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| Started by | Erik Josefsson <erik.hjalmar.josefsson@gmail.com> |
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| First post | 2019-05-04 16:40 +0200 |
| Last post | 2019-05-05 05:10 +0200 |
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dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration (Swedish with "|" and "¦"?) Erik Josefsson <erik.hjalmar.josefsson@gmail.com> - 2019-05-04 16:40 +0200
Re: dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration (Swedish with "|" and "¦"?) Kenneth Parker <sea7kenp@gmail.com> - 2019-05-04 18:30 +0200
Re: dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration (Swedish with "|") Jonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk> - 2019-05-04 19:10 +0200
Re: dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration (Swedish with "|") Jonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk> - 2019-05-04 21:50 +0200
Re: dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration (Swedish with "|") Erik Josefsson <erik.hjalmar.josefsson@gmail.com> - 2019-05-05 04:30 +0200
Re: dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration (Swedish with "|") Erik Josefsson <erik.hjalmar.josefsson@gmail.com> - 2019-05-05 12:10 +0200
Re: dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration (Swedish with "|") Jonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk> - 2019-05-05 12:50 +0200
Re: dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration (Swedish with "|") Erik Josefsson <erik.hjalmar.josefsson@gmail.com> - 2019-05-05 13:20 +0200
Re: dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration (Swedish with "|") Erik Josefsson <erik.hjalmar.josefsson@gmail.com> - 2019-05-05 03:50 +0200
Re: dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration (Swedish with "|") Jonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk> - 2019-05-05 09:30 +0200
Re: dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration (Swedish with "|") Erik Josefsson <erik.hjalmar.josefsson@gmail.com> - 2019-05-22 06:10 +0200
Re: dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration (Swedish with "|") David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2019-05-22 14:50 +0200
Re: dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration (Swedish with "|") Jonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk> - 2019-05-22 15:20 +0200
Re: dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration (Swedish with "|") David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2019-05-22 17:10 +0200
Re: dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration (Swedish with "|") Erik Josefsson <erik.hjalmar.josefsson@gmail.com> - 2019-05-22 19:50 +0200
Re: dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration (Swedish with "|" and "¦"?) David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2019-05-04 20:20 +0200
Re: dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration (Swedish with "|") Jonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk> - 2019-05-04 21:20 +0200
Re: dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration (Swedish with "|") David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2019-05-05 16:30 +0200
Re: dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration (Swedish with "|") Jonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk> - 2019-05-05 17:00 +0200
Re: dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration (Swedish with "|") Erik Josefsson <erik.hjalmar.josefsson@gmail.com> - 2019-05-05 21:00 +0200
Re: dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration (Swedish with "|") David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2019-05-06 22:50 +0200
Re: dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration (Swedish with "|") Erik Josefsson <erik.hjalmar.josefsson@gmail.com> - 2019-05-10 15:50 +0200
Re: dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration (Swedish with "|") David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2019-05-10 18:30 +0200
Re: dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration (Swedish with "|") Erik Josefsson <erik.hjalmar.josefsson@gmail.com> - 2019-05-11 01:00 +0200
Re: dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration (Swedish with "|") Jonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk> - 2019-05-11 01:30 +0200
Re: dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration (Swedish with "|") Erik Josefsson <erik.hjalmar.josefsson@gmail.com> - 2019-05-11 10:20 +0200
Re: dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration (Swedish with "|" and "¦"?) Erik Josefsson <erik.hjalmar.josefsson@gmail.com> - 2019-05-05 03:00 +0200
Re: dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration (Swedish with "|" and "¦"?) Doug <dmcgarrett@optonline.net> - 2019-05-05 04:40 +0200
Re: dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration (Swedish with "|" and "¦"?) Erik Josefsson <erik.hjalmar.josefsson@gmail.com> - 2019-05-05 05:10 +0200
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| From | Erik Josefsson <erik.hjalmar.josefsson@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2019-05-04 16:40 +0200 |
| Subject | dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration (Swedish with "|" and "¦"?) |
| Message-ID | <xU3Zv-4V9-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
I've now repeated the same sequence of commands a couple of times to
make [SD-cards for the Teres laptop] and finally it looks like I get the
same results every time :-)
*** make new Teres SD-card with new Teres laptop
mkdir /home/debian/teres
cd /home/debian/teres
wget http://box.redpill.dk/nonfree/nonfree-teres1-buster-1.0b22.img.gz
gunzip nonfree-teres1-buster-1.0b22.img.gz
lsblk --paths
lsblk --paths
umount /dev/sda
sudo cp nonfree-teres1-buster-1.0b22.img /dev/sda
*** move new Teres SD-card to new Teres laptop
sudo box-fill-disk
sudo apt update
sudo box-add-gui
sudo apt install etckeeper
sudo apt install man
sudo dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration
-> Generic 105-key PC (intl.)
