
> account. Like them or hate them, most of us have one for convenience's sake.
> 
> 3)You can create a free WordPress account easily. Even if you only blog
> every decade or two, you get the ability to upload files and give them URLs.
> 
> 4)Plenty of others
> 
> -- 
> Carl Fink                           nitpicking@nitpicking.com
> 
> Read my blog at blog.nitpicking.com.  Reviews!  Observations!
>

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#208190

FromRick Thomas <rbthomas@pobox.com>
Date2019-05-05 12:10 +0200
Message-ID<xUmfL-7CB-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#208177

> On May 5, 2019, at 12:45 AM, Pierre Frenkiel <pierre.frenkiel@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> On Sun, 5 May 2019, Rick Thomas wrote:
> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 4, 2019, at 9:28 PM, Mail Delivery System <MAILER-DAEMON@pb-sasl20.pobox.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> <debian-powerpc@lists.debian.org>: host bendel.debian.org[82.195.75.100] said:
>>>   550 5.7.1 No attachments allowed (in reply to end of DATA command)
>>> Reporting-MTA: dns; pb-sasl20.pobox.com
>> 
>> Hmmm I was trying to attach the syslog file from a failing install.
>> 
>> Whats the approved method for doing that now, since its not allowing attachments?
>> 
>> Rick
>> 
> As a check, I try to attach mine
> 
> best regards,
> -- 
> Pierre Frenkiel<syslog.txt>

That seems to have worked for debian-user.  Mine was a .zip file, and I sent it to debian-powerpc.
Do you think an uncompressed .txt file would have done better?

Rick

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#208206

FromBrian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk>
Date2019-05-05 15:20 +0200
Message-ID<xUpdD-Xc-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#208177
On Sun 05 May 2019 at 00:06:56 -0700, Rick Thomas wrote:

> > On May 4, 2019, at 9:28 PM, Mail Delivery System <MAILER-DAEMON@pb-sasl20.pobox.com> wrote:
> > 
> > <debian-powerpc@lists.debian.org>: host bendel.debian.org[82.195.75.100] said:
> >    550 5.7.1 No attachments allowed (in reply to end of DATA command)
> > Reporting-MTA: dns; pb-sasl20.pobox.com
> 
> Hmmm… I was trying to attach the syslog file from a failing install.
> 
> What’s the approved method for doing that now, since it’s not allowing attachments?

The Debian mailing lists I deal with most (including -user) all accept
attachments, compressed and uncompressed. However, there will be a size
limit. The limit varies from list to list; perhaps it is 0 for -powerpc.
I would mail listmaster@l.d.o and enquire.

Incidentally, using outside agencies to host files like yours is not a
good idea and is not suitable for longterm storage. In the case of a
bug report, the extra step involved in accessing the information might
have a deterrent effect on readers.

-- 
Brian.

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