-> Other
-> Swedish
-> Swedish
-> The default for the keyboard layout
-> No compose key
-> Use Control+Alt+Backspace to terminate the X server? <No>
sudo shutdown -h now
And it works! Now I am just missing "|" and "¦".
I have tried "Generic 105-key PC (intl.)" and "Generic 102-key PC
(intl.)" in the menue following the command 'dpkg-reconfigure
keyboard-configuration' (see above), but there is no difference between
105 and 102 wrt what the Teres keyboard produce on screen (see below).
I have also tried with an USB keyboard which has one extra key between
<left shift> and <z>. That extra key delivers "|") and "¦" with both
"Generic 105-key PC (intl.)" and "Generic 102-key PC (intl.)" (and Swedish).
I can of course use the USB keyboard with my laptop, but it would be
more convenient if I could get the Teres keyboard to do "|" and "¦".
So, does anyone know how to make the Teres keyboard not only output
Swedish letters, but also "|" and "¦"?
Maybe there is a "keyboard model" I can choose that is a better fit than
"Generic 105-key PC (intl.)" and"Generic 102-key PC (intl.)"?
Thank you for your time.
//Erik
[SD-cards for the Teres laptop] https://box.redpill.dk/nonfree/
Generic 105-key PC (intl.)
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| From | Kenneth Parker <sea7kenp@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2019-05-04 18:30 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <xU5HY-5YI-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #208115 |
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On Sat, May 4, 2019 at 10:37 AM Erik Josefsson wrote:
<snip>
> -> Generic 105-key PC (intl.)
> -> Other
> -> Swedish
> -> Swedish
> -> The default for the keyboard layout
> -> No compose key
> -> Use Control+Alt+Backspace to terminate the X server? <No>
> sudo shutdown -h now
>
> And it works! Now I am just missing "|" and "¦".
>
With US Keyboards, I see either of those characters, right of the "p" key.
I was not aware that there were two, distinct characters.
One of them ("|" on my current keyboard) is used as a "Pipe" symbol, for
when I "pipe" the results of one command into another.
Which?
>
> I have tried "Generic 105-key PC (intl.)" and "Generic 102-key PC
> (intl.)" in the menue following the command 'dpkg-reconfigure
> keyboard-configuration' (see above), but there is no difference between
> 105 and 102 wrt what the Teres keyboard produce on screen (see below).
>
> I have also tried with an USB keyboard which has one extra key between
> <left shift> and <z>. That extra key delivers "|") and "¦" with both
> "Generic 105-key PC (intl.)" and "Generic 102-key PC (intl.)" (and
> Swedish).
>
> I can of course use the USB keyboard with my laptop, but it would be
> more convenient if I could get the Teres keyboard to do "|" and "¦".
>
> So, does anyone know how to make the Teres keyboard not only output
> Swedish letters, but also "|" and "¦"?
>
> Maybe there is a "keyboard model" I can choose that is a better fit than
> "Generic 105-key PC (intl.)" and"Generic 102-key PC (intl.)"?
>
Thanks!
Kenneth Parker
>
> Thank you for your time.
>
> //Erik
>
> <snip>
>
>
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| From | Jonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2019-05-04 19:10 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration (Swedish with "|") |
| Message-ID | <xU6kF-6rp-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #208123 |
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Quoting Kenneth Parker (2019-05-04 18:23:48)
> On Sat, May 4, 2019 at 10:37 AM Erik Josefsson wrote:
> <snip>
>
> > -> Generic 105-key PC (intl.)
> > -> Other
> > -> Swedish
> > -> Swedish
> > -> The default for the keyboard layout
> > -> No compose key
> > -> Use Control+Alt+Backspace to terminate the X server? <No>
> > sudo shutdown -h now
> >
> > And it works! Now I am just missing "|" and "¦".
Nothing specific to Teres-I laptop about that.
Problem is that you want a pipe key "|" reachable on a 102-key keyboard
with a swedish layout.
Swedish layout is this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QWERTY#Swedish
Notice how "<" and ">" (on a 105-key US layout is right of "M", shifted)
is left of "Z" on a key which is missing on 102-char keyboards.
> With US Keyboards, I see either of those characters, right of the "p" key.
> I was not aware that there were two, distinct characters.
>
> One of them ("|" on my current keyboard) is used as a "Pipe" symbol, for
> when I "pipe" the results of one command into another.
>
> Which?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vertical_bar#Solid_vertical_bar_vs_broken_bar
- Jonas
--
* Jonas Smedegaard - idealist & Internet-arkitekt
* Tlf.: +45 40843136 Website: http://dr.jones.dk/
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| From | Jonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2019-05-04 21:50 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration (Swedish with "|") |
| Message-ID | <xU8Pv-7Nj-7@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #208130 |
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Quoting Jonas Smedegaard (2019-05-04 19:08:19) > Quoting Kenneth Parker (2019-05-04 18:23:48) > > On Sat, May 4, 2019 at 10:37 AM Erik Josefsson wrote: > > <snip> > > > > > -> Generic 105-key PC (intl.) > > > -> Other > > > -> Swedish > > > -> Swedish > > > -> The default for the keyboard layout > > > -> No compose key > > > -> Use Control+Alt+Backspace to terminate the X server? <No> > > > sudo shutdown -h now > > > > > > And it works! Now I am just missing "|" and "¦". > > Nothing specific to Teres-I laptop about that. > > Problem is that you want a pipe key "|" reachable on a 102-key keyboard > with a swedish layout. > > Swedish layout is this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QWERTY#Swedish > > Notice how "<" and ">" (on a 105-key US layout is right of "M", shifted) > is left of "Z" on a key which is missing on 102-char keyboards. For danish, picking the layout "Danish (Win keys) has pipe key reachable as AltGr+= (where AltGr is the right Alt key). I also set "Menu" (which is the key between right Alt and right Ctrl) as compose key. That enables a range of additional key combos (but pipe unreachable as it requires ^ directly reachable which in danish layout in Shift'ed). - Jonas -- * Jonas Smedegaard - idealist & Internet-arkitekt * Tlf.: +45 40843136 Website: http://dr.jones.dk/ [x] quote me freely [ ] ask before reusing [ ] keep private
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| From | Erik Josefsson <erik.hjalmar.josefsson@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2019-05-05 04:30 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration (Swedish with "|") |
| Message-ID | <xUf4B-3fF-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #208151 |
Den 2019-05-04 kl. 21:43, skrev Jonas Smedegaard: > For danish, picking the layout "Danish (Win keys) has pipe key reachable > as AltGr+= (where AltGr is the right Alt key). > > I also set "Menu" (which is the key between right Alt and right Ctrl) as > compose key. So if you were to make a Danish Teres laptop, you'd make the following choices in dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration? Keyboard model: Generic 102-key PC (intl.) Keyboard layout: Danish - (Win keys) Key to function as AltGr: The default for the keyboard layout Compose key: Menu key Use Control+Alt+Backspace to terminate the X server? <No> Those won't work for me, but there are a couple of Finnish options I will try. Thanks for taking time. //Erik
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| From | Erik Josefsson <erik.hjalmar.josefsson@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2019-05-05 12:10 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration (Swedish with "|") |
| Message-ID | <xUmfL-7CB-7@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #208171 |
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Den 2019-05-05 kl. 04:29, skrev Erik Josefsson:
> Den 2019-05-04 kl. 21:43, skrev Jonas Smedegaard:
>> For danish, picking the layout "Danish (Win keys) has pipe key reachable
>> as AltGr+= (where AltGr is the right Alt key).
>>
>> I also set "Menu" (which is the key between right Alt and right Ctrl) as
>> compose key.
>
> So if you were to make a Danish Teres laptop, you'd make the following
> choices in dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration?
>
> Keyboard model: Generic 102-key PC (intl.)
> Keyboard layout: Danish - (Win keys)
> Key to function as AltGr: The default for the keyboard layout
> Compose key: Menu key
> Use Control+Alt+Backspace to
> terminate the X server? <No>
>
> Those won't work for me, but there are a couple of Finnish options I
> will try.
Found that keyboard model "Generic 102-key PC (intl.)" and keyboard
layout "Finnish - Finnish (Winkeys)" works for me (the rest as above).
At last! :-)
With some stickers to put onto the printed keys I'll be fine. Grateful
for pointers to such.
Sorry for the noise.
//Erik
Configuring keyboard-configuration
Please select the model of the keyboard of this machine.
-Keyboard model: Generic 102-key PC (intl.)
Please select the layout matching the keyboard for this machine.
-Keyboard layout: Danish - Danish (Win keys) [and below "Finnish -
Finnish (Winkeys)"]
With some keyboard layouts, AltGr is a modifier key used to input some
characters, primarily ones that are unusual for the language of the
keyboard layout, such as foreign currency symbols and accented letters.
These are often printed as an extra symbol on keys.
-Key to function as AltGr: The default for the keyboard layout
The Compose key (known also as Multi_key) causes the computer to
interpret the next few keystrokes as a combination in order to produce a
character not found on the keyboard. On the text console the Compose key
does not work in Unicode mode. If not in Unicode mode, regardless of
what you choose here, you can always also use the Control+period
combination as a Compose key.
-Compose key: Menu key
By default the combination Control+Alt+Backspace does nothing. If you
want it can be used to terminate the X server.
-Use Control+Alt+Backspace to terminate the X server? <No>
Danish - Danish (Win keys)
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| From | Jonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2019-05-05 12:50 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration (Swedish with "|") |
| Message-ID | <xUmSt-7P4-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #208192 |
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Quoting Erik Josefsson (2019-05-05 12:06:53) > With some stickers to put onto the printed keys I'll be fine. Grateful > for pointers to such. Did you try search the web e.g. for "keyboard stickers"? - Jonas -- * Jonas Smedegaard - idealist & Internet-arkitekt * Tlf.: +45 40843136 Website: http://dr.jones.dk/ [x] quote me freely [ ] ask before reusing [ ] keep private
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| From | Erik Josefsson <erik.hjalmar.josefsson@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2019-05-05 13:20 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration (Swedish with "|") |
| Message-ID | <xUnlv-8er-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #208196 |
Den 2019-05-05 kl. 12:47, skrev Jonas Smedegaard: > Quoting Erik Josefsson (2019-05-05 12:06:53) >> With some stickers to put onto the printed keys I'll be fine. Grateful >> for pointers to such. > Did you try search the web e.g. for "keyboard stickers"? I did! And "swerty" came up! http://johanegustafsson.net/projects/swerty/ He says "Swerty for Linux" has been tested on Ubuntu 9.04, 9.10, 10.04, and 12.04. I guess this means I could file a whishlist bug for both "TERES-I keyboard" as 'Keyboard model' and and "Swerty" as 'Keyboard layout' as choices presented by dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration :-) Best regards. //Erik
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| From | Erik Josefsson <erik.hjalmar.josefsson@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2019-05-05 03:50 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration (Swedish with "|") |
| Message-ID | <xUerT-2HE-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #208130 |
Den 2019-05-04 kl. 19:08, skrev Jonas Smedegaard: > Quoting Kenneth Parker (2019-05-04 18:23:48) >> On Sat, May 4, 2019 at 10:37 AM Erik Josefsson wrote: >> <snip> >> >>> -> Generic 105-key PC (intl.) >>> -> Other >>> -> Swedish >>> -> Swedish >>> -> The default for the keyboard layout >>> -> No compose key >>> -> Use Control+Alt+Backspace to terminate the X server? <No> >>> sudo shutdown -h now >>> >>> And it works! Now I am just missing "|" and "¦". > Nothing specific to Teres-I laptop about that. How do you know? There are no signs on the box telling me that the Teres laptop keyboard is one or the other of the [keyboards listed] by dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration and the link to the hardware source don't say either: https://github.com/OLIMEX/DIY-LAPTOP/tree/master/HARDWARE/A64-TERES/TERES-PCB5-KEYBOARD > Problem is that you want a pipe key "|" reachable Yes, that is the problem! > on a 102-key keyboard The Teres laptop keyboard has 80 physical keys. Why do you call it a "102-key keyboard"? > with a swedish layout. > > Swedish layout is this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QWERTY#Swedish > > Notice how "<" and ">" (on a 105-key US layout is right of "M", shifted) > is left of "Z" on a key which is missing on 102-char keyboards. Myscandinavian USB keyboard has 105 physical keys, but since the Teres laptop keyboard has 80 physical keys I cannot really notice "a key which is missing on 102-char keyboards". Please note that both myUSB keyboard and the Teres keyboard delivers identical output with the two dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration options I have tried "Generic 105-key PC (intl.)" and "Generic 102-key PC (intl.)". Thanks for feedback! //Erik [keyboards listed] A4Tech KB-21 A4Tech KBS-8 A4Tech Wireless Desktop RFKB-23 — безжична Acer AirKey V Acer C300 Acer Ferrari 4000 Acer portàtil Advance Scorpius KI Amiga Apple Apple Apple Aluminium (ANSI) Apple Aluminium (ISO) Apple Aluminium (JIS) Apple portàtil Asus portàtil Atari TT Azona RF2300 wireless Internet BenQ X-Touch BenQ X-Touch 730 [and more...]
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| From | Jonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk> |
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| Date | 2019-05-05 09:30 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration (Swedish with "|") |
| Message-ID | <xUjKV-62T-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #208170 |
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Quoting Erik Josefsson (2019-05-05 03:48:22) > Den 2019-05-04 kl. 19:08, skrev Jonas Smedegaard: > > Quoting Kenneth Parker (2019-05-04 18:23:48) > >> On Sat, May 4, 2019 at 10:37 AM Erik Josefsson wrote: > >> <snip> > >> > >>> -> Generic 105-key PC (intl.) > >>> -> Other > >>> -> Swedish > >>> -> Swedish > >>> -> The default for the keyboard layout > >>> -> No compose key > >>> -> Use Control+Alt+Backspace to terminate the X server? <No> > >>> sudo shutdown -h now > >>> > >>> And it works! Now I am just missing "|" and "¦". > > Nothing specific to Teres-I laptop about that. > > How do you know? Fine. I don't know if there is a screw loose in your laptop, or warewolves pissed on a USB plugs. Or all those swedish solar flares... Perhaps you'd better ask a mechanic, a veterinary, and an astronomer for help, instead of this mailinglist! > Please note that both myUSB keyboard and the Teres keyboard delivers > identical output with the two dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration > options I have tried "Generic 105-key PC (intl.)" and "Generic 102-key > PC (intl.)". If that option works great then don't change that option. - Jonas -- * Jonas Smedegaard - idealist & Internet-arkitekt * Tlf.: +45 40843136 Website: http://dr.jones.dk/ [x] quote me freely [ ] ask before reusing [ ] keep private
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| From | Erik Josefsson <erik.hjalmar.josefsson@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2019-05-22 06:10 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration (Swedish with "|") |
| Message-ID | <y0qJH-6Ol-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #208178 |
On 5/5/19 7:21 AM, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > I don't know if there is a screw loose in your laptop, or > warewolves pissed on a USB plugs. Well, what comes out of one of the keyboards now is ppppppppppppppppp. Could be warewolf p's, or baby drool. It's magic either way. //Erik
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| From | David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2019-05-22 14:50 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration (Swedish with "|") |
| Message-ID | <y0yQV-3gO-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #208985 |
On Wed 22 May 2019 at 04:06:46 (+0000), Erik Josefsson wrote: > On 5/5/19 7:21 AM, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > > I don't know if there is a screw loose in your laptop, or > > warewolves pissed on a USB plugs. > > Well, what comes out of one of the keyboards now is ppppppppppppppppp. In response to your pressing keys, or spontaneously? Rapidly or intermittently? Is this permanent (whenever you switch on) or just occasional? Or did it start mid-session? After dpkg-reconfigure console-setup or keyboard-configuration? Cheers, David.
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| From | Jonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk> |
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| Date | 2019-05-22 15:20 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration (Swedish with "|") |
| Message-ID | <y0zjX-3Ge-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #209001 |
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Quoting David Wright (2019-05-22 14:40:28) > On Wed 22 May 2019 at 04:06:46 (+0000), Erik Josefsson wrote: > > On 5/5/19 7:21 AM, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > > > I don't know if there is a screw loose in your laptop, or > > > warewolves pissed on a USB plugs. > > > > Well, what comes out of one of the keyboards now is ppppppppppppppppp. > > In response to your pressing keys, or spontaneously? > Rapidly or intermittently? > Is this permanent (whenever you switch on) or just occasional? > Or did it start mid-session? > After dpkg-reconfigure console-setup or keyboard-configuration? ....or the really scary one: Does it happen only when the moon is full? - Jonas -- * Jonas Smedegaard - idealist & Internet-arkitekt * Tlf.: +45 40843136 Website: http://dr.jones.dk/ [x] quote me freely [ ] ask before reusing [ ] keep private
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| From | David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2019-05-22 17:10 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration (Swedish with "|") |
| Message-ID | <y0B2q-4Qu-11@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #209002 |
On Wed 22 May 2019 at 15:18:36 (+0200), Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > Quoting David Wright (2019-05-22 14:40:28) > > On Wed 22 May 2019 at 04:06:46 (+0000), Erik Josefsson wrote: > > > On 5/5/19 7:21 AM, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > > > > I don't know if there is a screw loose in your laptop, or > > > > warewolves pissed on a USB plugs. > > > > > > Well, what comes out of one of the keyboards now is ppppppppppppppppp. > > > > In response to your pressing keys, or spontaneously? > > Rapidly or intermittently? > > Is this permanent (whenever you switch on) or just occasional? > > Or did it start mid-session? > > After dpkg-reconfigure console-setup or keyboard-configuration? > > ....or the really scary one: Does it happen only when the moon is full? :) But I have a problem with this laptop where these questions would be answered thus: Spontaneously. Intermittently. Occasional. Not mid-session. Not after dpkg-reconfigure. (And the characters typed are NULs.) "What comes out of one of the keyboards now is ^@^@^@^@^@^@" wouldn't help much in diagnosing my problem. Cheers, David.
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| From | Erik Josefsson <erik.hjalmar.josefsson@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2019-05-22 19:50 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration (Swedish with "|") |
| Message-ID | <y0Dxf-6dV-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #209001 |
On 5/22/19 12:40 PM, David Wright wrote: > On Wed 22 May 2019 at 04:06:46 (+0000), Erik Josefsson wrote: >> On 5/5/19 7:21 AM, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: >>> I don't know if there is a screw loose in your laptop, or >>> warewolves pissed on a USB plugs. >> Well, what comes out of one of the keyboards now is ppppppppppppppppp. > In response to your pressing keys, or spontaneously? > Rapidly or intermittently? I found the laptop "p"-ing when coming back after wiping, among other things, baby drool in another room. My daughter is 19 months. More specifically, I came back to a growing line of p's in an open text document in Mousepad (the xfce editor). I did not press any key, nor was the p's coming rapidly or intermittently. I just closed Mousepad. > Is this permanent (whenever you switch on) or just occasional? It continued in Thunderbird, but less aggressive, kind of like at the end of the walk with the dog (if the allegory still holds for another joke). > Or did it start mid-session? I think more like mid session, but not sure. I have now put that laptop on the shelf. If something similar happens with this laptop, we can rule out baby drool. I'm keeping it safe from now on. But it also means I will have to stop testing things and instead find for another mode of working with Debian. > After dpkg-reconfigure console-setup or keyboard-configuration? Probably unrelated. But you never know (full moons etc). Best regards. //Erik
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| From | David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2019-05-04 20:20 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <xU7qp-74j-7@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #208123 |
On Sat 04 May 2019 at 12:23:48 (-0400), Kenneth Parker wrote:
> On Sat, May 4, 2019 at 10:37 AM Erik Josefsson wrote:
> <snip>
> > And it works! Now I am just missing "|" and "¦".
>
> With US Keyboards, I see either of those characters, right of the "p" key.
> I was not aware that there were two, distinct characters.
>
> One of them ("|" on my current keyboard) is used as a "Pipe" symbol, for
> when I "pipe" the results of one command into another.
>
> Which?
Pipe lies between { and } and is 7-bit ASCII, whereas the other one
lies between Yen and Section. I'm not sure why the OP wants to be able
to type it directly from one keystroke. Look at the company it keeps:
¡ ¢ £ ¤ ¥ ¦ § ¨ © ª « ¬ ® ¯ ° ± ² ³ ´ µ ¶ · ¸ ¹ º » ¼ ½ ¾ ¿ À
We British are used to having £ available, but US keyboards don't
even have ¢.
Cheers,
David.
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| From | Jonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk> |
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| Date | 2019-05-04 21:20 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration (Swedish with "|") |
| Message-ID | <xU8mt-7DH-7@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #208137 |
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Quoting David Wright (2019-05-04 20:14:12)
> On Sat 04 May 2019 at 12:23:48 (-0400), Kenneth Parker wrote:
> > On Sat, May 4, 2019 at 10:37 AM Erik Josefsson wrote:
> > <snip>
> > > And it works! Now I am just missing "|" and "¦".
> >
> > With US Keyboards, I see either of those characters, right of the
> > "p" key.
> > I was not aware that there were two, distinct characters.
> >
> > One of them ("|" on my current keyboard) is used as a "Pipe" symbol,
> > for when I "pipe" the results of one command into another.
> >
> > Which?
>
> Pipe lies between { and } and is 7-bit ASCII, whereas the other one
> lies between Yen and Section. I'm not sure why the OP wants to be able
> to type it directly from one keystroke. Look at the company it keeps:
> ¡ ¢ £ ¤ ¥ ¦ § ¨ © ª « ¬ ® ¯ ° ± ² ³ ´ µ ¶ · ¸ ¹ º » ¼ ½ ¾ ¿ À
> We British are used to having £ available, but US keyboards don't
> even have ¢.
¢ (ecu) is obsolete since many years.
€ (euro) is the current currency sign in some of EU.
As for the original question I simply ignore the odd parts and focus on
what I can sensibly contribute to: The pipe sign a.k.a. Unicode
"vertical bar": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vertical_bar
- Jonas
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| From | David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2019-05-05 16:30 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration (Swedish with "|") |
| Message-ID | <xUqjo-1At-9@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #208143 |
On Sat 04 May 2019 at 21:16:25 (+0200), Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> Quoting David Wright (2019-05-04 20:14:12)
> > On Sat 04 May 2019 at 12:23:48 (-0400), Kenneth Parker wrote:
> > > On Sat, May 4, 2019 at 10:37 AM Erik Josefsson wrote:
> > > <snip>
> > > > And it works! Now I am just missing "|" and "¦".
> > >
> > > With US Keyboards, I see either of those characters, right of the
> > > "p" key.
> > > I was not aware that there were two, distinct characters.
> > >
> > > One of them ("|" on my current keyboard) is used as a "Pipe" symbol,
> > > for when I "pipe" the results of one command into another.
> > >
> > > Which?
> >
> > Pipe lies between { and } and is 7-bit ASCII, whereas the other one
> > lies between Yen and Section. I'm not sure why the OP wants to be able
> > to type it directly from one keystroke. Look at the company it keeps:
> > ¡ ¢ £ ¤ ¥ ¦ § ¨ © ª « ¬ ® ¯ ° ± ² ³ ´ µ ¶ · ¸ ¹ º » ¼ ½ ¾ ¿ À
> > We British are used to having £ available, but US keyboards don't
> > even have ¢.
>
> ¢ (ecu) is obsolete since many years.
Er. Americans still have cents (¢).
The ECU (₠) was never a real currency anyway. I never saw its symbol
being used in the wild. Its position is way down the Unicode table,
in the company of ₡ ₢ ₣ ₤ ₥ ₦ ₧ ₨ ₩ ₪ ₫ € ₭ ₮ ₯ ₰ ₱, currency signs
that I would have difficulty naming from their symbols, apart from—
> € (euro) is the current currency sign in some of EU.
>
> As for the original question I simply ignore the odd parts and focus on
> what I can sensibly contribute to: The pipe sign a.k.a. Unicode
> "vertical bar": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vertical_bar
Is this some sort of ticking off for wondering why the OP is *so*
keen to be able to type ¦ directly on the keyboard that they are
almost willing to use a USB keyboard with a laptop to get it?
Particularly as the wiki page referred to above has a reference to
http://jkorpela.fi/latin1/3.html#A6
which states "It is advisable to avoid using this character, since its
code position is occupied by another character in ISO Latin 9 (alias
ISO 8859-15), which will probably widely replace ISO Latin 1 at least
in European usage."
Now, using Unicode might avoid this danger, but it's still odd to
want this character so much when it appears to be as much of a relic
as the aforementioned ECU is. And, after all, the answer is that
they didn't.
Cheers,
David.
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| From | Jonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk> |
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| Date | 2019-05-05 17:00 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration (Swedish with "|") |
| Message-ID | <xUqMq-1KM-7@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #208208 |
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Quoting David Wright (2019-05-05 16:26:26) > On Sat 04 May 2019 at 21:16:25 (+0200), Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > > Quoting David Wright (2019-05-04 20:14:12) > > > We British are used to having £ available, but US keyboards don't > > > even have ¢. > > > > ¢ (ecu) is obsolete since many years. > > Er. Americans still have cents (¢). > > The ECU (₠) was never a real currency anyway. Whoops - I guess that reveals how rarely (i.e. never) I use cent sign :-) Thanks for the correction! - Jonas -- * Jonas Smedegaard - idealist & Internet-arkitekt * Tlf.: +45 40843136 Website: http://dr.jones.dk/ [x] quote me freely [ ] ask before reusing [ ] keep private
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| From | Erik Josefsson <erik.hjalmar.josefsson@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2019-05-05 21:00 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration (Swedish with "|") |
| Message-ID | <xUuwG-4cS-23@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #208208 |
Den 2019-05-05 kl. 16:26, skrev David Wright: > Is this some sort of ticking off for wondering why the OP is*so* > keen to be able to type ¦ directly on the keyboard that they are > almost willing to use a USB keyboard with a laptop to get it? > Particularly as the wiki page referred to above has a reference to > http://jkorpela.fi/latin1/3.html#A6 > which states "It is advisable to avoid using this character, since its > code position is occupied by another character in ISO Latin 9 (alias > ISO 8859-15), which will probably widely replace ISO Latin 1 at least > in European usage." > > Now, using Unicode might avoid this danger, but it's still odd to > want this character so much when it appears to be as much of a relic > as the aforementioned ECU is. And, after all, the answer is that > they didn't. For what it's worth, I had the foggy idea that I had to figure out how to make the Teres keyboard reproduce the output from the Scandinavian USB keyboard. What else would be "right"? When the 105 and 102 options then gave the same result, it got completely lost. And I'm still kind of lost since I don't really understand what a "Keyboard model" is. So already at the first menu choice of dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration I don't really know what I'm doing there. In the dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration menu there are [193 different keyboard models] to choose from. But two of them are the same, at least from the point of view of a Teres laptop. 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